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4. # [00:05] <sandprickle> this might help? https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XUL/PopupGuide/ContextMenus
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9. # [00:11] <grantg> paul_irish: Achievement unlocked: server knocked down by funnyjunk - http://static2.fjcdn.com/comments//17/e5/17e59a2c91433c1fe46011a1023c2b35.png
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18. # [00:18] <BrianBlakely> Oops, I meant right click, not dblclick
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20. # [00:18] <BrianBlakely> Bleh
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24. # [00:19] <BrianBlakely> Huh, the iOS Dev Center is down
25. # [00:19] <BrianBlakely> Beta 5 en route?
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62. # [01:03] <paul_irish> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6D9FV5KyZsA/TjmCPJFCNzI/AAAAAAAAIII/yv5991A4now/Chica+Firefox.jpg
63. # [01:05] <skyler_brungardt> Aw snap
64. # [01:05] <skyler_brungardt> Hawt
65. # [01:08] <chrislorenz> oh
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99. # [02:23] <paul_irish> v
100. # [02:23] <paul_irish> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/385367/what-requests-do-browsers-f5-and-ctrl-f5-refreshes-generate/385491#385491
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102. # [02:28] <skyler_brungardt> Neaty
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106. # [02:36] <irae_> wow, this was nice!
107. # [02:36] <irae_> I would like to see safari and some mobile browsers in this table tough.
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153. # [04:15] <BrianBlakely> If you really need to bust your local cache, open an Incognito window in Chrome
154. # [04:16] <BrianBlakely> Hey, grantg, how does the Canvas acceleration in Cr13 improve your emulation ventures?
155. # [04:16] <grantg> BrainBlakely: I take it you saw http://www.grantgalitz.org/gamecenter/ ?
156. # [04:16] <grantg> It's okayish
157. # [04:17] <BrianBlakely> No, but holy crap it's awesome
158. # [04:17] <grantg> still takes up an entire core in chrome if you make it larger than 500x500
159. # [04:17] <grantg> for scaling that is
160. # [04:17] <BrianBlakely> I noticed fullscreen was laggy
161. # [04:17] <grantg> BrianBlakely: HTML5 got a big trial test today from it
162. # [04:17] <grantg> http://funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/2437061/Gameboy+Color+Nostalgia/
163. # [04:17] <grantg> Notice the karma points. :)
164. # [04:18] <grantg> :)
165. # [04:18] <grantg> Some thought it was Java.
166. # [04:18] <BrianBlakely> I'm posting this up the wazzoo on Facebook
167. # [04:18] <BrianBlakely> You need some Open Graph tags on that page
168. # [04:19] <grantg> lol
169. # [04:19] <BrianBlakely> It doesn't have an image, nor description when it's shared
170. # [04:20] <grantg> hmm
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172. # [04:21] <BrianBlakely> OMG this is amazing
173. # [04:21] <BrianBlakely> I give you 1 billion kudos
174. # [04:22] <BrianBlakely> I will add Mobile Webkit support if you're interested
175. # [04:22] <BrianBlakely> But the performance probably isn't there yet, huh
176. # 06[04:22] * BrianBlakely opens iOS Simulator...
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178. # [04:25] <BrianBlakely> "Your browser doesn't like the Flash audio fallback"
179. # [04:25] <BrianBlakely> No sir, no it does not.
180. # [04:27] <BrianBlakely> O noes, doesn't work in iOS 4, though works fairly spiffily in iOS5
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185. # [04:27] <grantg> lol
186. # [04:28] <grantg> BrianBlakely: You might get that error if something doesn't load
187. # [04:28] <grantg> it works in iOS 4.0.1 for me
188. # [04:28] <grantg> just as 1 fps
189. # [04:28] <grantg> *at
190. # [04:29] <grantg> BrianBlakely: Also, it uses the HTML5 manifest spec
191. # [04:29] <grantg> :)
192. # [04:29] <grantg> I added it today for that page, since it was actually starting to overload
193. # [04:32] <BrianBlakely> That's awesome. It's really come quite far, well done!!
