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  260. # [10:10] <xp_prg> is there an html5 games development channel?
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  264. # [10:19] <lightstream> what kind of games, like flash equivalent but coded in pure HTML 5 & JS?
  265. # [10:20] <xp_prg> ya
  266. # [10:20] <lightstream> sounds like fun :) don't know of a room sorry
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  272. # [10:28] <iaincarsberg> xp_prg: #bbg has a bunch of people working on browser games using varying amounts of html5-esk technologies.
  273. # [10:29] <xp_prg> oh thanks!
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  288. # [11:12] <xp_prg> can anyone recommend a good free web proxy?
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  408. # [16:03] <ace__> hey, im tryting to use on <button> click to redirect to another site, what is the cleanest way to do it?
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  410. # [16:09] <Michael> Without JS? encapsulate it in a form and use <input type="submit"
  411. # [16:09] <Michael> <form method="get" action="http://othersite.com">
  412. # [16:10] <ace__> hmm, i use onclick="window.location.href = 'http://example.com';" now
  413. # [16:11] <Michael> That's fine for JS but if you want it to degrade gracefully then that won't work.
  414. # [16:11] <ace__> but yeah, it is with js then. But its for an intranet and js is globally allowed
  415. # [16:11] <Michael> Depends on if your site is designed to work without JS or not
  416. # [16:11] <Michael> that's fine then
  417. # [16:11] <Michael> btw you don't need window there
  418. # [16:12] <ace__> so, just localtion.href
  419. # [16:12] <ace__> location*
  420. # [16:12] <Michael> yeah
  421. # [16:12] <ace__> ok, thanks
  422. # [16:13] <ace__> i designed it first with form and action ;)
  423. # [16:14] <ace__> the advantage is that it works w/o js then, but it looks no really clean to use form for this purposes
  424. # [16:14] <Michael> Why button and not an <a href> ?
  425. # [16:15] <ace__> because its an site where you can choose sth.
  426. # [16:15] <ace__> so i used clickable buttons
  427. # [16:15] <ace__> or its also possible to use <a href> in <button>
  428. # [16:15] <ace__> ?
  429. # [16:16] <Ms2ger> instead of
  430. # [16:17] <ace__> onclick="window.location.href = 'http://example.com';"
  431. # [16:17] <ace__> this as button attribute
  432. # [16:17] <Ms2ger> <a style="appearance:button;" href="http://example.com">...
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  434. # [16:19] <Aric> So Firefox promotes inline CSS.. (jk)
  435. # [16:19] <ace__> ah, found sth. <a href="http://nopeople.com/Design"><button>Click Me!</button></a>
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  437. # [16:23] <ace__> ok it works now also w/o js
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  445. # [16:33] <xec> anyone ever experienced problems with chrome ignoring conditinal comments for IE?
  446. # [16:34] <tbranyen> xec: i think you need to rephase that question :-p
  447. # [16:34] <xec> I have: <!--[if lt IE 8]> ..linked stylesheet code... <![endif]-->
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  449. # [16:34] <xec> and the stylesheet should only apply to ie7 or older ie
  450. # [16:35] <xec> but chrome seems to also include it *sometimes*
  451. # [16:35] <Ms2ger> That shouldn't happen
  452. # [16:36] <xec> indeed, plus the fact that chrome *usually* behaves, its even more mindboggling
  453. # [16:36] <xec> only seen it on one machine so far though
  454. # [16:37] <xec> probably going to ignore it and hope it goes away when the site hits production ;)
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  474. # [17:12] <shawn_dones> Howdy y'all
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  488. # [17:30] <skylamer`> hi
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  546. # [18:28] <grantg> ping: xonecas
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  553. # [18:30] <paul_irish> http://updates.html5rocks.com/2011/08/Downloading-resources-in-HTML5-a-download
  554. # [18:31] <grantg> neat
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  556. # [18:32] <grantg> useful for sites that host readmes for their programs
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  567. # [18:48] <cgcardona> derp
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  578. # [19:14] <Thasmo> Hey! The HTML5 elements video, audio and canvas are inline elements, right? Or are they supposed to be inline-block? FX 5 and Chrome say "inline" in the CSS panel.
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  583. # [19:31] <Jon47> i don't think they are intrinsically inline or block, the spec I see says it falls into both the flow content and phrasing content categories: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-canvas-element.html#colors-and-styles
  584. # [19:31] <Jon47> so if you want to guarantee it has a certain display, you probably should address that in your style reset
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  589. # [19:37] <Thasmo> Jon47, sure - but they should be a default, like for every other element. no?
