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  17. # [00:29] <niftylettuce__> woo att has nexus s tmorrow, monneeyyyy in ze bank!
  18. # [00:29] <niftylettuce__> $MIXIN $URMOM $LOL
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  25. # [00:41] <norbert_> hey all
  26. # [00:42] <norbert_> is there an easy way to prevent child elements from inheriting an opacity from a parent element?
  27. # [00:42] <jacof> Hey. <article>... is there something like <page> or is that just the same ? I have <section><article></article></section> I feel like i should drop the <article> section
  28. # [00:44] <dpogue> norbert_> You might be able to fake the opacity of the parent element using rgba, which would leave children unaffected
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  32. # [00:47] <norbert_> it makes me sad that the person or organization that had the power to introduce opacity didn't make sure it would be possible to disable the inheritance
  33. # [00:50] <norbert_> anyways, thanks dpogue for suggesting rgba, that allows me to do what I want
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  38. # [00:56] <moo-_-> nonge_: there is a way
  39. # [00:56] <moo-_-> in CSS3
  40. # [00:56] <moo-_-> not sure was it rgba trick above or something else
  41. # [00:56] <moo-_-> but I have seen the answer... I just don't remember what was it
  42. # [00:56] <moo-_-> but it was not any position trick
  43. # [00:58] <niftylettuce__> ?tell Jack9 br0wserz render border-images statically btw
  44. # [00:58] <bot-t> niftylettuce__, Okay.
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  60. # [01:36] <echoSMILE> Night. I want use some iframe inside my page, and put some buttons over it. Any way to do this without look like 'clickjacking' ?!
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  91. # [02:42] <KaOSoFt> Sorry if this is not the place for asking, but should I include my site's name (my name, in my case) after the document title? For instance, in a blog post, something like: "This is my first blog post | Website's name"
  92. # [02:42] <KaOSoFt> Or should I not?
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  96. # [02:46] <dpogue> with tabbed browsing, it's probably more useful to have a distinctive favicon than to include the site name in the <title>
  97. # [02:47] <OzDave_mbp> doesnt google use the title tag as part of its structure to defining your site anyway?
  98. # [02:48] <OzDave_mbp> http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35264
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  209. # [06:43] <niftylettuce> https://www.google.com/voice/unlock O_O
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  211. # [06:44] <niftylettuce> 123-456-HTML here I comeeee
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  279. # [11:22] <OzDave_mbp> so with svg getting more involved do we see logo design built with code? this would be another step over vector and one step closer to a coded animation build of the logo.
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  303. # [11:34] <apalmer> is it bad practice to use html data tags?
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  305. # [11:35] <Ms2ger> What do you mean by that?
  306. # [11:36] <apalmer> you can add the data-variable to the dom
  307. # [11:36] <apalmer> i read that it is new to html5
  308. # [11:36] <apalmer> i'll find an example real quick
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  310. # [11:37] <apalmer> <span id='q1' data-display_cnt='0'></span>
  311. # [11:37] <OzDave_ipad2> Modernizr will help you bridge the gap from 4/5
  312. # [11:38] <apalmer> I know it's valid. and in jquery you could access it with $('#q1').data('display_cnt'); but idk if it is frowned upon.
  313. # [11:38] <apalmer> I'm more of a backend guy so I'm not sure about the "accepted" practices in frontend development
  314. # [11:39] <apalmer> I had heard of modernizr, but I haven't checked it out yet. I'll have to do that
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  316. # [11:40] <Ms2ger> Not frowned up
  317. # [11:40] <Ms2ger> -on
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  319. # [11:41] <Ms2ger> If it was frowned upon, we wouldn't have added it
  320. # [11:41] <apalmer> ok, thanks. I discovered it the other day when I was trying to find a way to avoid storing all the information in js.
  321. # [11:41] <apalmer> I know, but some things are added, but not generally accepted.
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  324. # [11:44] <mr_lou> Can you protect your HTML5/Javascript source code by using the https protocol? (I heard so, but can't find the logic)
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  327. # [11:45] <apalmer> idk for sure, but I doubt it.
  328. # [11:45] <Ms2ger> What do you mean by protect? Make it impossible to read? No
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  330. # [11:46] <mr_lou> Ms2ger, Well at least encrypt in some way. Nothing can be 100% protected. Not even Assembler code. But just protect a little bit.
  331. # [11:47] <apalmer> you can obfuscate your code, but that's the best you can do.
  332. # [11:47] <Ms2ger> HTTPS mean that nobody can read the code between you and the user
  333. # [11:47] <Ms2ger> But the user can always get to your code
  334. # [11:49] <mr_lou> apalmer, I'm happy with obfuscation actually. But then people tell me there are un-obfuscators. I just can't see the logic in how those would work. Obviously they can't guess my variable names and such. So I don't know what they mean.
  335. # [11:49] <apalmer> yes, there must be, or else the javascript engine couldn't read the code either.
  336. # [11:50] <OzDave_ipad2> Ever used a hex editor to find the lives or bullets in games eg: like the older gta 1 or 2?
  337. # [11:51] <OzDave_ipad2> Same thing and it doesnt matter if the name is bob or jane or fgtrfdews
  338. # [11:51] <mr_lou> OzDave_ipad2, Lot's of times. :-)
  339. # [11:51] <OzDave_ipad2> :)
  340. # [11:51] <mr_lou> Hex editors rule. :->
  341. # [11:51] <mr_lou> hehe
  342. # [11:51] <OzDave_ipad2> FFFF
  343. # [11:52] <mr_lou> apalmer, Afaik obfuscated code doesn't need an un-obfuscator to run. Obfuscated code is just kinda optimized, but still 100% valid.
  344. # [11:54] <OzDave_ipad2> Keep it open, offer plugins, go gpl and offer rental lics or fight the never ending battle
  345. # [11:54] <apalmer> mr_lou: i guess that may be true for some, but there are obfuscators out there that turn your js into what appears to be a random string of letters/symbols. a for loop would no longer read as a for loop, for example. These must have an un-obfuscator to work.
