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  6. # [00:00] <tw2113> personally, in that case, i would probably get local copy that gets used and thus cached.
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  8. # [00:00] <tw2113> but if this method technically works, i learned something new
  9. # [00:00] <Danielss89> :P
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  11. # [00:01] <Danielss89> so no idea why it doesnt work in FF?
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  13. # [00:02] <tw2113> i'd have to fiddle with it for awhile and lots of reading
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  15. # [00:03] <tw2113> if i recall right, with what little experience i have in that area
  16. # [00:03] <tw2113> files need to be changed, and the cache manifest needs to be changed as well for it to refresh and whatnot
  17. # [00:04] <tw2113> not sure if that will help you, but i did it by bumping up the version number
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  19. # [00:04] <Danielss89> yes, i've done that ;) lots of times :D
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  21. # [00:05] <Danielss89> cant see why it wont work in FF but works in chrome :S
  22. # [00:05] <Danielss89> ill try in firefox
  23. # [00:06] <tw2113> learn the whole way
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  55. # [01:20] <tw2113> taylr
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  72. # [01:37] <tw2113> miketaylr throw a tomato at paul for me
  73. # [01:37] <miketaylr> tw2113: :)
  74. # [01:37] <miketaylr> DONE
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  76. # [01:38] <tw2113> :D
  77. # [01:39] <tw2113> having a good time wherever you're at miketaylr ?
  78. # [01:39] <miketaylr> tw2113: yeah, mostly trying to hack this tweet display thing
  79. # [01:40] <tw2113> i'm making my way through new rss items before checking some emails, to see if i need to boot into windows or not
  80. # [01:40] <miketaylr> mmm rss
  81. # [01:40] <tw2113> how else am i to read all my favorite blogs?
  82. # [01:41] <tw2113> and see each and every git push that paul_irish does on modernizr
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  85. # [01:47] <vier> tw2113: you got Google+?
  86. # [01:47] <vier> use Sparks
  87. # [01:48] <tw2113> yup i have it
  88. # [01:48] <vier> mm, i think i may even have you added?
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  91. # [01:49] <vier> well yeh, go to sparks, typing in "Tech" or something
  92. # [01:49] <tw2113> michael beckwith
  93. # [01:50] <vier> yeh, i have you added
  94. # [01:50] <tw2113> what am i looking for now?
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  98. # [01:54] <tw2113> booting to windows: delayed until i know what i need to do for that site
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  100. # [01:58] <vier> for what site?
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  107. # [02:07] <tw2113> one of my freelance projects
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  118. # [02:23] <vier> errrrgg.... someone tell me the microsoft excel/vb/vba channel?
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  122. # [02:27] <tw2113> i have a useless answer
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  124. # [02:27] <tw2113> that way *points*
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  126. # [02:28] <vier> useless VB and microsoft "ribbons"
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  147. # [02:53] <vier> hey, is anyone from Aus here?
  148. # [02:53] <vier> Australia, not Austria, btw
  149. # [02:53] <jovrtn> pretty sure it's Austrialia
  150. # [02:54] <jovrtn> like 99.8%
  151. # [02:54] <vier> well your wrong
  152. # [02:54] <vier> i live in Australia
  153. # [02:54] <jovrtn> the two Aus' got together and formed a supergroup
  154. # [02:54] <vier> -.-
  155. # [02:55] <vier> that is sad
  156. # [02:55] <vier> well, do you live in... Austrialia?
  157. # [02:55] <jovrtn> I guess you don't want to speak broad german
  158. # [02:55] <vier> i do actually
  159. # [02:55] <jovrtn> me too :S
  160. # [02:55] <jovrtn> i'm from Alaska
  161. # [02:55] <vier> ive actually just enrolled in german this semester (at uni)
  162. # [02:55] <jovrtn> not even close!
  163. # [02:56] <vier> haha
  164. # [02:56] <jovrtn> das ist wunderbar
  165. # [02:56] <vier> mm, i want to live in switzerland ^^
  166. # [02:57] <vier> i have an AU and UK passport, so the english passport should let me get work there
  167. # [02:57] <jovrtn> much easier for EU citizens i'm sure
  168. # [02:57] <vier> mm, love having more than 1 passport >.<
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  184. # [03:21] <danbeam> jovrtn: hallo. woher kommen sie aus?
  185. # [03:22] <jovrtn> ich komme aus Alaska :P
  186. # [03:22] <danbeam> jovrtn: oh, lol
  187. # [03:22] <danbeam> jovrtn: warum wohnen sie auf Alaska?
  188. # [03:23] <jovrtn> warum nicht?
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  191. # [03:23] <jovrtn> ich studierte in Wien fuer Univerisitaet
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  193. # [03:24] <danbeam> das ist fetch
  194. # [03:24] <danbeam> Ich will nach Wien wieder gehen
  195. # [03:25] <jovrtn> es ist eine schoene Stadt
  196. # [03:25] <danbeam> ja, sehr
  197. # [03:26] <danbeam> Ich habe ein mal gegangen (oder "Ich bin ein mal gegangen"?)
  198. # [03:26] <danbeam> we should move to PM for those that aren't into the Deutsch, :P
  199. # [03:27] <phrearch> hm this contenteditable is a big headache. any idea how to get the current text-selection event?
  200. # [03:27] <phrearch> selectstart is always lagging one behind
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  202. # [03:28] <phrearch> i need the actual selection :S
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  205. # [03:33] <tw2113> are any of you Fabio Arana?
