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  107. # [04:45] <amid_hasan> are there any good examples online of html5 geolocation api use on mobile devices?
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  166. # [06:17] <Fysx> hello?
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  170. # [06:23] <materialdesigner> got a question?
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  178. # [06:43] <dr0id> any idea what kind of window is this -> http://i.imgur.com/XIuAD.png ? you cannot modify the URL, just right click -> print/reload ?
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  180. # [06:47] <vladikoff> dr0id, https://developer.mozilla.org/En/DOM/Window.open see window features
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  183. # [06:56] <dr0id> vladikoff: ohh, heh. it's a simple window.open :D thanks :)
  184. # [06:57] <kurrent> anyone here went to a google html5 hackathon? i'm thinking about going to the one in seattle tomorrow morning
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  186. # [06:58] <vladikoff> kurrent, do ittttt!
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  189. # [07:18] <dr0id> vladikoff: well, how would I window.open() for a POST request ?
  190. # [07:22] <vladikoff> dr0id, probably with some hot javavascript
  191. # [07:23] <niftylettuce> input decimal type using type="number"?
  192. # [07:24] <niftylettuce> do I set a min attr or step?
  193. # [07:24] <niftylettuce> looking to accomplish: <input value="0.00" type="number" required />
  194. # [07:24] <dr0id> vladikoff: not sure how I would do it, on form submit I make a POST ajax request (with the form parameters) to a URL that fetches data from DB and shows. now I wanna do that in window.open()
  195. # [07:26] <niftylettuce> found answer in case anyone else reads logs: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=74120#c8
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  197. # [07:28] <dr0id> vladikoff: probably I am missing there but is it possible to pass the html data to display to window.open ?
  198. # [07:28] <dr0id> I wonder how I should do it :/
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  200. # [07:30] <vladikoff> dr0id, sorry it's 1:25 am, got loads of work, do you want to show the DB data in the new window? then on AJAX post 'success' do the window opening
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  202. # [07:31] <dr0id> vladikoff: with what parameters ? I mean, if I open the window on ajax success, that would just open it with nothing
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  299. # [11:06] <abhishekb> is there any way to draw charts without using flash
  300. # [11:09] <Ms2ger> SVG
  301. # [11:09] <Ms2ger> Or canvas
  302. # [11:11] <abhishekb> where can I get documentation for them is there any lib. to do so ?
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  304. # [11:14] <Ms2ger> whatwg.org/html, w3.org/TR/SVG
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  307. # [11:20] <moo-_-> abhishekb: you can find few libraries with google
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  309. # [11:20] <moo-_-> abhishekb: but I am not going to google it for you :)
  310. # [11:20] <abhishekb> got one amChart ;)
  311. # [11:20] <sasori> quick question, is there a huge difference between html/xhtml & html5 ?
  312. # [11:20] <dr0id> there is only html5 now
  313. # [11:21] <dr0id> that is all.
  314. # [11:21] <dr0id> and not really, not a huge diff
  315. # [11:21] <sasori> ok, thanks for answering my query, mr. dr0id :)
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  346. # [12:19] <mark_scz> http://pastebin.com/wMSRQwm3 should this work? I'm trying to have multiple line colors however when i draw it, it ends up all being the last color i specified
  347. # [12:19] <mark_scz> that is multiple lines of different colors
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  351. # [12:27] <mark_scz> nvm turns out you need a new path for every line
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  398. # [14:24] <xanderbeedle> is it cool to put wrappers (a div for instance) around html5 elements? I.e. <div><header>...</header></div>
  399. # [14:24] <Ms2ger> Sure
  400. # [14:26] <xanderbeedle> Ms2ger: and that's considered ok? it doesn't change the... (can't think of how to describe this :P) semanticality of the elements?
  401. # [14:26] <Ms2ger> Not at all, div doesn't mean anything
  402. # [14:28] <xanderbeedle> Cool, thanks
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  414. # [14:51] <OzDave_mbp_> so is the new pixelshim <canvas width="1" height="1"></canvas> ?
  415. # [14:51] <RLa> uh, why would it be
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  417. # [14:52] <OzDave_mbp_> programming sarcasm :P
  418. # [14:52] <RLa> it does not request any external file
  419. # [14:52] <RLa> anyway, how heavyweight canvas is?
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  422. # [14:53] <OzDave_mbp> not sure
  423. # [14:53] <RLa> it would be nice if i could use it to implement proper border-image
  424. # [14:53] <RLa> or 9-grid border
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  437. # [15:12] <RLa> looks like html5 XMLHttpRequest api is a bit different than old one
  438. # [15:14] <RLa> it has new progress events
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  460. # [15:30] <hemanth> is it possible to access voice and video from HTML5 apis?
