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  16. # [00:26] <E3D3> Will iframe be deprecated in the next HTML-version ?
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  116. # [05:40] <aidalgol> CSS animations aren't really appropriate for interactive animations, are they?
  117. # [05:41] <aidalgol> (By "CSS animation," I am referring to (https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/CSS_animations>)
  118. # [05:41] <cgcardona> canvas might be better for that
  119. # [05:41] <aidalgol> I'm just playing around and don't have a real goal, so I'm not sure.
  120. # [05:42] <aidalgol> cgcardona: That's kinda what I was thinking. Or SVG.
  121. # [05:42] <cgcardona> if you want to do something interactive i'm guessing canvas would be better because of the sscripting api
  122. # [05:42] <cgcardona> yeah
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  124. # [05:46] <iraebrasil> I think CSS animations are for simple things, like mouse overs, and to assist Javascript in most needs of UI interaction.
  125. # [05:47] <iraebrasil> So, if you want a nice animation after an ajax call, CSS animations are great.
  126. # [05:49] <iraebrasil> Page transitions, more interactive forms... there is a great playground around that
  127. # [05:49] <aidalgol> iraebrasil: Ah, so I *can* trigger a CSS animation after a JS function call. How the heck to I do that?
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  129. # [05:49] <iraebrasil> It's simple
  130. # [05:50] <iraebrasil> First you make too classes for the start and final state
  131. # [05:51] <iraebrasil> .loading {height:20px;background-image:url(l.gif);} and .loaded {height:auto;background-image:none;} would do.
  132. # [05:51] <aidalgol> iraebrasil: And use JS to change the class from "loading" to "loaded"?
  133. # [05:51] <iraebrasil> via javascript is trivial to set this classes, right?
  134. # [05:51] <iraebrasil> yup
  135. # [05:51] <iraebrasil> so you tell css to animate thease changes:
  136. # [05:51] <aidalgol> Ah, now *this* is where I got lost, I think.
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  138. # [05:53] <iraebrasil> .box {transition: height 800ms;}
  139. # [05:54] <iraebrasil> sorry for the delay, I was checking the syntax
  140. # [05:54] <aidalgol> Why .box?
  141. # [05:54] <iraebrasil> its a class that don't change along the process...
  142. # [05:55] <iraebrasil> <div class="box"></div> on page load, then you trigger your ajax and set the class <div class="box loading"></div>
  143. # [05:55] <iraebrasil> and finally wen content loads <div class="box loaded">content here</div>
  144. # [05:56] <iraebrasil> just an example
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  146. # [05:57] <aidalgol> And the engine knows to apply the transition style after code changes the class?
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  148. # [05:57] <iraebrasil> yup
  149. # [05:57] <aidalgol> Cool! :)
  150. # [05:57] <aidalgol> Thanks!
  151. # [05:58] <iraebrasil> the box {transition: height 800ms;} tells the engine that whatever happens to the height of the elements with a box class, instead of changing immediately, should change by transition
  152. # [05:58] <iraebrasil> you can have many properties like opacity, width, height, and so on and on...
  153. # [05:59] <iraebrasil> you can box {transition: all 800ms;} and change many properties at once
  154. # [05:59] <iraebrasil> Here is a great example: http://hakim.se/inc/components/slideshow/#/
  155. # [05:59] <iraebrasil> in firefox, just opacity animates, but when you open this one in Safari you will go "WOOOWW"
  156. # [06:00] <iraebrasil> because Safari has a lot of 3D CSS transitions that firefox have not implemented yet
  157. # [06:00] <iraebrasil> aidalgol: ^
  158. # [06:02] <aidalgol> iraebrasil: Whoa...
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  160. # [06:03] <iraebrasil> this one (only safari too) is really impressive http://m.madebycanvas.com/
  161. # [06:08] <aidalgol> Too bad Safari doesn't run on my system. :P
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  210. # [09:10] <iraebrasil> Auto-growing textareas with jQuery - The perfectionist way - bit.ly/kBfnaD (by me, aka shameless auto linking)
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  212. # [09:10] <iraebrasil> Any ideas for improvement?
  213. # [09:11] <tw2113> make the text hot pink
  214. # [09:12] <tw2113> also have it shrink back to origin when unfocused
  215. # [09:12] <tw2113> assuming you used it on your comment form on the page
  216. # [09:13] <iraebrasil> why shrink back?
  217. # [09:13] <tw2113> at least if empty
  218. # [09:13] <tw2113> and i have no justification
  219. # [09:13] <iraebrasil> lol
  220. # [09:14] <iraebrasil> great use case! the user typed things, so the comment box grown. now the user erases everything and we shrink it back...
