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  15. # [00:31] <WILDsharustar> omg: http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2011/07/page-speed-service-web-performance.html
  16. # [00:31] <WILDsharustar> ambitious
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  35. # [01:08] <xonecas> paul_irish: thanks, doing that now
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  37. # [01:12] <xonecas> great, apparently it's my codes fault event though I can reproduce it in fiddle: http://jsfiddle.net/dydkJ/
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  44. # [01:36] <humph> paul_irish: http://processingjs.nihongoresources.com/the_smallest_font/
  45. # [01:36] <humph> so good
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  50. # [01:42] <paul_irish> haha this is awesome
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  52. # [01:42] <paul_irish> humph: does FF now run OTS as much as Chrome has been?
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  55. # [01:45] <paul_irish> also..
  56. # [01:45] <paul_irish> FF's fout behavior is much different in 4+ than it was in 3.6
  57. # [01:46] <paul_irish> so part of this paragraph isnt correct any longer
  58. # [01:46] <paul_irish> :p
  59. # [01:46] <paul_irish> :o rather
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  178. # [05:05] <niftylettuce> paul_irish: is there a vid up yet of your talk?
  179. # [05:05] <paul_irish> cssperf?
  180. # [05:05] <paul_irish> nah was thinkin about recording it tonight
  181. # [05:05] <paul_irish> BUT THEN YOUR GROWL FUCKING INTERRUPTED IT
  182. # [05:05] <paul_irish> jk
  183. # [05:05] <paul_irish> 3
  184. # [05:05] <paul_irish> <3
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  186. # [05:06] <niftylettuce> :)
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  205. # [05:45] <tigerpaw> what talk did paul give?
  206. # [05:46] <tigerpaw> url
  207. # [05:53] <daveluke> anyone here used pusher?
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  264. # [07:56] <niftylettuce> thought you said usher at first
  265. # [07:56] <niftylettuce> need moar coffee
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  274. # [08:09] <dpogue> Has anyone investigated browser caching in conjunction with the html <base> tag?
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  317. # [09:29] <amigojapan> both android and iphone browsers it seems, dont provide any way to drag the mouse.... this is bad for html5 apps
  318. # [09:32] <OzDave_mbp> kiss mouse over goodbye as well
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  320. # [09:34] <niftylettuce> OzDave_mbp: just wait till you can hover your finger over touch-screen...
  321. # [09:34] <OzDave_mbp> when? :P
  322. # [09:35] <niftylettuce> OzDave_mbp: http://www.neowin.net/news/cypress-semiconductor-shows-off-touchscreen-with-hover-detection
  323. # [09:35] <niftylettuce> ^ there you go... already done bro
  324. # [09:35] <niftylettuce> and that over a year ago
  325. # [09:35] <OzDave_mbp> did you hear about iphone 6 as well having solar powered screen?
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  327. # [09:36] <niftylettuce> and the iphone 8 will not even be a phone
  328. # [09:36] <niftylettuce> solar powered so the battery lasts even ... shorter
  329. # [09:37] <niftylettuce> tesla would have solved all our problems...
  330. # [09:38] <OzDave_mbp> whats make me laugh is the apps will be front ends to website servers
  331. # [09:38] <OzDave_mbp> so all these apps we bought are junk in a few years
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  333. # [09:40] <niftylettuce> there needs to be a company called Higgs with a device called the Boson
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  336. # [09:41] <OzDave_mbp> wont be long til that is cracked
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  338. # [09:42] <OzDave_mbp> there is a free app called particle zoo, its badly made in design but good for a list of minute particles out there
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  349. # [10:00] <danbeam_> tw2113: Y U SMACK ME?!
  350. # [10:00] <tw2113> i forget
  351. # [10:00] <tw2113> but i did it with <3
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  353. # [10:01] <danbeam_> tw2113: besides, I don't work at a company that ends with an exclamation mark any more, :P (as of 2 weeks ago)
  354. # [10:01] <tw2113> i know, thus why i chose that
  355. # [10:01] <danbeam_> tw2113: you're odd
  356. # [10:01] <tw2113> i'd be boring if i wasn't
  357. # [10:02] <danbeam_> tw2113: word
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  414. # [12:16] <ben_c> Does anyone know a way to detect if position:fixed is available? iPhone and Android <2.1 change it to behave like absolute but don't update the property
  415. # [12:17] <phrearch> ben_c: detect browser agent?
