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  5. # [00:05] <niftylettuce> tw2113: :)
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  9. # [00:11] <aidalgol> Why is this not drawing any text on the canvas? http://paste.debian.net/122603/
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  16. # [00:13] <tw2113> aidalgol is this supposed to be an "es" ? src="demotivational.es"
  17. # [00:13] <aidalgol> tw2113: Yes, I just use the ECMAScript extension, but it runs the same as if it had the "js" extension.
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  19. # [00:14] <aidalgol> Although, the MIME-type is wrong. :P
  20. # [00:14] <tw2113> i put it into jsbin.com and it pointed ou a missing semicolon after the ctx.fillText()
  21. # [00:14] <tw2113> and if it's supposed to render the mdn logo, i have it working
  22. # [00:15] <aidalgol> It renders the logo, but I want it to also draw the text "MDN" on the canvas.
  23. # [00:15] <tw2113> ah
  24. # [00:15] <grantg> http://www.grantgalitz.org/setintervalBug.html
  25. # [00:15] <tw2113> i'm going based off of very basics that i know, i have yet to really mess with canvas yet
  26. # [00:16] <grantg> numbu: Did you get it?
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  29. # [00:16] <nimbu> yes grantg :)
  30. # [00:17] <nimbu> grantg: even writing will take time
  31. # [00:17] <nimbu> so you should probably write it to an object
  32. # [00:17] <grantg> heh
  33. # [00:17] <nimbu> and then render it after like 5 seconds
  34. # [00:18] <nimbu> :P
  35. # [00:18] <grantg> it updates the timer once each callback
  36. # [00:18] <grantg> not that bad
  37. # [00:18] <nimbu> yes i tried to do that with a console.log and the time was drastically diff
  38. # [00:18] <grantg> just above 60 fps
  39. # [00:18] <grantg> heh
  40. # [00:18] <grantg> this averages it though
  41. # [00:19] <grantg> what we're really getting ->over time<-
  42. # [00:19] <aidalgol> Same problem, but slightly more readable code: http://paste.debian.net/122607/
  43. # [00:19] <nimbu> yes i notice that.
  44. # [00:20] <grantg> if a browser is seriously delaying itself, like with what I'm seeing with chrome, then that's an implementation prob
  45. # [00:20] <grantg> Since the browser should be able to make the next callback possibly come a little earlier to adjust
  46. # [00:21] <grantg> firefox is way better for me
  47. # [00:21] <grantg> gets way closer to 16.00
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  49. # [00:21] <keithclarkcouk> have you considered passing a delta time between timeouts so you can adjust for timer lag?
  50. # [00:22] <tw2113> no idea aidalgol :D sorry i can't help more
  51. # [00:22] <grantg> this is a setInterval
  52. # [00:22] <keithclarkcouk> it's what I do with games
  53. # [00:22] <grantg> should be averaging 16 ms here if set as such
  54. # [00:23] <grantg> browsers can manip their internal timers so they can get 16 ms if there's no system event blocking / other program blocking, and we finished the last callback on time.
  55. # [00:23] <moo-_-> keithclarkcouk: always get a clock from Date
  56. # [00:23] <moo-_-> timeouts are unreliable
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  58. # [00:24] <keithclarkcouk> moo-_-: yes they are!
  59. # [00:24] <grantg> heh
  60. # [00:24] <moo-_-> https://github.com/miohtama/slideshow9000/blob/master/slideshow/static/slideshow.js#L279 here is some animation loop I came up while ago
  61. # [00:26] <nimbu> grantg: http://jsfiddle.net/4TDgY/5/
  62. # [00:26] <nimbu> Chrome does seem to get close to 16
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  64. # [00:26] <BrianBlakely> http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=29238524
  65. # [00:26] <keithclarkcouk> I managed to get finer granularity of timers in appcelerator by hooking into hardware accelerated animations and using the complete event
  66. # [00:26] <BrianBlakely> One of the best things Opera has ever done
  67. # [00:26] <BrianBlakely> Actually leverage the console in a console browser!
  68. # [00:27] <keithclarkcouk> I wonder is you could hook into transitionEnd to get better control over timings?
  69. # [00:27] <nimbu> keithclarkcouk: i actually tested it
  70. # [00:27] <grantg> nimbu: You changed it
  71. # [00:27] <nimbu> i mean i tested animation delay.
  72. # [00:27] <nimbu> grantg: of course.
  73. # [00:27] <grantg> and you killed it from doing a long running average
  74. # [00:27] <grantg> :/
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  76. # [00:27] <nimbu> transition delay that is.
  77. # [00:27] <nimbu> grantg: i am testing it for 1000 iterations
  78. # [00:27] <grantg> make sure counter++ is in the right position
  79. # [00:27] <nimbu> i think thats pretty long.
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  81. # [00:28] <keithclarkcouk> nimbu: how did it turn out?
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  83. # [00:28] <grantg> you're updating counter before updating the div
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  88. # [00:28] <nimbu> grantg: the div is not updated by the counter
  89. # [00:28] <grantg> so you'll get a lower number than the real average. fyi
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  91. # [00:29] <nimbu> grantg:  domer = timeDiff / counter; counter++; is what i have.
