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  9. # [02:07] <niftylettuce> grantg: whats up bro
  10. # [02:08] <grantg> nothin'
  11. # [02:08] <grantg> freetime in college, that's what. ::pokeface::
  12. # [02:08] <niftylettuce> grantg: can you get an emulator up for me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusader_of_Centy
  13. # [02:08] <grantg> *::pokerface::
  14. # [02:08] <grantg> never heard of that game
  15. # [02:08] <niftylettuce> grantg: genesissss
  16. # [02:08] <niftylettuce> CoC was the SHIT
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  18. # [02:08] <niftylettuce> :)
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  20. # [02:09] <grantg> heh
  21. # [02:09] <grantg> 68k + Zilog Z80 emulation in the genesis. :D
  22. # [02:09] <grantg> *for the
  23. # [02:10] <grantg> weeee
  24. # [02:10] <grantg> (Zilog Z80 was its APU when in Genesis mode)
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  26. # [02:12] <grantg> well, at least some stuff for APU was tasked off to it. :P
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  29. # [02:15] <niftylettuce> grantg: when are you gonna release your killer app?
  30. # [02:16] <grantg> when I feel it's not poo
  31. # [02:16] <grantg> and I fix a bunch of CPU bugs
  32. # [02:16] <grantg> and fix up the GPU emulation some more.
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  34. # [02:17] <grantg> niftylettuce: It'll land in https://github.com/grantgalitz/IodineGBA
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  37. # [02:19] <grantg> nitfylettuce: It is getting worked on
  38. # [02:19] <grantg> :)
  39. # [02:20] <niftylettuce> grantg: pump that out
  40. # [02:20] <niftylettuce> grantg: you got ppl waiting to play
  41. # [02:20] <niftylettuce> grantg: willing to pay*
  42. # [02:20] <grantg> :O
  43. # [02:20] <grantg> people are emailing me about re-packaging my stuff for the android market
  44. # [02:20] <grantg> I'm like "it's GPL"
  45. # [02:21] <grantg> :P
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  50. # [02:32] <ModusPwnens_> Hello. Are there some wierd kinks with the canvas tag and z-index?
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  69. # [05:14] <plaid_irish> sup
  70. # [05:14] <plaid_irish> omg nimbu you're so mean
  71. # [05:15] <nimbu> waa?
  72. # [05:15] <plaid_irish> http://paulirish.com/i/0cd2.png
  73. # [05:16] <nimbu> :)
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  101. # [09:53] <m0ns00n> ^^
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  105. # [09:59] <danbeam> http://softwareas.com/i-xoogler
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  107. # [10:00] <danbeam> mike5w3c: do you happen to be on the CSS validator mailing list?
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  113. # [10:03] <mike5w3c> danbeam: I didn't know there was a separate list
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  115. # [10:03] <danbeam> mike5w3c: www-validator-css@w3.org
  116. # [10:04] <danbeam> mike5w3c: wasn't sure if you were, but part of this message was for you (or really anybody from w3c that'd be [dis]interested in putting things onto github -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-validator-css/2011Jul/0002.html
  117. # [10:04] <danbeam> :D
  118. # [10:05] <mike5w3c> danbeam: the problem is, that code is not worth fixing
  119. # [10:05] <mike5w3c> IMHO
  120. # [10:05] <danbeam> mike5w3c: haha, ok
  121. # [10:05] <mike5w3c> it would be throwing good money after bad
  122. # [10:06] <danbeam> mike5w3c: is there a better fork somewhere or you're just not happy with any implementations currently?
  123. # [10:06] <mike5w3c> no, that code is just obsolete and not worth building on further
  124. # [10:06] <danbeam> I see
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  126. # [10:07] <mike5w3c> the same is true of the current W3C markup validator
  127. # [10:07] <danbeam> too bad, :/
  128. # [10:07] <mike5w3c> the non-HTML5 part
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  130. # [10:07] <danbeam> ok
  131. # [10:07] <mike5w3c> danbeam: there is a bright spot:
  132. # [10:07] <mike5w3c> danbeam: take a looks
  133. # [10:07] <mike5w3c> oops
  134. # [10:07] <mike5w3c> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/css-val/
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  137. # [10:08] <danbeam> mike5w3c: whoa, never used scala
  138. # [10:09] <danbeam> mike5w3c: but if you think this is better/the future, then cool
  139. # [10:10] <mike5w3c> that's something that Dan Connolly put together 3 years ago or so
  140. # [10:10] <danbeam> mike5w3c: cool
  141. # [10:10] <mike5w3c> one big difference with that one is that is relies on having a grammar for CSS
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  143. # [10:11] <mike5w3c> similar to the way the W3C markup validator relies on a separate DTD and the validator.nu backend relies on a Relax NG schema
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  145. # [10:11] <mike5w3c> the problem is, there's not a complete grammar for CSS3
  146. # [10:11] <danbeam> mike5w3c: just 2.1 right?
  147. # [10:12] <danbeam> mike5w3c: + selectors addons (I think, right?)
