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  1. # Session Start: Tue Aug 23 00:00:00 2011
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  22. # [00:17] <andrewjbaker__> Quick question... anyone considered using Lua to replicate client and server-side logic for use in games?
  23. # [00:19] <CoverSlide> a lua interpreter for javascript?
  24. # [00:19] <andrewjbaker__> Yeah.
  25. # [00:19] <CoverSlide> ... why?
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  27. # [00:20] <andrewjbaker__> And the same for whichever server-side language you happen to be using.
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  30. # [00:21] <andrewjbaker__> I find myself writing similar code for both client and server for FF.
  31. # [00:21] <andrewjbaker__> To handle player movement, etc.
  32. # [00:21] <andrewjbaker__> Would be nice if I could just write it once in something like Lua, and execute it in both locations.
  33. # [00:21] <monteslu> andrewjbaker__, you not using node on the server?
  34. # [00:21] <andrewjbaker__> PHP.
  35. # [00:22] <monteslu> ahh
  36. # [00:22] <monteslu> time to make the switch :)
  37. # [00:22] <andrewjbaker__> LOL.
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  39. # [00:23] <monteslu> the only popular scripting i've seen on both besides javascript is coffee
  40. # [00:23] <andrewjbaker__> One of the main things I've tried to stick to is ensuring that Steppe and FF are 'portable' to other platforms.
  41. # [00:23] <monteslu> or, java if you're doing gwt
  42. # [00:24] <monteslu> I'm currently in gwt hell
  43. # [00:24] <andrewjbaker__> That's why my landscape renderer is HTML5 2D canvas and not WebGL.
  44. # [00:24] <monteslu> man its confusing jumping back and forth from server to client codein the same codebase
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  47. # [00:26] <andrewjbaker__> I already wrote a PHP proof-of-concept of Steppe... so I know it can be ported to PHP. Server-side landscape rendering anyone? LOL. No, I thought not. :-p
  48. # [00:27] <andrewjbaker__> It's like the ultimate fallback.
  49. # [00:28] <andrewjbaker__> What's that? No canvas support? Or tired of shims and additional JS libraries? Render server-side and send down frames as .pngs.
  50. # [00:28] <andrewjbaker__> Of course, the overhead is crazy.
  51. # [00:28] <andrewjbaker__> So no good for real-time games.
  52. # [00:29] * ksemeks_ is now known as ksemeks
  53. # [00:29] <andrewjbaker__> But SWIG still looks promising. Write the server-side renderer in C++ and compile extensions for common server-side languages.
  54. # [00:29] <andrewjbaker__> And maybe use that same source to port Steppe to NaCl.
  55. # [00:32] <andrewjbaker__> And then I can imagine seeing HTML like <canvas style="height: 400px; width: 640px" height="400" width="640"><img src="/render.php" /></canvas>
  56. # [00:32] <andrewjbaker__> So it falls back to server-side rendering if the <canvas> element isn't supported.
  57. # [00:33] <andrewjbaker__> Plenty of possibilities.
  58. # [00:33] <monteslu> inverse frames per sec numbers :)
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  60. # [00:34] <andrewjbaker__> Yeah, like I said, not so great for real-time.
  61. # [00:34] <monteslu> very cool though
  62. # [00:34] <andrewjbaker__> But FF's movement should be OK.
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  65. # [00:35] <andrewjbaker__> Best way would probably be an on-the-fly video encoder... but then we're really talking huge requirements for server-side processing.
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  172. # [03:27] <thatryan> thanks
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  174. # [03:30] <tw2113> yo miketaylr
  175. # [03:31] <miketaylr> hey dude
  176. # [03:31] <miketaylr> what's going on?
  177. # [03:32] <tw2113> procrastination by browsing amazon free mp3s, and X-Files
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  186. # [03:54] <tw2113> miketaylr put down the shiny
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  191. # [03:58] <acidjazz> any1 here good w/ paperjs? trying to figure out an easy way to increase the radius of a filled circle path
  192. # [03:58] <tw2113> sounds like math
  193. # [03:58] <tw2113> *runs away from the maths*
  194. # [03:59] <tw2113> i have to go take care of some things anyway
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  210. # [04:23] <acidjazz> nm got it
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  227. # [05:00] <paul_irish> http://t.co/VnGy3Kd
  228. # [05:00] <paul_irish> http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/tangled/ rather
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  287. # [08:45] <dpogue> Are there any browsers that actually support and properly use the sizes attribute of a rel="icon" link?
  288. # [08:46] <simenbrekken> iOS
  289. # [08:47] <simenbrekken> for specifying which icon is for retina and normal res
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  304. # [09:07] <paul_irish> ?g mathias icons @ dpogue
  305. # [09:07] <bot-t> dpogue, rel="shortcut icon" considered harmful · Mathias poopin Bynens - http://mathiasbynens.be/notes/rel-shortcut-icon
  306. # [09:07] <paul_irish> lolololol matjas
  307. # [09:07] <matjas> FFFFFUUUUU
  308. # [09:07] <paul_irish> :D
  309. # [09:07] * matjas shakes fist at krijn
  310. # [09:08] <nimbu> did you do it first matjas?
  311. # [09:08] <matjas> nimbu: yeah, i changed his full twitter name to krijn poopin’ hoetmer
  312. # [09:08] <nimbu> errr then clearly you had it coming :)
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  314. # [09:08] <matjas> he uses echofon which only shows the account names, so he didn’t notice for 3 days
  315. # [09:09] <matjas> nimbu: i don’t know, considering http://poopinrules.com/
  316. # [09:09] <nimbu> umm NO
  317. # [09:09] <krijn> You changed the rules man!
