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  1. # Session Start: Sun Jun 26 00:00:00 2011
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  4. # [00:01] <paul_irish> bot-t: file a ticket on the v8 tracker about the timer issue plzzz
  5. # [00:02] <bot-t> paul_irish, Monday, 2011-05-23 - http://services.jquery.com/#jquery_20110523.log.html
  6. # [00:02] <paul_irish> bot-t: tell grantg file a ticket on the v8 tracker about the timer issue plzzz
  7. # [00:02] <bot-t> paul_irish, Okay.
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  38. # [02:07] <dissipate> hello
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  41. # [02:08] <dissipate> does anyone have a list of browsers that support 'file drag out'? it looks like chrome and firefox support it, but i can't find an 'official' list.
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  72. # [03:46] <frankstallone> @paul_irish are you around?
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  74. # [03:49] <paul_irish> frankstallone: sup
  75. # [03:50] <frankstallone> Actually I think I found an article that seems inclusive, bad channel for this but not sure where else I would have posted this -- installed git, java,ant on my (mt) dv 4.0 server to run ant minify (build script) and I am getting errors about memory size even after I update the min/max
  76. # [03:51] <paul_irish> ouch
  77. # [03:52] <frankstallone> Thank you for making such a kick ass video on the topic though
  78. # [03:52] <frankstallone> I have you to thank for uploading my first git repo --- cloning it to my dv and (almost) running build script on it
  79. # [03:52] <frankstallone> Soooo close =)
  80. # [03:53] <paul_irish> wooo
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  82. # [03:54] <frankstallone> http://grab.by/ar9O this is where I am stuck
  83. # [03:54] <frankstallone> Figuring it out now, but if you have any advice throw it on over =)
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  87. # [04:00] <cgcardona> anyone on a windows box who can tell me if the sharp signs on audiofile.cc are working?
  88. # [04:01] <cgcardona> i think I figured out a way to detect the unicode character support and I want to confirm that it works for other people
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  91. # [04:09] <paul_irish> gavin_huang: sup
  92. # [04:09] <paul_irish> frankstallone: dunno bro
  93. # [04:09] <gavin_huang> paul_irish, hey. cool. let's get started. :)
  94. # [04:10] <gavin_huang> paul_irish, if attrs/values stick. but in reality, some browsers (i.e., opera, safari) don't actually validate inputs on submitting. even if they claim a particular html5 form validation is supported.
  95. # [04:10] <gavin_huang> paul_irish, oops
  96. # [04:10] <gavin_huang> paul_irish, do you think we should have a more robust test for form inputs? currently, modernizr checks if attrs/values stick. but in reality, some browsers (i.e., opera, safari) don't actually validate inputs on submitting. even if they claim a particular html5 form validation is supported.
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  98. # [04:11] <paul_irish> the input type test is a combination of seeing if the type attr value sticks..
  99. # [04:11] <paul_irish> and that there is input sanitization
  100. # [04:11] <frankstallone> I brush my teeth to input sanitization every morning.
  101. # [04:12] <paul_irish> gavin_huang: but... take a look.. i'm down with hardening up those detects
  102. # [04:12] <gavin_huang> paul_irish, but some browsers don't prevent the form from submitting, if some values are invalid, even though they provide validation APIs.
  103. # [04:13] <paul_irish> hm
  104. # [04:13] <paul_irish> it's worth writing a test for that definitely
  105. # [04:13] <paul_irish> though it's def up for debate if that test should be default
  106. # [04:13] <paul_irish> tough one
  107. # [04:13] <paul_irish> gavin_huang: can you write the test?
  108. # [04:14] <gavin_huang> paul_irish, sure, i have one on jsfiddle, wait a sec.
  109. # [04:15] <nimbu> gavin_huang: opera had a bug where form elements only validate if u had name attrs. But this should have been fixed.
  110. # [04:16] <gavin_huang> paul_irish, nimbu, test case for "required" http://jsfiddle.net/BuhYV/
  111. # [04:16] <gavin_huang> safari doesn't prevent the form from submitting
  112. # [04:17] <nimbu> gavin_huang: opera 11.5 does prevent form from submitting, test in Opera Next
  113. # [04:18] <gavin_huang> nimbu, strange, my opera 11.11 in winxp doesn't prevent it.
  114. # [04:18] <nimbu> gavin_huang: yes it was a bug
  115. # [04:18] <nimbu> it has been fixed.
  116. # [04:18] <nimbu> as i mentioned.
  117. # [04:18] <gavin_huang> opera 11.5 is newer than 11.11?
