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  12. # [00:14] <niftylettuce> nice paint cycle tut paul_irish
  13. # [00:14] <niftylettuce> \o
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  42. # [01:28] <BrixSat> hello :) what type of controller allows me to make text bold and underline (similar to openoffice word editor)
  43. # [01:29] <moo-_-> BrixSat: what do you mean by "controller"?
  44. # [01:29] <BrixSat> controller = input type :p
  45. # [01:30] <moo-_-> BrixSat: you mean WYSIWYG
  46. # [01:30] <moo-_-> What you see is what you get?
  47. # [01:30] <moo-_-> BrixSat: there are several Javascript based rich text editor components
  48. # [01:30] <moo-_-> most popular being TinyMCE
  49. # [01:30] <moo-_-> (most old also)
  50. # [01:30] <BrixSat> yeah kind of but i want to make my own
  51. # [01:30] <moo-_-> BrixSat: ok
  52. # [01:30] <moo-_-> it's a real minefield though
  53. # [01:30] <moo-_-> browsers suck in WYSIWYG
  54. # [01:31] <BrixSat> i want to know how the core it is done, is it a richtext box input or something?
  55. # [01:31] <moo-_-> are you sure you want to do it as you might be doing still after one year?
  56. # [01:31] <moo-_-> BrixSat: contenteditable attribute
  57. # [01:31] <moo-_-> BrixSat: you can set any HTML element as editable
  58. # [01:31] <moo-_-> http://html5demos.com/contenteditable
  59. # [01:31] <BrixSat> hum...
  60. # [01:31] * BrixSat reading :)
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  62. # [01:32] <BrixSat> is that only valid for html5?
  63. # [01:32] <moo-_-> BrixSat: yes
  64. # [01:33] <moo-_-> BrixSat: if you need to support older browsers...
  65. # [01:33] <moo-_-> there is documenteditable
  66. # [01:33] <moo-_-> you need to do it through <iframe>
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  68. # [01:33] <moo-_-> a major PITA
  69. # [01:33] <Raynos> That or use the more recent editing APIs
  70. # [01:33] <BrixSat> wich api?
  71. # [01:33] <Raynos> http://dev.w3.org/html5/editing-api/editing.html
  72. # [01:34] <Raynos> Although I think browser support on that API is very poor
  73. # [01:34] <BrixSat> but making content editing wont allow me to get the content of the edited text or will it?
  74. # [01:34] <Raynos> Because it uses `execCommand` and that does some random things in various browsers
  75. # [01:35] <Raynos> Well of course you need content editable. Or inputs
  76. # [01:37] <BrixSat> content editable wont alow me (i think) to make a small text editor, at least may not be the right wat
  77. # [01:37] <BrixSat> *way
  78. # [01:37] * moo-_- still suggests finding a nice jQuery library or something with fallbacks
  79. # [01:37] <moo-_-> I once tried writing editor
  80. # [01:37] <moo-_-> my head exploded on the sixth day
  81. # [01:37] <BrixSat> and... :D why=
  82. # [01:38] <moo-_-> the situation with different browseres is "not nice"...
  83. # [01:38] <moo-_-> let someone else take care of that crap for you
  84. # [01:38] <moo-_-> and just use something which has been tested and tuned for few years
  85. # [01:38] <BrixSat> i just want some small things like bold and underline and text size nothing more
  86. # [01:38] <moo-_-> BrixSat: well
  87. # [01:39] <moo-_-> what do you think what will happen when user copy-pastes random HTML content to your input...
  88. # [01:39] <moo-_-> e.g. marginal cases like that :P
  89. # [01:39] <BrixSat> it cant copy paste :p
  90. # [01:39] <BrixSat> and the user will end up being probably just me
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  93. # [01:39] <eighty4> BrixSat: that's not working so good with a query library either
  94. # [01:39] <moo-_-> ah
  95. # [01:39] <moo-_-> well
  96. # [01:39] <moo-_-> that makes things easier
  97. # [01:39] <BrixSat> moo-_-: do you know ommwritter?
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  99. # [01:40] <moo-_-> even though my nick is moo I don't know the holy syllable of buddha omm
  100. # [01:40] <moo-_-> :/
  101. # [01:40] <BrixSat> i kind wana clone it for web
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  109. # [01:42] <Raynos> BrixSat: http://learnboost.github.com/texty/
  110. # [01:42] <BrixSat> =)
  111. # [01:42] <BrixSat> pretty there :D
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  113. # [01:42] <Raynos> It really cant do much, tbh
  114. # [01:43] <Raynos> But it runs on canvas
  115. # [01:44] <BrixSat> :/ yea kind limited
  116. # [01:45] <Raynos> It has a CSS programmatic API on it though
  117. # [01:45] <Raynos> in the source. It just doesnt show you it in the demo
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  160. # [03:51] <sephr> another question like yesterday's: is a valid document.createElement or document.createElementNS call allowed to throw exceptions?
  161. # [03:53] <sephr> currently, firefox doesn't even let you manipulate XUL documents in JS for outputting to something else
  162. # [03:53] <sephr> it'd make much more sense to just disable any abilities of XUL elements in content code or make it create unknown elements
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  297. # [11:01] <moo-_-> someone suggest nice HTML5 site template?
