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  24. # [00:34] <paul_irish> is there like a jquery plugin for vertical parallax with scrolling?
  25. # [00:34] <paul_irish> lugtfm
  26. # [00:35] <nimbu> ?g vertical parallax jquery plugin
  27. # [00:35] <bot-t> nimbu, jQuery and CSS single page portfolio, a vertical parallax ... - http://www.tutorialshock.com/tutorials/single-page-portfolio-vertical-parallax-jquery-css/
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  30. # [00:38] <paul_irish> i feel like desandro could have put out a 15 liner for this
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  38. # [00:56] <chrislorenz> anyone here using the jshint vim plugin?
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  57. # [01:18] <jn> trying to get in to this forrst thing, any members here who can vouch for me?
  58. # [01:19] <ben_c> jn: I'm on but not sure if I use it enough to be able to
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  60. # [01:23] <tw2113> i lack invites
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  62. # [01:23] <ben_c> I can do some voting thing on people on the waiting list, are you on it?
  63. # [01:24] <jn> ben_c: yeah
  64. # [01:24] <jn> http://forrst.com/i/5Zl
  65. # [01:25] <ben_c> just 2 to go now ;)
  66. # [01:25] <jn> hehe thanks man
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  68. # [01:31] <jn> if anyone else here with a forrst account would do the voting thing i would really appreciate it :)
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  70. # [01:31] <Jayflux> whats forrst
  71. # [01:32] <jn> http://forrst.com/
  72. # [01:32] <jn> it's like a designer developer community
  73. # [01:32] <tw2113> dribbble for developers as well as the usual designers
  74. # [01:32] <Jayflux> hahahaaha log in
  75. # [01:32] <Jayflux> i see what they did there
  76. # [01:33] <tw2113> *polka face*
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  81. # [01:38] <jn> hah, missed the github thing
  82. # [01:38] <jn> got an a account
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  107. # [01:49] <thatryan> jn: did you get into forrst? i have 3 invites
  108. # [01:51] <jn> thatryan: yeah, found the signup with github option
  109. # [01:51] <thatryan> cool
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  211. # [04:28] <niftylettuce> !help
  212. # [04:28] <niftylettuce> ?help
  213. # [04:28] <bot-t> Get FREE A++ HELP - http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc
  214. # [04:28] <niftylettuce> ?msg danbeam yahoo mail looks sexy
  215. # [04:28] <bot-t> niftylettuce, Couldn't find "msg danbeam yahoo mail looks sexy" in jQuery Docs.
  216. # [04:28] <niftylettuce> ?tell danbeam yahoo mail looks sexy
  217. # [04:28] <bot-t> niftylettuce, Okay.
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  219. # [04:30] <tw2113> ?tell danbeam it's sexier than him :D
  220. # [04:30] <bot-t> tw2113, Okay.
  221. # [04:30] <tw2113> ftfy niftylettuce
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  227. # [04:38] <bot-t> niftylettuce, Okay.
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  270. # [06:22] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WWuKXIQtXo
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  277. # [06:48] <niftylettuce> lol @ goats teleported in task mgr in chrome
  278. # [06:49] <dr0id> ?
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  280. # [07:02] <niftylettuce> go to Task Manager in Chrome, right click a process
  281. # [07:02] <niftylettuce> check box for Goats Teleported
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  353. # [09:37] <niftylettuce> cant sleep so excited
  354. # [09:41] <mokush_> niftylettuce: about what?
  355. # [09:42] <niftylettuce> mokush_: you shall soon see!
  356. # [09:43] <mokush_> niftylettuce: omg, ZE Rapture 2.0 ?
