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  51. # [01:45] <xonecas> o/
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  57. # [01:53] <materialdesigner> I never know if o/ is supposed to mean "hi" or "I have a question"
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  59. # [01:55] <xonecas> materialdesigner: I use it as hello.
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  61. # [01:55] <xonecas> But I see how it could be a question
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  65. # [02:02] <gavacho> looks like a musical note to me
  66. # [02:02] <materialdesigner> o/"
  67. # [02:02] <materialdesigner> o/`
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  361. # [13:28] <RLa> can audio tag also be used with streamed media?
  362. # [13:28] <RLa> or static files only?
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  366. # [13:34] <Lebannen> Amazon's new HTML5 kindle implementation is interesting - wonder how they're doing the page calculations so fast?
  367. # [13:35] <Lebannen> They're also not doing anything special with the manifest, which is interesting considering some of the in-the-wild iOS issues we're running into
  368. # [13:35] <Lebannen> would love to know who did that
  369. # [13:38] <RLa> html5 kindle implementation?
  370. # [13:38] <RLa> is that kindle user interface written in html5?
  371. # [13:39] <RLa> i do not own kindle and have never used it so i do not know much about it
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  373. # [13:40] <Lebannen> https://read.amazon.com/ :)
  374. # [13:40] <Lebannen> yup - cloud synching, offline reading, etc, all in HTML5
  375. # [13:40] <Lebannen> decent compatibility, too
  376. # [13:42] <moo-_-> whaaat
  377. # [13:42] <moo-_-> they have done kindle in html5?
  378. # [13:42] <moo-_-> Lebannen: now I understand your question
  379. # [13:42] <moo-_-> paging is nasty
  380. # [13:42] <moo-_-> they must have something pre-generated?
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  382. # [13:42] <Lebannen> yeah :) When I tried it on the iPad I assumed it must be pre-generated (one font, five sizes)
  383. # [13:43] <Lebannen> but… you can also try it on the desktop, with different window sizes. It's not snapping to paragraphs; it loads chunks into the page, but they're not fixed chapter breaks or anything
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  386. # [13:43] <Lebannen> I haven't had time to delve into it properly but it's pretty damn fast and doesn't appear to be using precalculations
  387. # [13:43] <Lebannen> E
  388. # [13:44] <Lebannen> Each word is in a span, and some have ids, so they might be doing an optimised walk to find page boundaries within the current "blob" of loaded text
  389. # [13:44] <Lebannen> but that still doesn't explain being able to jump to another blob
  390. # [13:44] <RLa> "Your web browser isn't supported yet. Download Chrome or Safari below."
  391. # [13:45] <RLa> so it doesn't work with firefox?
  392. # [13:45] <Lebannen> WebKit-only… not too surprising I suppose, if they're targeting mobile devices
  393. # [13:45] <RLa> ok, lets try with Arora
  394. # [13:46] <moo-_-> RLa: spoof the UA?
  395. # [13:46] <RLa> yes
  396. # [13:47] <RLa> no, it doesn't work, it still diplays that message
  397. # [13:47] <RLa> i set UA to Safari 4.0.4
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  399. # [13:49] <RLa> anyway, why is there "<meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=8" />" in the source?
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  401. # [13:50] <RLa> otherwise source looks rather clean
  402. # [13:50] <Lebannen> Interestingly, when I set Safari to use the iPad user agent, it still showed a desktop screenshot (differently to an actual iPad), so it's not using [just] UAs
  403. # [13:51] <RLa> except mixing single tags with / at end and without
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  498. # [17:09] <gyzmodo> Amigos
  499. # [17:09] <gyzmodo> Why not friends
  500. # [17:11] <mike5w3c> inamoratas y inamoratos
  501. # [17:11] <paul_irish> :D
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  503. # [17:12] <gyzmodo> ne ponyal :)
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  549. # [18:24] <salazr> yay re: h5bp v2
  550. # [18:24] <paul_irish> yay!
