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  19. # [00:19] <stevefrost> Quick question, if you were marking up a twitter feed, how would you do it? ie containers, not details
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  21. # [00:22] <moo-_-> stevefrost: can you clarify the question?
  22. # [00:22] <moo-_-> like having feed on your page?
  23. # [00:23] <stevefrost> yeah, a collection of tweets, how would you structure the markup
  24. # [00:24] <stevefrost> I'm currently leaning towards section > article > header/div/footer
  25. # [00:24] <stevefrost> so each tweet is an article
  26. # [00:25] <stevefrost> other options are ul > li > header/div/footer
  27. # [00:25] <stevefrost> or a mixture of the two
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  29. # [00:30] <stevefrost> moo-_-: how would you do it?
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  33. # [00:32] <moo-_-> stevefrost: I am not a good person to answer to this question as I give a crap about semantics :P
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  35. # [00:33] <stevefrost> moo-_-: you give a crap or you don't give a crap?
  36. # [00:34] <moo-_-> stevefrost: no, but I'd like to learn in the future :)
  37. # [00:34] <moo-_-> + don't
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  69. # [01:08] <michaelw> I can't seem to find a spec which mandates what UAs should do if JavaScript changes an attribute, e.g., img.src="...". Can anyone point me in the right direction?
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  75. # [01:16] <jimi_hendrix> is the best way to clear a canvas with fillRect? i am doing some scaling, and that seems to get messed up by it.
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  87. # [01:33] <moo-_-> jimi_hendrix: use ctx.save() and ctx.restore() correctly and it is not messed up
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  92. # [01:34] <jimi_hendrix> moo-_-, ok, i can do that, but is there a way to get the current scale?
  93. # [01:36] <moo-_-> jimi_hendrix: you can also reset canvas
  94. # [01:36] <moo-_-> but I am not sure if it's slower method
  95. # [01:36] <moo-_-> I believe the buffer is rebuild
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  97. # [01:36] <moo-_-> jimi_hendrix: I am not sure about getting the current scale
  98. # [01:36] <moo-_-> never had do I it
  99. # [01:37] <jimi_hendrix> ok
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  101. # [01:37] <jimi_hendrix> if i am going to use save/restore, i need to find a way to save the current scale
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  104. # [01:39] <chovy> checked='???' for not checked?
  105. # [01:39] <chovy> there is not a false version of this attribute, afaik.
  106. # [01:39] <chovy> <input type="checkbox" checked="unchecked" />
  107. # [01:40] <jimi_hendrix> odd
  108. # [01:40] <jimi_hendrix> there is a setTransform function, but not a getTransform one
  109. # [01:40] <michaelw> chovy:it's false if it is not present (and only then)
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  113. # [01:50] <moo-_-> jimi_hendrix: save() and restore() works like stack
  114. # [01:50] <moo-_-> there is no need to save the current sacle
  115. # [01:50] <moo-_-> scale
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  120. # [02:00] <jimi_hendrix> moo-_-, i know that, but if i pop the frame where everything is scaled so i can draw the rectangle to clear the canvas, how do i know how much i need to scale when i get back to the proper stack frame?
  121. # [02:01] <moo-_-> jimi_hendrix: I don't understand the question
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  123. # [02:01] <moo-_-> if you use the stack correctly you won't end up with a problem like that
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  281. # [06:54] <danbeam> anybody done anything hard with HTML5 drag'n'drop?
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  302. # [07:30] <mahesh> hi
  303. # [07:30] <ryanseddon> danbeam: http://fontdragr.com/
  304. # [07:31] * danbeam is now known as danbeam__
  305. # [07:32] <mahesh> anybody know why h5bp is still using IE Star Hack, ie. *property: value when we can use .ie6, .ie7 etc ?
