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  22. # [00:20] <m1chael> i just clicked on something that showed me a google map of my exact location with latitude/longitude.. i gave permission.. but how does the geolocation api work? is there some kind of GPS inside my netbook?
  23. # [00:20] <materialdesigner> usually IP resolution
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  25. # [00:23] <m1chael> how can you tell??
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  27. # [00:27] <danheberden> also registered mac addresses, etc
  28. # [00:32] <brettgoulder> m1chael, wifi triangulation
  29. # [00:34] <m1chael> can i put my netbook in a backpack and have a local app recording my gps coordinates?
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  31. # [00:38] <iateadonut> does getting excited looking at the o'reilly website at all the new html5 books make me an uber-nerd or just a super-nerd?
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  43. # [00:51] <gavacho> how many magic decks have you crafted?
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  52. # [00:58] <iateadonut> 0, but my brother gave me one and i played before.
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  55. # [00:58] <iateadonut> i think just understanding that question is pretty nerdy.
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  59. # [01:02] <irae_> m1chael: this link explain a lot about geolocation without a GPS, it focuses on iPad, but is valid for any wifi enabled device as well http://www.jeremyjohnstone.com/blog/2010-04-08-ipad-geo-location-accuracy.html
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  94. # [02:03] <gavacho> yeah, i agree
  95. # [02:03] <gavacho> nerdcore imo
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  227. # [06:53] <jovrtn> anyone around with an interest in typography?
  228. # [06:53] <materialdesigner> me
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  230. # [06:55] <jovrtn> I'm toying with a script that automatically adjusts font size to fit the width of its container
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  233. # [07:04] <materialdesigner> like fittext.js?
  234. # [07:04] <materialdesigner> jovrtn: http://fittextjs.com/
  235. # [07:04] <jovrtn> ahh
  236. # [07:04] <jovrtn> I was curious if there was already something out there
  237. # [07:04] <jovrtn> hmm
  238. # [07:04] <jovrtn> 'Oh, and don't you dare let us catch you using FitText on paragraph text. This is for gigantic display text only!'
  239. # [07:05] <jovrtn> that seems to be the most important use case
  240. # [07:05] <jovrtn> giving body text a proper font size / measure
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  243. # [07:09] <materialdesigner> there's another JS that I'm trying to remember the name of
  244. # [07:09] <materialdesigner> that's similar but different
  245. # [07:10] <jovrtn> http://ovrtn.com/lab/measured/
  246. # [07:10] <jovrtn> resize the browser window to try it
  247. # [07:10] <jovrtn> assumes an average character width of .5em
  248. # [07:11] <materialdesigner> http://trentwalton.com/2011/05/10/fit-to-scale/
  249. # [07:11] <materialdesigner> nvm, that was the same one
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  251. # [07:13] <jovrtn> the idea is that measure isn't something that should be under the user's control
  252. # [07:13] <jovrtn> window / element size, sure
  253. # [07:13] <jovrtn> but the text should react to that
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  276. # [08:11] <SHVELO> Hello
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  288. # [08:42] <shichuan1> SHVELO: hi
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  391. # [13:29] <brightsites> is this a valid doc type and html tag combination? http://pastebin.com/EPQBtcyJ
  392. # [13:30] <Aric> you could just do: <!doctype html><html lang="en"></html>
  393. # [13:31] <Aric> http://diveintohtml5.org/semantics.html#html-element
  394. # [13:31] <Aric> http://diveintohtml5.org/semantics.html#the-doctype
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  452. # [15:31] <Aric> Anyone know much about SASS (SCSS):
  453. # [15:31] <Aric> I have a watcher on my style.scss -> style.css, but I want to maintain it in 4-5 .scss files in a bin directory... is this possible to have it combine all and minify upon every save with the daemon/watcher?
  454. # [15:31] <Aric> i just have @imports in my style.scss now but when it compiles to .css it just stays the same
  455. # [15:31] <Aric> it doesnt import inline and minify etc
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  463. # [15:44] <Sembiance> Aric: I know I hate SASS :)
  464. # [15:44] <Sembiance> Aric: There are much better CSS languages out there. I myself use Stylus: http://learnboost.github.com/stylus/docs/js.html
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  470. # [16:00] <Aric> I don't want to use a client side render, SASS compiles and minifies the css server-side then to the client it's just standard css
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  472. # [16:01] <henrikkok> Aric: what are your file extensions for the other files ?
