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  5. # [00:02] <danbeam> tw2113: damn it, one of them is HTTP only and I'm too lazy to bust out Fiddler
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  10. # [00:07] <danbeam> nvm, you probably weren't using cURL to browser github, /facepalm
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  42. # [00:37] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish, I have a quick Dev Tools question
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  44. # [00:37] <paul_irish> ok
  45. # [00:37] <BrianBlakely> If the tool is made with frontend tech, how does it scoop out the pseudo-class values?
  46. # [00:37] <BrianBlakely> In the CSS panel
  47. # [00:37] <BrianBlakely> For an elemen
  48. # [00:37] <BrianBlakely> t
  49. # [00:38] <paul_irish> its frontend tech with c++ bindings
  50. # [00:38] <paul_irish> its magic.
  51. # [00:38] <paul_irish> you'd have to read the source :)
  52. # [00:38] <paul_irish> http://www.google.com/codesearch/p#OAMlx_jo-ck/src/third_party/WebKit/Source/WebCore/inspector/front-end/
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  54. # [00:40] <danbeam> paul_irish: what does .re2js mean?
  55. # [00:41] <danbeam> ah, guess re2c is a lexer, got it http://re2c.org/
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  61. # [00:49] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: I was afraid of that! :/ Thank you!
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  102. # [01:49] <tw2113> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2011/07/06/html5-parsing-in-ie10.aspx
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  126. # [02:22] <ch3mical> Is there a way to get the progress of a file upload when using input type="file"?
  127. # [02:24] <dotnimrod> i think you would need to get the bytes received on the server
  128. # [02:25] <snover> ch3mical: there are ways to do that but they are all out-of-band and rely on the server
  129. # [02:26] <ch3mical> Could you recommend any articles? If it has to be done on server-side, I'm using PHP to handle the post
  130. # [02:27] <dotnimrod> there are a lot of open source solutions for php i'm sure -- though i use .net so i can't recommend any
  131. # [02:27] <dotnimrod> just like up php progress control or something
  132. # [02:27] <snover> ch3mical: go search php.net for upload progress
  133. # [02:27] <ch3mical> k
  134. # [02:28] <ch3mical> Thought it might be possible with client side, guess I'll look toward a php solution
  135. # [02:28] <ch3mical> Thanks
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  137. # [02:28] <asonge> ch3mical: there's some php hooks from APC if it's installed/enabled
  138. # [02:28] <asonge> also, if you use swfobject to upload, you can control a lot more clientside
  139. # [02:28] <dotnimrod> I dont think any browsers give access to the bytes sent on an upload
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  142. # [02:29] <asonge> erm, s/swfobject/swfupload/
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  144. # [02:30] <ch3mical> This has to be deliverable to servers that will likely have a very standard LAMP install, so if it's not enabled by default, I can't use it
  145. # [02:33] <asonge> using swfupload's your best bet, if you submit a form to a target hidden iframe, you can show a "waiting" progress bar and if you have swfupload available, actually show real progress
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  148. # [02:35] <drale2k> hey guys, if a user says allows an application to get their location via geolocation, when will the browser need to ask again for it?
  149. # [02:35] <drale2k> after some time or when the user closes the browser or.. ?
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  202. # [03:48] <danbeam> ch3mical: btw, there is uploadify -- swf and client-side upload progress
  203. # [03:49] <danbeam> (just saw your question about upload progress)
  204. # [03:49] <ch3mical> Thanks. I found one based on jquery and ajax, it's a perfect fit for me. My organization is trying to move away from SWF
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  206. # [03:49] <ch3mical> I appreciate the help, though
  207. # [03:50] <tw2113> call me crazy, but i love changing the text highlight color for projects i work on
  208. # [03:50] <tw2113> and setting it to match the color scheme of the design
  209. # [03:50] <danbeam> ch3mical: are you pinging the server-side using the PHP PECL extension to PHP like snover recommended?
  210. # [03:51] <ch3mical> Nope, the jquery plugin I found doesn't require any php plugins, another reason it's a perfect fit
  211. # [03:51] <danbeam> ch3mical: do you have a link?