194. # [04:33] <BrianBlakely> It's about time I go home now. Good night!
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196. # [04:34] <grantg> fixed it up
197. # [04:35] <grantg> for meta tag stuff
198. # [04:35] <grantg> and added a favicon. :)
199. # [04:35] <grantg> nn
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214. # [04:57] <grantg> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bbddecihneobpcbadmljgihpfamjgpch?hc=search&hcp=main
215. # [04:57] <grantg> HOLY SHIT
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217. # [04:57] <grantg> I killed a popular app without knowing it
218. # [04:57] <grantg> oops
219. # [04:59] <tw2113> did you send the angry birds to anger management?
220. # [04:59] <tw2113> did you make them sing "i feel pretty" ?
221. # [04:59] <grantg> LOL
222. # [04:59] <grantg> epic
223. # [04:59] <grantg> 3000+ new weekly installs?
224. # [04:59] <grantg> oh shit
225. # [04:59] <grantg> A lot of people must have pms'd
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227. # [05:06] <tw2113> anyone have any idea what would cause a tiny smiley face in the lower left corner of a page?
228. # [05:07] <tw2113> nevermind
229. # [05:10] <grantg> :/
230. # [05:10] <tw2113> something wpstats adds
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234. # [05:16] <grantg> NOOOOOOOOOOO
235. # [05:16] <grantg> 2 out of 2 people found this review helpful.
236. # [05:16] <grantg> fuck
237. # [05:16] <grantg> <_<
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240. # [05:21] <androoid> hack faster
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242. # [05:22] <zman099> lol
243. # [05:22] <androoid> lol
244. # [05:22] <androoid> whats good in html5
245. # [05:23] <androoid> i see <video src=""> works in my ie9
246. # [05:23] <tw2113> memorizable doctypes
247. # [05:23] <androoid> what's memorizable
248. # [05:23] <androoid> mesmorizable?
249. # [05:23] <tw2113> the doctype
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251. # [05:23] <tw2113> you can remember it
252. # [05:23] <androoid> what kind are there
253. # [05:23] <androoid> if you remember
254. # [05:24] <tw2113> long ass ones
255. # [05:24] <tw2113> vs <!doctype html>
256. # [05:24] <androoid> ok that is not helping
257. # [05:24] <androoid> how is canvas
258. # [05:24] <androoid> anything good
259. # [05:24] <tw2113> not an area i tinker with much
260. # [05:24] <zman099> yeah scanner radio good
261. # [05:24] <zman099> lapd
262. # [05:24] <zman099> lol
263. # [05:24] <androoid> people need to start making frameworks
264. # [05:24] <androoid> for canvas
265. # [05:25] <androoid> like actionscripts
266. # [05:25] <androoid> for flash
267. # [05:25] <tw2113> isn't that called javascript?
268. # [05:25] <androoid> well theres javascript too
269. # [05:25] <tbranyen> owned
270. # [05:25] <androoid> but this is html5
271. # [05:25] <androoid> and no the framework for animation on javascript kinda sucks
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274. # [05:29] <tw2113> personally, i feel advanced for finding a post that uses canvas to create a greayscale clone of an image, and then transition between that and the original colored version onhover
275. # [05:29] <tw2113> greyscale*
276. # [05:30] <androoid> i want to make motion tweens on objects without doing all the math to get it to work
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278. # [05:30] <androoid> there should be methods like rotate(obj, degreesClockwise)
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280. # [05:34] <zman099> what u guys know about html agility pack
281. # [05:35] <tw2113> http://www.greepit.com/2010/05/canvas-based-drawing-and-animation-framework-jcotton/
282. # [05:35] <androoid> nice
283. # [05:35] <androoid> wow from 2010??