  357. # [09:43] <niftylettuce> mokush_: zOMG*
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  359. # [09:44] <niftylettuce> iceweeeeseelll
  360. # [09:44] <mokush_> niftylettuce: zomgz, now you made curious
  361. # [09:45] <mokush_> any ideea how I could define a function in a popup from the opener, but declare the function name as a string. something like: http://jsfiddle.net/rbqLM/
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  368. # [10:08] <niftylettuce> mokush_: ask in JavaScript channel such as #jquery
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  419. # [12:08] <aLeSD> hi all
  420. # [12:08] <aLeSD> I'd like to understand if html5 is the future
  421. # [12:09] <aLeSD> is html5 the future ?
  422. # [12:10] <dr0id> yes
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  429. # [12:35] <moo-_-> aLeSD: it's contemporary
  430. # [12:35] <moo-_-> aLeSD: HTML5 is now
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  441. # [13:11] <aLeSD> dr0id, moo-_-: I am a c/c++ , java developer and I'd like to work a bit in web developing ... where do u suggest to start ?
  442. # [13:11] <aLeSD> I have already worked with HTML
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  448. # [13:20] <andyardener> anyone know if there has been some recent research into font availability?
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  450. # [13:21] <andyardener> i mean i like, percentage of the web that has Calibri avaliable to use?
  451. # [13:21] <andyardener> for example
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  490. # [14:41] <moo-_-> aLeSD: learn django
  491. # [14:42] <moo-_-> https://www.djangoproject.com/
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  505. # [14:51] <aLeSD> moo-_-: nice ... so I will learn also python
  506. # [14:51] <moo-_-> aLeSD: and HTML :)
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  514. # [15:05] <jetienne> note that using python for the web is arbitrary
  515. # [15:06] <jetienne> you can use any other langauge you want on the server
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  517. # [15:06] <jetienne> python is one, php another, ruby, node.js, are other alternatives
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  536. # [15:40] <jetienne> q. some actions are allowed only during the processing of a explicit user event. (like .click or audio playing), is there a way to detect that state ?
  537. # [15:40] <jetienne> not sure im clear :)
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  539. # [15:42] <asonge> jetienne: yeah, there's a huge list of audio events
  540. # [15:42] <asonge> loadstart, loadeddata, playing, play
  541. # [15:42] <asonge> abort
  542. # [15:42] <asonge> loads of them
  543. # [15:42] <jetienne> asonge: what i want is to detect if js is currently processing a user event
  544. # [15:43] <asonge> oh, any user event?
  545. # [15:43] <jetienne> asonge: like a mouse click, or a touchstart.
  546. # [15:43] <asonge> just listen to that on body
  547. # [15:43] <asonge> events bubble up
  548. # [15:43] <asonge> well, most of them (the media ones don't)
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  551. # [15:44] <jetienne> this wont work :)
  552. # [15:44] <asonge> why not?
  553. # [15:44] <jetienne> because nothing garantee you this is a user event
  554. # [15:45] <jetienne> and other handler may prevent event from propagating
  555. # [15:45] <jetienne> and you may forget events or just udnno event names
  556. # [15:45] <jetienne> i think this is the reasons i see :)
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  577. # [16:31] <jetienne> got the answer in mozillairc/#developers, when an event is triggered by the browser, there is a event.isTrusted === true. and === false if generated by the page
  578. # [16:31] <jetienne> asonge: see above
  579. # [16:32] <asonge> ah
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  587. # [17:00] <alisalaah> I wanted to use CSS3 for a carousel but it's a key part of a project so needs to be compatible with older versions of IE and such...