  416. # [12:17] <ben_c> I wanted to avoid that, but it might be the easiest way
  417. # [12:18] <ben_c> It's being wrapped up in PhoneGap anyway so I know what devices it'll be available on
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  419. # [12:18] <phrearch> maybe something like http://www.modernizr.com/ ?
  420. # [12:18] <ben_c> oh I can even use PhoneGap to get the device version thinking about it
  421. # [12:19] <ben_c> I don't think modernizr has a position:fixed check
  422. # [12:19] <phrearch> aha
  423. # [12:19] <phrearch> its a simple trick they do
  424. # [12:19] <phrearch> see http://www.sitepoint.com/detect-css3-property-browser-support/
  425. # [12:19] <phrearch> "rolling your own detection code"
  426. # [12:20] <phrearch> just create a dom element and check for the appropriate style propery
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  428. # [12:20] <phrearch> ehm, never mind. that may not work for position i guess
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  430. # [12:21] <ben_c> Yeah I tried that already, mobile safari returns 'fixed' even though it behaves like absolute
  431. # [12:21] <ben_c> Also tried moving the page slightly and detecting it's position to see if it had moved or stayed the same but that didn't work
  432. # [12:22] <ben_c> I'll use PhoneGap device info for now but look at a more solid solution in the meantime
  433. # [12:23] <phrearch> ben_c: something like http://kangax.github.com/cft/#IS_POSITION_FIXED_SUPPORTED ?
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  435. # [12:24] <ben_c> Yeah that's basically what I tried, doesn't work on mobile safari thouhg
  436. # [12:24] <ben_c> *though.
  437. # [12:24] <phrearch> hm, too bad
  438. # [12:24] <ben_c> Yeah, not the end of the world for now, just thought I'd see if there was a more elegant way
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  440. # [12:41] <paul_irish> there is a pos fixed test in feature-tests/ in the modernizr repo
  441. # [12:41] <paul_irish> but
  442. # [12:41] <paul_irish> there is no known pos fixed test that correctly handles mobile webkit
  443. # [12:41] <paul_irish> so far.
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  445. # [12:44] <ben_c> paul_irish: cheers, will let you know if I manage to get anything working
  446. # [12:56] <paul_irish> http://www.ultranoir.com/fr
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  452. # [12:58] <ben_c> woah. it's like flash but there's no flash.
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  486. # [14:09] <dleonardi> paul_irish: got any other links like that to share?
  487. # [14:09] <paul_irish> not at the moment
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  489. # [14:10] <paul_irish> though i still love the nissan leaf site and its classy use of SVG
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  491. # [14:10] <dleonardi> which one?
  492. # [14:10] <dleonardi> which country i mean
  493. # [14:10] <dleonardi> nissan has like a million branches ;)
  494. # [14:10] <paul_irish> us i suppose
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  496. # [14:11] <dleonardi> http://www.nissanusa.com/leaf-electric-car/index#/leaf-electric-car/360/index
  497. # [14:11] <dleonardi> this ?
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  519. # [14:42] <henrikkok> long websites with moving backgrounds and a lot of scrolling seems to be very popular - but have any one seen a "good" website where you actual get the message and not just others designers saying "wauw"
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  547. # [15:03] <abhishekb> How to export charts from google chart api
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  553. # [15:06] <dr0id> I doubt its possible
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  559. # [15:13] <irae_> abhishekb: you can try this project and export the canvas as png http://www.mattgreer.org/post/1yokulIntro
  560. # [15:13] <irae_> abhishekb: I think both firefox and chrome have the method to get the canvas bitmap as data/url
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  573. # [15:36] <donspaulding> yup
  574. # [15:37] <dr0id> nup
  575. # [15:37] <Ms2ger> tub?
  576. # [15:38] <dr0id> hub?
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  578. # [15:38] <lava> butt =/
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  580. # [15:39] <donspaulding> lava: um, that's 4 letters. you lose.