  346. # [11:55] <OzDave_ipad2> Golden rule of computing except for on alg. Anything done can be undone.
  347. # [11:55] <mr_lou> apalmer, Hmm.... never heard of those. Will have to look into that.
  348. # [11:55] <apalmer> OzDave_ipad2: That's what I ultimately decided after constantly worrying about my code being stolen. If someone really wants to steal it, then i should be honored
  349. # [11:55] <OzDave_ipad2> Yup
  350. # [11:56] <mr_lou> OzDave_ipad2, Yes, but the more done, the longer an path-to-take-to-undo you create. ;-)
  351. # [11:56] <OzDave_ipad2> it will lead to pain and suffering
  352. # [11:56] <OzDave_ipad2> you will spend more hours stuffing about
  353. # [11:57] <mr_lou> Maybe.
  354. # [11:57] <apalmer> and if someone really wants it they will get it anyway
  355. # [11:57] <mr_lou> But I'm also happy enough with obfuscators.
  356. # [11:57] <OzDave_ipad2> if a smart arse spends his time cracking you and leaks it to a script kiddie button its all over
  357. # [11:57] <mr_lou> My variable names are secret. :-P
  358. # [11:58] <apalmer> plus, don't you love it when you don't understand how something works and you open up Chrome Dev Tools and can figure it out. Chances are people won't want to copy all your code
  359. # [11:58] <OzDave_ipad2> tracing a variable to a seasoned person will understand it in moments
  360. # [11:58] <apalmer> so keep most of your logic on the backend
  361. # [11:58] <apalmer> you could use ajax
  362. # [11:58] <apalmer> if you're really worried, that is
  363. # [11:58] <OzDave_ipad2> if you have multiple variables at different stages built up to another variable you can still trace the combined one
  364. # [11:59] <OzDave_ipad2> never trust the client
  365. # [12:00] <Ms2ger> It's rather unfortunate if you can't trust the client, because it's still the client who has to run your code
  366. # [12:00] <apalmer> yes, but you still shouldn't trust them.
  367. # [12:00] <OzDave_ipad2> if you are dealing with something important then always try to consider it like an authoritive server in game development
  368. # [12:01] <OzDave_ipad2> may I move over there and shoot the fireball, server nods yes
  369. # [12:01] <apalmer> haha
  370. # [12:01] <OzDave_ipad2> :)
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  372. # [12:02] <apalmer> have you ever used websockets?
  373. # [12:03] <OzDave_ipad2> as long as you dont mind the tcp lag factor they are ok
  374. # [12:03] <OzDave_ipad2> if you wer dealing with something like a fast moving fps you might have to add some dropped packet trickery
  375. # [12:03] <OzDave_ipad2> were
  376. # [12:04] <apalmer> ok. i have a site that pulls charts live from the server and right now I use ajax. it sends a request every couple seconds. would you use websockets?
  377. # [12:04] <OzDave_ipad2> I havent used them however understand general multiplayer setups
  378. # [12:04] <apalmer> ok.
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  380. # [12:05] <OzDave_ipad2> looking at the wiki it seems to be deprecated in a few browssers for some sort of security issues
  381. # [12:05] <apalmer> ahh, ok. thanks
  382. # [12:05] <apalmer> that's good to know
  383. # [12:05] <OzDave_ipad2> canvas and json might be the go
  384. # [12:05] <OzDave_ipad2> canvas to make the graphic, json to load a file like xml
  385. # [12:05] <apalmer> i definitely want to get into gaming. I fell in love with the canvas while writing a conway's game of live simulator
  386. # [12:06] <OzDave_ipad2> heeh yup
  387. # [12:06] <OzDave_ipad2> check out unity3d
  388. # [12:06] <apalmer> yea. right now i'm using the google charts api
  389. # [12:06] <OzDave_ipad2> its fricken too easy
  390. # [12:06] <apalmer> ok
  391. # [12:06] <OzDave_ipad2> but its plugin dependent until web gl gets fatter
  392. # [12:07] <apalmer> ok. I'll try to get started in the morning. It's 3 AM here.
  393. # [12:07] <OzDave_ipad2> hehe
  394. # [12:07] <apalmer> There is too much to learn!
  395. # [12:08] <OzDave_ipad2> its all fun
  396. # [12:08] <OzDave_ipad2> would you like fries with that?
  397. # [12:08] <apalmer> for sure. I just started django last week because I got sick of how ugly my php was. haha. and I love python..
  398. # [12:08] <OzDave_ipad2> hehe
  399. # [12:08] <apalmer> nah, i think I have all I can handle atm
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  401. # [12:10] <OzDave_ipad2> all languages eventually become one big messy blob in your head
  402. # [12:10] <apalmer> true. What do you use for web dev?
  403. # [12:10] <OzDave_ipad2> cept for perl! Its syntax hurts stil to this day
  404. # [12:11] <OzDave_ipad2> I come from perl but moved to php
  405. # [12:11] <apalmer> i agree. It's ok when you're writing it, but reading it makes your eyes bleed
  406. # [12:11] <apalmer> ok
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  408. # [12:11] <apalmer> I started on php, but have done some perl
  409. # [12:11] <OzDave_ipad2> php has gd lib, it can make charts from pure code or db as well
  410. # [12:11] <apalmer> and i finally decided to try django because I missed python.
  411. # [12:12] <apalmer> really? I will have to check that out. I think python might as well, but it's probably not as easy.
  412. # [12:12] <OzDave_ipad2> yup
  413. # [12:12] <apalmer> i got a book about data visualizations today and it has some charts so hopefully that'll help out
  414. # [12:12] <apalmer> have you seen google's chart api? It uses svg
  415. # [12:12] <OzDave_ipad2> Id like the time to check out ruby and rails but i keep having to play this game called pay the mortgage :P
  416. # [12:13] <OzDave_ipad2> I havent explored a lot of chart stuff but there is a bunch now out there to choose from
  417. # [12:13] <apalmer> haha, thankfully I don't have that problem yet.
