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  4. # [00:03] <cgcardona> bbiab
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  9. # [00:05] <JohnnyL> what's a good API for mash ups?
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  31. # [00:29] <chovy> JohnnyL: mashup of what?
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  33. # [00:30] <chovy> ticketfly.com
  34. # [00:30] <chovy> i like json responses myself.
  35. # [00:31] <chovy> has geo location
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  37. # [00:31] <chovy> yahoo pipes are cool for building json data.
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  41. # [00:35] <tw2113> JohnnyL the question is what data you want and how to pull it all together
  42. # [00:37] <JohnnyL> tw2113: data from unformatted and non contextual web pages into a web type interface (tables,etc).
  43. # [00:37] <chovy> huh?
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  46. # [00:38] <tw2113> that could explain any data
  47. # [00:38] <tw2113> i'm talking specifics
  48. # [00:39] <tw2113> for example geolocation data?
  49. # [00:39] <tw2113> population stats?
  50. # [00:39] <tw2113> tweets?
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  52. # [00:39] <tw2113> data from http://sitorsquat.com/ ?
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  56. # [00:42] <tw2113> JohnnyL is confusing format with content
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  58. # [00:43] <chovy> JohnnyL: yahoo pipes has some rudimentary cut-here type stuff for scraping
  59. # [00:43] <JohnnyL> tw2113: are you saying content does not have a format?
  60. # [00:43] <JohnnyL> chovy: yeah i looked at it.
  61. # [00:43] <JohnnyL> just wondering what people use.
  62. # [00:44] <tw2113> i'm not worried about the format that you get your data, i'm asking what type of content you're looking for
  63. # [00:44] <chovy> depends on what your goal is.
  64. # [00:44] <JohnnyL> tw2113: quotes
  65. # [00:44] <tw2113> yes, what are you trying to achieve
  66. # [00:44] <chovy> web pages aren't really structured data.
  67. # [00:44] <tw2113> quotes? famous quotes from people?
  68. # [00:44] <chovy> unless they use something like microformats.
  69. # [00:44] <tw2113> rate quotes for paid project work?
  70. # [00:45] <tw2113> punctuation quotes? :D
  71. # [00:45] <chovy> pipes isn't good for production either.
  72. # [00:45] <JohnnyL> tw2113: no quotes from Ghandi.
  73. # [00:45] <JohnnyL> tw2113: yes
  74. # [00:45] <tw2113> there we go, some information we can use
  75. # [00:45] <tw2113> quotes from ghandi
  76. # [00:45] <tw2113> don't know of any API's that provide them
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  78. # [00:46] <tw2113> but maybe there's an API related to quotes in general that we can search through for ghandi quotes
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  83. # [00:48] <JohnnyL> http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/sai_baba.html
  84. # [00:48] <JohnnyL> i suppose i can use jQuery to grab the information.
  85. # [00:48] <JohnnyL> And just cycle through a loop.
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  87. # [00:49] <JohnnyL> Pipes is nice, but it tends to not work if you off off by one character.
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  89. # [00:50] <tw2113> sounds like it's data scraping more than APIs/mashups, at the moment
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  193. # [03:22] <blindMoe> is there an easy way to scale an image ( sprite ) using html5?
  194. # [03:24] <blindMoe> I don't want to scale the entire canvas.. just one sprite used within it
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  201. # [03:29] <ryanseddon> blindMoe: you can use background-size
  202. # [03:30] <blindMoe> to scale a sprite?
  203. # [03:30] <ryanseddon> http://www.thecssninja.com/css/high-res-sprites
  204. # [03:30] <blindMoe> ohh not css sprites :)
  205. # [03:31] <blindMoe> I have an image stored in an object in JS and want to resize it
  206. # [03:32] <ryanseddon> ah, then canvas is the way to go to resize an image
  207. # [03:32] <blindMoe> what confuses me is that the image is floating in a canvas already.. do I create another canvas with just the image on it?