  581. # [15:39] <lava> story of my life =(
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  585. # [15:41] <donspaulding> sorry, I'm trying to show an IRC virgin "the ropes". Looks like I'm teaching by example the lesson of Typing Into The Right Window.
  586. # [15:43] <LadyMacByte> thanks for "outting" me, donspaulding.
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  712. # [19:06] <Michael> I started taking the lynda.com course on Android development yesterday. I was surprised (kind of) to find how easy it is
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  774. # [20:33] <helpcrypto> hi
  775. # [20:33] <helpcrypto> consider i want to make a "modular" webpage, where each component could be retrieved using ajax, or replaced by another based on some sever work.
  776. # [20:33] <helpcrypto> more or less the question is, if i should always use <html><head>...or i can just have <div> pages to request using httprequest objects
  777. # [20:33] <helpcrypto> if this "components" are always embed in a div, how should i build the objct's html. starting from <html><head>....or simply the <div>...?
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  779. # [20:33] <xonecas> the head tag is optional
  780. # [20:33] <xonecas> but the html and body need to be there
  781. # [20:33] <helpcrypto> but i MUST use the html and body?
  782. # [20:34] <helpcrypto> so...for example
  783. # [20:34] <xonecas> the most minimal you can be is: <html><body><div></div></body></html>
  784. # [20:34] <helpcrypto> if i have a page with to colorfull boxes (pretty, isnt it?)
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  786. # [20:34] <xonecas> You don't HAVE to, the browser will fill in the missing tags, but they need to exist so you might aswell use them
  787. # [20:34] <helpcrypto> and i want one of them to change, making a server request using ajax
  788. # [20:34] <fokker680> you can do without the </html> tag, if that helps.
  789. # [20:35] <helpcrypto> my request will receive the complete html?
  790. # [20:35] <helpcrypto> (including headers, body and so?)
  791. # [20:35] <xonecas> you want to fecth a whole html page with ajax? Or am I getting this wrong?
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  793. # [20:36] <helpcrypto> no, i want to use components/panels
  794. # [20:36] <helpcrypto> and many of them will be loaded using ajax
  795. # [20:36] <helpcrypto> the point is
  796. # [20:36] <helpcrypto> 1-AFAIK, httprequest requesta file?query for example
  797. # [20:37] <helpcrypto> and that must return html code
  798. # [20:37] <helpcrypto> this html code...will always contain "html and headers"?
  799. # [20:37] <helpcrypto> could i receive only the div?
  800. # [20:37] <xonecas> not correct, httprequest can fecth anything kind of data
  801. # [20:38] <helpcrypto> httprequest (url), no?
  802. # [20:38] <xonecas> if your server responds with a text representation of html you can append it to the dom and create it
  803. # [20:38] <helpcrypto> so, server can answer "asdf"
  804. # [20:38] <xonecas> but you can request text/json text/xml and so on.
  805. # [20:38] <helpcrypto> iand i can add it "<div>", right?
  806. # [20:38] <xonecas> correct
  807. # [20:38] <helpcrypto> ok, understood
  808. # [20:38] <helpcrypto> so, another question
  809. # [20:39] <helpcrypto> if i request a page
  810. # [20:39] <xonecas> so if you send the server $.ajax('/my/url?for=html');
  811. # [20:39] <helpcrypto> like index.php?id=23
  812. # [20:39] <helpcrypto> the server could answer txt/html or text/json
  813. # [20:39] <xonecas> and server responds "<div> ... </div>" you can append that text to the dom to make it into html
  814. # [20:39] <helpcrypto> right?
  815. # [20:39] <xonecas> yes
  816. # [20:40] <helpcrypto> ok...if the server "writes" <html><head>...
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  818. # [20:40] <helpcrypto> could i retrieve the "css or js used onserver answer and apply themn to my page?
  819. # [20:40] <helpcrypto> for example
  820. # [20:40] <xonecas> I would recommend that at page load you server a rather raw html file with place holders, something like a skeleton of your page
  821. # [20:41] <xonecas> and then use ajax to fill in the placeholders
  822. # [20:41] <helpcrypto> ooook
  823. # [20:41] <helpcrypto> i see
  824. # [20:41] <xonecas> that way your ajax responses will be smaller, and less complex
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  826. # [20:41] <helpcrypto> ok
  827. # [20:41] <helpcrypto> and if i want to answer "html"
  828. # [20:41] <helpcrypto> but always "just a div"
  829. # [20:41] <helpcrypto> i dont need <html>...