  418. # [12:13] <OzDave_ipad2> It would be nice to add a simple metrics chart for consumer data as well for every web install
  419. # [12:13] <apalmer> i agree!
  420. # [12:13] <OzDave_ipad2> pay the mortgage is far worse then a world of warcraft addiction ;)
  421. # [12:14] <apalmer> but definitely check out google charts. It's so simple. code.google.com/apis/chart/
  422. # [12:14] <OzDave_ipad2> be careful :)
  423. # [12:14] <apalmer> http://code.google.com/apis/chart/
  424. # [12:14] <apalmer> haha, i know..
  425. # [12:14] <apalmer> I have a gran turismo addiction
  426. # [12:14] <OzDave_ipad2> hehe
  427. # [12:14] <OzDave_ipad2> that looks too easy
  428. # [12:15] <OzDave_ipad2> whats the catch? they get to see your data as well?
  429. # [12:15] <apalmer> idk, i read their tos a while ago
  430. # [12:15] <OzDave_ipad2> I had that addicition in psx days
  431. # [12:15] <apalmer> and they do have a method to send data for them
  432. # [12:15] <apalmer> but if i'm not mistaken it said that that was completely optional
  433. # [12:15] <OzDave_ipad2> latley its been this feaking pirates game on the ipad
  434. # [12:16] <apalmer> i haven't seen it. what's it called?
  435. # [12:16] <OzDave_ipad2> admiral ballsack has taken towns and raided many a ship for the dutchies
  436. # [12:16] <apalmer> I also have a serious reddit problem!
  437. # [12:16] <apalmer> hahaha
  438. # [12:16] <OzDave_ipad2> google for sid meiers pirates
  439. # [12:17] <apalmer> I might have to get it. I have a bunch of old itunes cards to burn
  440. # [12:17] <OzDave_ipad2> I was baron ballsack and his trusty seamen but I stayed up late and moved further into the game
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  442. # [12:17] <apalmer> haha
  443. # [12:17] <OzDave_ipad2> :P
  444. # [12:17] <apalmer> price isn't bad either
  445. # [12:17] <OzDave_ipad2> its like $5
  446. # [12:17] <apalmer> yea
  447. # [12:18] <apalmer> are you on your ipad? I see your username
  448. # [12:18] <OzDave_ipad2> yup
  449. # [12:18] <OzDave_ipad2> using a bt kb
  450. # [12:18] <apalmer> nice, colloquy?
  451. # [12:18] <apalmer> oh, ok
  452. # [12:18] <OzDave_ipad2> yup
  453. # [12:19] <apalmer> i bought it earlier today when I decided I would probably be spending a decent bit of time on irc working out django bugs
  454. # [12:19] <OzDave_ipad2> its not bad
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  456. # [12:20] <apalmer> yea. my typing isn't quite up to par on it tho
  457. # [12:20] <OzDave_ipad2> I hear that ;)
  458. # [12:20] <OzDave_ipad2> the virtual one does nothing for me ;)
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  460. # [12:21] <apalmer> me neither. it needs google speech recognition
  461. # [12:21] <apalmer> i have fallen in love with it on my android phone
  462. # [12:21] <apalmer> and it even works in chrome
  463. # [12:22] <OzDave_ipad2> ahh yeah I always have a bgd noise so that stuff never works, I have mac speech, anyway I was in sydney Australia about 1000kms south on holiday testing it at a mates house who has two big dogs, short story I came back after they were barking and the thing said the the the and and the
  464. # [12:22] <OzDave_ipad2> so when dogs bark it means they are saying the the and the!
  465. # [12:23] <OzDave_ipad2> it was really bad on our accents down under
  466. # [12:23] <OzDave_ipad2> after some time it was half decent but I type faster anyway
  467. # [12:23] <apalmer> hahaha
  468. # [12:23] <OzDave_ipad2> failed clients purchase so he gave it tome
  469. # [12:23] <OzDave_ipad2> hehe
  470. # [12:24] <apalmer> but you have the accents everyone wants though!
  471. # [12:24] <OzDave_ipad2> I guess so ;)
  472. # [12:24] <apalmer> I want to come to study abroad and hopefully pick it up
  473. # [12:24] <OzDave_ipad2> hehe
  474. # [12:24] <OzDave_ipad2> here is one its not mell bourne its melbin
  475. # [12:24] <apalmer> haha
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  477. # [12:25] <OzDave_ipad2> :)
  478. # [12:25] <apalmer> You're from Melbin? I have a friend from Melbourne
  479. # [12:25] <OzDave_ipad2> nah but its a common one that "outs" ya :)
  480. # [12:25] <apalmer> oh, gotcha
  481. # [12:26] <OzDave_ipad2> :)
  482. # [12:26] <apalmer> what time is it there?
  483. # [12:26] <OzDave_ipad2> 822pm sunday night
  484. # [12:26] <apalmer> oh wow
  485. # [12:26] <OzDave_ipad2> upsidown and in the fooocha!
  486. # [12:26] <apalmer> haha
  487. # [12:26] <apalmer> did you watch The Chaser?
  488. # [12:27] <apalmer> or was it Chasers?
  489. # [12:27] <OzDave_ipad2> yeah those boys are a crack up
  490. # [12:27] <apalmer> I cannot remember
  491. # [12:27] <OzDave_ipad2> chasers war on everything
  492. # [12:27] <apalmer> Yea. I was so disappointed when they closed down
  493. # [12:27] <OzDave_ipad2> yup
  494. # [12:27] <apalmer> but what's his name is on Balls of Steel Australia now
  495. # [12:27] <apalmer> and the first season was pretty good
  496. # [12:28] <OzDave_ipad2> another show you would probably like is called hungry beast, its like full of motion graphics about stuff happening today etc
  497. # [12:28] <apalmer> I'll google it
  498. # [12:28] <apalmer> I love australian and british humor
  499. # [12:28] <OzDave_ipad2> its more socio awareness stuff but the motion graphic segments are fully sick
  500. # [12:29] <apalmer> ok, sweet. thanks for the recommendation!