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  475. # [16:02] <Aric> .css but i tried them as .scss also
  476. # [16:03] <henrikkok> I do exatly the same thing (but use dotLESS/LESS instead), and when the files where named .css it was importet as text - but renaming them to .less did the trick
  477. # [16:03] <Aric> My style.scss looks like -> http://www.pastie.org/2361213
  478. # [16:04] <Aric> and then when i change it and save i see the daemon auto make a .css file as planned
  479. # [16:04] <Aric> but the style.css looks exactly the same
  480. # [16:04] <Aric> no importing and minifying
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  483. # [16:07] <Sembiance> Aric: I use stylus server side. My build system automatically compiles .styl into .css when I save the file. And for staging/production, my build system concatenates and minifies with YUICompressor
  484. # [16:07] <henrikkok> Aric: have you tried this syntax "@import: 'bin/alpha.scss';"
  485. # [16:07] <henrikkok> instead of url()
  486. # [16:07] <henrikkok> and .css
  487. # [16:10] <Aric> henrikkok: tried .scss and .css and got syntax error:
  488. # [16:10] <Aric> http://www.pastie.org/2361248
  489. # [16:10] <Aric> err
  490. # [16:10] <Aric> same thing whenever i had the : or no url()
  491. # [16:10] <Aric> that was just the latest try
  492. # [16:11] <kennyluck> Are people here interested in MDN doc sprint?
  493. # [16:12] <Sembiance> kennyluck: I'm very happy they are doing it, I subscribe to a blog that posts the MDN doc sprint updates every week or something
  494. # [16:12] <henrikkok> Aric: well i don't have any more good suggestions.
  495. # [16:12] <Sembiance> kennyluck: the web has had shitty JS/CSS/HTML docs for a long time. MDC/MDN is the first glimmer of awesomeness. I can only hope it results in w3schools results disappearing from the tops of google searches everywhere
  496. # [16:12] <Sembiance> kennyluck: for the longest time MSDN actually had the best info rofl
  497. # [16:13] <kennyluck> Sembiance, me too.
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  499. # [16:13] <Sembiance> kennyluck: now when searching google, I often add 'MDC' or 'MDN' to the query to make sure I get the MDC/MDN result up there
  500. # [16:13] <kennyluck> Sembiance, just what SEO tricks does w3school do to make it top? I wonder
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  504. # [16:14] <Sembiance> What I find HILARIOUS is that w3schools offers a 'certification program'. You too can put "w3schools certified" on your resume for only $95 !
  505. # [16:15] <kennyluck> lol
  506. # [16:16] <tbranyen> Sembiance: heh i commented on that in pauls hackernews thread
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  508. # [16:16] <tbranyen> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2082286
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  511. # [16:18] <Sembiance> The folks working on the MDN doc springs should be very proud of the work they are doing. Sadly, it will go mostly un-noticed in the short-term. But over time, once more people link to them, and they show up higher in google search results, people will start singing the praise of the docs
  512. # [16:19] <kennyluck> Sembiance, hmmm. I am asking if there are people interested because we are having a doc sprint right now ;)
  513. # [16:20] <Sembiance> by the way, I love being a developer now a days. Sure it can suck supporting so many different browsers, but there are so many great, free, open-source modules out there :)
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  515. # [16:20] <Sembiance> I started a project yesterday that uses from front end to back end: yui3, normalize.css, nginx, node.js, fugue, express.js, dust.js, step, json-schema, JSV, stylus, mongolian, mongodb. soon, elasticsearch.
  516. # [16:22] <Sembiance> but I thought it would take many nights to get up and running with some of the ones I was seeing for the first time (dust, jsv, json-schema, mongolian, mongodb) but nope, it took just 2 nights. super awesome :)
  517. # [16:24] <Sembiance> kennyluck: do you have a page that lists what is left to do?
  518. # [16:24] <Aric> henrikkok: your suggestion worked with some fiddling
  519. # [16:24] <henrikkok> cool - what did the trick ?
