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  71. # [01:46] <chrislorenz> Html4 is better
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  140. # [03:21] <masondesu> whoa, long time no see, IRC!
  141. # [03:22] <materialdesigner> masondesu: are you the same one from forrst, who currently lives in greenville?
  142. # [03:22] <masondesu> hellz yeah
  143. # [03:22] <materialdesigner> the one with the website containing your awesome beard?
  144. # [03:23] <masondesu> yeah, tons of beard
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  146. # [03:23] <materialdesigner> lol I'm in greenville until next saturday
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  148. # [03:23] <masondesu> are you moving?
  149. # [03:23] <materialdesigner> back to school
  150. # [03:23] <masondesu> ooh
  151. # [03:23] <masondesu> in
  152. # [03:23] <masondesu> gotcha
  153. # [03:24] <masondesu> Yeah, you're Christopher Hendrix, right?
  154. # [03:24] <materialdesigner> yep
  155. # [03:25] <masondesu> You're the guy who always has +39482734926525 Helpful Comments on Forrst
  156. # [03:25] <masondesu> How do you stay so helpful?
  157. # [03:25] <materialdesigner> I read a lot
  158. # [03:25] <materialdesigner> lol
  159. # [03:25] <masondesu> haha
  160. # [03:25] <materialdesigner> you should join #forrst-chat
  161. # [03:25] <masondesu> cool broseph
  162. # [03:25] <materialdesigner> it's where the rest of us delinquents hang out
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  189. # [04:32] <jtarragon> hi there
  190. # [04:32] <jtarragon> I was wondering, is this correct? <time>1 hour ago</time>
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  192. # [04:35] <tantek> tarragon - no, absent a date time attribute, the contents of <time> must be a valid ISO8601 date or date time, and "1 hour ago" is not.
  193. # [04:35] <tantek> jtarragon that is
  194. # [04:36] <jtarragon> tantek: so <time datetime="2011-08-05T04:32Z">1 hour ago</time> would do the trick?
  195. # [04:36] <tantek> yeah that should work
  196. # [04:37] <jtarragon> tantek: the real date time is not important really, I would just like to put the "1 hour ago" inside the correct tag
  197. # [04:37] <tantek> although I forget whether seconds is required or not (like the idiocy in Atom)
  198. # [04:37] <tantek> standards that force artificial precision are bad for data quality
  199. # [04:38] <materialdesigner> it doesn't require seconds
  200. # [04:38] <jtarragon> alright, I have the datetime put then
  201. # [04:39] <jtarragon> thanks!
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  203. # [04:41] <tantek> np!
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  234. # [05:48] <amigojapan> hi everyone, check out my logo/tron html5 game http://carrydesktop.dyndns.org/html5/collisiondetection.html
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  257. # [06:45] <androoid> that is way too advanced
  258. # [06:46] <androoid> how do u play
  259. # [06:47] <androoid> lol
  260. # [06:47] <androoid> i see
  261. # [06:47] <androoid> like leisure larry suite
  262. # [06:47] <androoid> lsl
  263. # [06:47] <androoid> leisure suite larry
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  271. # [07:03] <amigojapan> androoid: I didint claim it was advanced
  272. # [07:03] <amigojapan> androoid: I am just learning html5
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  306. # [08:16] <dr0id> paul_irish: Hi
  307. # [08:16] <amigojapan> dr0id: you are everywhere
  308. # [08:17] <dr0id> yeah, sucks
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  311. # [08:20] <amigojapan> dr0id: I guess we like simillar languages
  312. # [08:22] <dr0id> How do you disable JS in Chrome ?
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  324. # [08:39] <Aric> http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Chrome/thread?tid=5e291648113cc731&hl=en
  325. # [08:39] <Aric> Click on "Options"
  326. # [08:39] <Aric> Go to "Under The Hood"
  327. # [08:39] <Aric> Click on "Content Settings"
  328. # [08:39] <Aric> Click on the "JavaScript" tab
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  556. # [17:04] <tw2113> i like how this article blames the entire spec and calls all of it "insecure" when it's only a small part of it http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2098860/html-poses-security-risk
  557. # [17:06] <tw2113> http://reallygood.co.il/games/sketch/
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  586. # [17:40] <amigojapan> tw2113: isint theinquirer a famous junk magazine?