  501. # [12:29] <apalmer> Do you watch top gear?
  502. # [12:29] <OzDave_ipad2> no worries m8
  503. # [12:29] <OzDave_ipad2> sometimes
  504. # [12:29] <apalmer> ever seen the uk one?
  505. # [12:29] <OzDave_ipad2> i saw the one when they made a shuttle
  506. # [12:29] <apalmer> yea!
  507. # [12:29] <OzDave_ipad2> omg
  508. # [12:29] <OzDave_ipad2> it didnt detach
  509. # [12:29] <OzDave_ipad2> housten we had a problem
  510. # [12:30] <apalmer> check out finalgear.com. They have every episode!
  511. # [12:30] <apalmer> hahaha
  512. # [12:30] <apalmer> i know, I loved that one
  513. # [12:30] <OzDave_ipad2> hehe i watch more you tube for education of software today
  514. # [12:30] <apalmer> they had an Top Gear australia cast vs top gear uk cast in uk last series. it was AWESOME!
  515. # [12:30] <OzDave_ipad2> ahh neat
  516. # [12:30] <apalmer> do you have that in australia? Here we don't really have any good tech tv
  517. # [12:31] <apalmer> I love documentaries though
  518. # [12:31] <OzDave_ipad2> there was a really old show here called the D generation, its as funny as the chsers, just as rude
  519. # [12:31] <OzDave_ipad2> yeah I trick the ip address and watch hulu and us content from here so I am not the norm
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  521. # [12:31] <apalmer> Degrassi: the next generation?
  522. # [12:32] <apalmer> haha, nice
  523. # [12:32] <OzDave_ipad2> no thats a canadian youth tv show
  524. # [12:32] <apalmer> i did the same to watch the chasers
  525. # [12:32] <apalmer> oh, haha
  526. # [12:32] <OzDave_ipad2> the D generation is really old stuff, let me try and find a segment
  527. # [12:32] <apalmer> ok, thanks
  528. # [12:33] <OzDave_ipad2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC4frcXimz4
  529. # [12:33] <apalmer> what do you think of google+?
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  531. # [12:35] <OzDave_ipad2> I recently suicided from fecalbook and didnt pick up google + I actually liked wave but they killed that as well. social networking to me is like forums for noobs to me, however I make money establishing fb twitter etc accounts for websites so its just bread butter stuff to me
  532. # [12:35] <apalmer> haha, i think i would have liked this show
  533. # [12:35] <OzDave_ipad2> some guys are similar to the chasers ;)
  534. # [12:36] <apalmer> gotcha. I hate facebook too. I haven't deleted it though because it's the one way I communicate with old friends. But I hate the idea of Zuckerberg having any of my information!
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  536. # [12:36] <OzDave_ipad2> I saved my whole list by exporting the data so Ill make a private forum later for my buds and suds
  537. # [12:36] <apalmer> gotcha. good idea
  538. # 06[12:37] * OzDave_ipad2 nods
  539. # [12:37] <apalmer> haha
  540. # [12:37] <OzDave_ipad2> :)
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  543. # [12:38] <apalmer> I'm hoping people will switch to g+ because I can filter my content
  544. # [12:38] <OzDave_ipad2> ja
  545. # [12:38] <apalmer> and I trust google more than facebook
  546. # [12:40] <OzDave_ipad2> I somehow understand that logic
  547. # [12:40] <apalmer> haha. They have done less to betray my trust. and they don't try to hide privacy settings.
  548. # [12:41] <apalmer> actually, they haven't done anything to betray my trust
  549. # [12:42] <OzDave_ipad2> he leaves the security open for the russian mafia :P
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  551. # [12:42] <apalmer> haha, exactly!
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  553. # [12:43] <OzDave_ipad2> i made a graphic for that ;)
  554. # [12:43] <apalmer> really?
  555. # [12:43] <OzDave_mbp> http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loovle6upp1r02s6ko1_500.jpg
  556. # [12:43] <apalmer> hahaha
  557. # [12:44] <OzDave_ipad2> lols
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  559. # [12:44] <OzDave_ipad2> the phpbb king of the web noobs
  560. # [12:45] <apalmer> lol
  561. # [12:46] <apalmer> what does bb stand for?
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  563. # [12:46] <apalmer> i feel like i should know
  564. # [12:46] <OzDave_ipad2> its a very easy but also hackable forum people setup
  565. # [12:47] <OzDave_ipad2> php bulliten board
  566. # [12:47] <apalmer> ill have to check it out
  567. # [12:47] <OzDave_ipad2> buliten board
  568. # [12:47] <OzDave_ipad2> meh
  569. # [12:47] <apalmer> oh, duh. lol
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  572. # [12:49] <OzDave_ipad2> I am having issues with either canvas or svg
  573. # [12:49] <apalmer> hmm, what's going on?
  574. # [12:49] <OzDave_ipad2> There is a free editor called Amaya
  575. # [12:49] <apalmer> i don't have much experience with svg
  576. # [12:49] <apalmer> ok
  577. # [12:49] <OzDave_ipad2> it basically makes svg content
  578. # [12:50] <apalmer> ill check that out!
  579. # [12:50] <OzDave_ipad2> I can also export from illustrator
  580. # [12:50] <apalmer> i've been looking for something like that
  581. # [12:50] <OzDave_ipad2> so if a client sends me a pdf with a vector
  582. # [12:50] <OzDave_ipad2> its ok
  583. # [12:50] <apalmer> sweet!