  306. # [07:32] <danbeam__> ryanseddon: that's cool, but I meant in the browser not w/files
  307. # [07:32] <danbeam__> s/in the browser/with only elements/
  308. # [07:33] <ryanseddon> so you don't really mean drag and drop you mean something like jquery ui draggable?
  309. # [07:34] <danbeam__> uh, haven't used that
  310. # [07:35] <danbeam__> but there's dragging and dropping ... so whatever you wanna call it
  311. # [07:36] <ryanseddon> html5 drag and drop is about transfering data
  312. # [07:36] <ryanseddon> jquery draggable is faux DnD that uses mouse events
  313. # [07:36] <danbeam__> cool, thanks
  314. # [07:40] <tw2113> yo ryanseddon and danbeam__
  315. # [07:40] <danbeam__> tw2113: what up
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  317. # [07:40] <tw2113> procrastination
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  319. # [07:41] <retlehs> mahesh: https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/pull/670#issuecomment-1775897
  320. # [07:41] <socialhapy> ★ Pull request on html5-boilerplate by kevinkrpicak (1m, 3d ago): Replacing normalize ie6/ie7 css hacks for validity
  321. # [07:42] <danbeam> tw2113: "Hard work sometimes pays off later, but laziness always pass off now." - somebody
  322. # [07:42] <danbeam> pays off**
  323. # [07:43] <tw2113> darn right
  324. # [07:46] <mahesh> retlehs: thanks
  325. # [07:46] <mahesh> socialhapy: thanks
  326. # [07:48] <danbeam> does anybody understand why this happens? http://jsfiddle.net/danbeam/MrEjL/2/
  327. # [07:49] <danbeam> (should see "hello!" in the result even though it's [hidden])
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  349. # [08:37] <danbeam> ryanseddon: what should the dropEffect of a 'drop' event be? is it always 'none' or should it inherit from the previous or fallback to the .effectAllowed?
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  352. # [08:40] <ryanseddon> danbeam: it should be whatever it was set to be on either the dragenter or dragover event
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  354. # [08:40] <danbeam> ryanseddon: that's what I thought
  355. # [08:42] <danbeam> ryanseddon: my problem is that I need somewhere in the spec to prove this behavior is incorrect or unspecified
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  357. # [08:43] <ryanseddon> danbeam: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/dnd.html#dndevents
  358. # [08:44] <danbeam> ryanseddon: so you're saying "Current drag operation" is what we're talking about?
  359. # [08:45] <danbeam> ryanseddon: (P.S. the spec sucks)
  360. # [08:45] * danbeam had to throw that in there, for PPK
  361. # [08:45] <ryanseddon> PPK just hates dragover and dragenter cancelling
  362. # [08:46] <ryanseddon> that's why they added the dropzone attribute to handle that for you
  363. # [08:46] <danbeam> ryanseddon: yeah, I see
  364. # [08:46] <danbeam> ryanseddon: either way, still not sure i'm a huge fan of the api
  365. # [08:46] <danbeam> ryanseddon: but I'm pretty darn sure I've isolated an implementation defect on Windows vs. Linux in Chrome
  366. # [08:46] <ryanseddon> it was reverse engineered to still work with IE
  367. # [08:46] <danbeam> :(
  368. # [08:47] <danbeam> yeah, I know the history, doesn't make it right, lol
  369. # [08:47] <danbeam> but it is cool that it already works in IE (I think?)
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  374. # [08:47] <ryanseddon> yeah with a few quirks of course
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  376. # [08:49] <danbeam> ryanseddon: are you on Windows?
  377. # [08:49] <ryanseddon> yep
  378. # [08:49] <danbeam> ryanseddon: if you feel like it -- what happens when you drag the blue on the red? http://jsfiddle.net/xRued/14/ (show the console first)
  379. # [08:49] <danbeam> ryanseddon: what does drop say?
  380. # [08:49] <danbeam> ryanseddon: sorry, dragend
  381. # [08:50] <ryanseddon> any browser?