  92. # [00:29] <nimbu> which is what you had too.
  93. # [00:29] <keithclarkcouk> I guess requestAnimationFrame will solve this eventually
  94. # [00:29] <grantg> oh heh
  95. # [00:30] <grantg> you moved it around. :P
  96. # [00:30] <grantg> yeah
  97. # [00:30] <grantg> yours is correct
  98. # [00:30] <grantg> though chrome on mac os x shows a bad delay for me
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  100. # [00:30] <keithclarkcouk> Latest IE10 PP implements in and it works really well
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  102. # [00:31] <nimbu> keithclarkcouk: i did this http://jsfiddle.net/nimbu/p5ztz/45/
  103. # [00:32] <nimbu> reqAnimFrame fires better once it gets going but the initial firing rate is pretty erratic
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  106. # [00:34] <keithclarkcouk> jsfiddle is not iPad friendly :(
  107. # [00:37] <moo-_-> FYI if you have any ideas http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6657491/detecting-powerful-browser-which-able-to-do-graphics-with-decent-speed
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  109. # [00:37] <moo-_-> (related to the animation discussion)
  110. # [00:37] * grantg implements an auto-frameskip for the GBC and GBA emulators in JavaScript
  111. # [00:37] <grantg> I had to implement a workaround for buggy browsers that delay setInterval more than they should though
  112. # [00:38] <grantg> so I ninja'd in a running average that checks for a certain limit to be passed before frame skipping
  113. # [00:38] <grantg> (chrome needs this)
  114. # [00:38] <nimbu> oh srry keithclarkcouk you can trry http://jsfiddle.net/nimbu/p5ztz/45/show/
  115. # [00:38] <nimbu> oops just add /show/ and it should render?
  116. # [00:38] <nimbu> or maybe coz safari is relly old
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  118. # [00:40] <keithclarkcouk> nimbu: problem is I can't scroll through the code because jsfiddle won't show scrollbars. I have bookmarked it tho, i'll take a look when I get to a proper computer.
  119. # [00:40] <nimbu> ohh
  120. # [00:40] <nimbu> :/
  121. # [00:40] <niftylettuce> lol whois result for google.com brings up funny whois.syra.com.au entry
  122. # [00:41] <keithclarkcouk> is the startup delay the issue?
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  124. # [00:41] <nimbu> keithclarkcouk: transition delay does not fire accurately
  125. # [00:41] <nimbu> in any browser.
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  127. # [00:42] <keithclarkcouk> oh. I wonder how accurate transition duration is?
  128. # [00:43] <nimbu> yeah well i didnt go there :)
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  130. # [00:44] <keithclarkcouk> cool, that means I have something to experiment with tomorrow :)
  131. # [00:44] <nimbu> yayy
  132. # [00:46] <grantg> heh, saw someone recently try to run firefox 1.5 on mac os x lion
  133. # [00:46] <grantg> did not work. lol
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  136. # [00:48] <uf0> coda or dreamweaver?
  137. # [00:48] <ModusPwnens> Is anyone here knowledgeable about how to use vlc web plugin with html5 video tag?
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  151. # [03:11] <uf0> guys making my transition from windows to mac
  152. # [03:12] <uf0> i used to use WAMP to set up my localhost apache server
  153. # [03:12] <uf0> what do i use now?
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  155. # [03:12] <tw2113> mamp
  156. # [03:12] <uf0> tw2113: u use mamp?
  157. # [03:12] <tw2113> nope
  158. # [03:13] <uf0> so what do you use personally
  159. # [03:13] <tw2113> i usually just do all my fun work on a live server
  160. # [03:13] <uf0> by the way hey :)
  161. # [03:13] <uf0> it's been awhile
  162. # [03:13] <tw2113> and if i were to set up a local instance, it'd be xampp
  163. # [03:13] <uf0> my pc died and i decided to say fuck it
  164. # [03:13] <uf0> going mac
  165. # [03:14] <tw2113> hmm, apparently this page has builds for win/mac/linux http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html
  166. # [03:14] <tw2113> heck, i installed that on a flash drive at one point
  167. # [03:15] <tw2113> their mobile version
  168. # [03:15] <uf0> i see..
  169. # [03:15] <uf0> yea i'm googling right now
  170. # [03:15] <uf0> xampp vs mamp
  171. # [03:16] <tw2113> http://portableapps.com/apps
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  181. # [05:28] <aidalgol> http://paste.debian.net/122627/ runs with the following error.
  182. # [05:28] <aidalgol> Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "An invalid or illegal string was specified" code: "12" nsresult: "0x8053000c (NS_ERROR_DOM_SYNTAX_ERR)" location: "file:///home/aidan/src-aidan/demotivational/demotivational.es Line: 14"]
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  185. # [05:29] <aidalgol> What's wrong with the string? It looks fine to me.
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  187. # [05:35] <snover> aidalgol: script src, or inline script; pick one.
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  189. # [05:36] <aidalgol> snover: Er, I use src, but I put it inline for pasting.
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  196. # [05:37] <snover> aidalgol: ok. well, I don’t know why measureText would be returning that
  197. # [05:38] <aidalgol> snover: Hmm...
