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# Session Start: Tue Jul 05 00:00:00 2011
# Session Ident: #html5
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# [01:23] <cgcardona> http://gplus.to/
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# [01:35] <amid_hasan> hi
# [01:36] <amid_hasan> I need to detect a touch event using html5. Vertical and then horizontal continuous touch event in the shape of an L. X & Y axis. How can I do this with HTML5?
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# [01:52] <Ali> lo
# [01:54] <Ali> cgcardona, rubbing in the g+ :P, i cant wait till they open that back up
# [01:55] <cgcardona> heh, not rubbing it in. Just showing that until google does something about the wack UID's (https://plus.google.com/106993790975969476239) there is a service offering a shortener
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# [02:21] <cgcardona> Ali: pm me your gmail adress and i'll send you an invite
# [02:22] <cgcardona> not sure what the status is but I've been able to get at least 10 probably more people in
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# [02:23] <cgcardona> *address
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# [02:23] <tw2113> like me
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# [02:23] <cgcardona> ;)
# [02:23] <cgcardona> you're always in my friend
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# [06:30] <amid_hasan> whats the proper way to write a mailto link with subject and body pre-filled?
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# [11:16] <stefuNz> hi. can i put a text over a html5 video ?
# [11:17] <beevi7> what do you mean with "over"?
# [11:17] <beevi7> absolutely positioned�
# [11:17] <beevi7> ?
# [11:17] <stefuNz> i mean: on top
# [11:17] <stefuNz> :)
# [11:17] <jetienne> stefuNz: yes, use z-index
# [11:18] <stefuNz> ok, is it crossbrowser compatible ?
# [11:18] <jetienne> yes, if you got <video> you get a modern browser
# [11:18] <dr0id> xD
# [11:18] <stefuNz> k. thank you jetienne
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# [11:25] <beevi7> anyone here working in the san francisco bay area?
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# [12:55] <muszek> hi... I'm getting a "reference to undeclared general entity nbsp" (w3c validator) when I'm using &nbps; in my code. What to do with it?
# [12:57] <dr0id>  
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# [13:05] <muszek> I still had xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" attribute in <html> tag
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# [13:16] <dr0id> COngrats!
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# [13:24] <muszek> :)
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# [14:58] <vier> anyone using Chrome Canary?
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# [16:27] <BitBlitz> hiring peeps
# [16:27] <BitBlitz> PM if interested
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# [16:28] <paul_irish> brb pm'ing
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# [16:31] <dr0id> BitBlitz: also try #freelance if interested :)
# [16:32] <dr0id> what kind of hiring btw ?
# [16:34] <Ali> paul_irish is in the job market eh?
# [16:34] <Ali> ;)
# [16:34] <dr0id> :P
# [16:35] <Ali> Google has an office in the building next door to our place, come work from that office for a week and you can interview where I work Paul. No guarantees but I think we could make a spot for you (though my boss would probably fire me to make it for you :/)
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# [16:37] <Ali> we just filled our team but eh
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# [17:00] <cgcardona> Ladies and Gentlemen I present "Boombox for Chrome™" Take your boombox across the web. https://audiofile.cc/chrome/
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# [17:12] <moo-_-> cgcardona: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yvEYKRF5IA
# [17:13] <cgcardona> holy crap. Thats how I look too ;)
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# [17:13] <cgcardona> that video rules
# [17:14] <moo-_-> hehe :)
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# [17:31] <danbeam> hey
# [17:33] <NetRoY> hey
# [17:33] <cgcardona> hola
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# [17:34] <NetRoY> bonjour
# [17:35] <danbeam> haha
# [17:35] <danbeam> I mainly did that to check for messages from bots, but hello to you too cgcardona and NetRoY :)
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# [17:35] <cgcardona> Konnichiwa ;)
# [17:35] <danbeam> cgcardona: did you see this? http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/04/mark-zuckerberg-is-the-most-followed-user-on-google/
# [17:36] <NetRoY> namaste :)
# [17:36] <shwetank_> NetRoY: Namaste!
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# [17:37] <NetRoY> :D he he
# [17:37] <NetRoY> merhaba
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# [17:38] <danbeam> guten morgen?
# [17:38] <NetRoY> its night here
# [17:38] <cgcardona> danbeam: i did. Crazy. I wonder if he is using it a bunch internally with friends?
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# [17:39] <NetRoY> zuck is at the top coz almost everyone seems to have added him in a circle
# [17:39] <danbeam> cgcardona: it's kinda weird that he is so followed (if it even is him) because he's never actually put out any content, as far as I can tell
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# [17:40] <cgcardona> he supposedly texted scoble and said "why do people find it so strange that I have a google account?"
# [17:40] <cgcardona> implying that it was in fact him
# [17:40] <danbeam> haha
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# [17:42] <danbeam> cgcardona: you think gplus.to is Google run?