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  214. # [04:01] <thatryan> hey guys, what do these warnings mean? how do i fix them https://skitch.com/thatryan1/fejif/ryan-olson-i-build-stuff-for-the-internet
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  227. # [04:18] <ryanseddon> thatryan: You're serving known file types with incorrect mimetypes
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  229. # [04:18] <thatryan> yeah but how do I NOT do that lol, I am not explicitly saying that anywhere
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  231. # [04:21] <ryanseddon> What version of Chrome are you using, seems like the json mime type is a regression http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=56212
  232. # [04:23] <ryanseddon> As for you .js file you'll need to setup your server to serve .js files with the right mimetype e.g. text/[java/ecma]script
  233. # [04:24] <ryanseddon> IE9 will block script files that aren't served with the correct mimetype
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  243. # [04:37] <thatryan> ryanseddon: chrome version 12.0.742.112
  244. # [04:39] <thatryan> im using the HTML5 boilerplate htaccess file...
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  246. # [04:45] <ryanseddon> So you're running an apache server?
  247. # [04:48] <thatryan> yes
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  251. # [04:52] <ryanseddon> .js should be served with the right mimetype then
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  253. # [04:53] <thatryan> that is what i thought
  254. # [04:53] <thatryan> not sure how i could have messed it up ;)
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  259. # [04:55] <willpots> how would i get the length of an html5 video in javascript
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  266. # [05:06] <ryanseddon> willpots: the video elem has a duration property to get the length
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  268. # [05:06] <ryanseddon> but you need to check the videos readyState before querying it
  269. # [05:06] <willpots> thanks ryanseddon
  270. # [05:06] <willpots> that was my problem
  271. # [05:06] <willpots> i was using duratino
  272. # [05:06] <willpots> but the video wasn't ready
  273. # [05:07] <willpots> all better now :)
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  320. # [07:05] * jacine|afk is now known as jacine
  321. # [07:07] <tw2113> i would hide from you jacine but no one is around to hide behind
  322. # [07:07] <jacine> tw2113: oh hai!
  323. # [07:07] <tw2113> if i could hide behind myself, that'd be talent
  324. # [07:07] * dr0id hides behind tw2113
  325. # [07:07] <tw2113> buuuuuuuuut i'm male
  326. # [07:07] <jacine> tw2113: I saw your pic in the suit! Where did you go today?
  327. # [07:07] <tw2113> job interview
  328. # [07:07] <jacine> oh nice! How'd it go?
  329. # [07:07] <tw2113> or i just wanted to look awesome for a couple hours
  330. # [07:08] <jacine> haha ;)
  331. # [07:08] <tw2113> well, i know that 2 of the people who should have been involved were gone today
  332. # [07:08] <tw2113> so i get to come back next week
  333. # [07:08] <jacine> sweet!
  334. # [07:08] <tw2113> and apparently most people don't wear suits to interviews anymore
  335. # [07:08] <tw2113> because i got complimented for that fact
  336. # [07:09] <tw2113> bunch of savages
  337. # [07:09] <jacine> really? well, it's good you came all decked out then.
  338. # [07:09] <dr0id> what do they wear now
  339. # [07:09] <tw2113> i would assume "business casual" style
  340. # [07:09] <tw2113> collared shirt, khakis
  341. # [07:10] <tw2113> or if they're ambitious, the suit sans outter jacket
  342. # [07:10] <tw2113> i dunno
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  344. # [07:10] <tw2113> but i spent a few months catching up with all of How I Met Your Mother, so i would have had barney in my ear going "SUIT UP DAMN IT" if i didn't
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  346. # [07:11] <thatryan> is paul_irish around?
  347. # [07:11] <tw2113> haven't seen him
  348. # [07:12] <thatryan> helpless , you are.
  349. # [07:12] <jacine> he's probably out partying.
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  351. # [07:13] <jacine> He did a presentation today here in NYC: http://www.meetup.com/doctype-html/events/22447051/
  352. # [07:13] <tw2113> i think miketaylr was there too
  353. # [07:13] * jacine didn't go, but is gonna watch the video.
  354. # [07:13] <tw2113> mike mentioned something about throwing tomatos at him and maybe divya
  355. # [07:13] <jacine> no!
  356. # [07:14] <jacine> no tomatoes! :P
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  358. # [07:15] <tw2113> was this the presentation? http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/15819869
  359. # [07:15] <tw2113> sparkle: the state of html5
  360. # [07:15] <jacine> yup, i think so.
  361. # [07:15] <tw2113> cool it's already posted
  362. # [07:15] <jacine> ;)
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  364. # [07:17] * tw2113 bookmarks for viewing in the morning
  365. # [07:17] <tw2113> or whenever i wake up
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  368. # [07:20] <tw2113> so, jacine what's the state of html5 in drupal?
  369. # [07:20] <tw2113> and how often do you smile during the day and go "ooh, i am so lucky i'm not on joomla"
  370. # [07:20] <jacine> haha :D
  371. # [07:21] <jacine> I'm working on Drupal 8, which wont be out for like 2-3 years!! :s
  372. # [07:21] <tw2113> so, still out before the spec is finished
  373. # [07:21] <jacine> But there's lots of themes that give you HTML5 now.
  374. # [07:21] <tw2113> cutting edge i tell you
  375. # [07:21] <jacine> Yeah, LOL.
  376. # [07:22] <tw2113> i refuse to use anything but the 5 doctype
  377. # [07:22] <tw2113> i may not always use the new tags
  378. # [07:22] <tw2113> but the doctype, damn it
  379. # [07:22] <jacine> Yeah.
  380. # [07:23] <jacine> Unfortunately the RDFa doctype was hardcoded in Drupal 7, so it's not the easiest change to back port. Otherwise, it'd be done already.
  381. # [07:23] <tw2113> as long as the is learning from mistakes :)
  382. # [07:23] <jacine> The code freeze was the end of 2009, so the changes we were allowed to make at that point were limited.
