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  1. # Session Start: Fri Aug 26 00:00:00 2011
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  17. # [00:26] <paul_irish> so it appears
  18. # [00:26] <paul_irish> @defer has a serious serious bug in ie6-9
  19. # [00:26] <paul_irish> :(((((
  20. # [00:27] <tw2113> the sky is blue too
  21. # [00:27] <tw2113> just saying :)
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  26. # [00:29] <paul_irish> ?slap tw2113
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  35. # [00:52] <moo-_-> can I CSS position two <img> elements over each other in the same <div> container http://jsfiddle.net/2eNPU/
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  37. # [00:52] <moo-_-> image dimensions unknown
  38. # [00:52] <tw2113> i would assume so
  39. # [00:52] <paul_irish> pos:abs both
  40. # [00:52] <tw2113> position absolute and different z-indexes
  41. # [00:52] <moo-_-> both should be top: 0 left: 0 inside the container
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  43. # [00:53] <moo-_-> pos: abs is page relative
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  46. # [00:54] <tw2113> put a position relative on the container and it'll be container relative
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  48. # [00:55] * moo-_- learns
  49. # [00:55] * moo-_- success
  50. # [00:55] <tw2113> profit?
  51. # [00:56] <CoverSlide> great success!
  52. # [00:56] <moo-_-> CoverSlide: or not
  53. # [00:56] <moo-_-> now I lose the trailing text:
  54. # [00:56] <moo-_-> http://jsfiddle.net/2eNPU/1/
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  57. # [01:00] <tw2113> change your P's to relative position
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  61. # [01:05] <moo-_-> tw2113: http://jsfiddle.net/2eNPU/6/ still no dice
  62. # [01:05] <tw2113> it's above the images, not sure what you wanted beyond that though :D
  63. # [01:06] <moo-_-> below :)
  64. # [01:06] <tw2113> opera has it above
  65. # [01:06] <moo-_-> yes, I want it below :)
  66. # [01:07] <moo-_-> I don't want to interrupt normal page flow
  67. # [01:07] <moo-_-> I just want two overlapping images so I can xfade them
  68. # [01:07] <tw2113> then don't add anything, i was seeing it below before
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  76. # [01:20] <moo-_-> I'll settle up with this http://jsfiddle.net/2eNPU/9/
  77. # [01:20] <moo-_-> not exactly what I wanted but does the trick
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  85. # [01:42] <paul_irish> .tweet plhw3org
  86. # [01:42] <socialhapy> ★ Tweet from plhw3org: I'm on a plane. ★ http://bit.ly/mZ9Beg
  87. # [01:42] <paul_irish> lol
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  144. # [03:13] <tw2113> is it just me, or are startups way overhyped?
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  148. # [03:15] <danielfilho> what's wrong with US companies?
  149. # [03:15] <danielfilho> they no longer want front end developers? they want only ninjas and jedis?
  150. # [03:15] <tw2113> no, this is nothing related to dev work
  151. # [03:15] <tw2113> just all the stuff i'm always seeing related to them on HN
  152. # [03:16] <danielfilho> I'll name myself a santa claus.
  153. # [03:16] <danielfilho> hi there, i'm a front end santa claus.
  154. # [03:16] <tw2113> it's like startups are a hot trend
  155. # [03:16] <danielfilho> isn't it about pick fantasy characters?
  156. # [03:16] <danielfilho> funny.
  157. # [03:16] <danielfilho> I'm checking jobs on us. I would like to work with internet.
  158. # [03:17] <danielfilho> ppl don't seem to take internet seriously in brazil, unfortunately.
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  162. # [03:24] <danielfilho> and
  163. # [03:24] <danielfilho> for happiness
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  165. # [03:24] <danielfilho> and complete satisfaction, next month I'm going to new york, and everything seems to be falling apart there.
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  169. # [03:40] <BrianBlakely> So, danielfilho, send me your resume
  170. # [03:40] <BrianBlakely> Want to work for on frontend for a major digital agency in Manhattan?
  171. # [03:40] <BrianBlakely> 18th best media/marketing company to work for in the US
  172. # [03:41] <danielfilho> I'm looking for it on NYC and CA :)
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  224. # [05:51] <tw2113> needed to do some gist testing and he had a lot of gists
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  226. # [05:58] <niftylettuce> anyone know how to get around Google Chrome's consecutive print() bug where it only lets you call print() once?
  227. # [05:58] <niftylettuce> looks to be unresolved without solution http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=50186
  228. # [05:58] <niftylettuce> seems like a lame design flaw, especially when you auto-prompt user to print, and then have a print button in case they canceled and want to print now
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  234. # [06:04] <niftylettuce> I guess on second attempt reload page.... fail :'(
  235. # [06:04] <dancingturtle> hi - i was wondering whats the best way to go about making calls to a crossdomain api in javascript these days?