# [17:42] <cgcardona> i don't think so but I gotta guess that they are gonna do something about those awful UIDs soon
# [17:42] <danbeam> yeah
# [17:43] <danbeam> I'm hesitant to give them my info, thinking that they'll sell my email to folks
# [17:43] <danbeam> but whatever, I guess that's why I have a spam bucket
# [17:43] <NetRoY> shwetank_: is this shwetank from opera ?
# [17:43] <shwetank_> ya :)
# [17:43] <NetRoY> shwetank_: cool ... :)
# [17:44] <shwetank_> i've come here after a while
# [17:45] <cgcardona> danbeam: true. I foolishly pasted my info in there without considering it.
# [17:45] <danbeam> cgcardona: probably being over cautious
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# [17:46] <danbeam> cgcardona: ran a whois on that domain and got nothing, and my hacker senses tingled
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# [17:46] <danbeam> cgcardona: but I don't know what's required for a .to TLD
# [17:46] <NetRoY> shwetank_: hows work ... u in chandigarh ?
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# [17:46] <shwetank_> yup ... right now i am ... going good
# [17:47] <dwebb> it is not owned by google
# [17:47] <shwetank_> NetRoy: Have I met you before?
# [17:47] <NetRoY> shwetank_: we met at doctypehtml5 in bangalore last year
# [17:47] <shwetank_> ah, cool :)
# [17:48] <danbeam> dwebb: word
# [17:48] <NetRoY> shwetank_: nothing that u'd remember .. just hi & all
# [17:48] <shwetank_> I might be coming to Bangalore on the 16th for another conf .... that is probably in the NIMHANS convention center
# [17:48] <dwebb> danbeam· number
# [17:49] <danbeam> dwebb: at first I was like :|, but then I was like :D
# [17:51] <Ali> cgcardona, nice work on boombox btw
# [17:51] <cgcardona> Ali: thanks :)
# [17:51] <Ali> i might have a good application for the player
# [17:51] <NetRoY> shwetank_: hasgeek is doing "php in the cloud" this saturday
# [17:52] <shwetank_> yup, i cant make it to that event .... it looks like a kickass event though, have fun there :)
# [17:52] <Ali> the only thing i usually dislike about .js scripts to link is when they require jquery and such, would like them to be standalone, how much work would that require you think? (i havent viewed source yet)
# [17:53] <cgcardona> your talking about boombox.js? It relies pretty heavily on jquery and would need to be rewritten to not use
# [17:54] <Ali> yea
# [17:54] <Ali> i just opened up the source now
# [17:54] <danbeam> Ali, cgcardona it'd be pretty cool if you could link/compile JS libs into your scripts, right? like a C++ compiler does
# [17:54] <danbeam> and compile off the stuff you don't use in that lib (if possible)
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# [17:55] <cgcardona> part of the idea with audiofile.js and boombox.js was to make it as easy as possible for people to use the service so I went with jQuery. Also it's serving as a jumping off point for me to learn more JS. And since my JS skillz are pretty newbish jquery helped me out quite a bit also ;)
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# [17:55] <cgcardona> danbeam: yeah that seems like a great idea
# [17:56] <danbeam> cgcardona: yeah, it'd be cool but there are some issues, first of which is that it's moderately hard, :)
# [17:56] <cgcardona> heh right
# [17:57] <danbeam> cgcardona: second of which is that you'd want to know what env your scripts are running in and have some way of looking at what other modules/libs/script segments are already in your page
# [17:57] <danbeam> cgcardona: and if you're making a compiler, you'd probably want to bundle your stuff in only 1 scope, which pretty much makes it impossible to reuse
# [17:57] <danbeam> but maybe not
# [17:58] <danbeam> Rebecca Murphey talked about having a standard lib in JS at JSConf, but I'm not sure it gained traction
# [17:58] <danbeam> (like an STL for JS)
# [17:58] <danbeam> that'd be pretty sweet
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# [18:00] <Ali> I could see it as being neat, but I don't see it gaining much support any time soon
# [18:01] <Ali> it's easy enough to just link to cdn's and such
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# [18:08] <Ali> cgcardona, is there an easy way to add a "progress bar" for audio content so you can also click to jump forward and backward in the audio file to this. I am very unfamiliar with the Audio API so not sure if what I'm seeking is something easy or not.
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# [18:13] <cgcardona> there is a <progress> tag though I'm not sure about the current support. You can get song.currectTime which will allow you to create your own custom scrub bar with js.
# [18:14] <Ali> can you move the audio to a point in time on click though with the audio API?
# [18:15] <Ali> if your bar is 100px wide and you click on 96th px or something jump to 96%, or do tooltips and drag and drop where it lists "2:33" when dragging and so on?