  587. # 06[17:41] * amigojapan is impressed that it even has an article on computers
  588. # [17:43] <Michael> Yes it's crap
  589. # [17:44] <Michael> renown for pregnant men and alien abductions etc
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  595. # [17:55] <tw2113> *shrug* i didn't read too much into it
  596. # [17:56] <tw2113> the etch-a-sketch link is cooler
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  609. # [18:11] <supa_> Hi. I wanted to ask some questions about WebSockets. Specifically, how to implement the best server.
  610. # [18:11] <supa_> Does it make more sense to try to get Apache+PHP/Tomcat or something to "hand off" the socket to the ws server (is that even possible?) or just build a second server to put the ws server on?
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  616. # [18:25] <moo-_-> supa_: PHP doesn't do sockets natively
  617. # [18:25] <moo-_-> supa_: and doesn't support long running processes
  618. # [18:25] <moo-_-> supa_: so try some alternative
  619. # [18:26] <moo-_-> supa_: what kind of server you are building? for what kind of use case?
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  622. # [18:26] <supa_> The basic use case is to allow information to be echoed from clients back to clients on the same server as a web server.
  623. # [18:26] <supa_> The clients would be using WebSocket from html5.
  624. # [18:27] <supa_> mod_proxy_fdpass looked interesting, but I'm not sure how well that would work.
  625. # [18:27] <moo-_-> supa_: this is popular nowadays http://socket.io/#home
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  627. # [18:27] <supa_> Ya, I know about socket.io, but that doesn't solve the problem with having the WebSocket server on the same machine as the Web Server.
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  726. # [20:40] <Apetrini> Hi to all!! I can't find where Image() object is documented, someone could point me this ?
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  730. # [20:43] <Apetrini> oh, nevermind, I found it.
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  736. # [20:54] <polygon-pusher> any of you guys at forrst? if so please help me out with an invite http://forrst.com/i/C9z, thanks
  737. # 06[20:56] * tw2113 votes just cause
  738. # [20:56] <tw2113> if i need a reason, i'll claim because of the "pusher" in your nick
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  740. # [20:56] <polygon-pusher> thanks
  741. # [20:57] <polygon-pusher> what do you think of that site? any good
  742. # [20:57] <polygon-pusher> kina looks like there some good stuff there but I just found it today
  743. # [20:57] <tw2113> it's very much like dribbble but it adds developers to the mix
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  745. # [20:58] <tw2113> which is perfect for me because i do not claim to be a designer professionally
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  753. # [21:02] <erichynds> polygon-pusher: you can register without an invite with a github account
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  755. # [21:03] <polygon-pusher> I dont have a github account
  756. # [21:03] <polygon-pusher> I have been running my own git server
  757. # [21:03] <polygon-pusher> and I used beanstalk once
  758. # [21:03] <Apetrini> what is the right way to extract ImageData from the Image object ?
  759. # [21:03] <erichynds> you could register, rather than waiting for someone to invite you
  760. # [21:04] <polygon-pusher> I only need one more vote
  761. # [21:04] <polygon-pusher> :)
  762. # [21:04] <tw2113> i use both
  763. # [21:04] <tw2113> github for actually hosting the code, forrst for sharing it with feedback
  764. # [21:04] <polygon-pusher> doesnt github cost to join?
  765. # [21:04] <tw2113> nope
  766. # [21:04] <polygon-pusher> oh
  767. # [21:05] <tw2113> there are paid accounts, but they come with more benefits
  768. # [21:05] <tw2113> but you can definitely have a free account
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  780. # [21:20] <jetienne> polygon-pusher: it is free if you publish your code opensource
  781. # [21:20] <jetienne> you pay if you want the code to be private
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  801. # [21:57] <austinbv> Does anyone here have any experience with integration testing and the html5 canvas
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  803. # [22:03] <moo-_-> austinbv: some
  804. # [22:03] <austinbv> moo-_-: what libraries did you use?
  805. # [22:03] <austinbv> or did you write your own integration tests?