  383. # [07:23] <jacine> Which sucks.
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  385. # [07:24] <jacine> That's why some of us are working on this stuff now. We don't want to hear "it's too late" at all. :P
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  387. # [07:24] <tw2113> i may poke fun at drupal sometimes, but i'd send people to it before joomla
  388. # [07:25] <jacine> Drupal isn't bad ;) And it's really easy to change it to HTML5 now.
  389. # [07:25] <jacine> I swear! :P
  390. # [07:25] <tw2113> maybe someday, i may try it
  391. # [07:25] <jacine> We could teach each other ;)
  392. # [07:25] <tw2113> it's one of those free ones right?
  393. # [07:26] <jacine> haha, yup. ;)
  394. # [07:26] <tw2113> just making sure
  395. # [07:26] <tw2113> i am finding that i am not automatically putting WordPress on every domain i get
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  399. # [07:27] <jacine> I don't work with WordPress at all. I wish knew more about it.
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  401. # [07:27] <jacine> All the work I get is Drupal. For the last 5 years... Crazy, huh.
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  404. # [07:28] <techrush> i do mostly wordpress for my job but gotta learn some drupal really realy soon
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  406. # [07:28] <jacine> there's a huge, awesome community.
  407. # [07:28] <techrush> wish i could just dive right into d7 but most of the stuff we are looking at has already been started on d6 or requires a d6 only module :/
  408. # [07:29] <techrush> yea
  409. # [07:29] <jacine> Yeah... That's a pain.
  410. # [07:29] <jacine> Some of the sites I work on are Drupal 6.
  411. # [07:29] <jacine> (for the same reasons).
  412. # [07:29] <tw2113> ack
  413. # [07:29] <techrush> coming from wordpress it just feels like SO MUCH BLOAT
  414. # [07:30] <techrush> although i can see the power for managing larger sites
  415. # [07:30] <jacine> you've got to get used to it. It's a different way of doing things, but it's very flexible and powerful.
  416. # [07:30] <jacine> It takes a while to have your "a-ha" moment, but when you get it, it's awesome.
  417. # [07:31] <techrush> im more frustrated in general with spending SO much time on making things user maintainable
  418. # [07:31] <techrush> and then still having clients call you to update their CMS site
  419. # [07:31] <tw2113> :O http://mashable.com/2011/07/05/google-blogger-picasa-rebranding/
  420. # [07:31] <jacine> Yeah, I hear you... Drupal 7 is a LOT better in that regard and there are crazy plans for Drupal 8.
  421. # [07:31] <tw2113> i use neither of those products, but :O
  422. # [07:31] <jacine> It's actually really exciting.
  423. # [07:31] <techrush> cool
  424. # [07:31] <tw2113> exciting like a 40 year old at a senior citizen convention?
  425. # [07:32] <jacine> no, like HTML5 exciting!
  426. # [07:32] <tw2113> same thing
  427. # [07:32] <jacine> What bot are you guys using in here?
  428. # [07:32] <jacine> Does anyone know?
  429. # [07:32] <tw2113> ?help
  430. # [07:32] <bot-t> Get FREE A++ HELP - http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc
  431. # [07:32] <tw2113> !help
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  433. # [07:33] <tw2113> hmm
  434. # [07:33] <jacine> I think it might be the one the drupal peeps made
  435. # [07:33] <dr0id> !help
  436. # [07:34] <dr0id> you want a bot ?
  437. # [07:34] <jacine> seen tw2113
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  439. # [07:34] <dr0id> !about
  440. # [07:34] <hash-lancer> I am a Bot
  441. # [07:34] <jacine> okay maybe not.
  442. # [07:34] <jacine> :D
  443. # [07:34] <dr0id> !seen jacine
  444. # [07:34] <hash-lancer> jacine was seen 2 seconds ago saying: :D
  445. # [07:34] <jacine> ah, it's different. cool.
  446. # [07:35] <jacine> are all the commands documented somewhere?
  447. # [07:35] <tw2113> i think bot-t usually likes a ? in front
  448. # [07:35] <tw2113> ?seen jacine
  449. # [07:35] <bot-t> tw2113, Sky does not work Submenus through keyboard navigation | drupal.org - http://drupal.org/node/491810
  450. # [07:35] <dr0id> it will be, someday. only few with !h
  451. # [07:35] <tw2113> maybe not
  452. # [07:35] <hash-lancer> dr0id: FnodeBot said 52 seconds ago: Please enter your password by typing /msg FnodeBot identify <password>. For more info, type /msg FnodeBot help.
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  454. # [07:35] <jacine> wow, that is so weird.
  455. # [07:35] <dr0id> nah, that dude told me in #freelance :P
  456. # [07:36] <tw2113> ?fpi
  457. # [07:36] <bot-t> fucking paul irish! http://i.imgur.com/gpspl.png
  458. # [07:36] <jacine> LOL
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  460. # [07:36] <tw2113> ?fmb
  461. # [07:36] <bot-t> who?!?
  462. # [07:36] <tw2113> i have my own bot command :D
  463. # [07:36] <tw2113> mb = my initials
  464. # [07:36] <jacine> :P
  465. # [07:37] <jacine> does it do karma points?
