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  1. # Session Start: Sun Sep 18 00:00:02 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [00:00] <shepazu> thomaschaaf_: here you go… took me some time, had to write it from scratch
  4. # [00:00] <shepazu> http://schepers.cc/svg/games/hexes.svg
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  6. # [00:01] <shepazu> mouse over and click
  7. # [00:01] <thomaschaaf_> amazing let me see how it works :)
  8. # [00:02] <shepazu> thomaschaaf_: I wanted to make something that would show you the basics of how to make an interactive SVG with JS and CSS, so you'd have the basics
  9. # [00:03] <thomaschaaf_> shepazu: yep I will look into it :) this si really cool
  10. # [00:03] <thomaschaaf_> but there is no click for what I am getting
  11. # [00:03] <thomaschaaf_> just hover
  12. # [00:03] <shepazu> thomaschaaf_: really?
  13. # [00:04] <thomaschaaf_> chrome
  14. # [00:04] <shepazu> what OS/browser?
  15. # [00:04] <shepazu> ok
  16. # [00:04] <shepazu> lemme see
  17. # [00:04] <dpogue> selection.style is undefined
  18. # [00:05] <dpogue> try selection.correspondingElement.style.fill
  19. # [00:07] <shepazu> thomaschaaf_: try it now
  20. # [00:07] <thomaschaaf_> yey
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  22. # [00:09] <thomaschaaf_> I will look more deeply into that tomorrow :) if I am done I'll send you a copy :)
  23. # [00:09] <shepazu> yeah, each element has an id, too, so you can identify them
  24. # [00:09] <shepazu> thomaschaaf_: great
  25. # [00:10] <shepazu> schepers at w3 dot org
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  27. # [00:11] <thomaschaaf_> great :) will be something very interesting I hope
  28. # [00:12] <thomaschaaf_> how do you get a w3.org account :/
  29. # [00:12] <shepazu> thomaschaaf_: by working for W3C :)
  30. # [00:12] <thomaschaaf_> just read the about on your blog
  31. # [00:13] <thomaschaaf_> good night :)
  32. # [00:13] <shepazu> nn
  33. # [00:14] <thomaschaaf_> or good day for you actually ;)
  34. # [00:14] <shepazu> sorry it took so long
  35. # [00:14] <shepazu> heh
  36. # [00:14] <thomaschaaf_> no problem
  37. # [00:14] <shepazu> coming into evening
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  70. # [01:29] <vid_> any way to get html5 videos to work with OSS under linux?
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  75. # [01:45] <sephr> vid_: by using OSS codecs
  76. # [01:45] <sephr> such as theora and vp8
  77. # [01:46] <sephr> and use OSS containers like OGG and MKV
  78. # [01:46] <vid_> well i have both theora and vp8
  79. # [01:46] <vid_> but youtube html5 player still has no sound
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  81. # [01:47] <vid_> @ sephr ^^
  82. # [01:47] <sephr> vid_: ??
  83. # [01:47] <sephr> youtube doesn't provide theora
  84. # [01:47] <sephr> you're not making sense
  85. # [01:48] <vid_> yeah but isnt youtube vp8?
  86. # [01:48] <sephr> youtube only provides h.264 in flv and mp4 and vp8 in mkv
  87. # [01:48] <sephr> yes
  88. # [01:48] <sephr> you said you have theora though
  89. # [01:48] <sephr> which tells me that you don't know what's going on
  90. # [01:48] <vid_> 01:39 < vid_> well i have both theora and vp8
  91. # [01:48] <vid_> i mean installed
  92. # [01:49] <sephr> firefox has them built in afaik
  93. # [01:49] <sephr> and so does chromium
  94. # [01:49] <vid_> well im using chromium, 0 sound
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  96. # [01:50] <sephr> I'd assume that youtube's mkvs offer vorbis sound
  97. # [01:50] <sephr> the probably is most likely with your drivers
  98. # [01:51] <vid_> well ive no idea tbh, i got the codecs installed
  99. # [01:51] <sephr> well it's not a JS problem
  100. # [01:51] <sephr> or html
  101. # [01:52] <vid_> well dno
  102. # [01:52] <vid_> ill try tomorrow
  103. # [01:52] <vid_> cya
  104. # [01:52] <sephr> which means it's not relevant here
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  112. # [02:15] <drale2k> is it possible to store fonts in the appcache?
  113. # [02:15] <drale2k> .ttf files
  114. # [02:15] <drale2k> so that i can serve webfonts even in offline mode?