284. # [05:36] <tw2113> i wonder how many of these could be applied, excluding the svg ones http://www.admixweb.com/2010/01/07/17-javascript-animation-frameworks-worth-to-seing/
285. # [05:36] <androoid> !g html agility pack
286. # [05:36] <zman099> androoid thats why this is handy at work
287. # [05:36] <zman099> irc
288. # [05:36] <androoid> tw2113; are you a web developer
289. # [05:36] <zman099> fast response
290. # [05:36] <tw2113> i like to believe so
291. # [05:36] <androoid> what you use now
292. # [05:36] <tw2113> for js/canva/svg stuff?
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298. # [05:37] <androoid> i guess
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300. # [05:37] <androoid> are we even supposed to use html5 yet
301. # [05:37] <tw2113> not much, it's an area i haven't dove into
302. # [05:37] <androoid> i'm still using jquery
303. # [05:38] <tw2113> html5...i use the markup stuff all the time
304. # [05:38] <tw2113> not so much the apis that come with it
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307. # [05:38] <androoid> nice i will check those links
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309. # [05:39] <sephr> what is the url for the page about all of the methods being removed from the DOM?
310. # [05:39] <androoid> i have some clients that wants to do flash animation like
311. # [05:39] <androoid> effect
312. # [05:39] <sephr> iirc setAttributeNode was removed but I'm not sure
313. # [05:39] <androoid> which is annoying
314. # [05:40] <androoid> jcotton says IE not compatible
315. # [05:40] <androoid> fail
316. # [05:41] <tw2113> any more and i'm never surprised with IE not supporting something
317. # [05:41] <tw2113> it's more a case of getting happy and saying "win" when you find out it does
318. # [05:43] <androoid> wow
319. # [05:43] <androoid> this is cool
320. # [05:43] <androoid> http://www.kanjicomposition.com/
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558. # [14:34] <ioricloud> wow
559. # [14:34] <ioricloud> morning
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581. # [15:13] <spliter> hi guys. I wonder is it intentional that clear fix stuff is not in the HTML5 Boilerplate any longer? I cannot find the commit when it has been removed and why
582. # [15:14] <spliter> actually, the whole block of "Non-semantic helper classes" is gone
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584. # [15:15] <spliter> hmm… maybe it's just me… it seems to be inlplace on github
585. # [15:17] <spliter> yeah, just me :-P Sorry :)
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653. # [17:15] <cheilmann> hey
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671. # [17:31] <Jayflux> Anyone here a wizz on flot charts?
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679. # [17:46] <BrianBlakely> Jayflux: I use gRaphael, myself. Those vectors! *bites bottom lip*
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686. # [17:57] <Jayflux> hehe BrianBlakely i don't blame you
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688. # [17:57] <Jayflux> flot is beginning to annoy me, not much support either
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738. # [19:14] <mukul_> anyone here knows how to capture image from webcam and store on filesystem without posting to server ?
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740. # [19:14] <tbranyen> do any browsers implement a webcam/device api that can do that?
741. # [19:14] <tbranyen> i'm not aware of any
742. # [19:14] <tbranyen> flash?
743. # [19:15] <mukul_> yes flash does allow to capture image
744. # [19:15] <tw2113> another notch in flash's headboard for what it still does better
745. # [19:15] <mukul_> but I do not know how to save it on client's hard disk
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749. # [19:19] <tw2113> mukul_ http://ajaxian.com/archives/canvas2image-save-out-your-canvas-data-to-images
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753. # [19:19] <tw2113> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/923885/capture-html-canvas-as-gif-jpg-png-pdf
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756. # [19:22] <mukul_> tw2113: hey..thnx a lot...exactly what i needed
757. # [19:22] <tw2113> you were 1 google search away
758. # [19:22] <mukul_> :D
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791. # [19:59] <monteslu> so, you can draw any image to a canvas, but when you want to get a dataURL, it thows a security error if the image came from a cross domain source
792. # [19:59] <monteslu> dumb
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795. # [20:00] <monteslu> and its a problem in both firefox and chrome
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797. # [20:00] <franksalim> monteslu: that is by design, and it prevents a real type of attack
798. # [20:01] <monteslu> franksalim, I'm having trouble understanding the attack
799. # [20:01] <monteslu> because its helps someone "steal" images?