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  119. # [04:19] <nimbu> oops its opera 11.50 gavin_huang
  120. # [04:19] <nimbu> :)
  121. # [04:19] <nimbu> not 11.05
  122. # [04:20] <gavin_huang> nimbu, got it. but we still need a way to test that.
  123. # [04:20] <gavin_huang> how about testing the invalid event?
  124. # [04:20] <gavin_huang> invalid inputs are supposed to fire an invalid event on submitting.
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  126. # [04:22] <gavin_huang> if they don't fire it. submitting is not likely to be prevented.
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  129. # [04:23] <gavin_huang> or we could set an invalid value and submit a form, see if the submitting event is fired.
  130. # [04:23] <gavin_huang> paul_irish, what do you think?
  131. # [04:24] <paul_irish> what would fire first? invalid or submit?
  132. # [04:25] <paul_irish> regardless, it'd be good to see that test in code
  133. # [04:25] <paul_irish> do it up bro
  134. # [04:25] <gavin_huang> if invalid is fired, submit aren't going to be fired
  135. # [04:25] <paul_irish> k
  136. # [04:25] <gavin_huang> paul_irish, cool. forking it away. :)
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  139. # [04:27] <gavin_huang> paul_irish, does modernizr have framework for events?
  140. # [04:27] <paul_irish> yup
  141. # [04:27] <paul_irish> well..
  142. # [04:27] <paul_irish> no
  143. # [04:27] <paul_irish> not the one you want
  144. # [04:27] <paul_irish> internally there is isEventSupported
  145. # [04:28] <paul_irish> exposed as Modernizr.hasEvent()
  146. # [04:28] <paul_irish> but no attachEvent bs.. cuz.. fuck that
  147. # [04:29] <gavin_huang> paul_irish, haha. but maybe we could ignore attachEvent? browsers use attachEvent aren't like to support html5 anyway.
  148. # [04:29] <paul_irish> precisely
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  151. # [04:31] <gavin_huang> paul_irish, i will implement once i got the time, and send you a request. got a family trip today. yay. :)
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  153. # [04:34] <paul_irish> coool!
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  155. # [04:35] <gavin_huang> paul_irish, do you think tests for API and form prevention should be separated? i.e., exposes different APIs in modernizr?
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  157. # [04:35] <paul_irish> i'm thinking that way right now, yes
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  160. # [04:37] <gavin_huang> cool, then i will just implement the prevention part and let you decide the APIs.
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  162. # [04:39] <paul_irish> kk
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  166. # [04:49] <cgcardona> anyone know if this is the correct way to detect if a machine supports a unicode character? https://github.com/cgcardona/audiofile.cc/commit/f5dfc81209eed095f908c59d26b7ef46ccf0a9e8
  167. # [04:50] <cgcardona> its working in these examples on windows. But when I add other notes the windows machines render a square instead of taking the if path and painting my janky handrolled notes on the canvas
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  173. # [04:55] <timmywil> gavin_huang: you had a question?
  174. # [04:55] <gavin_huang> timmywil, yeah, it's about jquery, let's bring it to #jquery-dev?
  175. # [04:56] <timmywil> gavin_huang: ok
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  190. # [06:02] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: I think you will appreciate my Terminal output here: http://i51.tinypic.com/30ht07r.png
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  270. # [08:57] <iraebrasil> paul_irish, WTF is that? cornifying? LOL
  271. # [08:57] <iraebrasil> please, share teh codez!
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  273. # [09:01] <niftylettuce> iraebrasil: you're talking to me?
  274. # [09:01] <niftylettuce> iraebrasil: that is Marak's colors.js
  275. # [09:01] <iraebrasil> ow, sorry... yeah, talking to you
  276. # [09:01] <niftylettuce> sys.puts("cornify urmom".rainbow);
  277. # [09:01] <niftylettuce> iraebrasil: a node.js package
  278. # [09:02] <iraebrasil> paul is so into unicorns that I dindn't even read who posted the screenshot, sorry
  279. # [09:03] <Cydd> uys
  280. # [09:03] <Cydd> guys
  281. # [09:03] <Cydd> google "gay"
  282. # [09:03] <Cydd> look to the right!
  283. # [09:03] <dilvie> there's unicorn meat in every line of Paul's code.
  284. # [09:04] <niftylettuce> dilvie: are you suggesting you eat paul_irish 's unicorn meat?
  285. # [09:04] <niftylettuce> if he found out... dilvie.remove(); !!!