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  585. # [12:50] <OzDave_ipad2> it will save oodles of time and be similar to canvas numbers
  586. # [12:51] <OzDave_ipad2> you stuff like plot rectangle size and location etc
  587. # [12:51] <apalmer> yea. that's the problem with canvas
  588. # [12:51] <apalmer> and it's a vector so it scales well
  589. # [12:51] <OzDave_ipad2> yup
  590. # [12:51] <OzDave_ipad2> and googles swiffy isnt up to par yet but its ok
  591. # [12:52] <apalmer> i haven't heard of it
  592. # [12:52] <apalmer> android doesn't even support svg
  593. # [12:52] <apalmer> or didn't last i checked
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  595. # [12:52] <OzDave_ipad2> yeah
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  598. # [12:54] <apalmer> do you work in web development?
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  600. # [12:54] <OzDave_ipad2> yeah
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  602. # [12:55] <apalmer> sweet, that's what I'm interning in
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  604. # [12:55] <apalmer> front or backend?
  605. # [12:55] <OzDave_ipad2> ahh nice it will blend into software and games as well
  606. # [12:55] <apalmer> yea! I love it
  607. # [12:55] <OzDave_ipad2> I run a studio so I do back front and client!
  608. # [12:55] <apalmer> that's awesome!
  609. # [12:56] <OzDave_ipad2> I started in html1.0 and there was no clear gif tools ;P
  610. # [12:56] <apalmer> Do you have any recommendations for food design books?
  611. # [12:56] <apalmer> good*
  612. # [12:56] <OzDave_ipad2> you had to download a plugin for photoshop 2.5 to get gif 89a!
  613. # [12:56] <OzDave_ipad2> like it was ubeh multimedia!
  614. # [12:56] <apalmer> haha
  615. # [12:56] <OzDave_ipad2> food design?
  616. # [12:56] <apalmer> good*
  617. # [12:56] <apalmer> haha, I mistyped
  618. # [12:57] <OzDave_ipad2> oh haha
  619. # [12:57] <apalmer> I am a terrible designer, but I want to learn
  620. # [12:57] <OzDave_ipad2> ahh I see, do you have access to an ipad?
  621. # [12:57] <apalmer> yeah
  622. # [12:57] <apalmer> ipad 2
  623. # [12:58] <OzDave_ipad2> there is a very cool app called dexigner
  624. # [12:58] <OzDave_ipad2> all the design house links and theory you could poke a stick at
  625. # [12:58] <apalmer> thanks!
  626. # [12:58] <apalmer> that's awesome
  627. # [12:58] <apalmer> I'm downloading it now
  628. # [12:59] <apalmer> my school doesn't cover design concepts or ideas so I have to learn on my own
  629. # [12:59] <OzDave_ipad2> yeah its a lost artform
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  631. # [12:59] <apalmer> it is.
  632. # [13:00] <OzDave_ipad2> just loading up the mbp as I had nother cool link
  633. # [13:00] <apalmer> one that I want to learn so my boss doesn't have to hire someone else to make my projects look good. haha
  634. # [13:00] <apalmer> sweet, thanks
  635. # [13:00] <OzDave_ipad2> yeah i understand that. if you create a bunch of keywords and then a theme
  636. # [13:01] <OzDave_ipad2> then work out a power word theme cluster, you can fall back to it
  637. # [13:01] <OzDave_ipad2> here we go. do you know about adobe's secret colour site called kuler?
  638. # [13:01] <apalmer> i think i've seen it
  639. # [13:01] <apalmer> but i haven't in over a year
  640. # [13:01] <OzDave_mbp> http://kuler.adobe.com/
  641. # [13:01] <apalmer> sweet, thanks
  642. # [13:01] <OzDave_mbp> upload an image and it will gen a colour pallete
  643. # [13:02] <apalmer> seriously?
  644. # [13:02] <apalmer> that's awesome
  645. # [13:02] <OzDave_mbp> or make your own and then save for illustrator or shloppie flop
  646. # [13:02] <OzDave_mbp> pallettes
  647. # [13:02] <apalmer> sweet, thanks
  648. # [13:02] <apalmer> this will be useful. I never learned the color wheel in school so this will be very helpful
  649. # [13:03] <OzDave_ipad2> yeah its essential to the overall design
  650. # [13:03] <OzDave_ipad2> nature is amazing, take the colours of a flower and the plant
  651. # [13:03] <apalmer> yea. Do you use tables for layout? or is that something from the past?
  652. # [13:03] <apalmer> good idea
  653. # [13:03] <OzDave_ipad2> you can get perfect colour harmony in those methods
  654. # [13:04] <apalmer> I like the "silence haiku(ler)" one
  655. # [13:04] <OzDave_ipad2> I have a tablet 9 x 6 for model retouching but Ive used the mouse for decades so its easier
  656. # [13:04] <OzDave_ipad2> there is an adobe air program that stores colour pallettes, another essential, hang on ill get it as well
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  658. # [13:04] <apalmer> ok. I have a wacom intuous but i haven't pulled it out in ages
  659. # [13:04] <apalmer> thanks
  660. # [13:05] <OzDave_mbp> http://www.webresourcesdepot.com/27-adobe-air-applications-handy-for-web-designers/ its down a bit kuler desktop and the colour apps around them
  661. # [13:05] <OzDave_ipad2> save the palletes per client
  662. # [13:05] <apalmer> ok, thanks
  663. # [13:05] <OzDave_ipad2> typos
  664. # [13:05] <apalmer> i'll get that
  665. # [13:07] <OzDave_mbp> this for fonts http://www.google.com/webfonts
  666. # [13:07] <apalmer> You are setting me up! thank you
  667. # [13:08] <OzDave_ipad2> ill trash my ipad since I am on the mac more :)
  668. # [13:08] <apalmer> haha
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  670. # [13:08] <OzDave_mbp> never hurts to teach what you know, it only makes you understand it better
  671. # [13:08] <OzDave_mbp> there is a very good plugin for firefox, web developer for firebug
  672. # [13:08] <apalmer> so do you use tables still to setup the layout? or is that an old strategy?