  236. # [06:04] <dancingturtle> err api as in rest service
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  271. # [07:35] <paul_irish> acidjazz: these awesome flickr pics are yours right?
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  275. # [07:44] <niftylettuce> so many bugs... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=356558
  276. # [07:45] <niftylettuce> i guess i can append timestamp cachebust-style
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  315. # [08:58] <niftylettuce> easiest way to require users to install chrome frame is with CFInstall.check() opts {} ?
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  398. # [12:59] <michelem> hello folks
  399. # [13:00] <michelem> many designers and several frameworks historically used "div"s as hooks from the markup to the CSS
  400. # [13:00] <michelem> are they supposed to be replaced with "article" in html5 ?
  401. # [13:04] <Ms2ger> No
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  403. # [13:06] <Double_Rainbow> hey hey hey
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  405. # [13:07] <Double_Rainbow> do you guys know of any javascript library
  406. # [13:07] <Double_Rainbow> i can use for html5
  407. # [13:07] <Double_Rainbow> i mean a js library that has all the features of html5 like localStorage ?
  408. # [13:08] <Ms2ger> I bet jQuery has everything you need
  409. # [13:08] <Ms2ger> And a lot of stuff you don't need
  410. # [13:08] <Double_Rainbow> Ms2ger: no, jquery has none of these
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  414. # [13:11] <sasori> yeah..not bad XD
  415. # [13:12] <Double_Rainbow> http://rezitech.github.com/stash/ < localStorage Library
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  431. # [13:53] <mokush> any of you hit the safari auto-refresh tab issue? any way around it?
  432. # [13:56] <mokush> on iOS, forgot to mention
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  438. # [14:06] <Vivid_> built this site and it's crashing IE7. Can not figure out a reason. Please take a look... http://corranraa.co.uk
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  441. # [14:19] <tomh> its most likely IE7, not you :D
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  443. # [14:24] <adrinux> Vivid_: which bit crashes IE7? or have you fixed it?
  444. # [14:24] <adrinux> oh bio
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  448. # [14:29] <adrinux> Vivid_: I disabled all scripts with IE dev toolbar and it loads ok, so it looks like you js is the problem - you'll need to disable some of the scripts, test, enable a couple test etc, until you figure out which one causes the issue
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  450. # [14:30] <Vivid_> adrinux: thank you. did you get it to crash before disabling?
  451. # [14:31] <adrinux> oh yes
  452. # [14:31] <adrinux> nasty :(
  453. # [14:31] <Vivid_> :0
  454. # [14:32] <adrinux> and re-enable script, reload. *crash*.
  455. # [14:32] <Vivid_> ok, have something to go on there, I will try disabling and see how I get on, hard to test though on Mac, I have a virtual boc but it's IE 8 on there.
  456. # [14:34] <adrinux> yeah, you need another virtualbox vm with IE7 :)
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  632. # [17:52] <helpcrypto> hi
  633. # [17:52] <helpcrypto> i plan to make a simple web which will shared with friends and family over the Internet
  634. # [17:52] <helpcrypto> i want to have "one account" for them
  635. # [17:52] <helpcrypto> which is the best way of doing it: .htaccess or form+captcha? (best=better against bruteforce and any attack)
  636. # [17:53] <Moo^_^> helpcrypto: .htaccess is the most simple way
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  638. # [17:54] <helpcrypto> sure...but can this be easily attacked? (at least, easier than a form+captcha)
  639. # [17:54] <Moo^_^> no
  640. # [17:54] <Moo^_^> helpcrypto: it is safer than captcha
  641. # [17:55] <helpcrypto> how can this be?....
  642. # [17:55] <helpcrypto> i could try a brutus/bruteforce to an url using user:pass@domain....
  643. # [17:55] <Moo^_^> helpcrypto: you can brute force captcha too
  644. # [17:56] <Moo^_^> helpcrypto: just pick the .htaccess and be done with it :)
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  646. # [17:56] <Moo^_^> helpcrypto: please read this about passwords http://xkcd.com/936/
  647. # [17:56] <helpcrypto> Moo^_^: ok, thx
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  662. # [18:16] <helpcrypto> ok, heres another doubt.
  663. # [18:16] <helpcrypto> After adding some ErroDocument VALUE URL to my .htaccess, can i redirect "all others" to another URL(without specifying them 1 by 1)?
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  759. # [20:39] <danbeam> anybody know if you need to also preventDefault() the dragenter event in Chrome (and no other browsers) to make something a valid drag target/
  760. # [20:39] <danbeam> ?*
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  765. # [20:48] <acidjazz> paul_irish: hmm? is it ac1djazz? then yes and tnx
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  778. # [21:05] <Jon47> ooh i love the new tooltip like arrows in the latest chrome dev inspector
  779. # [21:06] <acidjazz> ohya?
