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  32. # [00:46] <gfxdreams> anyone know how to get an invite to " java"
  33. # [00:47] <CoverSlide> \/join #java ??
  34. # [00:48] <tw2113> i just got in
  35. # [00:49] <tw2113> gfxdreams do you have your name registered with nickserv?
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  63. # [01:26] <monteslu> Single file html site proposal: http://goo.gl/D1ksv
  64. # [01:26] <monteslu> TL;DR; version. zip file of index and resources that browsers read
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  73. # [01:43] <monteslu> ok, the less url shortnerish version: https://plus.google.com/103067286453763274834/posts/b6MujF2FiPv
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  75. # [01:47] <Lebannen> monteslu: that would also be a great alternative/improvement to manifests; same atomic download/swap, easier due to single file, and avoids content rewriting by mobile proxies etc :)
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  79. # [01:48] <monteslu> Lebannen, exactly! I didn't realize the need for it until i started using html5 for presentations. But I think it can work for games and stuff too
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  81. # [01:49] <monteslu> I say default to looking for index.html, but optionally allow a manifest.json to describe stuff
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  333. # [12:42] <tawhid111> hi all
  334. # [12:42] <tawhid111> anyone in here
  335. # [12:44] <tawhid111> could someone help me with some basic html
  336. # [12:47] <Ms2ger> Only if you tell us what your problem is
  337. # [12:50] <tawhid111> oh i want to discuss something
  338. # [12:51] <tawhid111> which im unsure off
  339. # [12:51] <tawhid111> my prof had given me a excersive
  340. # [12:51] <tawhid111> excercise
  341. # [12:51] <tawhid111> i have to create a simple website of 3 page
  342. # [12:52] <tawhid111> using frame tables and inline sheet
  343. # [12:52] <tawhid111> and form tag
  344. # [12:52] <tawhid111> so i made a 2 page with <frame> tag added inline sheet within 2 html page ..
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  346. # [12:53] <RLa> wow, what place is that where they tech you to use frames?
  347. # [12:53] <tawhid111> athabasca
  348. # [12:53] <tawhid111> university
  349. # [12:53] <tawhid111> :|
  350. # [12:53] <tawhid111> :(
  351. # [12:53] <tawhid111> even the book doesnt have all these stuffs
  352. # [12:54] <tawhid111> so im like really stuck
  353. # [12:54] <tawhid111> i think im doing it right i was wondering if someone could have a look at my work so far
  354. # [12:55] <RLa> also i think frames are deprecated/removed in html5 anyway
  355. # [12:55] <tawhid111> yeah
  356. # [12:55] <tawhid111> the book i have is
  357. # [12:55] <tawhid111> New perspectives on JavaScript: comprehensive
  358. # [12:55] <RLa> use some old, non-html5 book
  359. # [12:55] <tawhid111> By Patrick Carey, Frank Canovatchel
  360. # [12:55] <tawhid111> i cant since the exams on this book
  361. # [12:55] <tawhid111> but his shtty assignments
  362. # [12:56] <RLa> frames were considered bad practice already 10 years ago
  363. # [12:56] <tawhid111> are outdated
  364. # [12:56] <tawhid111> and i have like no time
  365. # [12:56] <tawhid111> i need to figure out a way to finish this or else its sink or swim for me
  366. # [12:56] <tawhid111> :|
  367. # [12:57] <tawhid111> so could someone have a look at my html pages
  368. # [12:57] <tawhid111> :S
  369. # [12:58] <tawhid111> i wish i could move on with this thing
  370. # [12:58] <RLa> you could ask in #web, maybe someone is still using frames there
  371. # [12:59] <tawhid111> no i got the codes n stuffs
  372. # [12:59] <tawhid111> i have it set up
  373. # [12:59] <tawhid111> i just need someone to check it
  374. # [12:59] <RLa> hm, and that javascript book does not have best reviews i see, any chance the author is your teacher?
  375. # [13:00] <RLa> if you need someone to check it, upload files somewhere or paste them into pastebin
  376. # [13:01] <RLa> anyway, for practical work, do not consider web books older than from 2009 much usable
  377. # [13:02] <RLa> lot of things have been changed, mobile clients, html5 etc.
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  379. # [13:04] <tawhid111> ok i just uploaded
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  381. # [13:05] <tawhid111> so who could someone help me out
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  400. # [14:03] <jn> anyone know if you should use requestAnimationFrame to request the next frame before or after doing your drawing?
  401. # [14:04] <jn> seems that if you do it after the fps will suffer since next frame will be in drawing time + 16ms
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  513. # [17:07] <daleharvey> whats the best way to make html slides?
  514. # [17:07] <daleharvey> deck.js is kinda buggy
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  518. # [17:10] <miketaylr> daleharvey: this is my current fave https://github.com/pepelsbey/shower
  519. # [17:11] <miketaylr> i used it for a talk i just gave http://miketaylr.com/pres/bkjs/
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  528. # [17:17] <monteslu> daleharvey, this ain't bad either http://code.google.com/p/html5slides/
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  538. # [17:37] <daleharvey> sweet thanks
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  544. # [17:46] <daleharvey> ok the html5slides ones are perfect
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  580. # [18:40] <BrianBlakely> Absolutely-positioned elements are disappearing inside of a TH in Firefox only
  581. # [18:40] <BrianBlakely> Anyone have some helpful thoughts?
  582. # [18:40] <BrianBlakely> Or even unhelpful?
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  587. # [18:55] <moo-_-> BrianBlakely: don't do it? :)
  588. # [18:55] <moo-_-> sounds like a bug
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  618. # [19:40] <Ms2ger> BrianBlakely, file a bug if there isn't one yet?
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  625. # [19:55] <Jon47> BrianBlakely, can we see your code?