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  524. # [16:27] <kennyluck> Sembiance, yeah here's the topics for this time https://wiki.mozilla.org/MDN/Doc_sprints/2011August#Topics
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  526. # [16:29] <Aric> im looking at some interesting SASS stuff http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3518740/less-sass-css-opposite-from-minification-optimizations/3530292#3530292
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  533. # [16:42] <nimbu> http://asidemag.com/ WTFFFFF
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  535. # [16:43] <Wilto> I am here to flip out with you, nimbu.
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  537. # [16:44] <nimbu> I appreciate your company Wilto, these are dark days.
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  539. # [16:45] <Wilto> There is so much to hate about that link that I am not sure where to begin.
  540. # [16:46] <nimbu> its tru
  541. # [16:46] <Aric> on a work network, wont open, give me the low and dirty of what to hate?
  542. # [16:46] <Wilto> Is it that we’re STILL doing this “HTML5 is used to make magazines” thing? Is it “iPAD ONLY HTML5 ARE YOU KIDDING ME?” Is it the Flash video player one must use to preview a WEBSITE?
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  544. # [16:47] <Wilto> Is it the name “aside?” Maybe a little.
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  546. # [16:48] <nimbu> hahahahahahaha
  547. # [16:48] <nimbu> Wilto: you are the best.
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  549. # [16:48] <nimbu> I think you should always remain insomniac for best results.
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  551. # [16:48] <Wilto> nimbu: I’m getting there.
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  554. # [16:52] <Itsdr0id> halo, what is the time ?
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  556. # [16:53] <Wilto> It’s time to get ill.
  557. # [16:55] <nimbu> hahahahahah
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  562. # [16:58] <Wilto> i'm so tired
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  567. # [17:07] <Aric> Wilto: that's because HTML5 was invented by Apple and first used on their iPads right?
  568. # [17:07] <Aric> Has any other software/hardware besides Apple implemented any of it yet?
  569. # [17:07] <Wilto> Aric: You are killing me.
  570. # [17:07] <Aric> ...so innovative :)
  571. # [17:08] <Ms2ger> Aric, you know what's sad?
  572. # [17:08] <Ms2ger> There are people who seriously make such claims
  573. # [17:08] <Aric> Ms2ger: That IE still has more market than FF or Chrome?
  574. # [17:08] <Aric> yea that too :(
  575. # [17:09] <Aric> I like how the new H5BP auto suggests Chrome frame to IE6 users.. :)
  576. # [17:10] <Aric> would be nice to make a script that would download Chrome, Install it, Change it to default browser, close IE, open Chrome with all the same tabs open, delete IE off the computer, replace all IE shortcuts with Chrome... all in the background
  577. # [17:11] <Aric> Someone get on that and implement it on as many sites as possible :)
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  579. # [17:12] <Aric> i remember some virus awhile back that installed Linux on peoples machine and set it to the default boot device... I'll have to look that up.. was a fun "virus"
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  599. # [17:45] <phrearch> hey
  600. # [17:49] <paul_irish> hay
  601. # [17:52] <phrearch> hi paul_irish
  602. # [17:52] <pootietang> sup peeps?
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  604. # [17:53] <phrearch> trying to benchmark my websocket handler by counting the max amount of requests the server can handle per second
  605. # [17:53] <phrearch> im not sure what a decent number of requests/second is. got to 600-700/sec on my local machine
  606. # [17:54] <phrearch> wondering if someone else already made some of those benchmarks using node.js or python/twisted
  607. # [17:54] <phrearch> http://hwios.org/my_mod/ , if someone is interested to try
  608. # [17:55] <phrearch> thats on a cheapass vps though, so its much slower
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  610. # [17:56] <phrearch> ow, and how about that websocket protocol? any implementations yet that work with this hybi10 thing?
  611. # [17:59] <phrearch> also i would like to have some feedback on this websocket cms thing im writing. feels a bit like ive been coding under a rock for the last two years
  612. # [17:59] <phrearch> https://github.com/phrearch/hwios
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  614. # [18:00] <phrearch> pubtime :p
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  629. # [18:16] <Wilto> I can’t believe I’m about to ask this, but: does anyone have a favorite ultra-simple Flash player they use for their fallback video?