  780. # [21:06] <Jon47> ya, just a little touch but really classy
  781. # [21:06] <acidjazz> how do i see em
  782. # [21:07] <Jon47> are you on Chrome v15?
  783. # [21:07] <acidjazz> oh taht is cool
  784. # [21:07] <acidjazz> 13
  785. # [21:07] <acidjazz> lemme upgrade
  786. # [21:07] <acidjazz> says 13.0.x up to date where do i get 15?
  787. # [21:08] <Jon47> dev channel
  788. # [21:08] <Jon47> http://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel
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  796. # [21:21] <BrianBlakely> nimbu: Do you know a good way to detect Opera when it's spoofing another browser (particularly, IE)?
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  799. # [21:22] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: er, wat?
  800. # [21:23] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: Detect: "That isn't IE, it's Opera spoofing IE's UA!"
  801. # [21:24] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: er, 1) why do you care?, 2) nobody does that?, 3) feature detection instead, :D
  802. # [21:24] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: Toggling Chrome Frame CTA display
  803. # [21:24] <BrianBlakely> People do that
  804. # [21:25] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: don't know much about Chrome Frame, paul_irish probably does
  805. # [21:25] <BrianBlakely> My question isn't about Chrome Frame, heh
  806. # [21:26] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: why do you care about the User-Agent/
  807. # [21:26] <danbeam> ?*
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  809. # [21:27] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: CTA in question should only display to IE, but Opera users are known to spoof IE via UA swap; it's even in the settings panel.
  810. # [21:27] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: wtf is a CTA?
  811. # [21:27] <BrianBlakely> call-to-action
  812. # [21:27] <BrianBlakely> "The thing to click"
  813. # [21:27] <BrianBlakely> :P
  814. # [21:27] <Jon47> BrianBlakely, they are known to spoof IE6's UA?
  815. # [21:28] <danbeam> yes, I know what a call to action is, I've never heard that abbreviation
  816. # [21:28] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: Ah
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  819. # [21:28] <BrianBlakely> Jon47: I'm not sure which IE, actually, but I am trying to convert all IE visitors
  820. # [21:29] <Jon47> I see
  821. # [21:29] <danbeam> <!--[if IE]> It sucks <![endif]--> ?
  822. # [21:29] <danbeam> @ BrianBlakely
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  824. # [21:29] <Jon47> I think that IE9 and 10 break that conditional markup comment stuff
  825. # [21:29] <Jon47> but it'd work for 8 and under
  826. # [21:29] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: That won't work in IE10
  827. # [21:29] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: NOTE: that won't work in 10
  828. # [21:29] <BrianBlakely> Heh
  829. # [21:29] <Jon47> IE9 really ain't that bad
  830. # [21:29] <BrianBlakely> Jon47: Still works in 9
  831. # [21:29] <Jon47> hell, 7 isn't *that* bad
  832. # [21:29] <BrianBlakely> Jon47: No WebGL, no gradients
  833. # [21:30] <BrianBlakely> Jon47: 7 is terrible
  834. # [21:30] <Jon47> haha
  835. # [21:30] <BrianBlakely> 9 is terrible
  836. # [21:30] <BrianBlakely> Get that shit off my Web
  837. # [21:30] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: could you use @cc_on?
  838. # [21:30] <Jon47> well, as a developer, i haven't sunk time into it anything like the time I've sunk into IE6
  839. # [21:30] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: Oh shi— the IE guys were here the other day, but they didn't know whether 10 supported that or not
  840. # [21:30] <BrianBlakely> I need to check in
  841. # [21:30] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: it might not
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  843. # [21:30] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: but
  844. # [21:31] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: crazy hack - force IE8 or 9 rendering mode?
  845. # [21:31] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: Hah, good idea, if it were not opt-in… unfortunately, it's a high-traffic site and must be opt-in.. you know how it is.
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  847. # [21:32] <BrianBlakely> I think we need to bully our users a little more, but that's just me. ;)
  848. # [21:32] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: no, I mean with X-UA-Compatible
  849. # [21:32] <danbeam> http://farukat.es/journal/2009/05/245-ie8-and-the-x-ua-compatible-situation (here's an article w/ some examples)
  850. # [21:32] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: I know, but I want to display in IE9 mode if they actually have IE9, but don't care to install CF
  851. # [21:33] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: none of this shit should matter
  852. # [21:34] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: show everybody the same thing and use an in-browser feature detection library like Modernizr if you're trying to do something cutting edge and I don't care if it's for marketing/targetting purposes, ;)
  853. # [21:36] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: Don't blame me, I'm just trying to stealthily convert a large userbase to Chrome!