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  636. # [20:18] <BrianBlakely> Ms2ger: Will do
  637. # [20:18] <Ms2ger> Thanks
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  651. # [20:37] <BrianBlakely> Jon47: Fiddle: http://jsfiddle.net/brianblakely/m69aC/
  652. # [20:37] <BrianBlakely> The issue, as it were, is that FF is not recognizing <table> or its children as valid offset parents
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  658. # [20:49] <BrianBlakely> Ms2ger: Bug! https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682046
  659. # [20:50] <Ms2ger> Thanks
  660. # [20:50] <Ms2ger> Btw, for bugs in web tech, you almost always want to file in the Core product
  661. # [20:51] <BrianBlakely> :o sorry..
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  663. # [20:51] <Ms2ger> Don't worry
  664. # [20:52] <Ms2ger> It'll usually end up there, but the Core components tend to be much more closely watched than Firefox::General
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  720. # [21:58] <paul_irish> matjas:
  721. # [21:58] <matjas> paul_irish:
  722. # [21:58] <paul_irish> i prefer a[download] over a@download
  723. # [21:58] <paul_irish> a lot
  724. # [21:58] <matjas> so CSSish
  725. # [21:58] <matjas> you don’t think it’s confusing?
  726. # [21:58] <paul_irish> querySelectorAll has nothing to do with cascading styles #justsayin
  727. # [21:59] <paul_irish> see also http://simonstl.com/articles/cssFragID.html
  728. # [21:59] <matjas> except it uses the same selector syntax :)
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  731. # [22:00] <matjas> the thing is by using foo@bar over foo[bar] or <foo bar> it’s obvious you’re not talking about the CSS/qSA selector orrr the actual HTML code
  732. # [22:00] <matjas> but rather the specific attribute on a specific element
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  735. # [22:03] <matjas> paul_irish: right? RIGHT??
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  763. # [22:07] <Dravekx> Ho
  764. # [22:07] <Dravekx> Hi
  765. # [22:08] <paul_irish> back
  766. # [22:08] <paul_irish> umm
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  768. # [22:08] <Dravekx> html5 markup: how does this look? http://pastie.org/2429623
  769. # [22:08] <Dravekx> right or wrong?
  770. # [22:08] <moo-_-> Dravekx: html5 validator will tell you
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  772. # [22:09] <moo-_-> their capable of validating surpasses all human beings
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  776. # [22:09] <Dravekx> moo-_- validator doesnt tell you the correct usage of section and article.
  777. # [22:09] <Dravekx> i dont even know if that is politically correct.
  778. # [22:11] <paul_irish> w/e
  779. # [22:12] <BrianBlakely> Dravekx: I would personally not use the <div> wrappers
  780. # [22:12] <BrianBlakely> And try to either use something more semantic, or omit them if at all possible
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  782. # [22:13] <BrianBlakely> The <div>s for Product, Pricing etc are likely substitutable for … something
  783. # [22:13] <BrianBlakely> Same for events
  784. # [22:14] <Dravekx> BrianBlakely that's what i'm trying to figure out. :S
  785. # [22:14] <BrianBlakely> Dravekx: I don't know your content, but <ol>, <ul>, and <dl> make up a good amount of my code
  786. # [22:14] <BrianBlakely> Dravekx: Also realize that you can nest <section>s
  787. # [22:15] <Dravekx> BrianBlakely i thought about that, but would it be semantically correct to add div blocks with articles inside an unordered list?
  788. # [22:15] <Dravekx> basically, each div is like a post-it.
  789. # [22:18] <BrianBlakely> Dravekx: It's difficult for me to visualize, but I'd say do away with #wrap, and place Products, Pricing, etc into their own <section>s, with the headings as <h2>s
  790. # [22:18] <Dravekx> BrianBlakely http://i.imgur.com/GUwwG.png
  791. # [22:18] <Dravekx> like that.
  792. # [22:18] <BrianBlakely> Ms2ger: Holy crepe, this table bug has been around since 2000
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  796. # [22:18] <BrianBlakely> Dravekx: What is "Price" - a link, or the price of a product on the page?
  797. # [22:19] <Dravekx> BrianBlakely a list of prices. it will be in that block.
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  799. # [22:19] <Ms2ger> BrianBlakely, sounds like it's a hard one to fix, then :)
  800. # [22:21] <BrianBlakely> Dravekx: Oh, then <section id="pricing"><h2>Pricing</h2><ul><li>Price 1</li><li>Price 2</li><li>Price 3</li></ul></section>
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  802. # [22:21] <Dravekx> ahhh
  803. # [22:21] <BrianBlakely> Dravekx: Unless your list looks like "Product: Price, Product: Price"
  804. # [22:21] <BrianBlakely> Then use a <dl> instead of a <ul>
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  806. # [22:22] <BrianBlakely> And <dt><dd> instead of <li>
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  810. # [22:22] <Dravekx> BrianBlakely ul would be fine. So nesting sectionsis ok? Someone really needs a site that shows html5 advanced markup examples. lol
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  812. # [22:22] <BrianBlakely> Dravekx: Nesting is totally fine
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  814. # [22:24] <Dravekx> BrianBlakely if i make a section for each div, though... that's a little bit overkill, isnt it? :S
  815. # [22:27] <BrianBlakely> Dravekx: Don't put the markup on a pedestal, bro ;)
  816. # [22:27] <BrianBlakely> Dravekx: If it makes logical sense, then go for it
  817. # [22:27] <Dravekx> ok :)
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  828. # [22:39] <tw2113> http://www.reddit.com/r/web_design/comments/ju9fb/installing_modernizer/
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  830. # [22:39] <tw2113> an instance of mistaking modernizr for enabling ability for some things in old ID
  831. # [22:39] <tw2113> IE*
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