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  594. # [17:10] <alisalaah> The lack of IE support for transitions, transforms and animations just means it will be, realistically, some years before many Developers can use it in real projects
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  597. # [17:12] <thatryan> hasnt that always been IE's way though? :(
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  624. # [17:37] <alisalaah> I know but I'm starting some templates and such for a new site and building it from the ground up. So I started by hooking it the up with the h5bp awesomeness and all that, but just going through all the specs and seeing what I can use of HTML5/CSS3, then JQuery as needed afterwards. We have a semi civil war between GWT and JQuery for some website stuff we do around here as well but eh that's another issue
  625. # [17:37] <paul_irish> gl with that
  626. # [17:38] <alisalaah> We have a browser compatibility matrix and such... so ya
  627. # [17:38] <alisalaah> paul_irish, what would you know about H5BP, HTML5, CSS3 or even JQuery :P
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  629. # [17:39] <alisalaah> I wouldn't mind IE as much if it automatically updated to IE9 on everyones computer
  630. # [17:41] <alisalaah> May 2011 Browser Usage: http://goo.gl/RHzpR
  631. # [17:41] <alisalaah> Although W3Counter says it's lower
  632. # [17:41] <miketaylr> except IE9 won't run on XP, so that's impossible
  633. # [17:41] <thatryan> still sucks, but not much we can do sadly
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  636. # [17:43] <alisalaah> miketaylr, that is pretty fail, brb
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  649. # [18:06] <cgcardona> I'm trying to figure out why this works on my localhost and not on production if Firefox. https://audiofile.cc/boombox. When I put it on production and call Audio.play() it won't play the audio object. When I type the path to the audio resource into the url bar it takes me to a page and plays the audio clip as html5 VIDEO. Am I somehow serving the .ogg file up incorrectly from my production server and somehow causing firefox to think it's a vide
  650. # [18:06] <cgcardona> resource cause it's .ogg?
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  660. # [18:19] <craigbarnes> alisalaah: You can't upgrade everyone to IE9...but IE9 pretty much sucks anyway
  661. # [18:19] <craigbarnes> just upgrade them to Chrome Frame
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  664. # [18:19] <craigbarnes> I think that works on XP too
  665. # [18:21] <cgcardona> ok I got it
  666. # [18:21] <cgcardona> adding `AddType audio/ogg .ogg` made it work.
  667. # [18:22] <cgcardona> so now audiofile.cc/boombox works in Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera, Safari Mobile.
  668. # [18:22] <cgcardona> nimbu: Did you happen to get a chance to test boombox in IE9? No worries if you didn't.
  669. # [18:22] <nimbu> cgcardona: I had not! i will do it in a bit.
  670. # [18:23] <cgcardona> ok. no rush. When you have time :)
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  675. # [18:33] <andrenkov> can somebody help me ... I'm tring to make the game settlers of catan with canvas ... I've just started today http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5188/5867020996_fb730c92ed_b.jpg
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  677. # [18:35] <cgcardona> nimbu: Someone just tested for me. It works in IE9 also!
  678. # [18:36] <cgcardona> super FTW
  679. # [18:36] <nimbu> WOOHOO
  680. # [18:36] <cgcardona> so it works in all modern browsers
  681. # [18:36] <cgcardona> w00t
  682. # [18:37] <nimbu> awesomeeee
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  702. # [19:06] <alisalaah> craigbarnes, i wish there was a way to autoinstall chrome frame from inside my markup on the user without any actions on IE :(
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  705. # [19:07] <alisalaah> <meta http-equiv="autoinstall" content="chromeframe"/> would be a win
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  707. # [19:08] <paul_irish> :)
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  710. # [19:13] <shichuan> it still feels weird why ms wanna make a browser that doesnt even work on some of their own os
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  712. # [19:15] <shichuan> by the way, why on wikipedia, people say chromebook can't run something as heavy as photoshop?
  713. # [19:15] <Ms2ger> Because then they can use all kinds of new, nifty features the Windows people added for them?
  714. # [19:16] <shichuan> i believe with web workers, you can build a photoshop on chromebook with no problem
  715. # [19:16] <shichuan> and it's not like photoshop is that fast as a native software
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  718. # [19:20] <shichuan> Ms2ger: that's not a good enough reason, consider the pain it creates for html5 developers
  719. # [19:21] <alisalaah> shichuan, you're assuming that the developers were their top concern..