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# [18:16] <cgcardona> I think I know what you mean. yeah you can move the audio to anypoint in the track by doing audioElement.currenTime = timeYouWant;
# [18:16] <cgcardona> *currentTime
# [18:16] <cgcardona> so if you did the math and your js new that 96px = 96% of the original song length then yeah you could set the time to that point on click
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# [18:17] <danbeam> cgcardona: I'm at audiofile.cc/boombox in Chromium and clicking play/pause/prev/next isn't doing anything for me at full volume -- is my platform not supported?
# [18:18] <cgcardona> i just found out about that this morning in #web. I haven't tested chromium. Only chrome, FF, safari, Opera, and IE9
# [18:18] <cgcardona> da^
# [18:18] <cgcardona> danbeam: ^
# [18:18] <danbeam> ah
# [18:18] <danbeam> ok
# [18:18] <cgcardona> I (wrongly) just assumed that if it worked in chrome it worked in chromium
# [18:18] <cgcardona> guess not
# [18:18] <danbeam> was wondering why the boombox extension wasn't doing much either
# [18:18] <cgcardona> heh
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# [18:19] <danbeam> cgcardona: yeah, working in Chrome on same system
# [18:19] <danbeam> weird
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# [18:20] <danbeam> cgcardona: P.S. are you wrapping the HTML5 audio/video engines or using them more directly? (I'm looking for some potential code to cop for Y! Media Player's HTML5 engine in the future, :D)
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# [18:21] <danbeam> cgcardona: nvm, just starting looking at your source, ;)
# [18:21] <FollowerofMendax> am desgining website and started using gradient backgrounds, they only show up on firefox same with the favicon any help?
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# [18:22] <cgcardona> danbeam: please let me know if you have any questions
# [18:23] <tw2113> :D
# [18:23] <danbeam> cgcardona: btw, you know this isn't totally global, right? // Create a global BOOMBOX object to hold all of the global vars.
# [18:23] <tw2113> i get to tell myself to "suit up" today and will likely do it in Barney Stinson's voice
# [18:23] <danbeam> cgcardona: var BOOMBOX = {}; // this is inside self-executing anonymous func
# [18:24] <cgcardona> so I don't need to assign all the vars to BOOMBOX to make them non global?
# [18:24] <cgcardona> danbeam: ^
# [18:25] <danbeam> cgcardona: they're global to the func, but they're not exposed to outer scope -- so if this is what you want, that's cool
# [18:25] <danbeam> cgcardona: I looked futher and you're using it like a jQuery plugin anyways, right? (that's the intented API?)
# [18:25] <cgcardona> yep
# [18:26] <danbeam> cgcardona: you'd rather people call $('#blah').boombox('method') than BOOMBOX.methods.method, right?
# [18:27] <tw2113> hey you two, stop talking to each other and talk to me for a second
# [18:27] <danbeam> tw2113: wat
# [18:27] <danbeam> tw2113: :P
# [18:27] <tw2113> what are some good questions to ask interviewee to interviewer?
# [18:27] <tw2113> for a web dev position
# [18:27] <danbeam> tw2113: that's a long question, dude
# [18:27] <cgcardona> tech stack?
# [18:27] <cgcardona> dev team size?
# [18:27] <cgcardona> engineers to bus dev ratio
# [18:27] <tw2113> i think i'd be one of the primary people, they have lots of designers
# [18:27] <cgcardona> levels of managers between you and the main boss
# [18:28] <tw2113> tech stack would be a good one
# [18:28] <tw2113> and how frequently updated
# [18:28] <danbeam> tw2113: except that this can change at a moments notice
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# [18:29] <tw2113> i have 5 so far
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# [18:30] <tw2113> how involved will i be in early planning stages, primary job duties, like PSD->html/wp/cms or would I be doing some other things like custom functionality or client specific plugins etc, expected turnaround time for both small and large projects, company policy regarding browser depth support, and how comfortable my potential coworkers are with the platforms/cmses i'll be using frequently
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# [18:34] <cgcardona> danbeam: as it's written right now the api for people calling the methods themselves is not correct. Yeah considering that people aren't just pluggin and playing the API you mentioned is a better choice
# [18:34] <cgcardona> i ran into a problem with audiofile.js where I wasn't implementing the jquery plugin correctly and when someone called a method they had to pass in an empty string as the first argument to take the place of the settings object literal. I need to understand how that's done a bit better
# [18:35] <danbeam> cgcardona: it just might be easier for people to use an API if it's as loosely coupled as possible
# [18:35] <cgcardona> tw2113: that looks like a good list
# [18:35] <cgcardona> right
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# [18:39] <tw2113> bbs, need to shower before suiting up :D
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# [18:41] <danbeam> cgcardona: you'll get to see my boombox soon enough, :) (OK, totally not *mine*, but Yahoo!'s heh)\
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# [18:41] <cgcardona> danbeam: please let me know when it's live
# [18:41] <danbeam> cgcardona: I will, :)
# [18:42] <danbeam> cgcardona: in the mean time, this was the group before me's idea of an API -- not complete but not bad -- http://mediaplayer.yahoo.com/api/
# [18:42] <cgcardona> cool thanks
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# [18:44] <danbeam> cgcardona: it's a tiny bit unreliable at the moment, as it's now considered legacy, but it's something that's worth thinking about if you want to let others find cool/hacky ways to use your player
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# [19:23] <tw2113> ooh cgcardona another good question just came to mind
# [19:23] <tw2113> "what are your opinions and support levels for employees to attend conferences related to their position"