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  211. # [03:34] <ryanseddon> yeah load the image into a canvas do your calculations then inject canvas into page or get the dateURl of the canvas and inject and image element
  212. # [03:34] <blindMoe> k I will mess around with it... thanks for the pointers
  213. # [03:34] <ryanseddon> blindMoe: this will help too http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2303690/resizing-an-image-in-an-html5-canvas
  214. # [03:35] <blindMoe> hehe I am reading that right now :)
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  223. # [03:58] <blindMoe> ryanseddon: http://pastebin.com/nSbqP1ta
  224. # [03:58] <blindMoe> that seems to do the trick
  225. # [03:59] <ryanseddon> awesome
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  231. # [04:05] <ryanseddon> Trigger fullscreen video in Chrome dev http://jsfiddle.net/ryanseddon/gvkCd/2/
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  533. # [16:27] <left-blank> hi - is it possible to customise the look of an html5 slider with a background image and custom handle?
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  552. # [17:09] <shawn_dones> is there a way to cache bust a link to a pdf file
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  558. # [17:20] <danbeam> shawn_dones: $('a[href$=".pdf"]').each(function(el){el.href+='?'+(+new Date);});
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  561. # [17:20] <shawn_dones> danbeam: thx
  562. # [17:21] <danbeam> shawn_dones: (assumes jQuery, obviously, and will make your PDFs last cacheable)
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  564. # [17:21] <danbeam> shawn_dones: less cacheable**
  565. # [17:21] <danbeam> shawn_dones: and if know a specific link you want to cache bust, use that instead
  566. # [17:21] <danbeam> shawn_dones: i.e. $('#specific_link')[0].href+='?'+(+new Date);
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  577. # [17:37] <shawn_dones> danbeam: is there anyway to tell if that is work?
  578. # [17:37] <shawn_dones> danbeam: working*
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  583. # [17:43] <danbeam> shawn_dones: the link will have a long string of numbers at the end of it
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  585. # [17:44] <danbeam> .pdf?1316101115721
  586. # [17:44] <danbeam> something like that
  587. # [17:44] <shawn_dones> yeah thats what i was thinking but i dont see anything like that
  588. # [17:44] <shawn_dones> ill figure it out
  589. # [17:44] <shawn_dones> thanks :)
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  593. # [17:50] <danbeam> shawn_dones: http://jsfiddle.net/danbeam/ryHgL/
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  597. # [17:52] <shawn_dones> danbeam: ok that worked
  598. # [17:55] <shawn_dones> danbeam: i really need to beef up my js skills
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  667. # [19:18] <chovy> shepazu: http://jsfiddle.net/byQTt/1/
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  679. # [19:34] <shepazu> chovy: did you srsly just IRC-spam me?
  680. # [19:35] <cgcardona> yo
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  694. # [19:59] <blindMoe> if I am writing a game in html5 and want to make something as simple as a 'start' or 'pause' button is it a better idea to just use html to place an image and use jquery to capture the click event or is there a reason I would want to do it all via the canvas?
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  697. # [20:00] <dabear> blindMoe: whatever floats your boat, I guess
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  699. # [20:01] <blindMoe> yeah that is kind of what I was thinking... just new to this and was wondering if there was something I wasn't thinking of that might come into play later
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  717. # [20:10] <blindMoe> anyone here do html5 programming for android phones and attempt to capture tilt /touch events?
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  732. # [20:20] <cgcardona> anyone know of a tool that can get the page load speed times returned by the webkit dev tools network tab into a spreadsheet? Or a tool that does something similar?
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  734. # [20:21] <chovy> shepazu: huh?
  735. # [20:21] <chovy> oh, i sent that link to the wrong person.
  736. # [20:21] <shepazu> lol
  737. # [20:22] <chovy> whoever it was logged off, and tab completion made you the lucky winner :-D
  738. # [20:22] <shepazu> it did seem odd for spam
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  740. # [20:22] <chovy> spamming js fiddle urls.
  741. # [20:23] <chovy> has anyone seen issues in iPhone, where mobile web pages are bottom aligned?
  742. # [20:23] <chovy> i'm not sure why this is happening.
  743. # [20:23] <chovy> but every page i load on my site goes to the footer of the page.