  466. # [07:37] <dr0id> but the commands are easy, !rem hello world, then `hello. and umm. ... !tell hello world, then umm .... hello++ and !k hello, then ummm.... :-/ !b for bitcoin price ? :P
  467. # [07:37] <jacine> oy
  468. # [07:38] <dr0id> !g oy
  469. # [07:38] <hash-lancer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oy -- Oy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: "Oy or OY may refer to: Oy vey Oy a Yiddish exclamation of chagrin, dismay, exasperation or pain (also used in colloquial American English, due to influence ..." More Results: http://goo.gl/4sla6
  470. # [07:38] <jacine> LOL
  471. # [07:38] <dr0id> !g2 oy
  472. # [07:38] <hash-lancer> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=oy
  473. # [07:38] <dr0id> :P
  474. # [07:38] <dr0id> !k hash-lancer
  475. # [07:38] <hash-lancer> 2
  476. # [07:38] <zamabe> dr0id!
  477. # [07:38] <jacine> oh sweet :)
  478. # [07:38] <zamabe> why?
  479. # [07:38] <dr0id> zamabe!
  480. # [07:38] <zamabe> dr0id!
  481. # [07:38] <dr0id> zamabe!
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  483. # [07:39] <zamabe> chayin now!
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  485. # [07:39] <dr0id> if you are happy with the bot, do a hash-lancer++ xD
  486. # [07:40] <dr0id> !rem html5-tuts http://diveintohtml5.org/
  487. # [07:40] <hash-lancer> remembered html5-tuts
  488. # [07:41] <dr0id> `html5-tuts @ jacine
  489. # [07:41] <dr0id> `html5-tuts
  490. # [07:41] <dr0id> ?html5-tuts @ jacine
  491. # [07:41] <hash-lancer> jacine: http://diveintohtml5.org/
  492. # [07:41] <bot-t> jacine, Plugins | jQuery Plugins - With this jQuery plugin you can make suggestive slide show of images as background of your page; the images will adapt their size to the window size fitting always at the best. You can either navig... http://plugins2.jquery.com/projects/plugins?keywords=&type=All&sort_by=title
  493. # [07:41] <jacine> cool
  494. # [07:41] <jacine> that's a good one.
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  499. # [07:46] <dr0id> !c hash-lancer bot-t
  500. # [07:46] <hash-lancer> hash-lancer
  501. # [07:46] <dr0id> o/
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  503. # [07:50] <tw2113> \o/ /m\ /o/ /o\
  504. # [07:50] <tw2113> my attempt at "YMCA"
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  509. # [07:55] * tw2113 gets friendly when drinking
  510. # [07:55] <tw2113> so dr0id you better watch out
  511. # [07:55] <dr0id> ok
  512. # [07:55] <tw2113> because jacine may get hugged
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  516. # [08:01] <dr0id> !tag add tw2113 can drink a lot
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  523. # [08:11] <Guest8043> Why do Google hate JSON so much?
  524. # [08:11] <tw2113> how so?
  525. # [08:12] <Guest8043> Their JSON APIs are disgusting
  526. # [08:12] <tw2113> it's because a guy at Yahoo! helped create json
  527. # [08:12] <tw2113> aka the Crawford
  528. # [08:13] <cgcardona> Crockford <3
  529. # [08:13] <Guest8043> It's not at all...it's because they're lazy
  530. # [08:13] <dr0id> !tag add Google Lazy
  531. # [08:13] <Guest8043> so they translate th XML API into JSON
  532. # [08:13] <cgcardona> http://www.crockford.com/chuck.jpg
  533. # [08:14] <dr0id> !tags Googl
  534. # [08:14] <dr0id> !tags Google
  535. # [08:14] <hash-lancer> Lazy
  536. # [08:14] <dr0id> ;_;
  537. # [08:14] <Guest8043> so you have to do things like element["media$group"]["media$description"]["$t"]
  538. # [08:14] <dr0id> and you can parse the XML in Javascript, lol ?
  539. # [08:15] <Guest8043> why would anyone want to do that?
  540. # [08:15] <tw2113> i've kind of been converted away from xml
  541. # [08:15] <Guest8043> JavaScript has native JSON parsing for most UAs
  542. # [08:15] <Guest8043> and it maps perfectly ro javascript structure
  543. # [08:15] <Guest8043> who in their right mind would want XML over JSON?
  544. # [08:16] <tw2113> xml = too verbose
  545. # [08:16] <Guest8043> yup
  546. # [08:17] <dr0id> so what do you want ? I concluded that for you XML > JSON when you said "so they translate th XML API into JSON"
  547. # [08:18] <Guest8043> I just want to let of steam about how ugly their JSON API is
  548. # [08:18] <Guest8043> and perhaps find out why they don't have a real JSON API
  549. # [08:18] <dr0id> lul
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  551. # [08:20] <tw2113> because it's from the competition
  552. # [08:20] <tw2113> and i blame thatryan too
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  554. # [08:20] <tw2113> he had a hand in it
  555. # [08:20] <Guest8043> it's nothing to do with competition too
  556. # [08:20] <Guest8043> JSON is a standard
  557. # [08:20] <Guest8043> and it's in Chrome
  558. # [08:20] <tw2113> then it's all thatryan's fault
  559. # [08:20] <Guest8043> and it's part of ECMA 5
  560. # [08:20] <thatryan> it no my fault!
  561. # [08:20] <tw2113> he's like that, you know?
  562. # [08:21] <tw2113> he hates freedom
  563. # [08:21] <tw2113> plain and simple
  564. # [08:21] <thatryan> go answer my question on forrst
  565. # [08:22] <tw2113> make me
  566. # [08:22] <tw2113> *fronts*
  567. # [08:22] <thatryan> lol
  568. # [08:23] <dr0id> you work for google ?
  569. # [08:24] <tw2113> nah, i don't, and thatryan doesn't
  570. # [08:24] <tw2113> i am just pointing blame at him for comedic effect
  571. # [08:24] <dr0id> !tag add tw2113 comedian
  572. # [08:24] <thatryan> what was the plugin going around on twitter recently kind of like the Waypoints plugin?