  286. # [09:05] <dilvie> I said it's in there - I didn't say I eat it.
  287. # [09:05] * niftylettuce eats it
  288. # [09:05] <niftylettuce> eats.it
  289. # [09:05] <dilvie> Though I suspect it's nutritious.
  290. # [09:05] * niftylettuce registers domain
  291. # [09:06] <Cydd> you guys do it
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  293. # [09:06] <Cydd> dont ask how i found that
  294. # [09:06] <Cydd> i was really googling 'gayal', an ox of southeast Asia sometimes considered a domesticated breed of the gaur
  295. # [09:07] <iraebrasil> nice detail for gay searchs
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  297. # [09:07] <niftylettuce> iraebrasil: people do that when they try to cover up the truth
  298. # [09:08] <niftylettuce> iraebrasil: truth.io.it.us.me.ly
  299. # [09:08] <iraebrasil> niftylettuce: my thoughts exactly
  300. # [09:09] <niftylettuce> iraebrasil: dood, 60 GBP for a .io, such a rip, but it was well worth my dime...
  301. # [09:09] <iraebrasil> =0
  302. # [09:09] <iraebrasil> ops
  303. # [09:09] <iraebrasil> =)
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  305. # [09:12] <niftylettuce> I can't wait for the ".al" albanian extension
  306. # [09:12] <niftylettuce> narwh.al
  307. # [09:12] <niftylettuce> (citizenship required)
  308. # [09:13] <niftylettuce> they could make $$ like every1 else if they werent so strict
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  310. # [09:14] <iraebrasil> many domain registars manage to bypass it anyway, via a local company or something
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  314. # [09:17] <niftylettuce> iraebrasil: apparently its taken
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  316. # [09:17] <niftylettuce> iraebrasil: narwh.al that is
  317. # [09:17] * niftylettuce cries
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  319. # [09:18] <iraebrasil> niftylettuce: shame... it's a good one
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  321. # [09:21] <niftylettuce> iraebrasil: you dont have a GH?
  322. # [09:21] <iraebrasil> i have, but irae is taken on freenode, my github and twitter @irae
  323. # [09:22] <niftylettuce> ?tell tw2113 he is a unicorn
  324. # [09:22] <bot-t> niftylettuce, Okay.
  325. # [09:22] <tw2113> i am quite rare
  326. # [09:22] <bot-t> (26 secs ago) <niftylettuce> tell tw2113 he is a unicorn
  327. # [09:24] <tw2113> also, hello niftylettuce
  328. # [09:25] <niftylettuce> tw2113: \o
  329. # [09:25] <niftylettuce> tw2113: paul corrupted me
  330. # [09:25] <niftylettuce> *Fixed me
  331. # [09:25] <iraebrasil> lol
  332. # [09:25] <tw2113> hidden code in modernizr
  333. # [09:25] <tw2113> you know that strange function that just doesn't look right?
  334. # [09:26] <tw2113> that's his horcrux function
  335. # [09:26] <niftylettuce> tw2113: http://i51.tinypic.com/30ht07r.png (i started rainbow-ifying everything)
  336. # [09:26] <niftylettuce> tw2113: next up... I'm going to animate a unicorn going across console output on node.js startup XD!!!!
  337. # [09:26] <niftylettuce> just like a page turner, where you write in bottom right corner of the page and then turn all pages at once
  338. # [09:26] <niftylettuce> many \n\n\n\n UGH!
  339. # [09:27] <tw2113> i'm trying an attempt to get used to gnome 3
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  341. # [09:27] <niftylettuce> tw2113: i dont find it appealing, yet
  342. # [09:27] <niftylettuce> tw2113: i gotta show u my debian setup for dev, its sick
  343. # [09:27] <niftylettuce> tw2113: ill host an anytime meeting and show u
  344. # [09:27] <tw2113> i think as you find little things, it starts to possibly make some more sense
  345. # [09:28] <tw2113> typed out details is enough :P
  346. # [09:31] <niftylettuce> tw2113: http://anymeeting.com/niftylettuce1
  347. # [09:33] <tw2113> do i have to?
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  349. # [09:33] <niftylettuce> tw2113: you're on ubuntu?
  350. # [09:33] <tw2113> fedora
  351. # [09:34] <niftylettuce> tw2113: ah nvm :'(
  352. # [09:34] <dr0id> gnome ubuntu here
  353. # [09:34] <niftylettuce> dr0id: :)
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  355. # [09:39] <niftylettuce> either you guys have AT&T? dr0id tw2113
  356. # [09:39] <dr0id> nope
  357. # [09:39] <dr0id> brb
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  403. # [12:03] <dr0id> niftylettuce: I am back, but I guess you guys are gone, heh.