# [19:24] <danbeam> tw2113: good one, :)
# [19:24] <danbeam> tw2113: I ask this as well
# [19:25] <cgcardona> tw2113: great question
# [19:25] <thatryan> tw2113 stupid question you fail life!
# [19:25] <thatryan> ;)
# [19:25] <tw2113> you fail at epic mug collecting thatryan
# [19:25] <thatryan> lol
# [19:26] <cgcardona> lolz
# [19:27] <tw2113> i'm up to 7 questions
# [19:28] <cgcardona> tw2113: picture of you in a suit?
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# [19:28] <tw2113> i'll get suited up early enough to snap and post a picture to twitter/g+
# [19:28] <cgcardona> nice
# [19:28] <tw2113> sadly, it's a bit tighter than i remembr last year about this time
# [19:29] <tw2113> i'z not as skinny
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# [19:29] <tw2113> dang, it's nearing a year since I stopped wearing a badge for citibank security
# [19:29] <cgcardona> celebration in order?
# [19:30] <tw2113> hopefully, i called my last dev job a late birthday present, since i got it the week after my birthday in august
# [19:30] <tw2113> hopefully i can call this one an early gift
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# [19:34] <tw2113> best part is that i'm pretty confident
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# [19:43] <danbeam> lolwut
# [19:44] <tw2113> dwebb didn't want to embarrass himself in front of everyone in #wordpress
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# [19:44] <dwebb> yes, sorry.. it's a /fedora thing
# [19:44] <danbeam> ah
# [19:44] <danbeam> k
# [19:45] * danbeam is not sure whether he's glad or mad he doesn't use Fedora anymore
# [19:45] <cgcardona> hah lolz
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# [19:45] <dwebb> we've got a broken arrow!
# [19:46] <tw2113> that too, i forgot you sport the fedora linux
# [19:46] <tw2113> it was too superior to you dan
# [19:47] <danbeam> Ubuntu now
# [19:47] <danbeam> I like having more than 1,000 users of my platform, :P
# [19:47] <tw2113> sounds about right :P
# [19:48] <tw2113> that's shuttleworth's marketing hype
# [19:48] <dwebb> heh
# [19:49] <dwebb> i use centos on this system for dev work
# [19:49] <danbeam> I don't care who did it -- whatever gets me a working solution in 1 google search / fresh packages in my repo / new software all the time
# [19:49] <dwebb> i use fedora on my netbook now and my spare laptop
# [19:49] <danbeam> Fedora/RHEL/CentOS are all good, just found Ubuntu more suitable to my needs in the long run
# [19:50] <dwebb> your need for "brown" ?
# [19:50] <dwebb> ;)
# [19:50] <danbeam> Debian/Ubuntu/Mint** etc.
# [19:50] <dwebb> yea, distro-war type junk is so pointless
# [19:50] <danbeam> that's Gnome that's brown, no (not Ubuntu)? anyways, I'm colorblind, heh
# [19:50] <danbeam> dwebb: indeed
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# [19:50] <dwebb> no one ever "wins" and everyone looks like they have assy nipples
# [19:51] * danbeam is not sure what assy nipples means but is pretty confident dwebb may have a neckbeard
# [19:51] <dwebb> hahaha
# [19:51] <dwebb> a chicken cobble
# [19:52] <dwebb> big ol' red flappy skin
# [19:52] <tw2113> i still haven't fully gotten into gnome3
# [19:52] <tw2113> i reverted back to fluxbox
# [19:52] <Ali> I prefer Ubuntu, but I use OSX at work and have a MBP so I'm on that the majority of time.
# [19:52] <dwebb> i reverted to xfce
# [19:52] <Ali> Ubuntu does everything I need, but there is really no point to the "distro-wars" just people flaming pointlessly
# [19:53] <tw2113> i get the feeling i'll be back on macs if i land this job
# [19:53] <dwebb> i used that before, but i started with gnome in like 1998 when i worked at micron
# [19:53] <Ali> RHE/CentOS have some cred for servers and security, Fedora, Debian, Gentoo, etc... all good
# [19:53] <tw2113> thus once again consistently confusing myself for the first part of the day and then right away once i get home
# [19:53] <tw2113> oh yeah, i need to use the pretzel key here at work
# [19:53] <Ali> Ubuntu just has a generally bigger community so easier to do most normal tasks etc... Linux is Linux
# [19:53] <tw2113> oh yeah, i can go back to ctrl now that i'm home
# [19:53] <dwebb> each problem demands a unique solution
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# [19:53] <Ali> "At least it;s not Windows"
# [19:54] <dwebb> like like no relationship is the same
# [19:54] <dwebb> *just like
# [19:54] <dwebb> i have type stutter tourettes
# [19:54] <danbeam> Ali, dwebb: ya and ya
# [19:54] <danbeam> t-t-t-t-t-today junior
# [19:54] <Ali> w-w-what did you say?
# [19:55] <dwebb> assy nipple!
# [19:55] <Ali> i noticed these channel logs get posted online and come up pretty high in google searches... wont be long before that becomes a common catch phrase dwebb.