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801. # [20:01] <monteslu> images that need to be publicly accessible in the first place
802. # [20:01] <tw2113> probably more because malicious stuff can be injected
803. # [20:01] <franksalim> basically. they don't need to be publicly accessible
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805. # [20:02] <franksalim> they just need to be accessible by the user agent under attack. they could be protected images
806. # [20:02] <monteslu> drawImage() needs an Image object with a src it can read from
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808. # [20:02] <franksalim> but what does that mean? it could be an image that is private to that user on a different domain
809. # [20:02] <moo-_-> monteslu: I could steal your facebook photos
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811. # [20:02] <moo-_-> using <canvas>
812. # [20:02] <moo-_-> as long as you are logged in
813. # [20:03] <monteslu> moo-_-, not if i dont let you run your code on my site
814. # [20:03] <moo-_-> monteslu: no
815. # [20:03] <moo-_-> my code on my site
816. # [20:03] <moo-_-> you just need to visit
817. # [20:03] <monteslu> ahhh
818. # [20:03] <monteslu> ok, so my image request on your site passes my facebook cookie to facebook, gets an image and your script gets the data
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821. # [20:04] <monteslu> makes sense now :)
822. # [20:04] <franksalim> there are four paragraphs about this in pro html5 programming /shameless plug
823. # [20:05] <monteslu> how about if I paint one canvas to another, and get the data from the second?
824. # [20:05] <monteslu> trying now :)
825. # [20:06] <franksalim> it should still be "tainted"
826. # [20:07] <monteslu> franksalim, but it worked
827. # [20:07] <franksalim> did you put a cross-origin image into the first canvas?
828. # [20:07] <franksalim> the restrictions come into play when you attempt to read image data from another origin
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834. # [20:10] <monteslu> franksalim, yeah. cross origin image in first.... no security exception in chrome, but doesn't actually give the correct data
835. # [20:10] <monteslu> still has security exception in ff
836. # [20:11] <monteslu> http://jsfiddle.net/monteslu/QDqdW/5/
837. # [20:11] <monteslu> the image is the google logo, not your FB drunken pics :)
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861. # [20:44] <shinaku> Got a bit of a question. I'm thinking of implementing a small game in html5/javascript. One of the requirements of this is to have a persistant leaderboard though
862. # [20:45] <shinaku> and I can't think of anyway to stop people from just being able to manipulate their score and submit false values
863. # [20:45] <shinaku> What should be the way to tackle this?
864. # [20:45] <shinaku> besides just obfuscation, I guess
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869. # [20:47] <monteslu> shinaku, that is a great question. I don't have an answer for you, but I'd also like to know the same thing. Might want to also ask in #bbg
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873. # [20:48] <chrislorenz> argh new chrome is making my unit tests freak out. looks like javascript is getting executed out of order.
874. # [20:48] <shinaku> monteslu: thanks for that, just asked
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918. # [21:34] <cgcardona> hola amigos. I'm wondering if anyone has an idea of how google is preventing the form field from losing focus when the user clicks the (x) button to delete the text in the input field. http://www.google.com/m/search
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920. # [21:36] <cgcardona> i've been able to reproduce a version of my own—but when the user clicks the (x) it causes the form field to momentarily lose focus which causes the keyboard on iPhone to start to slide down. The next line of JS i am refocusing the input field but there is a brief moment where the keyboard goes down and back up a few pixels.
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923. # [21:37] <tw2113> no idea, but hi cgcardona
924. # [21:37] <cgcardona> tw2113: !! :) how ya been
925. # [21:38] <tw2113> i can't complain
926. # [21:38] <cgcardona> good to hear. Same here.
927. # [21:38] <tw2113> kind of took a mental break from paid work yesterday
928. # [21:38] <tw2113> started tinkering with my own little php class that I didn't get too far with yet
929. # [21:39] <tw2113> the idea came from a page I set up for someone where it is querying like 4-6 different data sources
930. # [21:39] <cgcardona> what kind of class? got any code to show?