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  856. # [21:38] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: you're trying to get IE users under 9 to install Chrome of Chrome frame?
  857. # [21:38] <danbeam> Chrome or Chrome frame**?
  858. # [21:38] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: All IE users version 1 or greater :P
  859. # [21:39] <BrianBlakely> Chrome Frame works with IE9, right?
  860. # [21:39] <BrianBlakely> I never heard that it didn't
  861. # [21:39] <danbeam> <div id="ie-users"><a href="http://google.com/chrome">Get chrome!</a></div>, #ie-users { display: none; display: block\9; }
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  863. # [21:42] <BrianBlakely> I'm going to try this, danbeam
  864. # [21:42] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: Thanks for helping!
  865. # [21:42] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: careful, I just read somewhere that \9 is slightly unreliable
  866. # [21:43] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: but I haven't had issues (yet)
  867. # [21:43] <danbeam> BrianBlakely: you could also try \0/
  868. # [21:43] <danbeam> (srsly)
  869. # [21:44] <BrianBlakely> I've used \9 before, where did you see that it had problems?
  870. # [21:44] <BrianBlakely> I'm same as you, no issues
  871. # [21:44] <BrianBlakely> It could just be people spooking you out to sabotage your work
  872. # [21:44] <danbeam> BrianBlakely, matjas <-- said it on paul_irish's blog
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  874. # [21:45] <danbeam> they're both in this channel, so ask away (love IRC)
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  881. # [21:58] <BrianBlakely> danbeam: Working really well, but still may need to change up my game if/when IE10 rectifies the hack
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  888. # [22:07] <matjas> BrianBlakely, danbeam: http://mathiasbynens.be/notes/safe-css-hacks
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  890. # [22:08] <matjas> main issue with it is that it also targets IE9 and behavior in IE10 final is unknown
  891. # [22:08] <matjas> so it’s not really “safe”
  892. # [22:10] <danbeam> matjas: I'd still argue that _, -, and * are unsafe, but I guess IE's just screwed with how they can't update those engines
  893. # [22:11] <danbeam> matjas: (this is in response to "Both the _property: value and *property: value hacks (as seen in the above code block) are examples of safe CSS hacks.")
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  896. # [22:16] <danbeam> matjas: also, an aside - I kind of lol'ed at the bottom of your jQuery.prototype = jQuery.fn post, but that's because I've been through the source before (https://github.com/jquery/jquery/blob/master/src/core.js#L79) (and really a lot of people still don't know, I'd assume)
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  911. # [22:45] <slifty> http://superuser.com/questions/328499/sites-directory-icon-in-lion in case anyone has a clue.
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  928. # [23:10] <nimbu> BrianBlakely: no i am not sure how
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  930. # [23:12] <BrianBlakely> nimbu: thanks
  931. # [23:12] <nimbu> BrianBlakely: what would you like to do when people spoof as IE?
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  952. # [23:52] <andrewjbaker> Evening all.
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  955. # [23:52] <CoverSlide> hello
  956. # [23:52] <andrewjbaker> Hi CoverSlide.
  957. # [23:53] <andrewjbaker> Right, same old question as always: any HTML5 game devs on?
  958. # [23:54] <andrewjbaker> Ha, LMAO. Same old response: <silence> :-p
  959. # [23:55] * andrewjbaker switches tactics...
  960. # [23:55] <Moo^_^> I developed a game 15 years ago, but not on HTML5. I think that doesn't count :(
  961. # [23:55] <andrewjbaker> ^^
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  964. # [23:56] <andrewjbaker> If you were to create a game using HTML5, what would you develop?
  965. # [23:56] <Moo^_^> andrewjbaker: framework?
  966. # [23:56] <Moo^_^> or the game itself?
  967. # [23:56] <andrewjbaker> Game itself, genre, etc. But yeah, framework selection would be interesting too...
  968. # [23:56] <Moo^_^> multiplayer 2d shooter from top perspective
  969. # [23:56] <Moo^_^> using cocos2d-javascript
  970. # [23:57] <andrewjbaker> Set in space?
  971. # [23:58] <Moo^_^> andrewjbaker: yes, why not
  972. # [23:58] <Moo^_^> aliiiiens
  973. # [23:58] <andrewjbaker> LOL.
  974. # [23:59] <andrewjbaker> So what's holding you back?
  975. # [23:59] <andrewjbaker> ^^
  976. # [23:59] <Moo^_^> time
  977. # [23:59] <Moo^_^> money
  978. # [23:59] <Moo^_^> and I am currently into other HTML5 ventures
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