# [19:55] <tw2113> i wonder how fast i could superimpose my face on barney stinson
# [19:56] <Ali> maybe we can be more careful about catch phrases generated in here :/
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# [19:56] <sharustar> anyone happen to know when there gonna open the gates to google plus
# [19:56] <tw2113> 42
# [19:56] <dwebb> Ali· haha
# [19:57] <dwebb> Ali· you'll have to credit the jerky boys
# [19:57] <cgcardona> sharustar: I read on g+ that they are slowly opening them now. Have you checked recently?
# [19:57] <dwebb> "sol rosenberg" came up with assy nipples like 20 years ago
# [19:57] <dwebb> he's the guy who plays "mort" on family guy
# [19:57] <dwebb> sol is just another of his characters
# [19:57] <tw2113> oh 80s crude comedy albums
# [19:57] <dwebb> ;)
# [19:58] <dwebb> i just played "bad ass massage" from jerky boys 3 this morning for my niece and nephews
# [19:58] <dwebb> they're all from 5 - 11
# [19:58] <tw2113> were they shocked or bored?
# [19:58] <dwebb> they loved it
# [19:58] <tw2113> timeless
# [19:58] <dwebb> my sister is pretty cool with them so they're comical
# [19:58] <tw2113> now to introduce them to the butthole surfers?
# [19:58] <dwebb> haha
# [19:59] <dwebb> i loaded up like 35gb of music on a netbook and gave it to the 11 year old
# [19:59] <dwebb> everything from punk to jazz
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# [20:00] <dwebb> gave him a bunch of my fav movies as a kid, flash gordon, clockwork orange, clash of the titans
# [20:00] <Ali> cgcardona, i got your email the other day with the post you shared but it still didn't work
# [20:00] <cgcardona> Ali: have you tried recently? If you got the email then you got invited
# [20:00] <Ali> They're landing page even says sorry if you have a straight out invite "Already invited? We've temporarily exceeded our capacity. Please try again soon."
# [20:00] <dwebb> hey tw2113 id the 3.2 update screw with your admin panel css at all?
# [20:01] <Ali> one second ill try again
# [20:01] <sharustar> Ali: you talking about g+
# [20:01] <tw2113> not that i've seen, but i kind of updated then logged out to do other things
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# [20:02] <dwebb> tw2113· must be my fluency admin plugin then
# [20:02] <Ali> sharustar, yes
# [20:02] * tw2113 went bare faced for a little while
# [20:02] <tw2113> i didn't think a goatee would loop the best for the interview
# [20:03] <dwebb> i will never shave my goatee
# [20:03] <dwebb> it's small now
# [20:03] <dwebb> well trimmed
# [20:04] <Ali> cgcardona, still not working, when I click on your name I can see your profile but I also get a popup bar at the top in yellow that says "There was a problem completing this action. Please try again."
# [20:04] <cgcardona> tw2113: with no goatee and in a suit. Now I gotta see a pic
# [20:04] <tw2113> and you will
# [20:04] <dwebb> a goatee says "hey, i have a goatee"
# [20:04] <dwebb> which i do.
# [20:04] <tw2113> the interview is in an hour and it takes maybe 20 minutes to get to the place including some lobby waiting time
# [20:05] <dwebb> tw2113· we talkin' matrix lobby scene?
# [20:05] <cgcardona> what do you see at plus.google.com Ali ?
# [20:05] <tw2113> sidenote: i wish i knew exactly how valid Cracked was http://www.cracked.com/article_19317_7-pieces-good-news-nobody-reporting.html
# [20:05] <sharustar> there splash page :)
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# [20:06] <sharustar> the reason we get there splash page is due to the fact of there marketing strategy. The rollout is going to be somewhat slow
# [20:06] <sharustar> it increases the hype
# [20:06] <sharustar> http://www.chrisbrogan.com/googleplus50/
# [20:07] <sharustar> slow roll outs with minimal users from each country - this allows a better understanding of how it's going to be used, and utilized per individual society and geographical area. Thus far, it seems asian counties are the largest groups.
