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12. # [00:24] <swalk> kollapse: well its more about just not making the sprite file size huge
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186. # [02:56] <daveluke> hi, anyone here use impactjs?
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199. # [03:18] <tw2113> i find it kind of odd that one person would fork 5 of my github repos
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202. # [03:18] <thatryan> stop forking yourself
203. # [03:18] <tw2113> https://github.com/jimdakota95
204. # [03:19] <tw2113> we'll see if he does any pull requests
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219. # [04:18] <paul_irish> techrush++
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260. # [06:34] <ryanneufeld> is it possible to have a div with a fixed height, overflow x without having a width set?
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264. # [06:51] <OzDave_mbp> a scrolling x div of sorts?
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267. # [07:10] <ryanneufeld> yeah
268. # [07:10] <ryanneufeld> it's supposed to be a list of thumbnails
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436. # [12:30] <Ms2ger> [07:12] <annevk> where is ms2ger?
437. # [12:30] <Ms2ger> At 7 AM? What were you thinking? :)
438. # [12:32] <Ms2ger> And what was I thinking to paste that in the wrong channel?
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494. # [14:26] <carlesso> Hi all guys. A question. Is possible (and how) to drag/drop a file in a browser and have it to populate a normal Form?
495. # [14:26] <carlesso> I mean, I do not want an asynchrony upload, I just want to have the input field stetted when I submit the form
496. # [14:28] <chachan> carlesso, I haven't tried but I found this in html5rocks: http://www.thecssninja.com/javascript/gmail-dragout
497. # [14:30] <carlesso> sorry chachan, but I don't think it's the same thing I need! But interesting read
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499. # [14:32] <chachan> carlesso, right, this is for uploading http://www.thecssninja.com/javascript/gmail-upload
500. # [14:32] <chachan> carlesso, there're some links in html5rocks, take a look ;)
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505. # [14:34] <carlesso> yeah, they're awesome
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568. # [15:59] <Zeddy> android sucks ass btw
569. # [15:59] <Zeddy> <a href="#"> makes it go crazy.
570. # [15:59] <Michael> How do you really feel?
571. # [16:00] <Zeddy> i have onClick functions for the <a href element, they won't fire on android due to ="#"
572. # [16:00] <Zeddy> http://www.kokonniemi.fi/guide/index.php/view/map/1/1#page-2
573. # [16:00] <Zeddy> the back button
574. # [16:00] <Michael> Can you do the hacky way with javascript:void ?
575. # [16:01] <Zeddy> <a href="#" onClick="javascript:void">back</a> ?
576. # [16:01] <Zeddy> that didn't help
577. # [16:01] <CrashTest_> Or less hacky and do a real link with a prevent default in the js function?
578. # [16:01] <Michael> No <a href="javascript:void(0);"
579. # [16:02] <Michael> Oh I assumed it was going crazy prior to the JS call for some reason
580. # [16:02] <Zeddy> <a href="javascript:void(0);">back</a>
581. # [16:02] <Zeddy> lots of non-gay love
582. # [16:02] <Michael> Dude speak english
583. # [16:02] <Michael> I don't know what ass sucking non-gay love has to do with a hyper link
584. # [16:02] <Zeddy> got it working
585. # [16:02] <Michael> sweet
586. # [16:02] <Zeddy> well, 30 minutes of time wasted
587. # [16:03] <Zeddy> too bad im not getting paid for this
588. # [16:03] <Michael> Better than an hour!
589. # [16:03] <Zeddy> true
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591. # [16:04] <danielfilho> $('a').attr('href', '#').scrollTop(); ?
592. # [16:04] <danielfilho> with a return false?
593. # [16:05] <danielfilho> something like that.
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595. # [16:08] <danielfilho> $('a[href=#]').scrollTop(); sounds better.
596. # [16:08] <danielfilho> assuming you're using jquery.
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624. # [17:03] <jn> http://cl.ly/400T0o0b310w461r2n0l
625. # [17:03] <jn> FML
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631. # [17:07] <Ms2ger> Lovely
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643. # [17:16] <Jon47> I've seen labels for inputs used two ways:
644. # [17:16] <Jon47> <label><input type="checkbox" name="thing">A thing</label>
645. # [17:16] <Jon47> and
646. # [17:16] <Jon47> <input type="checkbox" name="thing"><label for="thing">A Thing</label>
647. # [17:16] <Jon47> I've always done it the second way but the first way seems to work as I'd expect, is there any reason to use one over the other?
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653. # [17:25] <Ms2ger> Jon47, no, both are fine
654. # [17:25] <Jon47> ok, ty
655. # [17:26] <ericduran> neither should matter I put it before the input
656. # [17:26] <Jon47> yeah looks like both are accepted: http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Elements/label
657. # [17:26] <Jon47> shoulda checked that first ;) thanks for the help
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674. # [17:39] <Ms2ger> plh_, do you know where these wiki pages like http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Elements/label come from?