931. # [21:39] <tw2113> google+, flickr, dribbble, twitter, lastfm, and a couple RSS feeds
932. # [21:39] <tw2113> and i was like "lets see if I can class-ify that"
933. # [21:40] <cheilmann> it is not a search input field, just a text
934. # [21:40] <tw2113> not enough code done up yet to make it worth looking at
935. # [21:40] <cheilmann> seems they create the X themselves
936. # [21:40] <tw2113> afternoon cheilmann
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940. # [21:42] <cgcardona> cheilmann: thanks. Yea I am using type="text" and type="password" i'm able to dynamically create the (x) dom element and have it added and removed from the DOM. But when I tap the (x) it very briefly causes the input to lose focus. I'm attempting to reverse engineer the code with the help of http://jsbeautifier.org/
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942. # [21:43] <moo-_-> cgcardona: I think I faced this problem long time aog
943. # [21:44] <moo-_-> are you using click event?
944. # [21:44] <moo-_-> try touch start
945. # [21:44] <moo-_-> etc
946. # [21:44] <tw2113> cgcardona if i can figure it out enough, i want the getData() calls to automatically check for a cached version first
947. # [21:44] <cgcardona> ok thanks moo-_- I'll try it
948. # [21:44] <moo-_-> cgcardona: cancel event propagation also
949. # [21:44] <moo-_-> and tricks like that
950. # [21:44] <cgcardona> ok cool thanks :-]
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954. # [21:46] <cgcardona> moo-_-: you're a golden god! touchstart did the trick!
955. # [21:47] <cheilmann> cgcardona: why not use input type search?
956. # 06[21:47] * tw2113 is celebrating his 1 year as a full time web dev, later this month
957. # [21:47] <cgcardona> cheilmann: I'm working on an entire mobile site. m.trulia.com and we have a bunch of input fields—not all search.
958. # [21:47] <cgcardona> tw2113: congrats! :-]
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961. # [21:48] <tw2113> this time last year, i was still a full time security officer for Citibank, and unsure when i'd escape
962. # [21:49] <cgcardona> tw2113: i'm sure you're just hitting your stride. you interested in moving to SF for a job? ;-]
963. # [21:50] <tw2113> i'm already in SF
964. # [21:50] <tw2113> just not San Fransisco :P
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966. # [21:50] <tw2113> to a californian, hearing "SF SD" would be like "what? San Fransisco San Diego?"
967. # [21:50] <cgcardona> souix falls correct?
968. # [21:50] <tw2113> yup
969. # [21:51] <cgcardona> well you let me know if you change your mind ;-]
970. # [21:51] <tw2113> I have a bit of an admitted aversion towards Cali :D
971. # [21:52] <cgcardona> heh
972. # [21:52] <cgcardona> cali = ftw;
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974. # [21:52] <tw2113> hmmm http://senorgif.memebase.com/2011/08/04/funny-gifs-this-is/
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978. # [21:54] <tw2113> cgcardona i am coming to the realization that, at least without moving to silicon valley, freelance may be my most profitable route right now
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980. # [21:55] <cgcardona> fair enough
981. # [21:55] <tw2113> put myself in a position to be hired as needed by companies
982. # [21:55] <tw2113> instead of constantly trying to find some office job here in town
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984. # [21:56] <tw2113> because quite frankly, a lot of places aren't hiring as they either have no work or not enough work to warrant a permanent position
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988. # [21:59] <tw2113> at least that's my general perception
989. # [21:59] <cgcardona> of course I think it just depends where you are. There is a MAJOR shortage of good engineers in the bay right now. Leading to good job offers and lots of work
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994. # [22:02] <tw2113> i also always undervalue what skills I perceive myself to have
995. # [22:03] <tw2113> I generally feel I wouldn't be able to cut it yet
996. # [22:03] <cgcardona> i doubt it man. The force is strong with this one
997. # [22:04] <cgcardona> i think you'd do just fine.