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  471. # [15:40] <Aric> hemanth: like microphone + camera for webcam chatting or recording?
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  473. # [15:41] <hemanth> Aric, yup, https://labs.ericsson.com/developer-community/blog/beyond-html5-conversational-voice-and-video-implemented-webkit-gtk is the only thing i saw so far
  474. # [15:41] <hemanth> that too, the js is not provided
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  478. # [15:43] <Aric> I thought I remembered something about Google using that for Hangouts and Gtalk Video Chat or something, but I don't have any experience with it myself, unfortunately
  479. # [15:43] <hemanth> sockets must be
  480. # [15:43] <hemanth> hrrrm
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  487. # [15:58] <mr[dot]dr0id> Hey
  488. # [15:58] <mr[dot]dr0id> html5 has no new input type for numbers with decimal ? :)
  489. # [15:58] <mr[dot]dr0id> 5.50 , etc. ?
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  514. # [16:40] <Ms2ger> mr[dot]dr0id, surely that's what input type=number is for?
  515. # [16:41] <mr[dot]dr0id> number doesn't accepts decimals
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  518. # [16:43] <xec> it says "number: A control for entering a floating point number." at https://developer.mozilla.org/en/HTML/Element/input
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  520. # [16:48] <mr[dot]dr0id> xec: if you try here, http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml5_form_number
  521. # [16:48] <mr[dot]dr0id> but yeah, it does says floating point o.O
  522. # [16:49] <xec> works in chrome, firefox ignores number type and makes it a text field
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  616. # [18:26] <cgcardona> word
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  618. # [18:27] <tw2113> homie
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  635. # [18:49] <cgcardona> dude
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  637. # [18:50] <tw2113> dude
  638. # [18:50] <Ms2ger> dudes
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  640. # [18:51] <cgcardona> dud3z
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  642. # [18:52] <tw2113> dud0rz
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  646. # [18:54] <thatryan> dudettes?
  647. # [18:54] <cgcardona> the dud3
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  649. # [18:55] <tw2113> stop talking to yoursef thatryan
  650. # [18:55] <tw2113> jk
  651. # [18:55] <cgcardona> hah
  652. # [18:55] <tw2113> don't hurt me, i'm just a webdev
  653. # [18:55] <thatryan> but im the only one who listens :)
  654. # [18:55] <tw2113> huh? you say something over there?
  655. # [18:55] <tw2113> jk again
  656. # [18:55] <tw2113> still a webdev
  657. # [18:55] <thatryan> lol
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  680. # [19:38] <BrianBlakely> https://twitter.com/brianblakely/status/100620837283045376
  681. # [19:38] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/rqNTNp @brianblakely: My latest source of CSS-derived blood pressure: http://t.co/mmjNfPy
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  684. # [19:39] <BrianBlakely> It boggles my mind what ships in modern browsers
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  686. # [19:39] <BrianBlakely> Sometimes for good!
  687. # [19:39] <BrianBlakely> Sometimes.. not.
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  689. # [19:41] <nimbu> it will boggle your mind more when you hear of what browsers have to deal with to deliver consistent rendering BrianBlakely
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  699. # [19:59] <RLa> what ides you guys use when working with html5 and javascript? aptana?
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  701. # [20:01] <RLa> i'm currently trying to use eclipse + wtp + javascript tools, but it has not built-in knowledge of browser objects/classes, only those you define yourself
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  720. # [20:25] <BrianBlakely> RLa: Currently on Coda.
  721. # [20:26] <BrianBlakely> Its advantages for me are that it has Webkit built in (incl. Web Inspector), and it's nice and lightweight. Definitely will open/close faster than Aptana, and the OS X support is way, way beyond Aptana.
  722. # [20:28] <RLa> hm, wtp has some browser built-in too but that's very basic, it's certanly not webkit
  723. # [20:28] <RLa> hm, coda only works on os x?
  724. # [20:30] <BrianBlakely> nimbu: I'm sympathetic to the problems of browser vendors, but it sucks to be an author when others' compromises affect your work.
  725. # [20:30] <nimbu> BrianBlakely: these are parts of drafts not specs that are stable
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  727. # [20:31] <nimbu> so you should keep that in mind before using and expecting an experience that is comparable with those of properties that have existed for 20 years
  728. # [20:31] <BrianBlakely> RLa: Yeah, Panic is an Apple-exclusive dev
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  737. # [20:35] * tw2113 totes has totes
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  743. # [20:38] <tw2113> this type of totes http://www.wh1.com/images/products/totes-large.jpg
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  748. # [20:42] <BrianBlakely> nimbu: Actually, the rendering in Chrome used to be great until they switched to a bilinear filter in m12's GPU implementation. Now, I need to switch between GPU and CPU paths for rendering (during animation and rest, respectively), which causes *fullscreen flicker*. That's in a shipping product.