  720. # [19:22] <alisalaah> more than likely was pushing upgrades to Windows 7 since that is their core business, tbh
  721. # [19:23] <alisalaah> they can say that it ties into native functionality of Windows 7 to give an optimized performance only available when you have OUR browser in OUR operating system, but Chrome still runs 10x faster than IE9 on Win7
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  724. # [19:25] <shichuan> alisalaah: yea, that's true
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  726. # [19:27] <alisalaah> If we can make a nice HTML5 version of Netbeans or Eclipse with the core functionality and ability to simulate a local dev environment, doing Ant/Maven builds or running LAMP and some form of localhost and such would be interesting
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  728. # [19:28] <aLeSD> do you know a good web framework to create the web page for a music band ?
  729. # [19:29] <alisalaah> aLeSD, if you just want a basic site and don't know how to code much you could go with something like Wordpress or Drupal
  730. # [19:29] <aLeSD> alisalaah: I come from c/c++ , java coding . I did some html in the past . I'd like to learn
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  732. # [19:30] <alisalaah> I would suggest either of those PHP based CMS's because you can usually find very cheap hosting easier and such. But depends on your level of expertise, who will be maintaining the site, and what kind of functionality you want.. if you want to do something where no module exist within that CMS' community then you can look at creating a custom module or going with something like Zend Framework (PHP), Django (Python), Rails (Ruby), etc.
  733. # [19:31] <aLeSD> ok
  734. # [19:32] <alisalaah> The only Java CMS that is open-source I've seen much of is Liferay
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  738. # [19:33] <alisalaah> From the C family you would probably want to look into PHP, due to community, popularity, and ease of learning since you're starting that may be a good route. You can argue for every language under the sun but that's my opinion, especially for a nice simple project and due to the fact you'll have some tools and cms'es available for you.
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  740. # [19:33] <alisalaah> aLeSD, are you looking for a framework or a CMS?
  741. # [19:34] <aLeSD> alisalaah: I think with framework I have more freedom
  742. # [19:35] <aLeSD> alisalaah, I mean: I'd like to do something with musci, videos and more ... is it possibile with django ?
  743. # [19:35] <alisalaah> I enjoy coding vs dealing with most CMS'es myself, but consider how fast you want to get a site up and running for said band. You could grab a CMS and theme and such and run with it nice and fast get a site up in minutes or hours.
  744. # [19:35] <alisalaah> And then code them a nice new site while that one runs off a framework
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  747. # [19:36] <alisalaah> I have only limited Django experience with it and Python.
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  749. # [19:36] <alisalaah> I have to run to a meeting right now, but look at your requirements and then run with whichever language you want
  750. # [19:37] <aLeSD> alisalaah, I'd like to make something like flash webpage but without using flash
  751. # [19:37] <alisalaah> Zend (PHP), Django (Python), Rails (Ruby) would be fine but just go with whatever language would be best
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  754. # [19:38] <alisalaah> well the presentation will be done in HTML, CSS, Javascript no matter the above frameworks, for the most part
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  756. # [19:38] <alisalaah> Choosing an MVC framework gives you the ability to use logic in the controllers, map out data models to your MySQL or whichever DB and get some nice routing and templating out of the box.
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  758. # [19:39] <alisalaah> But in most you will design a layout file, which you could use the HTML5 boilerplate to start. And then insert in Views into the layouts and such basedon routing and controllers.
  759. # [19:39] <alisalaah> Anyways, gtg google around some of them, but it's easier if you focus on a language to learn first, since there are similar tools for all languages out there
  760. # [19:39] <alisalaah> *gone*
  761. # [19:40] <aLeSD> ok thanks
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  780. # [20:12] <JonathanNeal> Just venting. Sometimes, just for organization purposes, I wish there were an element like <content>. I want to have something like <section><header><h1>Title</h1></header><content><p>My Content</p></content></section>
  781. # [20:12] <JonathanNeal> I just don't love <div> enough.
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  784. # [20:17] <paul_irish> http://flashtml5.com/
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  786. # [20:18] <tw2113> my solution to that is pretty easy paul_irish
  787. # [20:18] <bot-t> (15 hours 40 mins ago) <niftylettuce> tell tw2113 he is rewd
  788. # [20:19] <tw2113> don't do flash from the start
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  796. # [20:27] <paul_irish> aint flash bro
  797. # [20:28] <JonathanNeal> it's flashy.