  573. # [08:26] <dr0id> forrst is a def boring place
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  684. # [11:37] <Danielss89> Hi.. i'm having some trouble getting Application cache to work in FireFox... It works in chrome without any errors. Firefox doesnt give any errors either, it just dont works, i cant see anything in firebug either...
  685. # [11:38] <Danielss89> live example: http://frisr.dk/calendar
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  703. # [11:58] <xp_prg> I want to make a 3d game in the browser, what is the best way to do this using free opensource tools/libraries?
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  706. # [12:00] <jetienne> xp_prg: best is a floating notion. personnaly i like three.js
  707. # [12:01] <xp_prg> a floating notion?
  708. # [12:03] <jetienne> xp_prg: 'best' depends on you
  709. # [12:03] <jetienne> xp_prg: beauty is in the eye of the beholder
  710. # [12:04] <xp_prg> well, is it possible to make a 3d game with three.js, does it have a physics engine?
  711. # [12:04] <jetienne> nope
  712. # [12:04] <jetienne> three.js does 'only' 3D
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  714. # [12:05] <jetienne> 3D physics engines arent a clear field yet
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  716. # [12:05] <xp_prg> what if it was and you just didn't know that yet?
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  718. # [12:06] <jetienne> ? well then i didnt know about it
  719. # [12:06] <bot-t> jetienne, Sunday, 2011-06-19 - http://services.jquery.com/#jquery_20110619.log.html
  720. # [12:06] <jetienne> xp_prg: what do you mean by that
  721. # [12:07] <xp_prg> I think one exists
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  723. # [12:08] <jetienne> xp_prg: care to share ?
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  729. # [12:25] <Danielss89> Hi.. i'm having some trouble getting Application cache to work in FireFox... It works in chrome without any errors. Firefox doesnt give any errors either, it just dont works, i cant see anything in firebug either...
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  734. # [12:38] <dpy> hi guys
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  736. # [12:39] <dpy> Is there a non-obsoleted way of listening to direct subtree (max-depth=1) modifications?
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  738. # [12:41] <hemanth> trying to do HTML5 drag and drop on folders, not multiple files...not possible as of now i guess ...
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  741. # [12:47] <mike5w3c> hemanth: http://www.htmlfivewow.com/slide18
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  743. # [12:48] <mike5w3c> ah, drag and drop
  744. # [12:48] <mike5w3c> nm :)
  745. # [12:48] <hemanth> mike5w3c, wow! now need to use this with DnD :)
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  747. # [12:49] <mike5w3c> hemanth: I think dnd should be doable, just that demo doesn't use it
  748. # [12:49] <hemanth> mike5w3c, multiple webkitdirectory ;) ?
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  756. # [12:58] <hemanth> mike5w3c, it gives the relative paths
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  933. # [17:33] <theresaanna> I can't believe that I hadn't thought to pop in here sooner!
  934. # [17:33] <theresaanna> hey ericduran :D
  935. # [17:33] <ericduran> theresaanna: hey
  936. # [17:34] <ericduran> theresaanna: I'm usually lurking in here
  937. # [17:34] <theresaanna> oh and jensimmons, too. I feel late to the club
  938. # [17:34] <jensimmons> theresaanna: hello there
  939. # [17:34] <jensimmons> and ericduran too
  940. # [17:34] <theresaanna> I cut down on my lurking rooms, but am now building back up :D
  941. # [17:35] <jensimmons> yes, the three of us should have been in here months ago!!
  942. # [17:35] <theresaanna> seriously!
  943. # [17:35] <theresaanna> hello, fabulous front end folks
  944. # [17:35] <jensimmons> silly drupalism only being in #drupal-html5
  945. # [17:35] <ericduran> jensimmons, theresaanna : I've been lurking here for a very long time
  946. # [17:35] <theresaanna> pffft
  947. # [17:35] <theresaanna> jensimmons: ericduran is clearly cooler than us
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  949. # [17:35] <jensimmons> yes. he. is.
  950. # [17:35] <ericduran> theresaanna: lol this is the 1st time I actually say something in this room
  951. # [17:35] <theresaanna> congrats!
  952. # [17:35] * ericduran is not worthy enough to speak here
  953. # [17:36] <ericduran> lol
  954. # [17:36] <theresaanna> eff that, man
  955. # [17:36] <jensimmons> oh but you are ericduran, you are
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  958. # [17:37] <ericduran> ha, I spend my night building a site that has one input box which takes voice input and never returns the correct value lol, it randomly selects a choice from the 2nd best to last results set
  959. # [17:38] * ericduran stoled paul_irish idea
  960. # [17:38] <ericduran> now I just need a domain name for it.
  961. # [17:38] <jensimmons> eh?
  962. # [17:38] <jensimmons> I can't hear yoy
  963. # [17:38] <jensimmons> ehicanthearyou
  964. # [17:38] <jensimmons> (too hard to remember)
  965. # [17:39] <theresaanna> that's awesome
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  967. # [17:40] <jensimmons> whatdidyousay.com
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  970. # [17:41] <theresaanna> maybe paul_irish had a name in mind
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  1007. # [18:26] <cgcardona> I'm looking to add a bunch of boomboxes to the network and am looking for someone who want to put their music into boomboxes. I'm willing to do the grunt work of multi encoding and creating a super basic web page to host it. Let me know
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  1009. # [18:27] <cgcardona> *wants
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  1017. # [18:30] <thatryan> by "our music" you mean like itunes library?