  630. # [18:16] <Wilto> I can’t find one that isn’t all “BLUH BLUHH SHARE ON FACEBOOK CLICK HERE 4 EMBED CODES.”
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  632. # [18:17] <nimbu> is that not flow player?
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  635. # [18:17] <Wilto> “Flow player,” you say
  636. # [18:17] <nimbu> ?g flowplayer flash @ wilto
  637. # [18:17] <bot-t> wilto, Flowplayer - Flash Video Player for the Web - http://flowplayer.org/
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  641. # [18:18] <Wilto> Oh ho.
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  643. # [18:19] <nimbu> oh wait
  644. # [18:19] <nimbu> why does it look like this now.
  645. # [18:19] <Wilto> Looks kinda heavy.
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  647. # [18:19] <nimbu> yeah it looks gross
  648. # [18:20] <nimbu> or just steam from http://videojs.com/embed-builder/
  649. # [18:21] <paul_irish> retlehs: https://twitter.com/#!/theflyingbrush/status/102050074770685956 i asked him to file a ticktt
  650. # [18:21] <socialhapy> http://bit.ly/q6w7PE @theflyingbrush: My entry for most-boring tweet award: Spent several hours finding out that respond.js breaks #Modernizr in IE7/8 using the Roots WP theme.
  651. # [18:21] <nimbu> wutttt
  652. # [18:21] <Wilto> Only with a certain theme? Nonsense.
  653. # [18:24] <retlehs> interesting
  654. # [18:24] <retlehs> thanks
  655. # [18:24] <paul_irish> retlehs: though i have no idea whose fault it is
  656. # [18:24] <paul_irish> probably definitely not yours
  657. # [18:25] <retlehs> gonna load up virtualbox right now, he might not also be using the latest version
  658. # [18:26] <Wilto> I’m fairly certain there were some recent changes to one/the other/both, for the sake of making them play nice.
  659. # [18:27] <retlehs> yeah h5bp recently dropped in modernizr+respond combined
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  662. # [18:31] <retlehs> http://dev.rootstheme.com/ i added in some of the respond.js test css and it's working fine in ie8/ie7
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  678. # [18:59] <paul_irish> retlehs: hahah thx for replying to my tweet were i clearly fucked up yr name
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  680. # [19:01] <retlehs> :) twitter needs to drop inactive usernames already so i can change mine
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  682. # [19:04] <paul_irish> yeah i always wanted that from AIM too
  683. # [19:04] <paul_irish> never got it :(
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  695. # [19:22] <gnarf> yeah, whoever this guy is has pissed me off since twitter began: http://twitter.com/#!/gnarf
  696. # [19:22] <socialhapy> Twitter says there's no such user. Don't blame me. :|
  697. # [19:22] <gnarf> :)
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  700. # [19:23] <tw2113> twitter says to mea that it's some guy named Justin Time
  701. # [19:24] <tw2113> me*
  702. # [19:26] <gnarf> he's never tweeted
  703. # [19:26] <gnarf> and he stole my username
  704. # [19:26] <gnarf> fucker
  705. # [19:27] <retlehs> i want either @benword or @bword, both of them are fuckers as well
  706. # [19:28] <retlehs> twitter has said for years that they're working on allowing a way for people to request inactive usernames but i don't see it happening soon
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  713. # [19:35] <hober> retlehs: the way to do it is to ask someone you know at twitter
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  717. # [19:38] <retlehs> yeah that'd be ideal, i don't know anyone that works there unfortunately
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  731. # [19:59] <RLa> how comes there is no easy way to empty/clear table using dom?
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  735. # [20:02] <tbranyen> RLa: table.innerHTML = ""
  736. # [20:02] <tbranyen> done
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  738. # [20:03] <RLa> why then use dom at all?
  739. # [20:03] <RLa> when it's more-less useless
  740. # [20:03] <tbranyen> you mean DOM API
  741. # [20:03] <tbranyen> just remove all TR children in a loop
  742. # [20:03] <RLa> yes
  743. # [20:03] <tbranyen> thats p dang easy
  744. # [20:04] <tbranyen> ths
  745. # [20:04] <RLa> oh really?
  746. # [20:04] <tbranyen> whatever you have, just remove all the children
  747. # [20:04] <RLa> what if i have tbody, and multiple ones?