  673. # [13:08] <apalmer> good point
  674. # [13:09] <apalmer> i have it
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  676. # [13:09] <OzDave_mbp> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/web-developer/
  677. # [13:09] <apalmer> on chrome too. have you tried Chrome Dev Tools?
  678. # [13:09] <OzDave_mbp> ya
  679. # [13:09] <OzDave_mbp> it depends.
  680. # [13:09] <OzDave_mbp> some clients have a half cocked site
  681. # [13:10] <OzDave_mbp> some clients have an idea
  682. # [13:10] <OzDave_mbp> vector usually
  683. # [13:10] <apalmer> they're both amazing. I heard that the guy who started firebug works for google now, but idk if that's true
  684. # [13:10] <apalmer> ok
  685. # [13:10] <OzDave_mbp> not sure
  686. # [13:10] <apalmer> these google fonts loop easy to use
  687. # [13:11] <OzDave_mbp> web fonts will be good int he future
  688. # [13:11] <OzDave_mbp> use this to transition http://www.modernizr.com/
  689. # [13:11] <apalmer> yea, they really make a big difference
  690. # [13:11] <OzDave_mbp> it allows you to fall back to 4
  691. # [13:11] <apalmer> thanks. I'm bookmarking all of these
  692. # [13:11] <OzDave_mbp> np
  693. # [13:12] <apalmer> that's good.
  694. # [13:12] <apalmer> nothing worse than ie tho.
  695. # [13:12] <OzDave_mbp> yup there is an ie fix plugin as well :)
  696. # [13:12] <apalmer> sweet!
  697. # [13:12] <apalmer> cuz that has been my biggest pain
  698. # [13:12] <OzDave_mbp> http://iefaq.info/index.php?action=artikel&;cat=42&id=133&artlang=en
  699. # [13:12] <apalmer> which is the reason why I like backends. they are consistent. lol
  700. # [13:12] <OzDave_mbp> hehe
  701. # [13:13] <OzDave_mbp> the front end gets even worse with tablets phones etc
  702. # [13:13] <apalmer> that's true. So many stylesheets
  703. # [13:13] <apalmer> for print, phones, ie, everything else. haha
  704. # [13:13] <OzDave_mbp> this will save you hours of pain as well http://www.dynamicdrive.com/
  705. # [13:13] <OzDave_mbp> tried and tested stuff thats documented per browser
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  708. # [13:14] <apalmer> sweet,
  709. # [13:14] <OzDave_mbp> brb
  710. # [13:14] <apalmer> ok
  711. # [13:16] <OzDave_mbp> ok
  712. # [13:16] <OzDave_mbp> thats enought o digest for now ;)
  713. # [13:16] <apalmer> haha
  714. # [13:16] <apalmer> thanks
  715. # [13:17] <OzDave_mbp> np :)
  716. # [13:17] <apalmer> I know you're really busy, but you should definitely consider django if you decide to look for something like rails
  717. # [13:17] <OzDave_mbp> ok
  718. # [13:18] <apalmer> they have an easy tutorial on djangoproject.com
  719. # [13:18] <apalmer> i like it because it seems more like php to me in that you seem to have more control/easier control of the database
  720. # [13:18] <apalmer> and you can do traditional sql queries very easily
  721. # [13:19] <apalmer> i've only been playing with it for 3 or 4 days though. but it is fun.
  722. # [13:19] <OzDave_mbp> I use whatever the client started in usually, repair jobs can be good money
  723. # [13:20] <OzDave_mbp> joomla, drupal, word press , servers half cocked
  724. # [13:20] <OzDave_mbp> cms and facebook pages have been pretty constant
  725. # [13:20] <apalmer> ok, cool
  726. # [13:20] <OzDave_mbp> lots of people stuff it up then get someone to do it properly ;)
  727. # [13:20] <apalmer> i worked at an advertising agency last summer and they did a lot of social media projects for clients
  728. # [13:20] <apalmer> seems to be a pretty big business
  729. # [13:21] <OzDave_mbp> yeah its good money to bundle with the site
  730. # [13:21] <OzDave_mbp> it seems the norm
  731. # [13:21] <apalmer> haha
  732. # [13:21] <apalmer> yea
  733. # [13:21] <OzDave_mbp> web campaigns - instead of website today same cost different word, so stupid
  734. # [13:21] <apalmer> if you do the managing too you should checkout hootsuite it used to be free, but now it's on a freemium model.
  735. # [13:21] <apalmer> or something
  736. # [13:21] <apalmer> haha, yea
  737. # [13:21] <OzDave_mbp> yeah social media deck
  738. # [13:22] <OzDave_mbp> what you do is offer to write the client a years worth of calendar tweets and social media driven project events in a calendar
  739. # [13:22] <OzDave_mbp> then they just follow the cal.
  740. # [13:22] <apalmer> yea. haha
  741. # [13:23] <OzDave_mbp> brb again
  742. # [13:23] <apalmer> k
  743. # [13:25] <OzDave_mbp> addicted to korean spicey miso and snow peas, be careful becoming eccentric if you do lots of freelance work from home! :P
  744. # [13:25] <apalmer> haha
  745. # [13:25] <OzDave_mbp> :)
  746. # [13:25] <apalmer> I would be more worried about starving. I am usually too lazy when i'm home to eat
  747. # [13:26] <OzDave_mbp> snow peas to the rescue! and food delivery from super markets
  748. # [13:26] <apalmer> they deliver there?
  749. # [13:26] <OzDave_mbp> yup
  750. # [13:27] <apalmer> that's awesome. I can't even get pizza delivered to my house
  751. # [13:27] <OzDave_mbp> bummer mate
  752. # [13:27] <apalmer> well my old house, we just moved
  753. # [13:27] <apalmer> these kuler color palets are sweet
  754. # [13:27] <apalmer> pallets
  755. # [13:28] <OzDave_mbp> yeah!