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676. # [17:39] <Michael> From the proposal process
677. # [17:40] <plh_> ms2ger, not sure what you mean by come from
678. # [17:41] <plh_> each page have an history
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680. # [17:42] <Ms2ger> Well yes, someone I don't know just started creating a metric crapton of pages, with no reason for that I've found
681. # [17:43] <Jon47> i found it useful
682. # [17:43] <plh_> if you're asking who Hiroki is
683. # [17:43] <plh_> he is from the internet academy
684. # 06[17:43] * plh_ looks for a link
685. # [17:44] <plh_> he wrote about it in http://www.w3.org/QA/archive/web_spotting/tutorials/
686. # [17:46] <Ms2ger> I see
687. # [17:47] <Ms2ger> And I see someone told him about MDN already
688. # [17:48] <Ms2ger> Rather unhelpful to duplicate effort, but hey, it's his time
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695. # [17:54] <digital-ghost> Hey guys, what's the quickest way to pick up HTML5 and the standards that go with it?
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698. # [17:57] <Michael> I recommend Lynda.com
699. # [17:58] <Michael> You pay for a membership but it has tons of courses
700. # [17:58] <Michael> And it's pretty inexpensive
701. # [17:58] <Michael> Then you can just put on your headphones and go about your day while listening to HTML5 courses
702. # [17:59] <NoNoNo> digital-ghost: http://diveintohtml5.org/
703. # [17:59] <NoNoNo> digital-ghost: http://html5boilerplate.com/
704. # [18:00] <NoNoNo> digital-ghost: http://www.whatwg.org/html5
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706. # [18:00] <Michael> whatwg! nimbu that was the site I couldn't remember
707. # [18:01] <nimbu> Michael: :|||
708. # [18:01] <nimbu> how can you not remember whatwg
709. # [18:01] <Michael> because I have to remember 50 million other things on a daily basis!
710. # [18:01] <Michael> My brain is a stack lol
711. # [18:02] <Michael> a small fifo stack
712. # [18:02] <nimbu> agreed but you need to have whatwg sticky smwhere
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714. # [18:02] <Michael> Adding to my monitor :D
715. # [18:03] <nimbu> :)
716. # [18:03] <Michael> added
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721. # [18:13] <digital-ghost> NoNoNo, thanks. Been on the diveintohtml5.org site before.
722. # [18:13] <digital-ghost> whatwg is new to me.
723. # [18:14] <digital-ghost> What really weirds me out is how the meta information is like, obliterated
724. # [18:15] <Michael> In HTML5 you can add meta information to lots of elements
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726. # [18:16] <Michael> And meta is allowed in body
727. # [18:17] <Ms2ger> Only for microdata, though
728. # [18:17] <Michael> Look at HTML5 data attributes and meta/itemprop
729. # [18:17] <digital-ghost> Yeah :)
730. # [18:17] <Michael> http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=176035 has good examples
731. # [18:18] <Michael> Awesome for analytics too
732. # [18:18] <digital-ghost> I'm about to start working on my first gig ever and was thinking maybe I should set it up in HTML5. (For a Worksource based website)
733. # [18:18] <digital-ghost> Figure any marketing leverage their non profit can get from seo would be of benefit.
734. # [18:18] <digital-ghost> And a good time to switch from HTML4
735. # [18:18] <Michael> You definitely want html5boilerplate.com then
736. # [18:19] <Michael> ANd check out Modernizr
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738. # [18:19] <digital-ghost> Thanks for the google link, thats good stuff.
739. # [18:19] <Michael> np :(
740. # [18:19] <Michael> :) rather lol
741. # [18:20] <digital-ghost> I've seen Modernizr before - is there much different between that and boilerplate?
742. # [18:20] <digital-ghost> As far as design goes, I can't stand the HTML5 websites that look like boilerplate regurgitated.
743. # [18:20] <nimbu> hahaha
744. # [18:20] <nimbu> what are those sites digital-ghost?
745. # [18:21] <Michael> digital-ghost, Modernizr complements html5bp
746. # [18:21] <Michael> It offers shims and fallbacks for unsupported browsers
747. # [18:21] <Michael> Makes life a lot easier
748. # [18:21] <digital-ghost> Ugh, such as designer portfolios. If you look at the "trends" going around, it's like designers just quit.
749. # [18:21] <nimbu> example?
750. # [18:21] <digital-ghost> Michael, yeah that was my only worry to switching.
751. # [18:21] <digital-ghost> nimbu: One sec.
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753. # [18:25] <digital-ghost> Fuck, I had a folder setup of every site I came into contact that had the damn boilerplate look but now I can't find it of course.
754. # [18:25] <digital-ghost> Still digging.
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822. # [19:13] <sic1> this might be a stretch, but, has anyone know of a javascript solution to add the mp3 codec to chromium?
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831. # [19:15] <sic1> and i cant use flash...
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846. # [19:20] <Ms2ger> Don't do that
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855. # [19:29] <Zeddy> is there a way to hide the browser scrollbar? :P
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857. # [19:30] <Ms2ger> Don't do that
858. # [19:30] <Ms2ger> :)
859. # [19:31] <sandprickle> would overflow: hidden; do it?