  382. # [08:50] <danbeam> ryanseddon: naw, just Chrome
  383. # [08:50] <danbeam> ryanseddon: (if you have it)
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  385. # [08:50] <ryanseddon> dragend says copy
  386. # [08:51] <danbeam> ryanseddon: ok, thanks, I'm not going crazy, :)
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  389. # [08:51] <danbeam> ryanseddon: (see how it's "move" like 100s of times, then magically copy?)
  390. # [08:51] <ryanseddon> yeah that is weird
  391. # [08:51] <danbeam> ryanseddon: super weird, that's why I'm reporting it as it's been the bane of my existence for the last 3 days, :D
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  393. # [08:54] <danbeam> anybody here on OS X and feel like trying that for me? (filling in platform field of bug right now)
  394. # [08:54] <danbeam> (the same thing ryanseddon so graciously helped me with, :D)
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  397. # [08:56] <danbeam> gdi, http://crbug.com/39399
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  400. # [08:58] <benschwarz> some might be interested to see currency.io was open sourced today :)
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  404. # [09:02] <bitwise_> man, im trying to drawImage on a 2d context.. not seeing anything
  405. # [09:04] <danbeam> bitwise_: are you giving it an Image?
  406. # [09:04] <danbeam> bitwise_: (i.e. <img> tag?)
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  408. # [09:04] <bitwise_> im gibing it a $('<img>')
  409. # [09:04] <danbeam> bitwise_: er, you'd probably wanna say $('img')[0]
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  411. # [09:04] <bitwise_> well.. a $('<img src="foo.jpg"></img>')[0]
  412. # [09:04] <danbeam> bitwise_: or .get() or .item() or whatever
  413. # [09:04] <danbeam> bitwise_: ok
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  415. # [09:05] <danbeam> bitwise_: is it from the domain
  416. # [09:05] <danbeam> bitwise_: ?
  417. # [09:05] <bitwise_> yeah
  418. # [09:05] <danbeam> bitwise_: hmmm
  419. # [09:05] <bitwise_> i have one that is and one that isnt
  420. # [09:05] <bitwise_> and im not seeing any of them
  421. # [09:05] <danbeam> bitwise_: are you giving the right coords?
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  423. # [09:05] <bitwise_> yeah
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  425. # [09:05] <danbeam> bitwise_: and I don't know if it matter, but you might wanna wait til the Image's .onload fires
  426. # [09:05] <danbeam> matters*
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  428. # [09:06] <bitwise_> hmm ok
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  431. # [09:06] <bitwise_> might be the issue
  432. # [09:06] <danbeam> not sure if that will help, but it can't really hurt...
  433. # [09:06] <bitwise_> i was hoping to just keep them in an array but i can try to figure that out
  434. # [09:07] <danbeam> bitwise_: i.e. not add to DOM?
  435. # [09:07] <bitwise_> yeah
  436. # [09:07] <danbeam> dunno, dawg, that probably doesn't load them...
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  438. # [09:07] <danbeam> not sure, though, I'm a canvas n00b, somebody probably knows better than myself
  439. # [09:08] <bitwise_> yeah that doesnt seem to help
  440. # [09:08] <bitwise_> (appending htem to doM)
  441. # [09:08] <bitwise_> arhh
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  443. # [09:11] <ryanseddon> danbeam: did you star the bug?
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  622. # [16:29] <Wilto> Whatup.
  623. # [16:29] <krater> Wilto hi
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  626. # [16:31] <krater> palceholder for ie9 fail, i'm starting to develop with html5, any suggestion? will modernizr solve this?