  148. # [10:13] <mike5w3c> maybe, not sure
  149. # [10:13] <danbeam> mike5w3c: oh, er, and @media and @font-face and more I probably just forgot
  150. # [10:13] <danbeam> haha
  151. # [10:13] <danbeam> mike5w3c: but, ok, cool
  152. # [10:13] <mike5w3c> but any CSS validator in use these days should ideally be checking CSS3, not just CSS 2.1 plus whatever
  153. # [10:14] <danbeam> mike5w3c: yeah, I gotcha, it'd be cooler to have a combined lexer/parser example for all of CSS3 like 2.1 has here http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/grammar.html
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  155. # [10:14] <mike5w3c> yeah
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  157. # [10:15] <mike5w3c> there's a editor's draft of that here:
  158. # [10:15] <mike5w3c> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-syntax/Overview.src.html
  159. # [10:15] <mike5w3c> but that's not been touched in 3 years
  160. # [10:15] <mike5w3c> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/csswg/css3-syntax/
  161. # [10:16] <mike5w3c> if somebody were willing to take over editor responsibility on that, that'd be great
  162. # [10:16] <danbeam> mike5w3c: does alot of this content come from existing implementations (i.e. in webkit's grammar or something) or vice-versa (spec'd then implemented with -browser-prefix)?
  163. # [10:16] <mike5w3c> dunno
  164. # [10:16] <mike5w3c> dbaron would know, though
  165. # [10:17] <danbeam> mike5w3c: is it hard finding people to volunteer/that are competent enough/trustworthy to do this stuff? (like maintain a working draft?)
  166. # [10:18] <danbeam> mike5w3c: also, I thought Tantek Celic was doing some work on this, but I guess not...
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  170. # [10:21] <mattcodes> are css file included via link tag loaded async or sync.. i.e. is there any benefit to including them in the footer (single page web-app)
  171. # [10:21] <danbeam> http://developer.yahoo.com/performance/rules.html#css_top
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  173. # [10:22] <danbeam> @ mattcodes
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  176. # [10:23] <mattcodes> danbeam, ah. okay, but my body content is <body><h1 style="font-weight:bold;">Loading Rich Client App..</h1></body>
  177. # [10:23] <mattcodes> and then some footer js that initialize basically a rich client app rendering responsibility of the JS
  178. # [10:23] <danbeam> mattcodes: I'd also guess that <link>s are downloaded in parallel and injected in order like <script>s are in modern browser, but not totally sure
  179. # [10:23] <mattcodes> its an intranet sales system
  180. # [10:24] <danbeam> modern browsers*
  181. # [10:24] <mattcodes> will have a test in new Chrome, Paul Irish demonstrated a nice (kind of like dynatrace) tracer that I can put it use,
  182. # [10:24] <danbeam> mattcodes: and using a <link> is better than putting an @import in the top of a <link>ed to stylesheet
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  185. # [10:25] <mattcodes> solidifies my reason for using cat site.css header.css etc.. and then running through a minifier
  186. # [10:26] <mattcodes> web dev is finally fun again..
  187. # [10:26] <danbeam> http://www.stevesouders.com/blog/2009/04/09/dont-use-import/
  188. # [10:27] <danbeam> mattcodes: well, er, if they're downloading in parallel and you're using keep-alives, depends on how big the stylesheets are and how often you change your styles
  189. # [10:27] <danbeam> mattcodes: (because otherwise it's possible to be faster to DL them all in parallel, but it's a complicated equation -- usually combine+minify is a decent idea in most cases)
  190. # [10:28] <danbeam> mattcodes: I totally run my minifier script the same way, though, :)
  191. # [10:29] <mattcodes> cool, lots to consider
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  194. # [10:30] <danbeam> mattcodes: cat fonts.css blah.css blah-more.css | yui-compressor --type css | gzip -C - > combined.min.css.gz # so many dots!
  195. # [10:30] <danbeam> -c**
  196. # [10:31] <danbeam> :)
  197. # [10:33] <mattcodes> sweet, does it matter much if you pregzip or just let the web server handle gzip output?
  198. # [10:34] <danbeam> mattcodes: depends on your situation -- unfortunately my hosting provider sucks and doesn't allow me to easily use mod_deflate or something like this
  199. # [10:34] <danbeam> mattcodes: so I have to pre-gzip and look for Accept-Encoding headers
  200. # [10:34] <danbeam> mattcodes: I'd recommend using something automagic
  201. # [10:35] <danbeam> mattcodes: something like this - https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/blob/master/.htaccess#L130-176 (if you're using Apache)
  202. # [10:36] <danbeam> mattcodes: and if you're not, https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate-server-configs/ <-- probably something there for you (or there's always the GOOGs)
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  204. # [10:37] <mattcodes> thanks for links will investigate
  205. # [10:37] <danbeam> mattcodes: word
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  215. # [12:55] <mattcodes> graingert, are you just looking for html5 shims?
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The end :)