  298. # [11:01] <moo-_-> layout I mean
  299. # [11:01] * moo-_- needs to create one page static HTML site
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  301. # [11:02] <OzDave_mbp> the boilerplate?
  302. # [11:02] <OzDave_mbp> http://html5boilerplate.com/
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  307. # [11:14] <moo-_-> OzDave_mbp: no, I think boilerplate is just bunch of Javascripts
  308. # [11:14] <OzDave_mbp> derp
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  348. # [13:33] <monteslu> it would be nice if the google html5 slide deck waiting to load an iframe until the article was trainisition to
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  410. # [15:46] <asher^> o/
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  418. # [15:56] <pinage404> o/ dr0id
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  437. # [16:32] <asher^> hmm. html5 validation doesnt seem to work for email. something like abc@abc comes up as ok
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  442. # [16:41] <frankstallone> Anybody know if there is a specific HTML5 Boilerplate channel?
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  446. # [16:45] <frankstallone> This seems to be the channel listed on the Getting Involved page anyway http://html5boilerplate.com/docs/Get-Involved/
  447. # [16:45] <moo-_-> asher^: that's ok email
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  449. # [16:46] <moo-_-> abc is a valid domain name
  450. # [16:46] <moo-_-> e.g. http://io/
  451. # [16:47] <frankstallone> Question: For the html5 boilerplate, the file.exclude will not exclude my Espresso file. It is xxx.esproj and if I use that exact file name or *.esproj it still doesn't ignore it. Any idea's why? Google not providing any help. Syntax looks legit.
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  457. # [16:57] <nimbupani> frankstallone: this is good
  458. # [16:57] <frankstallone> Not working
  459. # [16:57] <frankstallone> Been playing with it all morning
  460. # [16:57] <nimbupani> errr i mean this channel is good
  461. # [16:57] <nimbupani> frankstallone: do u mean gitignore?
  462. # [16:57] <frankstallone> filename.esproj and *.esproj do not seem to be ignored by the build script
  463. # [16:58] <frankstallone> I don't think so... I am not committing -- just working on a project and hitting ant minify
  464. # [16:58] <nimbupani> o u mean exclude from being copied over.
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  466. # [16:59] <frankstallone> Here is what I got, "file.exclude = user.edwinjarvis.espressostorage, Material-Workshop.esproj, !project-files/**, Project.espressostorage " everything works except the .esproj file
  467. # [16:59] <nimbupani> well submit a bug ticket frankstallone and we can have people look at it
  468. # [16:59] <frankstallone> I can do that =)
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  475. # [17:07] <frankstallone> Issue reported -- thanks @nimbupani
  476. # [17:07] <nimbupani> awes frankstallone
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  481. # [17:13] <frankstallone> I also noticed that 'ant minify' creates an intermediate folder that it doesn't delete (possible intentionally) but most importantly the minified .html files have style.css not the minified .css file so therefore none of the css shows up in /publish/index.html -- interesting
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  495. # [17:58] <boaz> anyone in here done much with html5 draggable?
  496. # [17:59] <boaz> ... specifically having trouble using it on <video>
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  505. # [18:20] <asher^> with html5 form validation, is there any way to build in matching passwords in two fields, or will extra js still be needed for that?
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  507. # [18:27] <Pomax> <label> Password <input type="password" name="password" minlength="4" /> </label>
  508. # [18:27] <Pomax> <label> Password check <input type="password" name="check" data-equals="password" /> </label>
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  510. # [18:27] <Pomax> the data-equals attribute is responsible for making the magic happen
  511. # [18:28] <Pomax> sorry, looking at a jquery implementation, disregard
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  521. # [18:37] <asher^> Pomax minlength is jquery too, right?
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  525. # [18:40] <asher^> hmm, is there a way to manually set the attribute of a form element as invalid?
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  590. # [20:28] <jimi_hendrix> hi,so i am drawing an image that has a see through background (no alpha) to my canvas, and it seems to draw the background as grey. why might this be?
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  595. # [20:38] <RLa> try to fill canvas with transparency color first
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  597. # [20:40] <jimi_hendrix> RLa, how?
  598. # [20:40] <RLa> set alpha to color
  599. # [20:40] <RLa> rgba(255, 255, 255, 255) should work
  600. # [20:41] <jimi_hendrix> oh ok
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  604. # [20:49] <jimi_hendrix> RLa, i have tried with the alpha channel set to both 0 and 255, and there seems to be no difference
  605. # [20:51] <RLa> hm, weird
  606. # [20:53] <RLa> hm, opacity in rgba is from 0 to 1.0?
  607. # [20:53] <RLa> try rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.5)
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  612. # [20:56] <jimi_hendrix> RLa, nope
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  614. # [20:56] <jimi_hendrix> RLa, i just noticed that if i set the mouse cursor to the image (as i plan on doing under certain conditions), it has a grey box around it as well that should not be there
  615. # [20:56] <jimi_hendrix> i assume the cause of this is related to my issue
  616. # [20:59] <RLa> try to make minimal example
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  618. # [21:01] <jimi_hendrix> RLa, do you just want to see the JS, or the accompanying html as well?
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  620. # [21:05] <RLa> both
  621. # [21:06] <RLa> the canvas should be transparent by default
  622. # [21:08] <jimi_hendrix> RLa, actually, i am going to go, i have some things to do. i will ask my question again later, and make the test case if need be
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