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  745. # [20:27] <cgcardona> chovy: url?
  746. # [20:30] <chovy> cgcardona: unfortunately i don't have one live.
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  758. # [20:38] <chovy> cgcardona: actually, whawt am i saying.
  759. # [20:38] <chovy> http://chegg.com on iPhone.
  760. # [20:39] <chovy> The type in a book, ie: biology and select the first one.
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  762. # [20:39] <chovy> if you click around the site, you'll notice every page load goes straight to the footer. Not top aligned.
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  775. # [20:43] <Sazpaimon__> I'm trying to implement a pay-per-minute solution using HTML5 video, and can't figure out a decent way to deduct a user's minutes as a video plays
  776. # [20:43] <Sazpaimon__> any suggestions?
  777. # [20:44] <chovy> cgcardona: i found the problem.
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  782. # [20:50] <cgcardona> chovy: nice. what was it?
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  786. # [20:54] <chovy> they were using window.scrollTop(0,1) trick to hide the address bar.
  787. # [20:54] <chovy> except they made it (0, window.innerHeight) instead.
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  833. # [22:07] <paul_irish_> hmmmmmmmm
  834. # [22:07] <paul_irish_> if an iframe is transformed out of via
  835. # [22:08] <paul_irish_> and then it comes into view
  836. # [22:08] <paul_irish_> how do you know
  837. # [22:08] <divya> you dont
  838. # [22:08] <divya> no api yet
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  840. # [22:09] <divya> someone else was asking about this sometime ago.
  841. # [22:09] <Pomax> hmm, are top/left transformed accordingly?
  842. # [22:09] <divya> no
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  844. # [22:10] <Pomax> I guess even if it stays a rectangular element bounding box you could test for top/left/offsetHeight/offsetWidth being inside the window's box?
  845. # [22:10] <divya> i dont think any of those changes
  846. # [22:10] <Pomax> arr
  847. # [22:11] <divya> afaik
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  849. # [22:13] <divya> paul_irish_: u should blog it if you find a way to
  850. # [22:13] <paul_irish_> Pomax: ^
  851. # [22:13] <paul_irish_> OH
  852. # [22:13] <paul_irish_> mE
  853. # [22:13] <paul_irish_> :p
  854. # [22:13] <tw2113> Mozilla wants to turn the internet into a collection & achievement game http://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2011/09/15/openbadges/
  855. # [22:14] <paul_irish_> im just gonna use parent frame to detect and postMessage into child frames
  856. # [22:14] <paul_irish_> weaksauce i know
  857. # [22:14] <paul_irish_> the visibility api isnt cognizant of this sort of state
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  872. # [22:43] <chovy> paul_irish_: you're everywhere.
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  874. # [22:44] <chovy> i think i ran across you on quora or something the other night.
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  877. # [22:47] <Pomax> paul actually operates the internet switchboard.
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  879. # [22:50] <chovy> he IS the root dns.
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  888. # [23:03] <suprraz> hello
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  890. # [23:03] <suprraz> anybody here interested in aggregation(search) for html5 apps
  891. # [23:04] <chovy> suprraz: what do you mean?
  892. # [23:05] <suprraz> lots of html5 apps coming out, i'm referring to collecting them in one place
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  894. # [23:06] <chovy> oh
  895. # [23:06] <chovy> like yahoo apps search?
  896. # [23:06] <chovy> http://apps.search.yahoo.com/
  897. # [23:06] <chovy> but for html5
  898. # [23:06] <suprraz> yea
  899. # [23:07] <suprraz> good analogy
  900. # [23:07] <suprraz> that's basically what I'm working on.
  901. # [23:07] <suprraz> what do you focus on, chovy?
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  905. # [23:12] <suprraz> you there?
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  907. # [23:14] <chovy> suprraz: UI
  908. # [23:14] <Pomax> irc. so asynchronous, it makes you question your very packets.
  909. # [23:14] <suprraz> haha.
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  911. # [23:16] <suprraz> I'm working on an ambitious startup to collect, rank & search all html5 mobile apps. If anyone is interested, PM me.