  551. # [18:24] <paul_irish> fyi
  552. # [18:24] <paul_irish> ✰ 2.0 is out! Normalized CSS, responsive, @import inlining, appcache generation, more robust, smaller size and faster http://t.co/kbCRlK4 ♡
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  565. # [18:51] <mike5w3c> paul_irish: congrats
  566. # [18:51] <mike5w3c> お疲れ様でした
  567. # [18:51] <nimbu> ALSO US
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  582. # [19:12] <cgcardona> hello
  583. # [19:13] <sandprickle> hi
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  586. # [19:16] <CoverSlide> woo i love normalize
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  593. # [19:32] <paul_irish> mike5w3c: :D
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  601. # [19:52] <danielfilho> paul_irish: congratz on h5bp 2.0! fuck yeah :D
  602. # [19:52] <paul_irish> :):)
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  604. # [19:52] <danielfilho> glad to have helped just a little bit.
  605. # [19:52] <danielfilho> but need to help more :P
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  607. # [19:53] <gavacho> mozel tov!
  608. # [19:53] <paul_irish> help is always appreciated. :)
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  610. # [19:59] <BrianBlakely> Huh, so is there really no way to delete a custom property on an Element in IE7?
  611. # [19:59] <paul_irish> removeAttribute no good?
  612. # [19:59] <paul_irish> are we being specific about differences between element properties and dom attributes?
  613. # [20:01] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: Yes
  614. # [20:01] <BrianBlakely> Element.foo
  615. # [20:01] <BrianBlakely> That kind of deal
  616. # [20:02] <paul_irish> delete Element.foo // throws?
  617. # [20:02] <BrianBlakely> delete document.getElementById('foo').bar
  618. # [20:02] <BrianBlakely> IE7 throws up
  619. # [20:03] <BrianBlakely> This works on literals. I've never had to try it on other objects (Function, etc)
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  622. # [20:05] <BrianBlakely> OK, it works on literals and Function, so it seems like it's pretty much just Element
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  660. # [20:41] <johnkpaul> I am looking for the online css3 gradient generator that allows the user to upload an image and then someone analyzes that image to produce the gradient
  661. # [20:41] <johnkpaul> something like this: http://davidwalsh.name/png-css but web based
  662. # [20:41] <johnkpaul> I remember seeing it a few months ago and bookmarking it
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  664. # [20:42] <johnkpaul> but I have since lost that bookmark
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  677. # [20:54] <w3ztb0y> excuse me...
  678. # [20:55] <w3ztb0y> is there any indonesia people??
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  686. # [20:59] <irae_> johnkpaul: http://gradient-scanner.com/
  687. # [20:59] <johnkpaul> thanks irae_!
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  689. # [21:00] <irae_> np ;)
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  699. # [21:14] <danielfilho> paul_irish, irae_ said your voice is amazing.
  700. # [21:14] <paul_irish> hahahah
  701. # [21:14] <danielfilho> i didn't remember if it's yours or john resig's voice.
  702. # [21:14] <danielfilho> anyway.
  703. # [21:14] <irae_> danielfilho: what??
  704. # [21:14] <tbranyen> lol
  705. # [21:14] <paul_irish> Definitely mine.
  706. # [21:14] <danielfilho> like ?omgpaul
  707. # [21:15] <tbranyen> swoon
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  712. # [21:16] <irae_> they are both amazing, but I only met john in person
  713. # [21:16] <irae_> yet
  714. # [21:17] <paul_irish> hey im coming to south america!
  715. # [21:17] <irae_> danielfilho: we have to organize that event you were planing and bring paul_irish soon to Brazil
  716. # [21:17] <irae_> paul_irish: Chile?
  717. # [21:17] <paul_irish> yes santiago for.. umm.. whatever that was
  718. # [21:18] <paul_irish> but the Sao Paolo Google Developer Day
  719. # [21:18] <paul_irish> just found that out 20min ago :)
  720. # [21:18] <paul_irish> its in 1mo
  721. # [21:18] <paul_irish> and the Buenos Aires one too
  722. # [21:18] <paul_irish> santiago, startechconf
  723. # [21:20] <paul_irish> https://twitter.com/#!/zacharyjohnson/status/101371110116962305 what!?!?!
  724. # [21:20] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/pAm3DJ @zacharyjohnson: OH MAN... HTML5 canvas's getImageData() returns color values corrected by the monitors color profile?! EVEN GIFS?! You are shitting me.