  404. # [12:03] <niftylettuce> dr0id: no im here
  405. # [12:03] <dr0id> wow, hehe :D
  406. # [12:04] <dr0id> are you working on a Sunday ?
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  408. # [12:07] <mbrevda> it seems the required attr requires that an element be mutable. If the element is hidden, does that make is immutable?
  409. # [12:08] <dr0id> why would you want to make a hidden element required ? :/
  410. # [12:08] <mbrevda> dr0id: I want to make it required, but only when its not hidden
  411. # [12:09] <mbrevda> chrome handles that ok, ff seems not to. Trying to figure out which is 'spec'
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  413. # [12:21] <mbrevda> dr0id: so is hidden considered immutable?
  414. # [12:21] <Ms2ger> mbrevda, chrome iss wrong
  415. # [12:21] <Ms2ger> is, even
  416. # [12:21] <dr0id> no idea, let someone else take that :)
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  419. # [12:24] <mbrevda> Ms2ger: so an element thats hidden from view IS considered mutable?
  420. # [12:25] <Ms2ger> Yes
  421. # [12:25] <mbrevda> thanks
  422. # [12:25] <Ms2ger> Np
  423. # [12:25] <dr0id> can you expplain what does mutable and immutable mean in this context, I am quite confused :/
  424. # [12:26] <mbrevda> now, in your opinion, is that the way required should act? If the dev intentionally hides a part of a form, shouldnt that remove the balidation requirements for the non-visable parts?
  425. # [12:26] <mbrevda> dr0id: indeed, it seems to lose its meaning http://www.google.com/search?q=define+mutable
  426. # [12:27] <mbrevda> as when its hidden it is probably not "Liable to change"
  427. # [12:27] <Ms2ger> I don't think the requiredness (is that a word?) should depend on CSS
  428. # [12:28] <Ms2ger> If you intentionally hide a part of a form, might as well disable it at the same time
  429. # [12:28] <mbrevda> while it seem like extra work, that might just do it
  430. # [12:29] <iraebrasil> it makes sense to disable it first. so nothing hidden is submitted
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  458. # [13:14] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: I built this, check her out https://github.com/niftylettuce/nyancat.js
  459. # [13:14] <niftylettuce> nyancat.js @ https://github.com/niftylettuce/nyancat.js
  460. # [13:14] <dr0id> you made nyancat ?
  461. # [13:15] <niftylettuce> dr0id: i made a terminal animation of its rainbow
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  466. # [13:47] <vier> niftylettuce: did you see the youtube load bar on nyan cat?
  467. # [13:49] <niftylettuce> vier: yea lol
  468. # [13:49] <vier> so goof
  469. # [13:49] <vier> good*
  470. # [13:49] <dr0id> that's why I asked, heh
  471. # [13:50] <vier> on a channel-related note, anyone know when webcam and/or gyroscope features etc will be added? (or even P2P API?)
  472. # [13:54] <iraebrasil> iphone already exposes the gyroscope to javascript, you asking about standard proposal?
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  474. # [13:57] <vier> cool, and yes
  475. # [13:57] <vier> preferably webcam?
  476. # [13:57] <vier> i really want p2p though :(
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  478. # [13:58] <iraebrasil> about the gyroscope, there is an iPhone app that generates panoramas and export then in HTML5 gyroscope enabled. open this on iPhone 4... http://occip.it/pt3dmqna
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  480. # [13:59] <iraebrasil> vier: the last i read about webcam/microphone was this article: http://digitizor.com/2011/06/21/google-chrome-webrtc/
  481. # [14:00] <vier> kk, thanks
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  612. # [19:25] <tw2113> http://pull.imgfave.netdna-cdn.com/image_cache/1309045340300048.jpg
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  618. # [19:41] <moshee> that pic has been floating around the internet lol
  619. # [19:41] <moshee> still funny
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  629. # [20:09] <mansour> does html5 has support for a functionality similar to a page fragment ?
  630. # [20:09] <sdfgdfg> good evening
  631. # [20:10] <tw2113> "firebug is pretty wysiwug" LOL
  632. # [20:11] <sdfgdfg> could anyone help me some explanation about forms
  633. # [20:11] <mansour> anyway, never mind, thank you a lot for help.
  634. # [20:11] <sdfgdfg> for example what do i have to add to <input type=email name=email> so the field cant be left blank ?