# [20:08] <Ali> cgcardona, There was a problem completing this action. Please try again.
# [20:08] <Ali> blah
# [20:08] <Ali> cgcardona, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/31016167/screenshot.png
# [20:08] <cgcardona> really? strange
# [20:08] <sharustar> Ali: your not going to be able to get in right now. Read above
# [20:08] <cgcardona> "Already invited? We've temp. exceeded our capacity..." in the bottom right
# [20:09] <cgcardona> My wife saw that screen even after she got an invitation also. but one random time she tried and it let her in
# [20:09] <Ali> Yea, that's been there since I first visited without an invite.
# [20:09] <Ali> cgcardona, so just refresh spam it!
# [20:09] <sharustar> its because they open the gates here and there.
# [20:10] <sharustar> like i said it keeps the hype up...overrates the project :)
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# [20:19] <Ali> I can understand "hyping up" normal projects but a Social Networking project is successful by the numbers of your friends/contacts/etc are also on it
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# [20:19] <Ali> So I would have to disagree with not just opening up the flood gates full bore for G+
# [20:20] <tw2113> oy, it's a warm day out, i'm going to have on 3 layers. undershirt, shirt, an jacket
# [20:20] <tw2113> i'm going to die
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# [20:20] <Ali> you could, well, not wear the jacket?
# [20:21] <tw2113> but then i wouldn't look as awesome
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# [20:21] <tw2113> i'll hold off on the jacket until i get here
# [20:21] <tw2113> there*
# [20:21] <Ali> i'm not convinced that being all sweaty does either
# [20:23] <sharustar> tw2113: where do you live?
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# [20:28] <cgcardona> who wants to help me get this to the front page of hacker news? http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2730931
# [20:29] <tw2113> south dakota usa
# [20:29] <BrianBlakely> I HAVE BEEN TO YOUR "West Coast"
# [20:30] <BrianBlakely> AND I APPROVE
# [20:30] <BrianBlakely> YOU MAY ENTER THE GALACTIC FEDERATION UNDER PROVISIONAL STATUS
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# [20:38] <BrianBlakely> Anyone here use Cloud9?
# [20:38] <BrianBlakely> If so, please convert me; I have questions.
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# [20:39] <BrianBlakely> Want to stop using apps tied to an OS
# [20:39] <cgcardona> on the second page of hacker news. almost there!
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# [20:40] <tw2113> about to tweet the pic, and then i'm out of hee
# [20:40] <tw2113> here
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# [20:42] <Ali> BrianBlakely, cloud9ide has yet to convert me, i'm still liking netbeans which is cross OS
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# [20:43] <Ali> Cloud9 would be "good enough" if you were running Chrome OS or something though, or on a 10 year old computer, Win98 and all.
# [20:43] <Ali> ;)
# [20:43] <BrianBlakely> Ali: Can you edit… like.. local files with Cloud9?
# [20:45] <Ali> I only trialed it, but I did make a comment that Cloud9 would need a virtual local environment to be useful so you could have www.cloud9ide.com/username/projectname or something and see what youre deving live
# [20:45] <Ali> but afaik it doesnt have anything to dev files on your hard drive
# [20:45] <BrianBlakely> Urrggg
# [20:45] <BrianBlakely> Not good
# [20:45] <BrianBlakely> Thank you sir :)
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# [20:46] <Ali> The point of a Cloud IDE would be to do everything in the cloud I would assume BrianBlakely
# [20:46] <Ali> So I wouldn't see lack of editing files on your hard drive as a limitation or missing feature etc of this product
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# [20:51] <Ali> If Cloud9 becomes what it should be I would love to use that with SVN to have cloud9ide.com/ali/project1 (dev) or even possibly an IP with vhost built into their site that would allow me to host file dev.somesite.com (dev) -> qa.somesite.com (qa) -> www.somesite.com (prod)
# [20:52] <Ali> it's the local environment part that really makes it hard for me to see a cloud ide really excelling unless they really do it right and let you choose Tomcat versions, run ant/maven builds, run LAMP for anther project etc all under one account etc
# [20:52] <Ali> host filing is convenient so i can do a dev.* domain but not completely required
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# [20:55] <moo-_-> LAMP sucks :)
# [20:55] <moo-_-> it's cloooooud nowadays :)
# [20:56] <Ms2ger> Cloud on LAMP?
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# [20:58] <moo-_-> anything which is hardwired to Apache or MySQL sucks :)
# [20:58] <moo-_-> e.g. htaccess or MySQL specific SQL queries
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# [20:58] <sedovsek> Why do you think so?
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# [20:59] <sedovsek> (MySQL Specific queries)
# [20:59] <moo-_-> sedovsek: because there might be a day that you really don't want to run MySQL anymore
# [20:59] <moo-_-> I have had many such of days in my life
# [21:00] <moo-_-> and there nowadays exist decent ORM frameworks
# [21:00] <moo-_-> so doing SQL-by-hand has no excuse
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# [21:00] <sedovsek> You can run ORM frameworks on apache and use MySQL as your database.