  318. # [09:09] <nimbu> ?nimbuslap matjas
  319. # [09:09] <bot-t> ( - -)／☆(*_*) ← matjas
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  322. # [09:10] <paul_irish> yeah that seems like fair retribution.
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  324. # [09:13] <matjas> poop injection is the new sql injection
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  334. # [09:33] <dbugger> Hello guys. Im working with the History API and I have a couple question.
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  336. # [09:34] <dbugger> first, I have implemented all right with my ajax calls and the back button works all right, but if I come from, lets say "google.coM", the back button wont allow me to go there. How can I avoid these effect?
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  456. # [17:50] <tra> working on a slotmachine with html5 and started adding some sound effects and noticed that audio's don't play consistently. for example some times when rolling stops i might hear only once the sound and it should be played three times. i know this is an issue pretty much on every browser, but anyone have some sort of a workaround for this?
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  458. # [17:51] <RLa> how is audio played in the back, in separate thread?
  459. # [17:51] <RLa> if not i can think that other browser events might disturb playback
  460. # [17:52] <tra> js triggers a single audio element when a vertical row is stopped. no background music, just the effects when a "reel" stops
  461. # [17:52] <tra> some times it plays three times and sometimes just once or twice
  462. # [17:53] <RLa> weird
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  465. # [17:57] <tra> console.log() logs the events ok, but sometimes the sound is not played. pretty weird.
  466. # [17:58] <tra> RLa: maybe something related to this i guess? http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=73453
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  484. # [18:20] <chrisdev> Anyone have any HTML5 game development tools they can recommend? I'm working on my first.
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  495. # [18:29] <BrianBlakely> chrisdev: This is a <canvas> game engine. Looks like the most legitimate of its kind - http://impactjs.com/
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  500. # [18:32] <sic1> dang that does look pretty sweet
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  502. # [18:33] <BrianBlakely> One day, everything you want to do on the web will be in a library. Creating an entire enterprise will be as simple as including 47 JS libraries and calling _('html').attr({ site: 'really great' });
  503. # [18:33] <BrianBlakely> enterprise site*
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  611. # [20:08] <BrianBlakely> Heh
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  613. # [20:08] <BrianBlakely> Earthquake in NYC
  614. # [20:08] <BrianBlakely> Very, very tiny
  615. # [20:08] <BrianBlakely> But the phone lines are jammed
  616. # [20:08] <BrianBlakely> Now I know what it's like when it snows in LA
  617. # [20:08] <Thasmo> Also in Boston? Is that far away from NYC?
  618. # [20:09] <jreading> here in VA, defaintely felt that 5.8
  619. # [20:09] <moo-_-> BrianBlakely: but that's wrong coast!
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  622. # [20:10] <BrianBlakely> Thasmo: It's about a 4hr drive from NYC. I have no idea what happened there, though.
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  624. # [20:21] <sandprickle> i'm trying to build a mobile-first site
  625. # [20:22] <sandprickle> but all the cases to design/develop for gets intimidating, me being rather noobish
  626. # [20:25] <sandprickle> esp iPhone 4 vs older iPhones; don't want things too small on the hi-res screen
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  630. # [20:30] <shepazu> hello, folks… does anyone know if some nifty new CSS feature would allow me to place an icon over an <img> element, without adding the icon via another <img>?
  631. # [20:31] <RLa> shepazu, http://www.w3schools.com/cssref/sel_before.asp
  632. # [20:31] <sandprickle> haven't heard of anything like that... don't think
  633. # [20:31] <sandprickle> http://w3fools.com/
  634. # [20:32] <RLa> it might not work with arbitrary code tho
  635. # [20:32] <RLa> better use javascript and dom to insert those icons
  636. # [20:32] <shepazu> I'm thinking something that takes a @background-image and moves it up in the z-index
  637. # [20:33] <sandprickle> shepazu: seems to me you'd still have to have a separate element
  638. # [20:34] <moo-_-> shepazu: separate element needed, unless to the whole image using <div>
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  640. # [20:34] <moo-_-> have background-image and border-image
  641. # [20:34] <moo-_-> and the border-image is the icon
  642. # [20:34] <moo-_-> or something along the lines
  643. # [20:34] <sandprickle> but img is more semantic no?
  644. # [20:35] <RLa> or use canvas and paint those in correct order
  645. # [20:35] <shepazu> "Whenever I hear of semantics... I release the safety catch of my Browning!"
  646. # [20:37] <shepazu> http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/png_overlay_with_no_extra_markup.asp is interesting, but too hacky
  647. # [20:38] <shepazu> ok, guess there's no way to do it with CSS alone
  648. # [20:38] <shepazu> thanks
  649. # [20:40] <nimbu> shepazu: no there is no way :(
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  658. # [20:57] <tantek> anyone here in SF?
  659. # [20:58] <paul_irish> mountainview :/
  660. # [20:58] <paul_irish> benv: is in SF
  661. # [20:59] <benv> woozle wazzle
  662. # [20:59] * tantek has organized a semantic markup microformats/microdata/etc. meet up for tonight at Gordon Biersch, 2 Harrison st., 7pm: http://plancast.com/p/70aa
  663. # [21:00] <benv> oh god
  664. # [21:00] <benv> :)
  665. # [21:00] <paul_irish> sweet
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