  756. # [13:28] <OzDave_mbp> saves oodles of time
  757. # [13:28] <OzDave_mbp> plug in the pdf colours from the clients logo and your halfway there
  758. # [13:28] <apalmer> and they're much better than I could do
  759. # [13:28] <OzDave_mbp> if they dont supply a palette
  760. # [13:29] <apalmer> good idea! Do you do that from the site, or the app?
  761. # [13:29] <OzDave_mbp> colour harmony is a black art
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  763. # [13:29] <OzDave_mbp> site
  764. # [13:29] <apalmer> yea, one that i'll probably never master
  765. # [13:30] <apalmer> where is the upload option?
  766. # [13:30] <OzDave_mbp> create an account
  767. # [13:30] <apalmer> I have one
  768. # [13:30] <OzDave_mbp> click create
  769. # [13:30] <apalmer> an old one
  770. # [13:30] <OzDave_mbp> from an image
  771. # [13:30] <OzDave_mbp> upload or flickr
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  773. # [13:31] <OzDave_mbp> ahh I remember one more
  774. # [13:31] <apalmer> wait, where is that option?
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  776. # [13:31] <OzDave_mbp> under the flower example image
  777. # [13:31] <apalmer> oh, i see.
  778. # [13:31] <apalmer> thank
  779. # [13:31] <apalmer> thanks*
  780. # [13:31] <OzDave_mbp> this other one is a cheap way to get images that would normally cost buckets
  781. # [13:31] <OzDave_mbp> http://www.123rf.com/
  782. # [13:31] <OzDave_mbp> a image will pull a design along
  783. # [13:32] <apalmer> sweet
  784. # [13:32] <OzDave_mbp> nods
  785. # [13:32] <OzDave_mbp> resell them to the client
  786. # [13:32] <apalmer> haha
  787. # [13:32] <apalmer> good idea
  788. # [13:32] <OzDave_mbp> :P
  789. # [13:33] <apalmer> ok, well I should probably go pass out. it's 4:30
  790. # [13:33] <apalmer> i added you to my buddies list so I'll hopefully see you on here again
  791. # [13:33] <OzDave_mbp> k have fun! take care cya here another time
  792. # [13:33] <OzDave_mbp> :)
  793. # [13:33] <apalmer> for sure! you too :)
  794. # [13:33] <apalmer> thanks again!
  795. # [13:33] <OzDave_mbp> cya! :)
  796. # [13:33] <OzDave_mbp> nw
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  814. # [14:09] <jacof> hi amigos ?
  815. # [14:09] <jacof> everyone sleeping ?
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  818. # [14:12] <jacof> Hmmm.... ok.. question: two <label>'s for one <input> one for pre and one for sub. Valid?
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  825. # [14:18] <jacof> I'm making this html5 website but I'm reaaaaallly worried..
  826. # [14:19] <Ms2ger> That's fine, I think
  827. # [14:21] <jacof> i'm using all the nifty inputs and type="datetime-local" and I'm heeeeeeeeeeeeeell worried
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  848. # [14:55] <amigojapan> hi, I am new to html5 , howcome when I activate the commented setTimeout funtions my browser freezes? http://192.168.1.100/html5/test.html
  849. # [14:56] <moo-_-> amigojapan: you cannot paste internal network IP to internet
  850. # [14:56] <moo-_-> amigojapan: please use jsfiddle.net
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  853. # [15:00] <amigojapan> hi, I am new to html5 , howcome when I activate the commented setTimeout funtions my browser freezes? http://ideone.com/lOOBD
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  856. # [15:02] <moo-_-> amigojapan: it's because Javascript is run in user interface thread
  857. # [15:02] <moo-_-> amigojapan: and if your javascript never returns
  858. # [15:02] <moo-_-> the user interface thread won't get the control back
  859. # [15:03] <moo-_-> amigojapan: you see, you have a loop going forever there
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  861. # [15:03] <amigojapan> moo-_-: how am I supposed to make my circle go back and fouth withought creating a loop?
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  863. # [15:03] <moo-_-> amigojapan: you create a method which is called by setInterval()
  864. # [15:04] <moo-_-> and each time the method is called it will move the circle
  865. # [15:04] <amigojapan> I see moo-_- , thanx I will try it out
  866. # [15:06] <amigojapan> moo-_-: does the parameter to set interval haveto be in quotes or not?
  867. # [15:08] <moo-_-> amigojapan: no
  868. # [15:08] <moo-_-> amigojapan: for javascript code examples
  869. # [15:09] <moo-_-> use mozilla development center
  870. # [15:09] <moo-_-> google mdc javascriptfunctionname
  871. # [15:09] <amigojapan> thanx
  872. # [15:09] <moo-_-> and you get some good documentation
  873. # [15:09] <moo-_-> not that w3cschool crap
  874. # [15:09] <amigojapan> I thought w3schools was good :/
  875. # [15:10] <moo-_-> no
  876. # [15:10] <moo-_-> it is just search engine optimized
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  880. # [15:16] <amigojapan> moo-_-: when I take off the double quotes firebug says "useless setInterval call (missing quotes around argument?)"
  881. # [15:18] <moo-_-> amigojapan: please paste your code to jsfiddle.org
  882. # [15:18] <moo-_-> and I can show how to fix it
  883. # [15:18] <moo-_-> or was it jsfiddle.net
  884. # [15:19] <amigojapan> moo-_-: I tried, am I supposed to paste it all to the html portion? do I haveto split it?
  885. # [15:20] <amigojapan> moo-_-: is it jsfiffle.org or .net?
  886. # [15:20] <amigojapan> jsfiddle.org?
  887. # [15:20] <moo-_-> jsfiddle
  888. # [15:20] <amigojapan> .what?