# [21:01] <moo-_-> yes
# [21:01] <sedovsek> Although I never actually transported data to another database.
# [21:01] <moo-_-> but if you don't use any ORM and if your application logic depends on apache configs
# [21:01] <sedovsek> And I think noone actually does that.
# [21:01] <moo-_-> then it sucks
# [21:01] <Ali> I think Zend Framework 2.0 was using Doctrine by default isn't it?
# [21:01] <Ali> it's in beta release iirc
# [21:02] <sedovsek> You could use doctrine, yes.
# [21:02] <moo-_-> sedovsek: easier use case
# [21:02] <moo-_-> you want to switch of nginx over apache
# [21:02] <moo-_-> for performance
# [21:02] <moo-_-> of/to
# [21:03] <Ali> the only reliance on .htaccess is for mod_rewrite, but you can easily fix that if you switch hosting and such
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# [21:03] <Ali> Since code doesn't rely at all on those settings
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# [21:03] <moo-_-> Ali: then you have good code :)
# [21:04] <sedovsek> In either case you'll need to configure a server.
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# [21:06] <sedovsek> Besides... there is node.js web server which is *very* specific. Would you say node.js also sucks for the same reason?
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# [21:25] <uf0_work> gentlemen, what code editor do you recommened or best one out there
# [21:25] <uf0_work> ?
# [21:25] <uf0_work> i mainly a html/css dev fyi
# [21:25] <nlogax> emacs
# [21:25] <swalk> vim
# [21:25] <nlogax> FIGHT
# [21:26] <uf0_work> been looking at coda and textmate
# [21:27] <nlogax> textmate has been dead for years
# [21:27] <uf0_work> k
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# [21:27] <nlogax> or on life support at least
# [21:27] <obert-> textmate wasnt a OSX thing?
# [21:28] <uf0_work> i'm on mac by the way
# [21:28] <Ali> gEdit!
# [21:28] <Ali> they have a version for Mac!
# [21:28] <Ali> but it's default on Gnome
# [21:29] <uf0_work> ok.
# [21:29] <obert-> textmate is dead?
# [21:29] <Ali> ...personally I just use Netbeans 7, it has good syntax checking, highlighting, code completion, tab management and it recognizes html5 tags etc
# [21:29] * Ali prefers Netbeans 7 (IDE), gEdit (editor)
# [21:29] <uf0_work> yea i def need html5/css3 support
# [21:30] <swalk> pretty much any good editor does
# [21:30] <Ali> true
# [21:30] <swalk> check out sublime 2
# [21:30] <uf0_work> k
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# [21:31] <Ali> uf0, more importantly what kind of work flow are you using? -> will you be using a local dev environment.. using git, svn, etc?
# [21:31] <Ali> is it a j2ee site? are you deploying on tomcat? or what?
# [21:32] <Ali> Some full IDE's have better support for some if that stuff, and there are plugins for things like HTML/CSS/JS code completion and syntax highlighting etc
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# [21:32] <Ali> J2EE/Spring/Maven sites deployed on Tomcat etc... I would recommend STS/Eclipse with some plugins probably.
# [21:32] <Ali> Netbeans is good for most everything else imo, though it's very much preference
# [21:32] <uf0_work> Ali: I use alot of svn
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# [21:33] <uf0_work> have to commit files etc..
# [21:33] <uf0_work> mainly use for html/js/css
# [21:33] <uf0_work> and php
# [21:33] <Ali> If you want built in SVN instead of using a separate SVN client then you'll need to look into a "full IDE" like Netbeans, Eclipse, Web/PHP/etc/Storm (IntelliJ), etc
# [21:34] <Ms2ger> Who the hell wants SVN?
# [21:34] <obert-> everybody
# [21:34] <Ali> PHP based projects where your main concern is HTML/CSS/JS I would suggest Netbeans 7. I've never used Sublime and such but Netbeans will do you good.
# [21:34] <Ms2ger> I don't
# [21:34] <Ms2ger> hg <3
# [21:34] <obert-> how do you backups? copy and paste folders for n times?:)
# [21:35] <Ali> Well, most IDE's support other versioning systems such as Git...
# [21:35] <uf0_work> got it thanks guys
# [21:35] <sedovsek> uf0_work: Asking this question on #html5 was clearly a bad idea. :P
# [21:35] <Ali> obert-, he meant non-svn versioning systems, which still do versioning and such
# [21:36] <uf0_work> sedovsek: why's that?
# [21:36] <sedovsek> I suggest you try both of them and just see which one *feels* better for you.
# [21:36] <obert-> thought about the whole thing:)
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# [21:36] <obert-> mercurial is my prefer thing
# [21:36] <Ali> sedovsek, what's the best backend programming language? best linux distro? firefox or chrome? oh and favorite food?
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# [21:36] <sedovsek> Ali: Exactly!