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  1042. # [18:55] <cgcardona> thatryan: heh. I mean anything that is licensed appropriately
  1043. # [18:56] <cgcardona> i dont want to step on anyones toes. But if you have music that you created or own that the creator of is cool with you sharing then yeah that stuff
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  1045. # [18:56] <cgcardona> I'm trying to use boombox to help catalyze the nascent open source music tribe
  1046. # [18:58] <cgcardona> It exists in a highly proto stage but you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows ;)
  1047. # [18:58] <Ali> cgcardona, been looking over boombox.js and it was a good learn for me to see some of the audio api in action
  1048. # [18:59] <cgcardona> Ali: cool. Yeah i also used it as an audio api learning experience
  1049. # [18:59] <cgcardona> i wanna do some of this soon https://wiki.mozilla.org/Audio_Data_API
  1050. # [18:59] <cgcardona> only in FF
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  1052. # [18:59] <Ali> im not into music really at all but i have plenty of uses for the audio api so it was good
  1053. # [19:00] <Ali> FF specific? :(
  1054. # [19:00] <cgcardona> yeah. I'm hoping to frame boombox in a way that it can be used for all types of audiofiles—not just music
  1055. # [19:00] <cgcardona> yeah - that is just FF. but there is a web standard that is coming that is simliar. Anyone wanna help me out?
  1056. # [19:00] <cgcardona> looking for the link
  1057. # [19:01] <Ali> you could do webinars that are attached to slideshows, where each file was a slide and at end of audio it changes the slide and such since you have hooks into js with audio api etc
  1058. # [19:03] <cgcardona> yeah thats a good idea
  1059. # [19:05] <Ali> there's other applications and such but that was one mainstream one that comes to mind
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  1062. # [19:11] <Ali> i like this nickname a lot more than alisalaah
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  1064. # [19:12] <Ali> it's what i use on another irc network.. this one is registered though, but its old
  1065. # [19:12] <Ali> anyone know how long freenode takes to drop nicknames after non use"?
  1066. # [19:12] <shichuan> SoundManager 2 is awesomer http://www.schillmania.com/projects/soundmanager2/
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  1068. # [19:14] <Ali> nm asked in #freenode
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  1070. # [19:15] <Ali> shichuan, looking at it now but if you wanted to write code to happen at the end of an audio file so it could update the DOM and start the next audio file does it give you good control over that?
  1071. # [19:15] <Ali> nm, Events: onload(), whileloading(), whileplaying(), onfinish() and more
  1072. # [19:18] <shichuan> Ali: http://www.schillmania.com/projects/soundmanager2/demo/page-player/
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  1076. # [19:21] <Ali> I like
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  1080. # [19:27] <shichuan> cgcardona: i thought http://soundcloud.com was already doing open source music? a lot avant-garde music ppl use it
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  1082. # [19:28] <cgcardona> yeah sound cloud exists. They are the best example of what I'm envisioning that I can point to.
  1083. # [19:30] <cgcardona> they're getting great traction
  1084. # [19:30] <tw2113> now to steal their thunder
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  1087. # [19:31] <Ali> ..and take over the world
  1088. # [19:31] <cgcardona> ;)
  1089. # [19:31] <cgcardona> "one million dollars!"
  1090. # [19:31] <tw2113> VC
  1091. # [19:31] <cgcardona> hah
  1092. # [19:32] <Ali> we just need paul_irish to make a "mothereffinblowuptheearth.com" page with a big red button and then we can hold it hostage
  1093. # [19:32] <cgcardona> booya
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  1095. # [19:32] <tw2113> why have him do it?
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  1097. # [19:32] <tw2113> you can do it to
  1098. # [19:32] <tw2113> too
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  1103. # [19:33] <tw2113> sup robhawkes
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  1112. # [19:40] <maZtah> is putting: required="required" on a html 5 input field wrong?
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  1114. # [19:42] <tw2113> not sure maZtah
  1115. # [19:42] <tw2113> i know the examples i've seen had just <input type="text" required>
  1116. # [19:42] <snover> maZtah: depends if you are writing xhtml dialect html5 or html dialect html5
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  1118. # [19:43] <maZtah> i'm writing html dialect
  1119. # [19:43] <snover> then it’s wrong.
  1120. # [19:44] <maZtah> aww
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  1126. # [19:48] <Ms2ger> maZtah, no, that's correct
  1127. # [19:48] <Ms2ger> See whatwg.org/html/#boolean-attributes
  1128. # [19:49] <Ms2ger> snover, please try to get your facts straight, if you don't mind
  1129. # [19:49] <snover> Ms2ger: I did.
  1130. # [19:49] <snover> In HTML dialect, boolean attributes do not have a value
  1131. # [19:49] <Ms2ger> RTFS
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  1133. # [19:51] <Ali> nice RTFM adaptation
  1134. # [19:52] <tw2113> i never learned to read!!!
  1135. # [19:52] <Ali> would make IRC a tad hard?
  1136. # [19:53] <Ms2ger> IRC-to-speech is possible, fwiw
  1137. # [19:53] <tw2113> i have a well formed html5 compliant telepathic connection
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  1139. # [19:54] <snover> HTML5 is a polyglot markup language, which means that you can use either an XML syntax, which is the one that involves setting a value, or an HTML syntax, which does not. They both validate, but technically speaking, if you are writing using HTML syntax, you don’t set a value on a boolean attribute—that comes from XML.
  1140. # [19:55] <Ms2ger> RTFS, once more
  1141. # [19:56] <Ali> tw2113, do you have any documention on this HTML5 telepathy API?
  1142. # [19:57] <Ms2ger> Is it Native?
  1143. # [19:57] <Ali> I'm guessing not in FF! ;)
  1144. # [19:57] <Ali> I would assume no IE6 support?