  889. # [15:20] <moo-_-> amigojapan: you see it when you arrive there :)
  890. # [15:20] <moo-_-> jsut google
  891. # [15:20] <amigojapan> ok I will google it
  892. # [15:20] <moo-_-> I am too bored to google for you :)
  893. # [15:23] <amigojapan> ok moo-_- here it is http://jsfiddle.net/nKKHZ/
  894. # [15:23] <moo-_-> amigojapan: yes
  895. # [15:24] <moo-_-> you need to give setInterval() a function as a parameter
  896. # [15:24] <amigojapan> I am
  897. # [15:24] <moo-_-> now you call function Update()
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  899. # [15:24] <moo-_-> amigojapan: you need to learn a little more Javascript tricks... how to pass function
  900. # [15:24] <amigojapan> so, I shouldnt put the ()?
  901. # [15:24] <moo-_-> setInterval(Update ,300)
  902. # [15:25] <moo-_-> this is the proper syntax
  903. # [15:25] <moo-_-> but you need to get c (context) internally in the function
  904. # [15:25] <amigojapan> moo-_-: but then I cant pass the argument canvas
  905. # [15:25] <moo-_-> you cannot pass parameters in that point
  906. # [15:25] <moo-_-> unless you use a closure design pattern
  907. # [15:25] <moo-_-> amigojapan: can you try to google around how to do you javascript closures?
  908. # [15:25] <moo-_-> it's a long thing to explain in IRC :(
  909. # [15:25] <amigojapan> ok
  910. # [15:27] <amigojapan> ok moo-_- thanx, I was able to move the circle, it seems that I dont need to pass the canvas as a parameter, javascript allows c to be globally visible, but this is kidn of messy, it dirties up the namespace
  911. # [15:28] <amigojapan> but it works
  912. # [15:28] <moo-_-> amigojapan: you can avoid polluting global namespace with closures
  913. # [15:28] <moo-_-> amigojapan: but good to know it works!
  914. # [15:28] <mr_lou> Well, time to go on vacation. See ya!
  915. # [15:28] <amigojapan> thanx anyway moo-_- , I was able to do what I wanted
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  924. # [16:03] <amigojapan> any idea why my circle leaves a wake behind it? http://jsfiddle.net/nKKHZ/1/
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  926. # [16:05] <moo-_-> amigojapan: you don't clear canvas?
  927. # [16:05] <amigojapan> moo-_-: I dont know the function call....
  928. # [16:05] <moo-_-> the drawing operations are additional
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  930. # [16:06] <moo-_-> amigojapan: google mdc canvas
  931. # [16:06] <amigojapan> ok
  932. # [16:06] <moo-_-> just create a rectangle which fills the whole canvas
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  936. # [16:06] <OzDave_mbp> yup you are not refreshing the screen back to white between the positions
  937. # [16:08] <amigojapan> OzDave_mbp: I draw a white circle before drawing the red one, that should clear it
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  941. # [16:08] <OzDave_mbp> as long as the drawing components doesnt get to complex
  942. # [16:08] <OzDave_mbp> in some older 3d programs you can sometimes see that when you can see beyond the polygons that clip the cameras view, by not clipping you gain some speed
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  948. # [16:18] <OzDave_mbp> http://jsfiddle.net/nKKHZ/1/
  949. # [16:18] <OzDave_mbp> http://pastebin.com/t79EQrTf
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  951. # [16:19] <amigojapan> ok, I got a nice moving japanese flag now http://192.168.1.100/html5/test.html
  952. # [16:19] <OzDave_mbp> the circle your painting is missing the edges slightly, as you add more stuff the simple paint white box will be much more efficient then chasing your shapes tail
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  955. # [16:20] <OzDave_mbp> amigo we cant see your local ip lol
  956. # [16:20] <amigojapan> http://jsfiddle.net/nKKHZ/6/
  957. # [16:21] <amigojapan> sorry
  958. # [16:21] <amigojapan> this is it http://jsfiddle.net/nKKHZ/6/
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  960. # [16:23] <plh_> you also do this kind of anim with css3 animation btw. however won't work on as many browsers
  961. # [16:23] <amigojapan> plh_: well, I am trying to learn html5 cause it seems to be the next best thing
  962. # [16:27] <plh_> in such case, don't use bgcolor on the body element
  963. # [16:27] <plh_> it's not conforming, see http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/obsolete.html#non-conforming-features
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  1033. # [20:03] <basti_> hey people. i'm toying around with the mozilla audio api on firefox. I discovered that not every sample written is played back.
  1034. # [20:03] <basti_> how come and what do i do?
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  1036. # [20:03] <basti_> is this an artifact of internal buffering?
  1037. # [20:04] <snover> grantg would be the one to know. or, you know, someone on mozilla’s irc :)
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  1039. # [20:05] <basti_> i see
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  1041. # [20:06] <grantg> what OS?
  1042. # [20:06] <basti_> linux
  1043. # [20:06] <grantg> :(
  1044. # [20:06] <grantg> firefox has audio probs on linux in my own experience
  1045. # [20:07] <basti_> it tends to have, but i haven't expected that
  1046. # [20:07] <grantg> moz audio on linux is busted
  1047. # [20:07] <grantg> it buffers in strange ways
  1048. # [20:08] <grantg> usually too much / too little
  1049. # [20:08] <basti_> that helps at least in the way that it's "normal" to be broken in that place
  1050. # [20:08] <grantg> heh
  1051. # [20:08] <basti_> I'll file a bug or something
  1052. # [20:09] <grantg> heh
  1053. # [20:09] <grantg> There might be one filed already
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  1108. # [21:52] <paul_irish> retlehs: https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/issues/626
  1109. # [21:52] <paul_irish> fyi
  1110. # [21:52] <paul_irish> OH nvm. looks like u got it under control :)
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  1117. # [22:18] <AppelonD> If I have an <div> containing my <header>, <nav>, <article>, <section>, <aside> on top of a background image from the <body> is there a way for me to underlay all my elements warped inside my <div> with a gradient, using CSS3 ?
  1118. # [22:20] <AppelonD> I have tried with background-image: url("picture.png") but the div don't expand with it's containing elements
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