  725. # [21:20] <irae_> a friend of mine is planing to go to startechconf wishes me to go with him, but I think I will not make it. I'm short of money right now
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  728. # [21:22] <irae_> paul_irish: if this is true, this is somewhat a security issue, is it not?
  729. # [21:22] <paul_irish> what can you do with color profile data?
  730. # [21:22] <paul_irish> unrelated
  731. # [21:22] <paul_irish> needed: a huge blog post of research on script@defer
  732. # [21:23] <tantek> paul_irish, theoretically color profile data could be used as part of "profiling" a user by their attributes (what computer, monitor, browser etc. that they're using)
  733. # [21:23] <irae_> I bet that a combination color profile, screen size and user agent can tell the model of the computer… at least for mainstream notebook models
  734. # [21:23] <danielfilho> sorry, daily meeting... but i'm back
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  736. # [21:24] <danielfilho> paul_irish: we will arrive in brazil in the sao paulo gdd's day
  737. # [21:25] <paul_irish> tantek: yeah guess so.. another thing https://panopticlick.eff.org/ can use
  738. # [21:25] <danielfilho> and irae's phrase "they're both amazing" makes me think about paul's unicorns and glitters and hearts, and he saying to me "hey daniel, I also have freckles".
  739. # [21:25] <danielfilho> hahahahaha :D
  740. # [21:25] <paul_irish> irae_: suppose that's true
  741. # [21:26] <irae_> danielfilho: are you insane? I never said that!
  742. # [21:26] <irae_> lol
  743. # [21:26] <danielfilho> irae_: they are both amazing, but I only met john in person
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  745. # [21:27] <danielfilho> this was a quote from a few minutes ago.
  746. # [21:27] <danielfilho> anyway, let's arrange something while you're in brazil.
  747. # [21:27] <danielfilho> stay a few more days, keep a weekend so we can have some beers :P
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  749. # [21:28] <danielfilho> fcardoso: you dude! :D
  750. # [21:29] <irae_> paul_irish: omg, my browser is unique amongst almost 2 billion tested!
  751. # [21:29] <irae_> scary site
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  753. # [21:29] <fabiodan> danielfilho: hey!
  754. # [21:41] <BrianBlakely> johnkpaul: I like this gradient tool better: http://www.colorzilla.com/gradient-editor/
  755. # [21:42] <BrianBlakely> I think it's, by far, the best way to create gradients for nearly all circumstances :)
  756. # [21:42] <irae_> BrianBlakely, johnkpaul none of this generators have a good fallback for IE. Most of the time you have to tweak your gradients by hand if you care for a nice fallback.
  757. # [21:43] <irae_> but I agree with BrianBlakely, I aways start with the one he posted.
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  760. # [21:43] <BrianBlakely> irae_: I don't understand. It uses the only fallback for IE, filter (aside from simply using an image)
  761. # [21:44] <johnkpaul> BrianBlakely: but that requires you to analyze the colors in the image explicitly rather than just taking it from an image someone gives you
  762. # [21:46] <BrianBlakely> johnkpaul: There is an "import from image" button? Doesn't do the job?
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  764. # [21:47] <johnkpaul> it does, but then the image has to be _just_ the gradient
  765. # [21:47] <johnkpaul> more often I Have a large jpg comp
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  768. # [21:49] <BrianBlakely> johnkpaul: Ah, I seeee. I'd suggest cropping that down to the gradient; usually takes 3 seconds.
  769. # [21:49] <johnkpaul> yeah, that's true, I'm just too lazy to switch into photoshop for that to be honest
  770. # [21:49] <johnkpaul> dont' worry though, they're both in my bookmarks now
  771. # [21:49] <BrianBlakely> hehe
  772. # [21:49] <johnkpaul> and I'll find which one I like by seeing whic one I actually use when the time comes up
  773. # [21:50] <johnkpaul> also, greatfully I don't have to worry too much about IE fallback because I can just pick the center color
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  777. # [21:54] <paul_irish> https://github.com/paulirish/lazyweb-requests/issues/42 script @defer research if anyone is interested :)
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  785. # [22:05] <irae_> paul_irish: I was being interviewed for a job position and they asked me specifically for the @defer and if I used it in any projects.