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  628. # [16:37] <miketaylr> no
  629. # [16:37] <myakura> krater: IE10 adds support for HTML5 forms http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/hh272905#_HTML5FormsVal
  630. # [16:37] <miketaylr> but there's plenty of scripts that can fake placeholder for older browsers
  631. # [16:38] <miketaylr> ?g mathias bynens placeholder jquery
  632. # [16:38] <bot-t> miketaylr, mathiasbynens/Placeholder-jQuery-Plugin - GitHub - https://github.com/mathiasbynens/Placeholder-jQuery-Plugin
  633. # [16:38] <miketaylr> krater: ^^
  634. # [16:38] <miketaylr> as one of about 30 million examples
  635. # [16:39] <krater> miketaylr tnks, in my old sites with xhtml i already use this placeholder with jquery, i will always check if the browser supports by js :(
  636. # [16:40] <miketaylr> if you use modernizr, i believe it does a test for this
  637. # [16:40] <miketaylr> Modernizr.inputs.placeholder or something
  638. # [16:40] <krater> myakura is ie10 already realesed?
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  640. # [16:41] <krater> beta mode?
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  643. # [16:41] <myakura> krater: not yet. prolly in 2012. Microsoft's been working on a beta build and I believe it's coming very soon.
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  645. # [16:45] <krater> myakura ;)
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  652. # [16:50] <robreact> there's an ie10 platform preview out now (it came out shortly after 9 shipped)
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  675. # [17:20] <trickz> so a <footer> can have <header>, <h1>-<h6>, <hgroup> ?
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  680. # [17:22] <myakura> trickz: it cannot contain <header> but can have headings and <hgroup>
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  683. # [17:24] <trickz> myakura: why can it not have header ?
  684. # [17:24] <trickz> header is just meant for introductory stuffs or navigational aids, yeh ?
  685. # [17:25] <trickz> i am just trying to get my concept clear
  686. # [17:25] <trickz> another thing, i saw <header role="banner"> is that valid html ? i cant see anything like role="" mentioned in the specs ...
  687. # [17:25] <myakura> trickz: yeah. but <footer> isn't a section.
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  689. # [17:26] <trickz> ok, so its only for sections. specs have shown article aside nav section as sections
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  691. # [17:28] <myakura> right. if you want your <footer> have <header> then the '<footer>' should be a <section> (or other sectioning content)
  692. # [17:29] <trickz> ok
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  694. # [17:29] <trickz> what about role="" ?
  695. # [17:29] <robreact> role="" is from Accessible Rich Internet Applications (ARIA) http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/roles
  696. # [17:29] <trickz> and aria-* stuff .. i know you can have custom attributes with data-*
  697. # [17:29] <trickz> specs are pretty complex
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  704. # [17:33] <shawn_dones> anyone have a fav image scroller?
  705. # [17:33] <shawn_dones> like this one http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/building-a-jquery-image-scroller/
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  728. # [17:52] <nabax> hi
  729. # [17:52] <nabax> how does one set the z position of something in a canvas?
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  856. # [19:01] <niftylettuce> oh SNAP
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  858. # [19:01] <niftylettuce> http://tee.ly/audio
  859. # [19:01] <niftylettuce> ya'll ready for this?
  860. # [19:02] <niftylettuce> my fav is the laugh lol
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  921. # [19:56] <scttnlsn> are there any examples of an HTML5-based pinch-zoomble and scrollable image viewer out there?
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  987. # [21:42] <KostasDi> hello people
  988. # [21:42] <KostasDi> anyone here using osx lion?
  989. # [21:46] <Wilto> Yessir.
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  992. # [21:48] <Wilto> Having Safari 5.1 issues?
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  1027. # [22:35] <JonathanNeal> essay
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  1043. # [22:48] <BrianBlakely> Here's a tricky CSS question: how might one exclude a single element from being masked by an overflow: hidden parent without changing the "position" value?
  1044. # [22:48] <divya> ::not ?