  198. # [05:39] <snover> you’ll surely not be interested to know that mozMeasureText works fine…
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  200. # [05:41] <snover> and that there does not seem to be a bug report, which is strange since it does seem to be quite broken
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  206. # [05:49] <aidalgol> snover: OK, that's odd.
  207. # [05:49] <aidalgol> It's documented without the "moz" prefix. https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Drawing_text_using_a_canvas#measureText%28%29
  208. # [05:50] <snover> aidalgol: and with it, two headers down :)
  209. # [05:50] <snover> they should be calling the exact same code so why the fuck one works and the other one does not is very mysterious
  210. # [05:51] <snover> oh wait
  211. # [05:51] <snover> I see what’s going on here
  212. # [05:51] <snover> the return value of measureText is an object, not a number
  213. # [05:51] <snover> the return value of mozMeasureText is a number
  214. # [05:51] <snover> you want to access measureText().width
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  219. # [05:53] <aidalgol> snover: Oh, OK. How did you find that out?
  220. # [05:53] <aidalgol> (And, more importantly, how do I convert it to a number?
  221. # [05:54] <snover> aidalgol: it’s there, on that page
  222. # [05:54] <snover> right where you linked
  223. # [05:54] <snover> Return value
  224. # [05:54] <snover> “An nsIDOMTextMetrics object…”
  225. # [05:54] <chriseppstein> nimbu: yt? can I have that link to the js api for media queries again?
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  228. # [05:55] <nimbu> chriseppstein: lookings
  229. # [05:56] <nimbu> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/Using_media_queries_from_code
  230. # [05:56] <chriseppstein> <3
  231. # [05:57] <aidalgol> snover: Oh, so I assumed that it was some convoluted form of a string.
  232. # [05:57] <snover> firefox has shit error reporting sometimes
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  235. # [06:01] <aidalgol> Oh, great, and nsIDOMTextMetrics has no documentation.
  236. # [06:01] <snover> aidalgol: read carefully
  237. # [06:02] <snover> if it helps pretend it says “property” instead of “attribute” because it should :)
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  284. # [13:21] <tomh-> anyone knows what the scope of localstorage is supposed to be? per site? per window?
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  286. # [13:26] <shwetank> per site
  287. # [13:28] <shwetank> basically on a per-origin basis.
  288. # [13:30] <shwetank> which means subdomains will share that info
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  336. # [18:19] <phrearch> hi
  337. # [18:19] <phrearch> is the websocket protocol changed in firefox nightly?
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  365. # [18:51] <jetienne> phrearch: you can try to ask on irc.mozilla.org #firefox
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  370. # [18:57] <ModusPwnens> Does anyone here know how to use the vlc web plugin with the html5 video tag?
  371. # [18:58] <jetienne> ModusPwnens: there is a confusion. vlc web plugin is a plugin. so not in the html5 video tag
  372. # [18:58] <jetienne> ModusPwnens: there is a #vlc channel which can give details on vlc web plugin tho
  373. # [18:59] <jetienne> ModusPwnens: html5 video tag got its own player inside the browser
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  375. # [18:59] <Rik`> phrearch: Aurora has support for the -07 version of the protocol
  376. # [19:00] <jetienne> Rik`: usable by default or requiring a option to be set ?
  377. # [19:00] <Rik`> usable by default but prefixed
  378. # [19:00] <Rik`> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/WebSockets/WebSockets_reference/WebSocket
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  380. # [19:00] <ModusPwnens> jetienne: Yes, I know, but the vlc web plugin specifically states that it can be used with the video tag
  381. # [19:01] <jetienne> Rik`: ok tahnks
  382. # [19:01] <ModusPwnens> http://wiki.videolan.org/Documentation:WebPlugin
  383. # [19:01] <ModusPwnens> Its bolded in the first paragraph.
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  401. # [19:09] <ModusPwnens> Ok, how bout a different question: Is it possible to use the video tag for rtp streams?
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  411. # [21:13] * Set by marienz!~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz on Fri Nov 05 18:43:30
  412. # [21:13] <ModusPwnens> it doesnt seem like overlays affect the performance very much.
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  414. # [21:14] <ModusPwnens> according to the videos shown on this site: http://allvideos.fritz-elfert.de/local-content.html?start=12
  415. # [21:16] <fubd> so i'm checking out projects like Impact that compile to Javascript<->native GL apps on ios, and use <canvas> or even webgl when possible on the browser
  416. # [21:16] <fubd> does anyone know if there are any open source 'competitors' that do a similar thing?
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  423. # [21:26] <Aric> http://andrewvos.com/2011/02/21/amount-of-profanity-in-git-commit-messages-per-programming-language/
  424. # [21:27] <Aric> PHP has the lowest and Ruby the most, interesting
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  429. # [21:34] <cgcardona> haha
  430. # [21:36] <ModusPwnens> Hmm, can rtp be treated the same way as rtmp? I can find examples of rtmp in flowplayer docs, but nothing on rtp
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  433. # [21:41] <ModusPwnens> In fact, there doesn't seem to be a lot of information in general about rtp streams =/
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