  806. # [22:04] <moo-_-> austinbv: https://github.com/miohtama/slideshow9000/blob/master/slideshow/recorder.py
  807. # [22:04] <moo-_-> using selenium 2.0 from python script, then have some bridging javascript code to extract canvas and manipulate it in Python
  808. # [22:04] <moo-_-> you can get <canvas> out of as PNG image
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  810. # [22:04] <austinbv> right
  811. # [22:05] <moo-_-> austinbv: next question? :)
  812. # [22:05] <austinbv> haha
  813. # [22:05] <austinbv> Well I am looking over the code
  814. # [22:05] <austinbv> it seems that my technique should work
  815. # [22:05] <austinbv> I can emulate drawing on the canvas
  816. # [22:06] <moo-_-> austinbv: I am planning run headless Firefox
  817. # [22:06] <austinbv> but when I use getImageData of the context it always returns like I was outside of the context
  818. # [22:06] <moo-_-> it's not headless yet
  819. # [22:06] <moo-_-> so you need desktop to run it
  820. # [22:06] <austinbv> yes
  821. # [22:06] <austinbv> It is a drawing application that is being tested
  822. # [22:07] <moo-_-> austinbv: do you need to pass image data out of javascript context?
  823. # [22:07] <moo-_-> I assume you can test purely in Javascript
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  825. # [22:11] <austinbv> I would like to test purly in js
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  827. # [22:11] <moo-_-> austinbv: no problem them :)
  828. # [22:11] <moo-_-> austinbv: just fire up firefox from selenium and make it run your javascript unit test suite. When Firefox is up you can use <canvas> in unit tests as much as you want.
  829. # [22:11] <moo-_-> selenium has driver also for chrome, safari, etc.
  830. # [22:12] <austinbv> yeah
  831. # [22:12] <austinbv> I was looking for a clean js library that uses selinum like jasmine or junit
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  835. # [22:13] <austinbv> I have two jquery plugins I wrote one that is a canvas... it just initializes and draws depending on different stuff
  836. # [22:13] <austinbv> the second tests the canvas using things like getImageData
  837. # [22:14] <austinbv> I just cannot get getImageData to actaully return... anything
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  839. # [22:14] <austinbv> except a transparent black which means I was testing a pixel outside of the canvas
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  854. # [22:31] <naquad> any conciese introduction to html5? kind of tag name, options, what it does, examples
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  859. # [22:34] <moo-_-> austinbv: sounds like permisson problem
  860. # [22:34] <moo-_-> cross-domain issue of some sort
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  862. # [22:34] <moo-_-> naquad: html5rocks.com
  863. # [22:35] <naquad> moo-_-, kk, thnx. went there
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  874. # [22:48] <austinbv> permission?
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  876. # [22:49] <austinbv> moo-_-?
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  878. # [22:49] <austinbv> no it's not a cross domain issue
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  887. # [23:23] <moo-_-> austinbv: hmm
  888. # [23:23] <moo-_-> I cannot think any other reasons why you couldn't access pixel data
  889. # [23:23] <moo-_-> unless the canvas is tained
  890. # [23:23] <moo-_-> and you have drawn an image on it from different domain
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  905. # [23:47] <Apetrini> I really don't have a clue on how to handle this, can someone give me a hint ? I want to make pixel manipulation on Image() but it seems like I can manipulate just the canvas. thanks
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  908. # [23:53] <moo-_-> Apetrini: yes
  909. # [23:53] <moo-_-> you do manipulation in canvas
  910. # [23:53] <moo-_-> but you can use canvas as source for drawImage() operation
  911. # [23:53] <moo-_-> so basically <canvas> is same as Image
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  913. # [23:57] <Apetrini> moo-_-: I need to draw an altered png on canvas
  914. # [23:57] <moo-_-> Apetrini: yes
  915. # [23:57] <moo-_-> do as I say
  916. # [23:58] <moo-_-> :)
  917. # [23:58] <moo-_-> draw png on canvas
  918. # [23:58] <moo-_-> alter this canvas
  919. # [23:58] <Apetrini> I can use a temporary canvas, but I can't do canvas.drawImage(temp_canvas...)
  920. # [23:58] <moo-_-> draw canvas on another canvas
  921. # [23:58] <moo-_-> yes you can
  922. # [23:58] <Apetrini> chromium gives me an type error
  923. # [23:58] <Apetrini> but let me check more carefully
  924. # [23:59] <moo-_-> the only possible reason is that you have load the orignal Image from other domain
  925. # [23:59] <moo-_-> and it is subject to cross domain security restrictions
  926. # [23:59] <Apetrini> no no, I removed the security restrictions with --allow-file-access-from-files
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