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  750. # [20:43] <BrianBlakely> I could never ship along something like that, clients just wouldn't accept it.
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  753. # [20:45] <BrianBlakely> Which pretty much relegates hardware acceleration in Chrome to demos and the odd effect here and there.
  754. # [20:45] <BrianBlakely> You can't build an app off of it, but it seems you're saying this is the expectation.
  755. # [20:49] <RLa> doesn't switch between gpu/cpu rendering make it slower than just cpu rendering?
  756. # [20:50] <RLa> what's gpu rendering used for? 3d?
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  784. # [21:36] <BrianBlakely> RLa: It's actually faster. There is some stutter if you do it while animating, but switching between paths once an animation is complete gets around this.
  785. # [21:38] <BrianBlakely> So you get well-rendered text while at rest, and blurry text (but high FPS) while in motion. It's clunky, but right now it's the only way and not too difficult to implement.
  786. # [21:38] <RLa> text is blurry because of no antialias?
  787. # [21:39] <RLa> in gpu-rendering phase?
  788. # [21:40] <BrianBlakely> RLa: Nope, because a bilinear filter is applied to any GPU-path'd element. So it's like your element became a poorly-compressed JPG.
  789. # [21:40] <RLa> uh
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  791. # [21:41] <BrianBlakely> Heh, it's very IE-esque, or at least the workflow of "make an application, then work around browser bugs/odd behavior"
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  800. # [21:47] <danielfilho> entao
  801. # [21:47] <danielfilho> oops
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  846. # [23:00] <Eighteens> Hi i'm new to html5, is there anything i should know in preparing my apache2 server for html5, and whats a good starting place for a first time html5 page development
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  849. # [23:01] <Ms2ger> Eighteens, I'd suggest the spec: whatwg.org/html
  850. # [23:01] <Ms2ger> On the server, it really isn't any different to any other version of HTML
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  853. # [23:02] <Eighteens> after seeing an quake2 advertisement running in a browser, i thought i'd give html5 a look
  854. # [23:03] <grantg> Just make sure you can serve up an actual webpage, that's all.
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  856. # [23:03] <irae_> Eighteens, Ms2ger: Some new features of HTML5 needs some server configuration. For example, when using offline cache, you have to set the correct mime type.
  857. # [23:04] <grantg> you can also do that with PHP
  858. # [23:04] <grantg> setting mime types.
  859. # [23:05] <grantg> like make your manifest file a php file
  860. # [23:05] <grantg> and send out the mime type header via header()
  861. # [23:06] <Eighteens> i got the php5 modules working, trying to get a .py file working other than the default hello world, getting errors, so i thought i would take a break and look at some html5 stuff
  862. # [23:06] <plh_> Eighteens, for apache2, you might want to look at https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/blob/99e140ded4509d1d4e8b825919746c8207a1e28d/.htaccess
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  864. # [23:07] <Eighteens> thx for all the tips everyone
  865. # [23:07] <irae_> I was about to post the link plh_ just posted. good stuff
  866. # [23:08] <grantg> This is what happens to me whenever I screw with .htaccess files: http://i.imgur.com/s1JGl.gif
  867. # [23:09] <grantg> :P
  868. # [23:09] <irae_> lol
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  885. # [23:43] <cgcardona> Eighteens: https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/blob/master/.htaccess <-- html5boilerplate .htaccess
  886. # [23:43] <cgcardona> err
  887. # [23:43] <cgcardona> heh
  888. # [23:43] <cgcardona> already there ^
  889. # [23:43] <cgcardona> :p
  890. # [23:43] <cgcardona> derp
  891. # [23:45] <tw2113> carlos herp'd?
  892. # [23:45] <cgcardona> derp derp derp
  893. # [23:45] * cgcardona doesn't backlog before joining the converstation :p
  894. # [23:46] <cgcardona> I DON'T NEED NO STINKIN BACKLOG!
  895. # [23:47] <tw2113> you totally need to read back and see all the log ins and log outs
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  897. # [23:48] <acidjazz> am i crazy what is going on here : this.can = document.getElementById('map'); this.ctx = this.can.getContext('2d'); i get : this.can.getContext is not a function
  898. # [23:48] <tw2113> cgcardona how else would you know who lurks?
  899. # [23:49] <cgcardona> this.canOfWhoopA$$ ?
  900. # [23:49] <cgcardona> </lame joke>
  901. # [23:49] <cgcardona> :(
  902. # [23:50] * cgcardona goes back to trolling
  903. # [23:50] <tw2113> canvas 3:16?
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  905. # [23:55] <acidjazz> n/m i fix
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