860. # [19:31] <Jayflux> Zeddy html { overflow: hidden; }
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866. # [19:36] <David_Bradbury> In HTML, you can specify an Input field to type="number" - This allows devices that support it to show up with a numeric keyboard, with the option of switching back to text
867. # [19:36] <David_Bradbury> Is there a way to do this while still allowing text input?
868. # [19:36] <David_Bradbury> mobile*
869. # [19:37] <paul_irish> :S
870. # [19:38] <paul_irish> you want a numeric keyboard on mobile but text input allowed on mobile and desktop?
871. # [19:38] <nimbu> well you could have two inputs and switch display based on what button a user clicks?
872. # [19:39] <David_Bradbury> Well I'm basically getting input to find a stadium seat
873. # [19:39] <David_Bradbury> most of the time it is numbers
874. # [19:39] <David_Bradbury> but occasionally there is an "a" or something that is slipped in
875. # [19:40] <paul_irish> you can define your own @pattern attribute
876. # [19:40] <paul_irish> for that
877. # [19:40] <paul_irish> but as for keyboard on mobile. i think they are exclusive
878. # [19:40] <David_Bradbury> Pattern isn't working in Android =/
879. # [19:41] <David_Bradbury> But that's what it is looking like
880. # [19:41] <paul_irish> input validation polyfill!
881. # [19:41] <paul_irish> :p
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883. # [19:41] <paul_irish> i'd check out webshim for that
884. # [19:42] <David_Bradbury> xD
885. # [19:43] <David_Bradbury> Yeah, and I mean, if there isn't one, throwing it together in JS wouldn't be difficult
886. # [19:43] <David_Bradbury> Oh, looks like webshim has it
887. # [19:46] <paul_irish> this is one of those things where ive seen people try to write their own and miss edge cases that bite them a lot.
888. # [19:46] <paul_irish> at least take inspiration from that one :)
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891. # [19:47] <David_Bradbury> Heh I can imagine
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896. # [19:52] <David_Bradbury> Interesting... Been working on this canvas app for work... Was getting about 3 FPS on mobile devices / 28 fps on desktop with using multiple PNG images with transparency. But by using a single JPG image I'm almost FPS capped at 58fps on desktop, with 20 fps on mobile
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917. # [20:30] <xonecas> o/
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919. # [20:32] <xonecas> Does anyone recommend a good article about git? I remeber seeing one very tutorial like but can't find it?
920. # [20:34] <Jon47> David_bradbury yeah opacity is a real killer
921. # [20:34] <nimbu> ?g git immersion @ xonecas
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923. # [20:34] <bot-t> xonecas, Git Immersion - Brought to you by EdgeCase - http://gitimmersion.com/
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932. # [20:47] <sic1> wow that Git Immersion site is awesome, thanks
933. # [20:47] <nimbu> mp
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937. # [20:57] <danielfilho> does google changed anything on google web fonts?
938. # [20:57] <danielfilho> stopped to work suddenly :(
939. # [20:57] <danielfilho> mine at least.
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941. # [21:00] <tw2113> i saw someone else having issues with google fonts the other day
942. # [21:00] <tw2113> personally, it lends credibility to self hosting fonts used imho
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945. # [21:01] <sandprickle> I like you you can only download the chars you need tho
946. # [21:02] <xonecas> @ nimbu you are awesome, thank you *does respectfull bow*
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949. # [21:07] <sandprickle> Hey I have not really had a good book to read on HTML/CSS that's up-to-date and all; I've been following the trends to some extent... I don't feel like I know the basics like I should... wishing for a good book or a quiz or something... any advice?
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951. # [21:08] <tw2113> sandprickle i'd suggest getting a combination of html4 fundamentals down and then add in the new html5 tags and whatnot
952. # [21:08] <tw2113> majority of the html4 stuff is still valid
953. # [21:08] <sandprickle> it's the HTML4 stuff that's the prob I think
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955. # [21:09] <tw2113> books on those will be much more "stable" in that we've been using that stuff for years and it's all pretty ironed out
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957. # [21:09] <tw2113> or just use the internet for the fundamentals
958. # [21:10] <tw2113> why waste money on some paper with the same info
959. # [21:10] <sandprickle> Yeah I'm prob lazy but I think a quiz would be nice that way If I get It right I know I know it
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961. # [21:13] <tw2113> well, validate your code, that'll help tell you if you're doing things right
962. # [21:13] <sandprickle> just not sure how much I know I guess.. or what to compare myself to
963. # [21:13] <sandprickle> yeah I do that
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1056. # [23:14] <xonecas> ok I have a question, with jQuery, this line work on chrome but not firefox
1057. # [23:14] <xonecas> $('body').keypress(function(ev){ console.log(ev.which) });
1058. # [23:14] <xonecas> while the same exact thing applied to html works on both
1059. # [23:15] <xonecas> *I mean the <html> tag
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1068. # [23:29] <Jayflux> xonecas #jquery
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1086. # [23:56] <gavacho> the object being passed into your anonymous function isn't the same as the native event object
1087. # [23:56] <gavacho> check documentation http://api.jquery.com/category/events/event-object/
1088. # [23:57] <paul_irish> xonecas: create a fiddle to repro and ask #jquery
1089. # [23:58] <gavacho> oh my bad, misunderstood your question
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