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  591. # [19:37] <Thasmo> they = there
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  595. # [19:40] <Jon47> thasmo that's up to the browser I believe
  596. # [19:40] <Jon47> it's just a matter of style
  597. # [19:40] <Thasmo> Jon47, hm that would be odd imo.
  598. # [19:40] <Jon47> not really, think about IE6
  599. # [19:40] <Jon47> inline-block didn't exist then
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  601. # [19:41] <Jon47> so the spec for canvas can't dictate that it be inline-block, can it?
  602. # [19:41] <Jon47> html is separate from css, style is separate from markup, they should be completely decoupled..
  603. # [19:42] <Thasmo> Jon47, alright but why would a div then have 'block' as default?
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  606. # [19:43] <Thasmo> I mean, if IE renders 'canvas' as inline and chrome as 'block' and FX as 'inline-block' that just wouldn't be right? So I'm surprised if there was no specification for that.
  607. # [19:44] <Jon47> well IE won't render canvas as anything by default, it needs javascript shims for html5 elements and the canvas element specifically ..
  608. # [19:45] <Jon47> but basically it needs to work no matter what browsers do or don't do
  609. # [19:45] <Jon47> just set the display in your css file
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  612. # [19:48] <Thasmo> Jon47, alright. Mozilla Developrt Network has an interesting comment "The following is a complete list of all HTML block level elements (although "block-level" is not technically defined for elements that are new in HTML5).".
  613. # [19:51] <Jon47> yeah cause html no longer deals with block / inline, they deal with "flow content" and "phrasing content"
  614. # [19:51] <Jon47> block / inline is a css concept
  615. # [19:51] <Thasmo> Jon47, I see.
  616. # [19:52] <Jon47> for more on the content model: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/content-models.html
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  619. # [20:00] <Thasmo> Jon47, thx.
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  638. # [20:25] <grantg> FireFly: Another round of emails indeed.
  639. # [20:28] <Moo--> how do make parallax star background with CSS3?
  640. # [20:28] <Moo--> big stars scroll faster, little stars slower
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  706. # [22:01] <BrianBlakely> https://plus.google.com/113217906800610883343/posts/DPChcPecZ3u
  707. # [22:01] <BrianBlakely> socialhapy: Support G+, you cad
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  709. # [22:01] <peol> BrianBlakely: is there an api?
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  711. # [22:02] <BrianBlakely> peol: I'm sorry, for what?
  712. # [22:02] <peol> BrianBlakely: for G+, i'm the author of socialhapy :)
  713. # [22:03] <BrianBlakely> Oh! I don't know -_- …paul_irish works at the goog
  714. # [22:03] <peol> yeah, i haven't found any (official anyway)
  715. # [22:03] <peol> i'll add it asap, it's already on my list
  716. # [22:03] <Moo--> ##googleplus
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  721. # [22:06] <peol> Moo--: that's just for invites?
  722. # [22:06] <Moo--> peol: can't be
  723. # [22:06] <Moo--> I am there
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  725. # [22:06] <peol> Moo--: links in topic just goes to some pastebin of how-to invite people?
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  727. # [22:07] <Moo--> peol: don't know, don't care
  728. # [22:07] <peol> ..
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  737. # [22:20] <IanWizard> I've just inherited a site, and it's using the <details> tag for some stuff. On FF, and everything else, it shows up fine, but on Chrome (the only browser that supports it yet), it has a toggle. (looks like: > Details ). I can't find anything on Google. Is there a way to style this out, so that it's always just shown normally, without the toggle?
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  741. # [22:22] <Moo--> IanWizard: webkit has a special CSS directive to flat this out
  742. # [22:23] <Moo--> IanWizard: try if this helps http://davidwalsh.name/webkit-appearance
  743. # [22:23] <IanWizard> Moo--, thanks, that should work.
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  789. # [23:19] <gde33> anyone know why drag and scroll doesn't work when middle clicking on the posting? http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1033.msg15894;topicseen#msg15894
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  805. # [23:49] <kittonian> hi all
  806. # [23:49] <kittonian> i've got my html5 video running great in all browsers but was wondering if there's any way to disable the end user's ability to right-click on the video and download it?
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  808. # [23:53] <BrianBlakely> Hi kittonian, I haven't done this myself, but have you tried using preventDefault() in the dblclick event handler on the video element?
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  814. # [23:57] <kittonian> BrianBlakely: not sure what dblclick event handler you're referring to. This is directly embedded HTML5 video. Not using JS or a downloadable player to run things.
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