  748. # [20:04] <tbranyen> yeah just empty all the children in a loo
  749. # [20:04] <tbranyen> i don't mean specifically seek them out
  750. # [20:04] <tbranyen> thats just what you'll be removing
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  752. # [20:05] <tbranyen> (for i in table.childNodes) table.removeChild(i);
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  755. # [20:05] <tbranyen> er without the syntax errors
  756. # [20:05] <RLa> hm
  757. # [20:05] <Ms2ger> Well, while (el.firstChild) { el.removeChild(el.firstChild) }
  758. # [20:05] <tbranyen> to prevent dom leaks?
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  760. # [20:06] <Ms2ger> Because there is no removeChild(index) function
  761. # [20:06] <tbranyen> thats not an index
  762. # [20:06] <tbranyen> oh good call
  763. # [20:06] <tbranyen> i see what you mean
  764. # [20:07] <RLa> dom leak?
  765. # [20:07] <RLa> what is that and how can it appear?
  766. # [20:08] <RLa> btw, is 'rows' a property of table?
  767. # [20:09] <Ms2ger> Yes
  768. # [20:10] <RLa> nice, i will just go and remove all rows in a loop
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  770. # [20:11] <Ms2ger> It's probably live, so for (var i = 0; i < row.length; ++i) { table.removeChild(rows[i]) } will skip half of the rows
  771. # [20:12] <RLa> "live"?
  772. # [20:12] <Ms2ger> It changes as you edit the underlying DOM
  773. # [20:13] <RLa> hm, anyway, i will use deleteRow
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  775. # [20:13] <RLa> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM/table.deleteRow
  776. # [20:13] <RLa> btw, how safe is to use mozilla's dom reference?
  777. # [20:13] <Ms2ger> It's very good, IMO
  778. # [20:13] <Ms2ger> (I'm also a Mozilla dev ;))
  779. # [20:14] <jetienne> Ms2ger: firefox will enable last websocket spec by default ?
  780. # [20:14] <jetienne> i mean without needing user to enable it
  781. # [20:14] <Ms2ger> Probably
  782. # [20:14] <jetienne> ok
  783. # [20:14] <Ms2ger> I've given up on websockets a long time ago
  784. # [20:14] <Ms2ger> So I don't follow it
  785. # [20:15] <jetienne> Ms2ger: if you see the definitive answer, im interested
  786. # [20:15] <Emperorlou> why all the ws hate?
  787. # [20:15] <Ms2ger> jetienne, which version is this? 10?
  788. # [20:16] <jetienne> Ms2ger: let find the link
  789. # [20:16] <jetienne> http://blog.chromium.org/2011/08/new-websocket-protocol-secure-and.html chrome post about
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  791. # [20:17] <jetienne> Ms2ger: the version name is HyBi 10
  792. # [20:17] <jetienne> fancy name :)
  793. # [20:21] <Ms2ger> I don't see a bug right now
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  797. # [20:30] <paul_irish> jetienne: they will for 8 i hear
  798. # [20:30] <paul_irish> 7 rather
  799. # [20:30] <paul_irish> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebSocket#Browser_support
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  806. # [20:38] <jetienne> nice! i would love websocket more used
  807. # [20:40] <Sembiance> jetienne: socket.io :)
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  828. # [21:14] <paul_irish> http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/next
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  834. # [21:22] <timmywil> i like a couple of those suggestions. i don't like most of them.
  835. # [21:23] <Ms2ger> Do any have use cases?
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  842. # [21:43] <RLa> hm, there is convention of writing javascript comments?
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  874. # [22:56] <xonecas> o/
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  876. # [22:56] <xonecas> is there anyone here from disqus?
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  880. # [23:08] <RLa> if i set event handler, then the handler function's 'this' will refer to event caller?
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  884. # [23:08] <paul_irish> xonecas: two of them hang here usually
  885. # [23:08] <paul_irish> i see one of them now
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  888. # [23:11] <xonecas> paul_irish: I talked to anton as he had to leave, so I just sent him an email :-), thank you anyways!
  889. # [23:11] <paul_irish> k
  890. # [23:12] <xonecas> RLa: are you using any libraries to normalize the event object accross browsers?!