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  913. # [23:17] <Pomax> make it look sleek and get twitter to do the rest =)
  914. # [23:18] <suprraz> Pomax: i like the way you think. Marketing hooks are a requirement
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  916. # [23:18] <suprraz> and UX has to be extremely intuitive, and fun
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  918. # [23:19] <Pomax> the only way an aggregator can succeed is to make people feel their contributions aren't contributions.
  919. # [23:20] <suprraz> right: they have to benefit from their own contributions
  920. # [23:20] <Pomax> make it sleek, make adding apps you heard of a one click process, reviews without login (but added weight to reviews by proper users), and you can get some good momentum going.
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  922. # [23:20] <Pomax> and make sure the name isn't a common word that gets lost in the search engines
  923. # [23:21] <tw2113> i'm glad to see G+ api allowing to specify exactly what is desired to return
  924. # [23:21] <Pomax> or your runup to fame will be cut short by people not being able to google for it
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  926. # [23:22] <suprraz> what about the notion of invite only to start?
  927. # [23:22] <suprraz> you prefer open? why?
  928. # [23:24] <Pomax> because if I have to take the effort to help you out, I have better things to do with my time.
  929. # [23:25] <Pomax> unless you have something really cool to offer, there's no reward for me as a user to go through the effort of trying to get in
  930. # [23:25] <Pomax> and having a more convenient place to find html5 apps, when it's just starting up, is not rewarding. it's only the promise of a reward later on, when enough people have helped you build it up.
  931. # [23:25] <Pomax> so invite only is great if you already have a considerable product sitting behind the login portal.
  932. # [23:26] <Pomax> but for a crowd sourced site... probably not the right model.
  933. # [23:26] <chovy> is there a channel for iphone dev?
  934. # [23:26] <chovy> mobile web dev?
  935. # [23:27] <Pomax> #iphonedev
  936. # [23:27] <Pomax> (/list keyword is your friend =D)
  937. # [23:27] <paul_irish_> hi chovy. SUPPPPPPP
  938. # [23:27] <Pomax> (although /list is your worst enemy)
  939. # [23:28] <suprraz> Pomax: thanks for your insight
  940. # [23:28] <chovy> paul_irish_: yo!
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  942. # [23:28] <chovy> same old
  943. # [23:28] <paul_irish_> hawt
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  945. # [23:30] <cryptopsy> yo motherfucker, i installed h5bp and i think it's great
  946. # [23:30] <cryptopsy> ... motherfucker.
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  958. # [23:49] <tantek> suprraz - what is and isn't an "html5 mobile app"?
  959. # [23:52] <suprraz> tantek: good q. the way you define an app vs a mobile site, is up for debate, but an app usually "does" something, where a mobile site may be more informational. is that what you were asking?
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  961. # [23:52] <tantek> actually I'm asking about all 3 terms
  962. # [23:52] <tantek> what makes a site "html5" in your opinion vs not?
  963. # [23:52] <tantek> is just using the HTML5 doctype enough?
  964. # [23:52] <suprraz> technically yes, practically no
  965. # [23:53] <suprraz> it is html5, but any old website can do that and it offers nothing new
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  969. # [23:54] <tantek> so what makes the difference then as far as inclusion in such a "directory"?
  970. # [23:54] <suprraz> so to qualify it as html5, the aggregation algrythm i built out does some fancier stuff like analyze to what extent a page uses new html5 functionality
  971. # [23:54] <tantek> and what makes a site "mobile"? you may want to take a look at Jeremy Keith's recent presentation "There Is No Mobile Web" and related blog posts: http://adactio.com/journal/4860/ and http://adactio.com/journal/4862/
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  973. # [23:55] <tantek> he also touches in that first blog post about the problem with labeling something a "web app"
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  975. # [23:56] <suprraz> all good points.
  976. # [23:57] <suprraz> i think it further underlines the need for separating the old from the new
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  978. # [23:58] <suprraz> since old content is loosing relevancy in the mobile environment (desk vs. line at super market)
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