  1145. # [19:57] <tw2113> it's kind of hidden in the browser maker area of the spec, i have been sworn to not reveal its location
  1146. # [19:58] <tw2113> cmd+f won't locate it either
  1147. # [19:58] <Ali> hmm, if i have a two column list and they want it Alphabetical left is A-M and right column N-Z is there any trick to make it one <ul> and split it at half way no matter the number of items. or should i just do two ul's and put them next to eachother?.
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  1149. # [19:59] <Ms2ger> Opera supports that :)
  1150. # [19:59] <Ms2ger> (Or so I hear)
  1151. # [19:59] <Ali> if it was alphabetical reading left to right then next line i could do that ofcourse, but it has to go alphabetically down col1 then col2 which are side by side
  1152. # [19:59] <tw2113> people would know this if they used opera more Ms2ger
  1153. # [19:59] <Ms2ger> (with break-before)
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  1158. # [20:00] <tw2113> Ali i wonder if you could do some regex stuff to detect when N is the first letter, and insert the markup for a 2nd list right before it
  1159. # [20:00] <Ali> eh still needs the same stuff from the backend dude, so i'll just code it with two UL's
  1160. # [20:00] <Ali> tw2113, not always "n", is just halfway point so you would have 13 in col1 and 12 items in col2
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  1162. # [20:00] <Ali> for a 25 item list
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  1165. # [20:01] <Ms2ger> Oh, then just multicol
  1166. # [20:01] <nimbu> Ali you can use multi-col list, and use break-before as Ms2ger sez but Opera, and IE10 would be the only one supporting I think.
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  1168. # [20:01] <tw2113> if there are always going to be exactly 25 items, just add a counter and once it hits 13, create the new lsit
  1169. # [20:01] <tw2113> list*
  1170. # [20:01] <Ali> wont work then, gracias
  1171. # [20:01] <tw2113> assuming output is from a foreach loop
  1172. # [20:02] <Ali> I'll just have them pass two items, ${dataset1} and ${dataset2} etc
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  1179. # [20:15] <nixfreak> Looking for a cross browser cross platform / mobile web framework
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  1195. # [20:29] <danbeam> http://askobama.twitter.com so cool
  1196. # [20:30] <skylamer`> cool for who..... ?
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  1198. # [20:30] <tw2113> democrats
  1199. # [20:31] <danbeam> anybody in tech, :)
  1200. # [20:31] <danbeam> because twitter and other technological media outlets are so powerful they can grab the president for an hour or so, :)
  1201. # [20:31] <tw2113> i hope someone tells him to stop fucking up the US
  1202. # [20:32] <skylamer`> or maybe just "americans" :)
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  1204. # [20:33] <danbeam> skylamer`: yes, but he's addressing international questions
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  1206. # [20:33] <tw2113> i should ask him to define non-isolationism vs non-interventionalism
  1207. # [20:33] <danbeam> tw2113: it doesn't matter that it's Obama or our opinions on him, the fact that he's taking direct tweets (though curated) is awesome
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  1209. # [20:34] <tw2113> they tried the same thing with the Republican debate last month
  1210. # [20:34] <skylamer`> its more good to know where is the his wife :)
  1211. # [20:34] <danbeam> s/he/the president of our country and an influential individual internationally in my american mind/
  1212. # [20:34] <danbeam> skylamer`: lolwut
  1213. # [20:35] <danbeam> 0 capital gains on startups, heh
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  1215. # [20:35] <danbeam> that's mildly useful to this channel
  1216. # [20:36] <danbeam> as well as startup immigrant visas
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  1238. # [21:16] <Ali> try: blog/(?<id>[^.]*\+)\.(?<format>xml|json)
  1239. # [21:16] <Ali> eh wrong channel
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  1290. # [22:22] <paul_irish> ericduran: omg you made it?!
  1291. # [22:22] <paul_irish> amaaazin
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  1293. # [22:22] <ericduran|mtg> paul_irish: yea
  1294. # [22:22] <paul_irish> g
  1295. # [22:22] <paul_irish> like as a joke it could be at saywhaa.com
  1296. # [22:22] <ericduran|mtg> lol there we go
  1297. # [22:22] <paul_irish> but maybe you want to do it as a serious joke joke like voicesearchplus.com
  1298. # [22:22] <paul_irish> and it is search boxes for google/bing/twitter
  1299. # [22:23] <paul_irish> and down in the footer you explain the "plus"
  1300. # [22:23] <ericduran|mtg> paul_irish: ahh that makes sense
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  1302. # [22:23] <paul_irish> hehe
  1303. # [22:23] <paul_irish> ttyl
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  1315. # [22:37] <gavacho> so, which is better practice: (a) one .css file per web page where shared rules are downloaded in each .css file; or (b) 2 <links> per page, one to a site.css and another to a page.css?
  1316. # [22:38] <moo-_-> gavacho: neither
  1317. # [22:38] <gavacho> or i guess (c) a single site.css which has all the rules for all pages in a site
  1318. # [22:38] <moo-_-> I use page specific CSS selectors
  1319. # [22:38] <moo-_-> <body class="my-page-id"
  1320. # [22:38] <moo-_-> gavacho: sorry, the latter :)
  1321. # [22:38] <moo-_-> gavacho: less the CSS import order or files matter the easier it will be maintain in the future
  1322. # [22:39] <moo-_-> for example
  1323. # [22:39] <moo-_-> if you use CSS compressor
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  1325. # [22:40] <gavacho> which is better from a not-maintenance standpoint? the only reason i ask is because chrome started showing us the % of rules which aren't applied to any element on the current page
  1326. # [22:40] <gavacho> (suggesting that noise in the .css file is bad)
  1327. # [22:40] <paul_irish> eh
  1328. # [22:40] <paul_irish> its not bad.