  891. # [23:12] <RLa> no
  892. # [23:12] <xonecas> if so, whithin the handler this will be the same as event.target
  893. # [23:13] <xonecas> (this might be specific to jQuery)
  894. # [23:13] <RLa> i have rather specific problem, but not related to jQuery, just plain javascript
  895. # [23:13] <xonecas> RLa: have you tryed to console.log the this to see its value?
  896. # [23:14] <RLa> sec, i already asked in #javascript some time ago
  897. # [23:15] <RLa> MyClass.prototype.f = function() {}; MyClass.prototype.g = function() { Something.onload = function() { "call f" }; }; <- how to refer to function f inside function h?
  898. # [23:16] <RLa> i cannot use 'this' in the callback
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  901. # [23:16] <RLa> since it refers to something's context
  902. # [23:17] <xonecas> You can us .bind, but you'll need a shim for older browsers
  903. # [23:17] <RLa> in java you have similar problem with anonymous inner classes, but you can refer to outer instance using OuterClassName.this
  904. # [23:18] <xonecas> right, you can do the same InstanceOfMyClass.f() --> this = InstanceOfMyClass
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  907. # [23:18] <RLa> i tried to use MyClass.prototype.f() but it seems to refer to something else than original instance
  908. # [23:18] <xonecas> Something.onload = function () { InstanceOfMyClass.f() }
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  910. # [23:19] <xonecas> Are you creating a instance class or static?
  911. # [23:20] <RLa> hm, i instance class?
  912. # [23:20] <xonecas> then instead of calling it using MyClass.prototype.f() you should use the instatiated object's f function, not the prototypes
  913. # [23:22] <RLa> hm, i have no idea about that, sec, i try to paste some code
  914. # [23:22] <xonecas> use jsfiddle to show what you're doing
  915. # [23:23] <RLa> http://pastebin.com/D7VqhZHK
  916. # [23:24] <RLa> hm, it's plain old javascript, no libraries or anything
  917. # [23:24] <RLa> lines 25 and 30 are problematic
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  923. # [23:26] <xonecas> within the search method you can create a variable referencing this, eg: var that = this;
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  926. # [23:27] <xonecas> then within the onload function you can call the addEntry within the right context with that.addEntry(...);
  927. # [23:27] <RLa> hm, thought there was another way
  928. # [23:28] <RLa> anyway, thanks, seems like it's the only solution
  929. # [23:28] <xonecas> That is how I normaly do it, if there is a better way, I would like to know :-)
  930. # [23:30] <RLa> also, i got eclipse javascript support working, came out i had to enable it manually for the project
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  932. # [23:31] <RLa> anyway, it asks me to place lot of semicolons
  933. # [23:31] <xonecas> check your javascript code with JSHint
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  936. # [23:37] <RLa> hm it outputs lot of errors
  937. # [23:37] <xonecas> Better start fixing :-)
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  941. # [23:41] <RLa> ok, two errors are left
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  943. # [23:41] <RLa> "Use the function form of "use strict"." <- doesn't function form prevent me accessing my classes outside the script?
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  945. # [23:43] <RLa> http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2010/12/14/strict-mode-is-coming-to-town/
  946. # [23:43] <RLa> so basically i need to wrap my script around large anonymous function?
  947. # [23:43] <xonecas> pretty much yeah
  948. # [23:43] <RLa> inside*
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  950. # [23:44] <xonecas> it's a good practice, if you look at the source code for most popular 3rd party js code, you'll see that they all do it
  951. # [23:44] <xonecas> (function (window, undefined) { ...you script here... }) (window);
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  954. # [23:48] <RLa> hm, my script parts on the .html cannot anymore accept classes from the script file
  955. # [23:49] <RLa> if i do not use any 3rd party libs and do not write a lib, i think it should be safe to leave out the function wrapper
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  957. # [23:49] <xonecas> use a global common namespace
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  959. # [23:50] <RLa> hm, how would i assign my class to it?
  960. # [23:51] <xonecas> Just like you would normally
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  963. # [23:53] <xonecas> you should probably google around a little bit about how to use namespaces and good practices around javascript
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  965. # [23:53] <xonecas> it will answer these questions
  966. # [23:54] <xonecas> http://na.isobar.com/standards/ this is a good place to start
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