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  800. # [20:43] <basilgohar> paul_irish: That site is *terribly* slow on my 6-core CPU.
  801. # [20:43] <basilgohar> It's like Flash from 2001. :)
  802. # [20:44] <basilgohar> Oh, and it crashed my browser. :)
  803. # [20:44] <basilgohar> JUST like Flash from 2001!
  804. # [20:44] <cylentwolf> speedy on chrome. what browser you using basil?
  805. # [20:45] <basilgohar> cylentwolf: FF4 on Fedora 14.
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  811. # [20:53] <paul_irish> ff4!??! get with the program
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  814. # [20:55] <tw2113> it's running pretty well overall for me with Fx4 on F14
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  818. # [20:55] <basilgohar> tw2113: I also use the Radeon open-source driver.
  819. # [20:55] <basilgohar> That is possibly part of the problem.
  820. # [20:56] <alisalaah> paul_irish, are you ready to call FF4 legacy or something? ;)
  821. # [20:56] <paul_irish> it's done been done.
  822. # [20:56] <basilgohar> paul_irish: I'm waiting for someone to package it for Fedora 14. :)
  823. # [20:56] <tw2113> alisalaah they're already stopping security updates for Fx4
  824. # [20:56] <paul_irish> i really dont understand the linux packaging system
  825. # [20:56] <basilgohar> paul_irish: I can, of course, download and run the binary.
  826. # [20:56] <paul_irish> linux like invented package managment and when it comes to browser they lag terribly behind the other OS's
  827. # [20:56] <basilgohar> But I'm in no rush.
  828. # [20:57] <basilgohar> For Firefox it's because XULRunner is used in a large number of other packages.
  829. # [20:57] <paul_irish> well tell that to your CPU cores
  830. # [20:57] <basilgohar> So, updating that means updating a bunch.
  831. # [20:57] <basilgohar> Of course, it's not like more than one was being used for that page anyway...:p
  832. # [20:57] <alisalaah> That page is horribly slow for me aswell on OSX 10.6 and Chrome 12
  833. # [20:57] <alisalaah> but it didn't quite crash it
  834. # [20:58] <craigbarnes> well Fedora 14 isn't even a current version
  835. # [20:58] <craigbarnes> so.....
  836. # [20:58] <basilgohar> Yeah, the crashing is probably because I'm running a nonstandard Firefox 4 package.
  837. # [20:58] <craigbarnes> that might explain the lag in packaging
  838. # [20:58] <paul_irish> lol
  839. # [20:58] <basilgohar> craigbarnes: F14 is current, just not latest.
  840. # [20:58] <basilgohar> But otherwise, you're right.
  841. # [20:58] <basilgohar> It's not lag...there will not be.
  842. # [20:58] <alisalaah> Are you considering any LTS as current? or what's the definition of current ;)
  843. # [20:58] <basilgohar> FF4 wasn't released before F14 was, so that means there's no FF4 for Fedora 14.
  844. # [20:58] <tw2113> F14 loses support in half a year
  845. # [20:58] <craigbarnes> ok current, latest, whatever
  846. # [20:59] <basilgohar> alisalaah: Fedora doens't have LTSes
  847. # [20:59] <alisalaah> current = within support?
  848. # [20:59] <basilgohar> tw2113: Yes.
  849. # [20:59] <alisalaah> basilgohar, sorry thought they did
  850. # [20:59] <basilgohar> And F15 loses support in a year.
  851. # [20:59] <tw2113> i may upgrade to F15 soon
  852. # [20:59] <basilgohar> I won't upgrade at work until F16 is released, most likely.
  853. # [20:59] <basilgohar> But at home, I'll have to, because I'm running F13 there.