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  1330. # [22:40] <paul_irish> superfluous http requests are bad
  1331. # [22:40] <snover> BAD PERFORMANCE IS BAD
  1332. # [22:40] <paul_irish> unused style rules are merely an indicator of a possible optimization
  1333. # [22:40] <gavacho> so you would favor a single site-wide css?
  1334. # [22:41] <danbeam> gavacho, paul_irish where is this unused selector display? that's freakin sweet
  1335. # [22:41] <paul_irish> gavacho: probably, but not if that means a 300kb css file
  1336. # [22:41] <paul_irish> its in Audits
  1337. # [22:41] <danbeam> paul_irish: cool, thanks
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  1341. # [22:46] <gavacho> do any of you strongly recommend an alternative to less/css?
  1342. # [22:46] <danbeam> gavacho: not strongly, but there's sass
  1343. # [22:46] <paul_irish> sass?
  1344. # [22:46] <paul_irish> sass seems wiser at this point
  1345. # [22:46] <paul_irish> if you use less, do NOT use it clientside
  1346. # [22:46] <danbeam> gavacho: http://sass-lang.com/
  1347. # [22:46] <paul_irish> or i will cut you
  1348. # [22:47] <gavacho> nah
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  1350. # [22:47] <danbeam> paul_irish: how can you use it client-side?
  1351. # [22:47] <gavacho> i was favoring less cause there's serverside support in .net
  1352. # [22:47] <paul_irish> less.js runs on node or runs in browser
  1353. # [22:47] <danbeam> oh
  1354. # [22:47] <danbeam> gross
  1355. # [22:47] <danbeam> didn't know it was JS
  1356. # [22:47] <danbeam> saw it when it was Ruby (I think)
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  1360. # [22:49] <danbeam> paul_irish: are you on OS X?
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  1364. # [22:50] <paul_irish> yes
  1365. # [22:50] <danbeam> paul_irish: do you also get invalid SSL certs on github when using Chrome? annoying the shit out of me
  1366. # [22:50] <paul_irish> i do nto
  1367. # [22:50] <paul_irish> not
  1368. # [22:50] <danbeam> good for you, bad for me, :)
  1369. # [22:50] <danbeam> haha
  1370. # [22:50] <paul_irish> chrome, not chromium rite
  1371. # [22:50] <danbeam> yup
  1372. # [22:50] <danbeam> Chrome 12
  1373. # [22:50] <gavacho> i get invalid certs on every https site in chrome at home but not from work
  1374. # [22:51] <gavacho> fwiw
  1375. # [22:51] <danbeam> gavacho: ok, not *totally* insane then, :D
  1376. # [22:51] <Daljo628> Probably a network time issue
  1377. # [22:51] <gavacho> danbeam: youre not running with a crazy OS date/time right?
  1378. # [22:52] <Daljo628> Even a minute or two off can screw up SSL certs
  1379. # [22:53] <danbeam> Daljo628: OS X 10.6.8, and I'll sync with ntp right now
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  1383. # [22:54] <danbeam> I was 2.4 seconds off
  1384. # [22:54] <danbeam> still didn't fix anything though
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  1386. # [22:54] <moo-_-> yes. IE still has over 50% market share
  1387. # [22:54] <moo-_-> but welcome to the future
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  1396. # [23:05] <danbeam> dare somebody else to try curl -I https://github.com and tell me if it croaks with invalid SSL cert warning
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  1404. # [23:14] <tw2113> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
  1405. # [23:14] <tw2113> Server: nginx/1.0.4
  1406. # [23:14] <tw2113> Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 21:10:10 GMT
  1407. # [23:14] <tw2113> Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
  1408. # [23:14] <tw2113> Connection: keep-alive
  1409. # [23:14] <tw2113> Status: 200 OK
  1410. # [23:14] <tw2113> ETag: "204bb2e01314327f1fe3ce46b9fe96ec"
  1411. # [23:14] <tw2113> X-Runtime: 43ms
  1412. # [23:15] <tw2113> Content-Length: 18717
  1413. # [23:15] <tw2113> Set-Cookie: csrf_id=3d6f67c16a41625def923ebf664fe047; path=/
  1414. # [23:15] <tw2113> Set-Cookie: _gh_sess=BAh7BiIKZmxhc2hJQzonQWN0aW9uQ29udHJvbGxlcjo6Rmxhc2g6OkZsYXNoSGFzaHsABjoKQHVzZWR7AA%3D%3D--ed7eadd474fd37850b68bd3c08a5c55ad0c3c833; path=/; expires=Fri, 01 Jan 2021 00:00:00 GMT; secure; HttpOnly
  1415. # [23:15] <tw2113> Cache-Control: private, max-age=0, must-revalidate
  1416. # [23:15] <tw2113> Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=2592000
  1417. # [23:15] <tw2113> damn it, i don't think that all sent to dan in PM
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  1424. # [23:32] <tw2113> danbeam ^
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  1432. # [23:54] <danbeam> tw2113: cool
  1433. # [23:54] <danbeam> tw2113: it worked for you
  1434. # [23:54] <danbeam> tw2113: still not sure why I'm getting invalid cert on both RHEL (x 2) and OS X
  1435. # [23:54] <tw2113> as usual, it's something that is your fault
  1436. # [23:54] <danbeam> likely
  1437. # [23:54] <danbeam> must be old ass CA bundles or something
  1438. # [23:55] <danbeam> curl is a bad test, but Chrome is continually being updated -- no reason why I should be getting invalid root issuer errors
  1439. # [23:56] <danbeam> also, lol that I can pretend to be you if I want (if I could get to github)
  1440. # [23:56] <danbeam> @ tw2113
  1441. # [23:57] <tw2113> nah, i'm an original, not meant to be imitated
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