998. # [22:04] <tw2113> html/css/novice js/lower intermediate php?
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1002. # [22:04] <cgcardona> like I said. There is a major shortage of engineers right now. The most important thing I think is 1. are you a complete idiot? 2. Can you learn new stuff? 3. are you passionate
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1005. # [22:05] <tw2113> yes, yes, i believe so
1006. # [22:05] <tw2113> :D
1007. # [22:05] <cgcardona> :)
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1011. # [22:07] <sandprickle> since we're on the topic of jobs... could someone find anything with only html/css + bit of JS knowledge? even an internship?
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1013. # [22:08] <paul_irish> yes
1014. # [22:08] <sandprickle> really?
1015. # [22:08] <paul_irish> of course
1016. # [22:08] <paul_irish> JS will help a lot tho
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1020. # 06[22:08] * tw2113 wouldn't argue aganst working for Mozilla
1021. # [22:08] <jetienne> tw2113: they hire
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1023. # [22:09] <sandprickle> so like where is the place to find them?
1024. # [22:09] <tw2113> find companies you'd want to work for, and ask them sandprickle
1025. # [22:09] <tw2113> even if they're not specifically advertising somewhere
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1027. # [22:10] <sandprickle> right, but how do I find them? I have a good Idea of the sort of company i'd like to work for
1028. # [22:10] <tw2113> do what i just did above when i mentioned not minding working for mozilla
1029. # [22:11] <tw2113> if i was serious about getting a job with them right now, i'd go to their website, find their careers section or a contact method, and contact them
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1031. # [22:11] <tw2113> just browse the internet for various companies that are doing awesome things
1032. # [22:13] <sandprickle> right... i'd be looking for something small and awesome. any tips on how to find them? ( i've done some looking but nothing jumped out at me...)
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1035. # [22:14] <tw2113> browse the internet? read hacker news links to various things linked? check your social feeds? check what tools you use daily in your dev toolbox and see if the people making those are hiring?
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1037. # [22:15] <sandprickle> hmm ok thx.
1038. # [22:15] <sandprickle> um also, when will it be cool to stop supporting IE7?
1039. # [22:15] <cgcardona> sandprickle: where are you located. Check craigs list
1040. # [22:15] <tw2113> whenever you want to
1041. # [22:16] <sandprickle> I want to :)
1042. # [22:16] <tw2113> google is going to in some areas of its vast services library, this summer
1043. # [22:16] <sandprickle> oh yeah they
1044. # [22:16] <tw2113> well there ya go, stop supporting it and let it be known that if X project needs IE7 support, you're not going to be the best support
1045. # [22:17] <sandprickle> (sorry) they're going to only support the current and previous versions of browsers right?
1046. # [22:17] <jetienne> post on hacker news. "Ask HN: looking for internship on html/css/js"
1047. # [22:17] <cgcardona> sandprickle: focus on mobile. There is no IE7 there. (as long as you don't support windows phone :p )
1048. # [22:17] <cgcardona> jetienne: great idea
1049. # [22:17] <tw2113> i know that their apps platform will drop it for sure
1050. # [22:17] <cgcardona> +1
1051. # [22:17] <cgcardona> hackernews ftw
1052. # [22:18] <sandprickle> cgcardona: focus on mobile? like mostly exclusive of desktop?