# [21:37] <Ms2ger> Firefox, obv :)
# [21:37] <uf0_work> maybe I should've rephrased it to..
# [21:37] <uf0_work> what's your 'favorite' ;)
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# [21:37] <uf0_work> instead of beat
# [21:37] <uf0_work> best**
# [21:38] <Ali> improved vocabulary++;
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# [21:38] <uf0_work> lol
# [21:39] <Ali> Ms2ger, I dunno - I don't think anything can beat my IE6 or IE7 running in VMWare Unity
# [21:39] <sedovsek> I use jEdit on PC, textmate on Mac and vim on linux.
# [21:39] <Ms2ger> Ali++
# [21:40] <Ali> I would love if they made IE tester work natively on *nix
# [21:40] <Ali> It seems like it would have been made primarily for nix users... tbh
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# [22:23] <BrianBlakely> I have no desire to go full-monty cloud, but I want to only use web apps.
# [22:24] <BrianBlakely> Why should these two concepts be connected?
# [22:24] <BrianBlakely> That's the issue I have with Chrome OS that I haven't been able to articulate
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# [22:36] <David_Bradbury> Want to know how to make a web developer cringe?
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# [22:36] <BrianBlakely> David_Bradbury: How does one make a web developer cringe?
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# [22:36] <David_Bradbury> Ask them to make something using these effects: http://www.jansfreeware.com/articles/presentations/slide2.html (Only works in IE)
# [22:37] <David_Bradbury> eg: Be asked to use IE Page Transitions
# [22:37] <BrianBlakely> Huh… I cringed!
# [22:37] <David_Bradbury> :D
# [22:37] <BrianBlakely> But it's a good point… CSS3 can't do that!
# [22:38] <David_Bradbury> Indeed xD
# [22:38] <BrianBlakely> SVG filters on HTML content might
# [22:38] <BrianBlakely> So you have IE6/7/8/9 and FF4/5
# [22:38] <BrianBlakely> But no Webkit
# [22:38] <tw2113> danbeam cgcardona thatryan i didn't instantly get the job, and i'm not sure yet if it will be in-house or freelance style, but I am destined to come back in next week sometime(date/time pending)
# [22:39] <David_Bradbury> Ugg, figuring that out in all browsers sounds so ugly I don't even want to think about it
# [22:39] <thatryan> tw2113: congrats dude :)
# [22:40] <tw2113> so i made it to round 2! *pumps fist*
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# [22:41] <BrianBlakely> tw2113: Where's this?
# [22:41] <BrianBlakely> David_Bradbury: Probably not at all possible in Webkit, and it's difficult but doable in FF
# [22:41] <tw2113> local company
# [22:42] <David_Bradbury> BrianBlakely: Well yes, but I'd get rid of filter all together and just either do some JQuery or Canvas stuff
# [22:42] <BrianBlakely> tw2113: Well best of luck :)
# [22:42] <tw2113> thanks
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# [22:54] <cgcardona> tw2113: congrats!
# [22:55] <tw2113> i'm confident i'll get some level of work out of it, whether in-house or freelance style
# [22:55] <tw2113> although i will admit i was hoping more in-house
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# [23:11] <danbeam> tw2113: good luck, dude!
# [23:11] <danbeam> tw2113: good job so far!
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# [23:12] <tw2113> the conference stuff is encouraged when viable
# [23:13] <tw2113> the guy mentioned that if there were 5 conferences in the next 6 months or so, they'd fully encourage some of them, but not likely to get ALL of them
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# [23:48] <Danielss89> I'm trying to get html5 cache to work.. It works in google chrome, but not in firefox... http://frisr.dk/calendar <-- live example.. any idea on why it wont work in firefox?
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# [23:51] <moo-_-> Danielss89: what are the symptons?
# [23:51] <moo-_-> in firefox I get the pop-up "would you like to save?"
# [23:51] <Danielss89> thats firefox asking..
# [23:51] <Danielss89> you should press always..
# [23:51] <Danielss89> but it still doest cache anything..
# [23:52] <Danielss89> when i go offline its just like being offline on an normal website..
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# [23:52] <moo-_-> Danielss89: hmm
# [23:53] <moo-_-> you might want ask on stackoverflow.com or #firefox
# [23:53] <moo-_-> I opened manifest
# [23:53] <tw2113> localStorage: 0 items in Storage
# [23:53] <moo-_-> I don't see anything special beyond root relative URLs
# [23:53] <tw2113> in case that was part of it
# [23:53] <Jayflux> Danielss89 how are you checking in ff
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# [23:54] <Danielss89> i dont understand why it doesnt cache.. i've just tried aa html5 demo and that worked :S
# [23:54] <Jayflux> how are you telling in ff its not caching?
# [23:55] <Danielss89> it doesnt work when i go offline :D
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# [23:57] <tw2113> one thing i did notice, i don't know how feasible it is to cache google's jquery files
# [23:57] <tw2113> i may be wrong though
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# [23:59] <Danielss89> i need jquery to work in offline mode..
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