  830. # [20:42] <helpcrypto> i should answer text and them convert to html using js, right?
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  832. # [20:42] <xonecas> just send your text/html of the contents of a placeholder then just append it to the placeholder, and DOM will make the rest
  833. # [20:43] <helpcrypto> sure...but im asking the server side
  834. # [20:43] <helpcrypto> in my php page, should i output the <html>...¿?
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  836. # [20:43] <xonecas> nope, so you could do: echo "<div> ... Contents of this single place holder ... </div>";
  837. # [20:44] <xonecas> and just that would do
  838. # [20:44] <helpcrypto> great
  839. # [20:44] <xonecas> the jquery response object will be that string of text
  840. # [20:44] <paul_irish> lol https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7fOLGG7hrtE/Ti72VfohTVI/AAAAAAAAACk/GO70HLflecw/Screenshot.png
  841. # [20:44] <paul_irish> miketaylr: u will enjoy ^^
  842. # [20:45] <paul_irish> ǝǝɹʇ ɯop
  843. # [20:45] <miketaylr> paul_irish: hahaha yeah, i saw that when it came in :D
  844. # [20:45] <xonecas> helpcrypto: if you're doing something really ajax intensive, you might want to have a look at backbone.js
  845. # [20:45] <paul_irish> niice
  846. # [20:45] <helpcrypto> paul_irish: the guy is right :P
  847. # [20:45] <miketaylr> anne's response was good too
  848. # [20:45] <helpcrypto> xonecas: im just playing a bit about modular webpages
  849. # [20:45] <helpcrypto> where each db view becomes a panel
  850. # [20:46] <xonecas> helpcrypto: that is exacly what backbone is for :-)
  851. # [20:46] <helpcrypto> ill look for it
  852. # [20:47] <helpcrypto> thx a lot
  853. # [20:47] <xonecas> helpcrypto: http://documentcloud.github.com/backbone/
  854. # [20:47] <xonecas> Glad to help :-)
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  932. # [23:23] <ryanneufeld> paul_irish: I could use your help if you have a sec
  933. # [23:23] <paul_irish> ask away
  934. # [23:23] <ryanneufeld> http://jsfiddle.net/WMNaN/3/
  935. # [23:24] <paul_irish> its possible someone else could help too
  936. # [23:24] <paul_irish> yaknowwww
  937. # [23:24] <ryanneufeld> I knwo
  938. # [23:24] <ryanneufeld> but you're like, the man, and stuff
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  940. # [23:25] <ryanneufeld> any how, I'm doing a JSONP cross domain request for a chrome plugin, and I can't seem to figure out how to make the jquery callback work properly with the restful url structure
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  948. # [23:34] <xonecas> ryanneufeld:
  949. # [23:35] <xonecas> I was just working with jsonp and jquery earlier
  950. # [23:35] <xonecas> can I help?
  951. # [23:35] <ryanneufeld> can you?
  952. # [23:35] <ryanneufeld> http://jsfiddle.net/WMNaN/3/
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  955. # [23:36] <xonecas> yeah I can help I think
  956. # [23:36] <xonecas> give 1m
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  959. # [23:39] <xonecas> ryanneufeld: http://jsfiddle.net/UFDpJ/
  960. # [23:39] <xonecas> this works
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  962. # [23:39] <xonecas> so have a look at the $.ajax docs for jQuery
  963. # [23:40] <xonecas> you specify the name of the callback in the jsonp param
  964. # [23:41] <xonecas> the the regular success function
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  967. # [23:46] <xonecas> ryanneufeld: you are trying to parse a json response, but the metrolyrics site is sending you a html page
  968. # [23:47] <ryanneufeld> yeah, I know
  969. # [23:47] <ryanneufeld> cause it doesn't like get vars
  970. # [23:48] <xonecas> ryanneufeld: but at least you got the jsonp to work
  971. # [23:48] <xonecas> :-)
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  975. # [23:59] <ryanneufeld> sorta
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