  854. # [21:00] <tw2113> i will stick with fluxbox, i am not a huge fan of gnome shell yet
  855. # [21:00] <alisalaah> I was thinking of updating my home desktop to Ubuntu 11.04 today, but my motorcycle arrived form the shipping company so... priorities
  856. # [21:00] <tw2113> but on F14 here, i have Fx4 + Fx5
  857. # [21:01] * alisalaah loves when psd's come in late and are drastically different from mockups...
  858. # [21:01] <tw2113> bastards
  859. # [21:04] <alisalaah> anyone here go to the NCAGTUG meetups/events?
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  861. # [21:09] <alisalaah> okay im off, later
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  867. # [21:22] <tw2113> http://www.sitepoint.com/modernizr-2-whats-new/
  868. # [21:22] <tw2113> the reddit posting for it, if that's your thing http://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/i89tn/whats_new_in_modernizr_2/
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  881. # [21:30] <diamonds> hey friends!
  882. # [21:30] <diamonds> This page uses fonts that need to be temporarily installed. This is usually safe. Do you want to allow these fonts to be downloaded
  883. # [21:30] <diamonds> anyone know a way to avoid this in IE8?
  884. # [21:30] <diamonds> or does this simply go with the font face territory?
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  889. # [21:35] <paul_irish> diamonds: its a nondefault setting in IE
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  895. # [21:35] <paul_irish> you cannot detect it
  896. # [21:35] <diamonds> paul_irish: oh!
  897. # [21:35] <diamonds> yeah I figured there was no way to override local security settings
  898. # [21:35] <paul_irish> and then only way you can avoid it is not serving .eot webfonts
  899. # [21:35] <paul_irish> or the user has to change their security settings
  900. # [21:35] <diamonds> ok thank you The Paul Irish!
  901. # [21:36] <paul_irish> :p np
  902. # [21:36] <diamonds> client ticket didn't even say which version of IE... can you believe it???!?!?!
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  906. # [21:37] <thatryan> whatcha up to paul_irish
  907. # [21:38] <paul_irish> diamonds: i wrote about it somewhere
  908. # [21:38] <paul_irish> i think its ie6-8
  909. # [21:38] <paul_irish> thatryan: just added https://github.com/paulirish/lazyweb-requests/issues some new tickets to here
  910. # [21:38] <diamonds> paul_irish: that would be totally helpful to see
  911. # [21:38] <diamonds> because I need citations for client
  912. # [21:38] <paul_irish> ?g font face gotchas
  913. # [21:38] <bot-t> paul_irish, @font-face gotchas Paul Irish - http://paulirish.com/2010/font-face-gotchas/
  914. # [21:39] <diamonds> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/forum/ie8-windows_other/temporary-fonts-when-visiting-specific-sites-im/80cc2fa7-69ad-4329-a1e3-44c3821a21ae < seems to imply it's set to "enable" on all security settings but "high"
  915. # [21:42] <thatryan> oh cool ill check out the new tickets
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  918. # [21:43] <paul_irish> diamonds: yes i believe that is so.
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  924. # [21:53] <craigbarnes> ?g help
  925. # [21:53] <bot-t> craigbarnes, Google Help - http://www.google.com/support/
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  952. # [22:35] <hotswapp> since theres no audio codec that all browsers support, how do you create a music player that all browsers can use?
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  955. # [22:36] <humph> you encode twice and use <source>
  956. # [22:37] <hotswapp> ew
  957. # [22:37] <hotswapp> twice the filesize?
  958. # [22:37] <humph> twice the fun
  959. # [22:37] <hotswapp> thats so lame
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  961. # [22:38] <hotswapp> any chance theyll add more codec support soon?
  962. # [22:38] <humph> sure
  963. # [22:38] <humph> but that's the state of the web
  964. # [22:39] <humph> http://diveintohtml5.org/video.html is helpful on this
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  966. # [22:40] <hotswapp> fuck it im using flash
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  968. # [22:45] <JonathanNeal> hahaha
  969. # [22:45] <JonathanNeal> there's always flash as a firefox fallback.