  635. # [20:12] <tw2113> ?g form fields required
  636. # [20:12] <bot-t1> tw2113, Dynamic Drive- Required field(s) validation - http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex16/requiredcheck.htm
  637. # [20:12] <tw2113> bah
  638. # [20:12] <tw2113> http://diveintohtml5.org/forms.html
  639. # [20:12] * Parts: mansour (~mansour@216.165.204.100)
  640. # [20:13] <tw2113> specifically http://diveintohtml5.org/forms.html#required
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  642. # [20:14] <sdfgdfg> <input id="q" required>
  643. # [20:14] <sdfgdfg> omfg that simple ? Oo
  644. # [20:14] <sdfgdfg> i was looking for this for a few hours now
  645. # [20:16] <sdfgdfg> thanks tw2113
  646. # [20:17] <tw2113> good site overall, keep it in your bookmarks
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  656. # [20:23] <sdfgdfg> i had it before, but since i have a few boxes some times i loose stuf
  657. # [20:24] <sdfgdfg> btw, google chrome 12 dosnt work with this form validation for some reason
  658. # [20:27] <Ms2ger> Google likes shipping unfinished stuff, for some reason
  659. # [20:27] <tw2113> unfinished > nonexistent?
  660. # [20:28] <sdfgdfg> well, it is supposed to support it
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  757. # [22:25] <cgcardona> yo
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  767. # [22:56] <cheilmann> Hahahahaha! Best browser wars cartoon ever: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dsmyMHFstEo/TgXk_vhvQVI/AAAAAAAAA4Y/kigpJw6Ghpk/s1600/browser%2Bwar%2Bcopy.jpg
  768. # [22:59] <cgcardona> cheilmann: wow. thats headed straight to the twitter
  769. # [22:59] <cgcardona> oh I'll just retweet you :)
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  771. # [23:02] <cheilmann> The IE kid is SO spot on :)
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  773. # [23:02] <cgcardona> lolz
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  776. # [23:07] <grantg> Where's Safari and Opera?
  777. # [23:07] <bot-t1> (23 hours 4 mins ago) <paul_irish> tell grantg file a ticket on the v8 tracker about the timer issue plzzz
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  779. # [23:07] <grantg> :|
  780. # [23:07] <niftylettuce> http://open-juve.blogspot.com/2011/06/connect-gedit-to-firebug.html
  781. # [23:07] <paul_irish> :|
  782. # [23:08] <niftylettuce> for debian/ubuntu folk in here :)
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  785. # [23:11] <cheilmann> grantg not in there - my guess is the artist is on windows :)
  786. # [23:12] <cheilmann> I know both are available for windows, though
  787. # [23:12] <grantg> heh
  788. # [23:12] <cheilmann> niftylettuce: nice
  789. # [23:13] <grantg> weeee, firefox 5 and nothing feels or looks different. :/
  790. # [23:13] <cheilmann> paul_irish: Following up our talks http://www.wait-till-i.com/2011/06/26/help-me-make-developer-evangelism-more-measurable/ a call to make evangelism more measureable
  791. # [23:13] <paul_irish> oooo
  792. # [23:13] <paul_irish> nice nice
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  796. # [23:15] <Peter`> Your facebook profile's shortcut is "window.location.href"?
  797. # [23:15] <Peter`> haha
  798. # [23:16] <cheilmann> yeah as the redirection is done with JS anyways :)
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  806. # [23:20] <anujwalia> can anyone recommend best tutorials for html5 games and applications
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  808. # [23:21] <anujwalia> any1 ?
  809. # [23:22] <anujwalia> with a room of 160 becoming an open source developer , none is recommending any tutorial section #lame
  810. # [23:25] <cheilmann> wow, you should be more impatient
  811. # [23:25] <cheilmann> it really makes people want to help you
  812. # [23:27] <cheilmann> Jason Croucher has a nice series of posts: http://jacebook.co.uk/blog/2010/09/11/html5-writing-a-game/
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  814. # [23:30] <cheilmann> there is a difference between "hey, can you help me" and "bitches, I need this now!"
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  816. # [23:33] <anujwalia> i requested @cheilmann
  817. # [23:35] <Peter`> Yes, followed by a sarcastic comment three minutes later.
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  824. # [23:50] <surf> hi guys. Is it possible that in local my <video> tag is working (I can play the video in ff4) and when I upload it in my hosting space the player shows an X?
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  828. # [23:59] <surf> how can I play an ogv video inside my site? I can't understand why I see this x...
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