  212. # [03:52] <ch3mical> We're developing something we have to deploy to clients, who we can't count on having (or even knowing how to) enabled various php plugins, etc
  213. # [03:52] <ch3mical> sec
  214. # [03:52] <danbeam> word
  215. # [03:52] <ch3mical> http://valums.com/ajax-upload/
  216. # [03:53] <ch3mical> I've only just started looking over the code, so I'm not 100% sure it works for what I need, but from the description and first glances at the code, it seems to be a perfect fit
  217. # [03:57] <danbeam> // path to server-side upload script
  218. # [03:57] <danbeam> er, wat
  219. # [03:59] <danbeam> Change the action option. For example ../server/php.php for the default folder structure. In the server folder you will find examples for different platforms. If you can't find the one you need, check the readme.txt in the same folder.
  220. # [03:59] <danbeam> rough
  221. # [04:00] <drale2k> hey guys, if a user says allows an application to get their location via geolocation, when will the browser need to ask again for it?
  222. # [04:00] <danbeam> ch3mical: (all from the page you linked me to)
  223. # [04:00] <drale2k> after some time or when the user closes the browser or.. ?
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  225. # [04:02] <ch3mical> danbeam: it's actually good, because what I need this for utilizes an API to receive the upload data, so I really just needed something that handles the client-side (why I was hoping I could do progress on client-side)
  226. # [04:03] <danbeam> ch3mical: k
  227. # [04:03] <danbeam> ch3mical: uploadify is just a swf solely on client-side
  228. # [04:03] <danbeam> ch3mical: whereas this needs a PHP script or something on the other end you poll for upload size, looks like
  229. # [04:04] <danbeam> ch3mical: but do what you want
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  231. # [04:04] <danbeam> ch3mical: for mobile SWF is not tolerable at the moment because of shit support, :(
  232. # [04:05] <ch3mical> danbeam: yeah, that's part of the reason for wanting to move away from being SWF-reliant
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  265. # [05:30] <JonathanNeal> hiya
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  272. # [05:40] <cgcardona> g+ invites are open again. Who needs in still?
  273. # [05:41] <JonathanNeal> Still haven't responded to your last one, cgcardona, can't wait till I have some free time to check it out.
  274. # [05:41] <cgcardona> heh
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  278. # [05:45] <tw2113> cgcardona take over whatever JonathanNeal is doing, so he can check it out
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  280. # [05:51] <JonathanNeal> wow all my work is done
  281. # [05:51] <JonathanNeal> who did this?
  282. # [05:51] <JonathanNeal> Oooooh! Now I can spend more time on g+, yeeha.
  283. # [05:52] <cgcardona> your welcome ;)
  284. # [05:54] <tw2113> i'm taking a quick break from some html'ing
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  286. # [05:55] <tw2113> just remember cgcardona....8 days before the final HP is out
  287. # [05:55] <JonathanNeal> where's my welcome?
  288. # [05:55] <tw2113> [10:47pm] <cgcardona> your welcome ;)
  289. # [05:55] <JonathanNeal> HP as in printer?
  290. # [05:56] <tw2113> Harry Potter
  291. # [05:56] <JonathanNeal> He's a printer?
  292. # [05:56] <cgcardona> lolz
  293. # [05:56] <JonathanNeal> I thought he was a wizard.
  294. # [05:56] <tw2113> yes, it's his side job
  295. # [05:56] <JonathanNeal> I always thought his side job was a gardener.
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  298. # [05:59] <tw2113> i won't deny, i'm pumped
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  315. # [06:32] <drale2k> hey guys, if a user says allows an application to get their location via geolocation, when will the browser need to ask again for it?
  316. # [06:32] <drale2k> after some time or when the user closes the browser or.. ?
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  328. # [06:57] <cgcardona> drale2k: the browser will remember their selection
  329. # [06:58] <cgcardona> they can actually tell it to remember for just that time or to remember for good
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  331. # [06:58] <cgcardona> if the user wants that site to not track their location they can turn it off from settings
  332. # [06:58] <cgcardona> to see if a site is tracking you look for a small icon in the url bar
  333. # [06:59] <cgcardona> plus from a dev perspective the api allows you to get their location just once or track them and get an update each time the long/lat changes
  334. # [06:59] <cgcardona> drale2k: http://diveintohtml5.org/geolocation.html
  335. # [07:00] <cgcardona> getCurrentLocation() // gets the location just once
  336. # [07:00] <cgcardona> watchLocation() // tracks their location
  337. # [07:00] <drale2k> cgcardona: so if i track them, when will that session end and i need to ask again?
  338. # [07:01] <cgcardona> if you use watchLocation() they will be asked if that site can track them. If they say yes the session won't end until they remove that option via browser setting or right clicking on the icon in the url bar
  339. # [07:02] <drale2k> so even if they refresh the site or close the browser and come back tomorrow, i will be able to track them?