  786. # [22:05] <paul_irish> nice
  787. # [22:05] <irae_> I guess it's a good question to tell apart experienced developers that know obscure portions of the web.
  788. # [22:05] <Ms2ger> And @async?
  789. # [22:05] <Ms2ger> Hah, I can invent more obscure parts ;)
  790. # [22:05] <irae_> i dare say @async is common knowledge know, Ms2ger
  791. # [22:06] <Ms2ger> Tell me, what does <image> do? :)
  792. # [22:06] <Ms2ger> Though I guess error handling isn't really something I want my webdev to know
  793. # [22:06] <irae_> you win, I don't know without googling it
  794. # [22:07] <irae_> Ms2ger, what does <image> do?
  795. # [22:07] <Ms2ger> It turns into <img> at parse time
  796. # [22:09] <irae_> not so relevant as @defer
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  798. # [22:10] <Ms2ger> Not relevant at all :)
  799. # [22:10] <Ms2ger> A good question when hiring a browser QA person, perhaps
  800. # [22:10] <krijnh> paul_irish: got some complaints about the public logs
  801. # [22:11] <krijnh> paul_irish: either I have to stop or it has to be noted in the channel toic
  802. # [22:11] <krijnh> *topic even
  803. # [22:11] <paul_irish> ugh.
  804. # [22:11] <paul_irish> hm
  805. # [22:12] <paul_irish> okay time to update the topic then
  806. # [22:12] <krijnh> Perhaps with a url shortener so my name is not advertised that much?
  807. # [22:12] <irae_> I think I remember Steave Souders talking about @defer in one of his talks...
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  809. # [22:12] <paul_irish> he def has.
  810. # [22:13] <irae_> I think I will take a shot on this lazy web request… god bless my poor english, but I think I'll try
  811. # [22:15] <irae_> writing extensive english posts gives me real headaches sometimes… :(
  812. # [22:15] <paul_irish> proposed new topic: (cc krijnh)
  813. # [22:15] <paul_irish> Ask any question about HTML5 & Friends. || HTML5 for Developers: http://developers.whatwg.org || Also: http://html5rocks.com http://diveintohtml5.org http://mzl.la/9giLwR || Channel logs: http://j.mp/cG7UDa
  814. # [22:15] <krijnh> Cool
  815. # [22:16] <paul_irish> k gonna get ircop to help me
  816. # [22:16] <krijnh> Ask marienz :)
  817. # [22:17] <marienz> please prod me in a bit, I'm supposed to be paying attention elsewhere
  818. # [22:18] <paul_irish> marienz: okay will do
  819. # [22:18] <paul_irish> revised FTR:
  820. # [22:18] <paul_irish> Ask any question about HTML5 & Friends || HTML5 Spec for Developers: http://developers.whatwg.org || Also: http://html5rocks.com http://diveintohtml5.org http://mzl.la/9giLwR || Channel logs: http://j.mp/cG7UDa
  821. # [22:18] <jetienne> still not chanop hey ?
  822. # [22:18] <krijnh> Y U NO LIKE MY LOGS?!
  823. # [22:18] <paul_irish> jetienne: freenode doesnt like giving ownership.. my application has been in for like 14mo or so
  824. # [22:19] <paul_irish> meanwhile i have ownership of #whatwg.. hah
  825. # [22:19] <krijnh> Everybody has it there ;)
  826. # [22:19] <jetienne> :)
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  828. # [22:22] * marienz changes topic to 'Ask any question about HTML5 & Friends || HTML5 Spec for Developers: http://developers.whatwg.org || Also: http://html5rocks.com http://diveintohtml5.org http://mzl.la/9giLwR || Channel logs: http://j.mp/cG7UDa'
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  830. # [22:26] <krijnh> \o/
  831. # [22:27] <krijnh> It's safe to sleep again
  832. # [22:28] <krijnh> (http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml#logging btw)
  833. # [22:28] <krijnh> Thanks paul_irish, marienz
  834. # [22:29] <paul_irish> thx marienz
  835. # [22:29] <marienz> it's primarily in the motd
  836. # [22:29] <marienz> channel_guidelines.shtml isn't enforced network-wide, but this bit of the motd is
  837. # [22:29] <marienz> we should add it to policy.shtml at some point, I think, just to make it easier to find
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