  970. # [22:46] <JonathanNeal> does opera support mp4?
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  978. # [22:56] <miketaylr> JonathanNeal: desktop, no. mobile, depends on the device.
  979. # [22:57] <miketaylr> Opera Mobile 11 on my Galaxy Tab does, but doesn't on my EVO, iirc
  980. # [22:59] <JonathanNeal> and do those devices support flash?
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  994. # [23:20] <thatryan> whoa
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  996. # [23:21] <danbeam> paul_irish: document.createElement('modernizr') lol
  997. # [23:21] <bot-t> (18 hours 50 mins ago) <niftylettuce> tell danbeam yahoo mail looks sexy
  998. # [23:21] <bot-t> (18 hours 50 mins ago) <tw2113> tell danbeam it's sexier than him :D
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  1000. # [23:21] <danbeam> tw2113: lol
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  1002. # [23:22] <danbeam> ?tell niftylettuce yeah, it's so purple even I noticed (and I'm colorblind)
  1003. # [23:22] <bot-t> danbeam, Okay.
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  1009. # [23:30] <danbeam> paul_irish: Modernizr.mq is cool, btw -- have you guys ever had any collisions with other styles? (I imagine not, but even a <modernizr> is affected by universal selector [*])
  1010. # [23:32] <tw2113> yo danbeam
  1011. # [23:32] <danbeam> tw2113: yo
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  1013. # [23:36] * thatryan yo
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  1015. # [23:39] <tw2113> thatryan is a yo-yo :D
  1016. # [23:40] <thatryan> what is up
  1017. # [23:41] <tw2113> you mean up and down and up and down? :D
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  1026. # [23:53] <danbeam> paul_irish: you might consider shoving a hasOwnProperty( props, i ) into this if () - https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/blob/master/modernizr.js#L225 to filter out any enumerable Array properties created here - https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/blob/master/modernizr.js#L241
  1027. # [23:54] <danbeam> paul_irish: (as it looks like alot of those are doing DOM property access might be slower than just normal ({obj:'property'}).access)
  1028. # [23:54] <paul_irish> danbeam: actually taht should jsut be a for loop
  1029. # [23:54] <paul_irish> doesnt need to be for..in
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  1035. # [23:55] <paul_irish> it will always be an array and not an obj
  1036. # [23:55] <paul_irish> can you file a ticket and/or a pullreq for that
  1037. # [23:55] <danbeam> might
  1038. # [23:55] <danbeam> Array gets all the same issues, though
  1039. # [23:55] <paul_irish> but not with a for loop
  1040. # [23:55] <danbeam> var a = 'MozTextOverflow WebkitTextOverflow OTextOverflow'.split(' '); for (var i in a) { console.log(i); }
  1041. # [23:56] <danbeam> whoops
  1042. # [23:56] <paul_irish> standard for loop.
  1043. # [23:56] <danbeam> Array.prototype.someFunc = function(){return 'funky';};
  1044. # [23:56] <paul_irish> ...
  1045. # [23:56] <danbeam> someFunc will be enumerable
  1046. # [23:56] <danbeam> and will be iterated
  1047. # [23:57] <danbeam> (unless you use hasOwnProperty)
  1048. # [23:58] <paul_irish> danbeam: u r wrong http://paulirish.com/i/8390.png
  1049. # [23:58] <danbeam> https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/blob/master/modernizr.js#L223-230
  1050. # [23:58] <paul_irish> danbeam: bro. stay over here.
  1051. # [23:58] <paul_irish> no PMy
  1052. # [23:58] <paul_irish> "danbeam: actually taht should jsut be a for loop"
  1053. # [23:59] <danbeam> paul_irish: k, that's fine, that'd work too...
  1054. # [23:59] <paul_irish> KAY THEN
  1055. # [23:59] <danbeam> you make this channel fun, dawg, ;)
  1056. # Session Close: Sat Jun 25 00:00:00 2011

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