1053. # [22:19] <cgcardona> sandprickle: that is my job—mobile engineer. I only support iPhone/touch, iPad, and Android devices. There is a HUGE shortage of mobile engineers right now in san fran. Lots of workl
1054. # [22:19] <cgcardona> *work
1055. # [22:19] <tw2113> yeah, if you want to increase your hireability instantly, start excelling in mobile asap
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1057. # [22:20] <sandprickle> hmm, ok. oh btw i'm in northern AZ, but who knows where I will end up for the school year
1058. # [22:20] <sandprickle> i guess that's something else worth mentioning: i'm not out of high school yet
1059. # [22:20] <cgcardona> brb
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1061. # [22:21] <tw2113> i have no idea why, but i first thought "australia" but then remembered AZ = arizona
1062. # [22:21] <sandprickle> sorry, no cool accent :)
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1064. # 06[22:24] * sandprickle is getting giddy removing IE6/7 rules from h5bp css :P
1065. # [22:24] <tw2113> i'm still fine with supporting IE7 for a while longer, but know it's on its knees begging not to be shot
1066. # [22:26] <danbeam> cheilmann: http://webplayer.yahoo.com/docs/ <-- it only took me two months, but here's the doc I was talking about
1067. # [22:26] <danbeam> cheilmann: ;)
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1069. # [22:28] <sandprickle> according to StatCounter IE7 is at 5.34% in the USA... so I figure it's probably safe to not support it, plus we're going to have to eventually,but what do I know
1070. # [22:29] <tw2113> given that there are some people supporting ie6 a decade later...
1071. # [22:30] <paul_irish> 5.34? really??
1072. # [22:30] <sandprickle> http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-US-monthly-201007-201107
1073. # [22:30] <paul_irish> wow ya
1074. # [22:31] <tw2113> it's on the internet, it must be true
1075. # [22:31] <sandprickle> def ;)
1076. # [22:31] <tw2113> i do like the sharp decline in IE8
1077. # [22:31] <tw2113> and the sharp incline of IE9
1078. # [22:31] <tw2113> dang, people kind of ditched Fx3.6
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1080. # [22:32] <David_Bradbury> I'm having a problem using window.open in canvas (mobile devices) http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6946162/window-open-mobile-devices-canvas-not-working
1081. # [22:32] <David_Bradbury> Any ideas?
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1084. # [22:32] <sandprickle> tw2113: i ditched it before ff4 was out ;)
1085. # [22:33] <tw2113> i want to know why that site can list 4 different versions of chrome, but can't get Fx5 in there
1086. # [22:33] <sandprickle> me too
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1088. # [22:33] <tw2113> kick 3.5 out and replace it
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1090. # [22:33] <sandprickle> or chrome 5
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1094. # [22:37] <paul_irish> David_Bradbury: does window open normally work fine?
1095. # [22:37] <David_Bradbury> In browser, yes
1096. # [22:37] <David_Bradbury> Desktop*
1097. # [22:37] <David_Bradbury> Mobile, nope
1098. # [22:37] <paul_irish> in mobile?
1099. # [22:38] <paul_irish> i mean like... click on a div which has an event handler that window opens
1100. # [22:38] <paul_irish> also
1101. # [22:38] <paul_irish> David_Bradbury: it should be bound to click and not touchend etc in order to work with popup blockers
1102. # [22:39] <David_Bradbury> The problem is, in the full application I can't bind the window.open to a click
1103. # [22:39] <BrianBlakely> Is the CSS panel in Web Inspector completely broken for anyone else?
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1105. # [22:39] <David_Bradbury> I'm abstracting everything into MOUSE.x, MOUSE.y, MOUSE.down, etc
1106. # [22:40] <David_Bradbury> Then, in the application, if MOUSE.click happens, run window.open
1107. # [22:40] <David_Bradbury> Do you have to bind window.open to an event to work?
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1110. # [22:43] <BrianBlakely> Will not update when selecting various nodes, at times
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1114. # [22:48] <paul_irish> David_Bradbury: yes you do
1115. # [22:48] <paul_irish> afaik
1116. # [22:48] <David_Bradbury> I noticed on the desktop you don't need to, but binding it on a mobile device fixed the problem
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1156. # [23:32] <paul_irish> http://www.cake23.de/traveling-wavefronts-lit-up.html
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1161. # [23:36] <materialdesigner> where the hell do you find all of your links, paul_irish
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1164. # [23:37] <paul_irish> on the internet, mostly.
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1166. # [23:39] <materialdesigner> good to know. I've gotta find that internet thingie. Is it the big blue e? Or the link that says AOL?
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1178. # [23:48] <danbeam> paul_irish: that link was awesome
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1180. # [23:48] <paul_irish> +1
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