  221. # [09:15] <iraebrasil> it only grows if the user passed the current size of the box ;)
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  254. # [11:15] <dpy> hi guys
  255. # [11:17] <dpy> does anyone know how to print "{a:1}" to console from an object {a:1}. (Like console.log({a:1}), except this, on chrome, prints an interactive "Object" on which I need to click (very annoying sometimes).
  256. # [11:18] <dpy> additional note: JSON.stringify is too brittle for this, it can't handle circular object references.
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  262. # [11:36] <queria> hi, is there any working html5 validator for linux shell that works offline?
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  264. # [11:43] <Ms2ger> I'd have a look at validator.nu
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  269. # [12:03] <queria> Ms2ger: ok thanks, i grabbed sources of validator.nu and will use it localy, even if i hoped for something smaller
  270. # [12:04] <Ms2ger> There's no such thing as a small HTML validator, I'm afraid
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  273. # [12:07] <queria> didn't mean exactly this kind of "smaller", but like "dedicated" ... not such figuratively "bloated" ...
  274. # [12:08] <queria> validator.nu sources seems to start up with web interface, can process few kinds of documents/syntaxes and i think it can do lot more then validation of html5 ;)
  275. # [12:08] <Ms2ger> Mm, true
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  278. # [12:15] <aidalgol> What's a sane way to make a collapsible menu?
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  318. # [14:30] <dr0id> what is the difference between progressive and regressive enhancement ?
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  320. # [14:34] <dr0id> ok, they are just the opposite. cool!
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  323. # [14:38] <Peter`> regressive enhancement... lol
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  325. # [14:39] <Peter`> there's various blogs on these subjects
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  328. # [14:42] <dr0id> yep, quite easy to understand. read some articles, ok with the concepts now ;)
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  457. # [20:33] <mokush> how do you guys mark up phone numbers? itemprop="tel"?
  458. # [20:33] <Ms2ger`> Not at all
  459. # [20:35] <mokush> Ms2ger`: well how?
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  473. # [21:03] <tw2113> i use the microforat version, not the html5 microdata
  474. # [21:04] <tw2113> microformat*
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  483. # [21:24] <techrush> anyone watched the lynda.com html5 tutorial stuff
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  516. # [22:36] <grantg> omg, IE10 has the file api!?!
  517. # [22:36] <grantg> AND WEBWORKERS!
  518. # [22:37] <grantg> SHITTING BRIX
  519. # [22:37] <grantg> MicroSoft is implementing modern js apis. :O
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  521. # [22:39] <Peter`> Why did you capitalize the "S" in Microsoft?
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  523. # [22:39] <grantg> Because I still see people type Micro-Soft and that imprints on me. :P
  524. # [22:39] <Peter`> So you join them? :-P
  525. # [22:40] <grantg> And to make the MS stand out. :P
  526. # [22:40] <Peter`> And yeah, they're doing great work on IE10 (IE9 is great too)
  527. # [22:40] <grantg> File API means you can now load in files right into js from the user's desktop
  528. # [22:40] <grantg> So you can do word processing
  529. # [22:40] <grantg> without requiring a server
  530. # [22:41] <grantg> for processing the submitd
  531. # [22:41] <grantg> *submits
  532. # [22:41] <grantg> Also JS GBA uses webworkers, so this makes it way better on IE10 now.
  533. # [22:42] <grantg> It does lazy patching of optimized inlines.
  534. # [22:43] <grantg> and optimizes out unnecessary cpu flag computations (if the next instructions recompute them without using them for the recomputation)
  535. # [22:43] <grantg> :)
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  537. # [22:44] <grantg> brb
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  553. # [22:54] <thatryan> is there a decent css3 room?
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  577. # [23:24] <cgcardona> thatryan: gasp! don't you know that HTML5 is a super over reaching term that includes css3 and a grip of other new web standards?!
  578. # [23:25] <cgcardona> this is the room for css3
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  580. # [23:25] <thatryan> lol I was gonna let it slide ;)
  581. # [23:25] <cgcardona> ;)
  582. # [23:25] <thatryan> why would the initial run of a transition cause a "flash" on screen?
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  584. # [23:26] <cgcardona> do you have an example online?
  585. # [23:26] <thatryan> almost lol
  586. # [23:26] <thatryan> redoing my own site
  587. # [23:27] <tw2113> what? you don't trust us to see half finished work?
  588. # [23:27] <thatryan> its local! haha
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  590. # [23:27] <tw2113> i think opera has tools for that
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