  340. # [07:02] <cgcardona> actually you don't right click on the icon you left click
  341. # [07:02] <cgcardona> check this example http://nko-trisomic-propus.heroku.com/
  342. # [07:02] <cgcardona> after you agree you'll notice a little icon in the url bar
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  345. # [07:03] <drale2k> hm no firefox does not show an icon
  346. # [07:03] <drale2k> chrome does
  347. # [07:03] <drale2k> but in that example every time i refresh the page i need to say again "yes"
  348. # [07:04] <cgcardona> in the example I posted?
  349. # [07:04] <drale2k> yes
  350. # [07:04] <cgcardona> you shouldn't need to say yes over and over
  351. # [07:04] <cgcardona> anyone else?
  352. # [07:04] <cgcardona> i only need to say yes once
  353. # [07:04] <drale2k> that site does not track my location
  354. # [07:04] <drale2k> it just gets it every time
  355. # [07:04] <drale2k> and i guess it remembers my last location through local storage or cookie
  356. # [07:05] <cgcardona> yeah i wrote that
  357. # [07:05] <cgcardona> view source at line 324
  358. # [07:05] <cgcardona> it's using watchPostiion
  359. # [07:05] <cgcardona> and it's storing your data in localStorage
  360. # [07:06] <drale2k> ok it works in chrome
  361. # [07:06] <drale2k> seems that browser may handle this differently
  362. # [07:06] <cgcardona> yeah, plus that code is old and kinda janky
  363. # [07:07] <cgcardona> it might be my implementation
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  365. # [07:07] <drale2k> hm but watchPosition still is the same right?
  366. # [07:07] <cgcardona> yeah it should be
  367. # [07:08] <cgcardona> let me check it in ff
  368. # [07:08] <cgcardona> this is the docs to read http://diveintohtml5.org/geolocation.html
  369. # [07:08] <cgcardona> that will tell you everything ^
  370. # [07:08] <drale2k> safari on iPad asks every time too
  371. # [07:08] <cgcardona> strange
  372. # [07:08] <cgcardona> that might be a browser thing
  373. # [07:08] <drale2k> the docs won`t help, since they are only recommendations
  374. # [07:08] <cgcardona> the browsers are treading real lightly with this feature
  375. # [07:09] <drale2k> i think its pretty annoying to ask every time
  376. # [07:09] <drale2k> but maybe safer
  377. # [07:09] <cgcardona> exactly
  378. # [07:09] <cgcardona> in chrome apps you can set that permission in the manifest and it will only ask once
  379. # [07:10] <cgcardona> drale2k: in FF when you reload the page and you see the little 'share location' button. notice the little drop down menu icon. press that and in the drop down menu you'll see 'always share'
  380. # [07:10] <cgcardona> ;)
  381. # [07:10] <cgcardona> thats the way to tell FF to remember
  382. # [07:10] <drale2k> ah
  383. # [07:10] <cgcardona> not sure what the IOS convention is
  384. # [07:11] <cgcardona> grabbing my iPod touch
  385. # [07:11] <drale2k> but you can imagine how many non geeks will use this
  386. # [07:11] <drale2k> hm ipad does not ask anymore, but it aksed at least 2 times
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  487. # [10:30] <moo-_-> is it possible to have (CSS3) selector that selects the first child element if it's <h3>
  488. # [10:31] <moo-_-> (to fix the top margin on <h3> element if it's the first one in WYSIWYG content)
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  493. # [10:34] <spliter> moo-_-: h3> *:first-child
  494. # [10:35] <moo-_-> spliter: and it would also work
  495. # [10:35] <moo-_-> h3 > #content:first-child ?
  496. # [10:35] <moo-_-> or
  497. # [10:35] <moo-_-> #content h3 > *:first-child
  498. # [10:35] <spliter> moo-_-: the last
  499. # [10:36] <spliter> if h3 is within #content that I assume is the case ;)
  500. # [10:36] <moo-_-> yep
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  502. # [10:37] <spliter> moo-_-: should work even in IE7 if you don't add that child dynamically
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  505. # [10:42] <moo-_-> spliter: cool
  506. # [10:42] <moo-_-> but I am not on this channel for IE7 ;)
  507. # [10:42] <spliter> sure. Just wanted to tell that it works :)
  508. # [10:43] <spliter> moo-_-: you might have got the same answer on #css as well ;)
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