  1045. # [22:48] <divya> o
  1046. # [22:48] <divya> you cant
  1047. # [22:49] <divya> unless
  1048. # [22:49] <divya> u use z-index
  1049. # [22:49] <divya> o wait no
  1050. # [22:49] <divya> u cant :/
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  1052. # [22:51] <BrianBlakely> divya: Blerg, it seems that way
  1053. # [22:52] <BrianBlakely> position: absolute or fixed look like the only way
  1054. # [22:52] <BrianBlakely> But that screws up layout, in this case
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  1057. # [22:55] <divya> yeah BrianBlakely :/
  1058. # [22:58] <BrianBlakely> Please, call me Brian
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  1064. # [23:06] <divya> hahahahha
  1065. # [23:06] <divya> OKAY Brian
  1066. # [23:06] <divya> its harder to clear after tabbing the B
  1067. # [23:07] <andrewjbaker> "<BrianBlakely> Please, call me Brian" <- You charmer. :-p
  1068. # [23:07] <bot-t> (258 hours ago) <niftylettuce> tell andrewjbaker frequent bbg right hurr bro
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  1071. # [23:11] <BrianBlakely> divya: Haha :P
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  1074. # [23:14] <moo-_-> life of brian >_<
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  1079. # [23:22] <niftylettuce> lol
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  1082. # [23:25] <tw2113> ohhh BrianBlakely
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  1090. # [23:36] <chrisdev_> anyone have lag issues with javascript audio on iPad?
  1091. # [23:37] <sean`> chrisdev_, lag as in milisecnods or miniutes
  1092. # [23:37] <chrisdev_> seconds
  1093. # [23:37] <sean`> hmm, that's extreme
  1094. # [23:37] <chrisdev_> like 2-3 seconds for a 1s mp3
  1095. # [23:37] <sean`> haven't been in a position to try, but I am in a few
  1096. # [23:37] <sean`> are you preloading?
  1097. # [23:38] <chrisdev_> mmmm…not sure, the audio variable is set on app startup, dont know how to warm it more than that
  1098. # [23:40] <chrisdev_> ah, wait - it doesnt matter even if the clip has played once, the delay is consistant in subsquent plays, although I reset the var before each play to avoid a play collisions in chrome
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  1101. # [23:40] <sean`> your own audio script or a lib/
  1102. # [23:40] <chrisdev_> its consistant for each audio asset, 2-3 secs
  1103. # [23:40] <sean`> I find soundManager easy, should try it
  1104. # [23:41] <chrisdev_> have you used it on ipad webapps?
  1105. # [23:44] <sean`> Nope
  1106. # [23:44] <sean`> But I will in these upcoming days, so we can exchange notes
  1107. # [23:44] <sean`> Is this an ipad 2 or 1?
  1108. # [23:44] <chrisdev_> 2
  1109. # [23:44] <sean`> wifi ?
  1110. # [23:44] <chrisdev_> running as a webapp, not in mobile safari proper
  1111. # [23:45] <sean`> yeah, there are some limitiations, but this shouldn't matter that much
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  1114. # [23:46] <chrisdev_> running soundmanager demo on mobile safari, seems like the lag is limited to <=1s, maybe less, hm http://www.schillmania.com/projects/soundmanager2/demo/api/
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  1118. # [23:48] <sean`> chrisdev_, http://client.seankoole.com/klm/game/game.php can you try this?
  1119. # [23:48] <sean`> mousedown on the images should trigger a sound
  1120. # [23:48] <sean`> It lags about 100-300 ms
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  1123. # [23:49] <struys> yo paul_irish, what's that site you use to determine validate css selectors?
  1124. # [23:49] <chrisdev_> first tap was 100-300ms, subsequent were instant!
  1125. # [23:49] <chrisdev_> is that using soundmanager
  1126. # [23:49] <struys> to validate css selectors*
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  1129. # [23:52] <sean`> chrisdev_, yeah
  1130. # [23:52] <sean`> http://client.seankoole.com/klm/game/assets/js/audio.js this is y file
  1131. # [23:52] <chrisdev_> very helpful thanks, hope this does the trick and its not my implementation
  1132. # [23:53] <sean`> hope so bro
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