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  117. # [02:20] <tw2113> i'd hope so drale2k
  118. # [02:25] <tw2113> they're files just like images and css files
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  121. # [02:40] <drale2k> tw2113: hm yeah, i am wondering if they can be used as fonts later from the cache or just stored
  122. # [02:40] <tw2113> don't see why not
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  124. # [02:41] <drale2k> when you import the font you have to give the source path
  125. # [02:42] <drale2k> ok you need that too for .js or css files
  126. # [02:42] <drale2k> nevermind
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  128. # [02:42] <tw2113> use relative paths
  129. # [02:43] <drale2k> actually it should work with absolute paths too
  130. # [02:43] <drale2k> how would you cache a wordpress site
  131. # [02:43] <drale2k> where all the asset paths are absolute
  132. # [02:43] <drale2k> style.css, script.js etc
  133. # [02:43] <tw2113> not 100% sure as i've never tried cache.manifest with WP yet
  134. # [02:45] <drale2k> me too
  135. # [02:45] <drale2k> i need to setup some blog or something and write things like that down after testing
  136. # [02:45] <drale2k> or i will forget
  137. # [02:45] <tw2113> http://patrick.bloggles.info/2011/07/03/use-html5-cache-manifest-in-wordpress-themes/
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  139. # [02:48] <drale2k> he is using relative paths
  140. # [02:48] <drale2k> hm
  141. # [02:48] <drale2k> kk i got it, always relative paths
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  143. # [02:49] <drale2k> it has nothing to do with the servers path to the file, the cache just remembers the url and servers the requested files
  144. # [02:49] <tw2113> i'm just googling
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  147. # [02:53] <drale2k> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7042834/is-it-possible-to-load-webfonts-through-the-offline-storage-cache-manifest
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  149. # [02:54] * tw2113 prefers @font-face anyway, so that's a win
  150. # [02:54] <drale2k> font-face you will need to use anyway
  151. # [02:54] <drale2k> the bad thing is that if you use typekit, your fonts won`t work offline
  152. # [02:54] <tw2113> easy solution..don't use typekit :D
  153. # [02:55] <drale2k> heh yeah but it`s a great service :P
  154. # [02:55] <drale2k> great font
  155. # [02:55] <drale2k> s
  156. # [02:55] <tw2113> i stick to fontsquirrel
  157. # [02:55] <drale2k> or google fonts
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  159. # [02:56] <drale2k> i don?t like to rely on any external services anway
  160. # [02:57] <drale2k> like facebook, i will never implement that "like" button again
  161. # [02:57] <tw2113> how about a +1 ?
  162. # [02:57] <drale2k> it slows down the page soo much
  163. # [02:57] <drale2k> did not try it but as far as my experience goes google is more reliable on that
  164. # [02:57] <drale2k> on speed
  165. # [02:58] <tw2113> i like how twitter simply has a url you can point to to post a status update
  166. # [02:58] <drale2k> yeah thats perfect
  167. # [02:58] <tw2113> so you just have to type in that link and make it clickable
  168. # [02:58] <drale2k> you get that little popup where you can tweet it
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  236. # [05:38] <BlueG> I'm a bit confused about the interaction of sections and headings. It looks like within a section, an h1 is a lower rank than an h2 that follows it. Why is that?
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  238. # [05:43] <tw2113> i believe the justification of reclassifying headings is that once you enter a section, the first heading is likely meant as the most important, thus you can use the <h1> tag on it again
  239. # [05:43] <tw2113> it's all hierarchical
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  243. # [05:53] <tw2113> BlueG
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  252. # [06:10] <BlueG> tw2113: but why does an h2 heading appear to be higher than the h1 heading in the same section?
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  255. # [06:11] <JonathanNeal> ahoy
  256. # [06:11] <tw2113> it shouldn't be
  257. # [06:12] <tw2113> body h1 h2 section/ h1 h2 /section h2 section/ h1 h2 h3 h4 /section
  258. # [06:12] <tw2113> try to visualize that hierarchically
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  261. # [06:15] <BlueG> What I am seeing is that if I put an h1 at the beginning of a section, it comes out in a smaller font that h2s that are further down in the section, in both Firefox and Chromium. But it looks right when outlined at http://gsnedders.html5.org/outliner/
  262. # [06:16] <tw2113> then it's probably a css thing
  263. # [06:18] <BlueG> tw2113: Well, it would have to be the browser default stylesheets, since there are no author styles being applied. Shouldn't the browser default style sheets reflect the semantics of the markup?
  264. # [06:20] <BlueG> On the other hand, it seems like it would be nearly impossible to write styles that would appropriately display headings in all context. But still, one would expect the h1 to appear larger than the h2. The presence of the explicit section element appears to make the h1 shrink.
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  267. # [06:23] <tw2113> if the browsers are fully complied, i would hope so
  268. # [06:24] <tw2113> hard to tell
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  337. # [10:54] <scrooge-mcduck> hello
  338. # [10:54] <scrooge-mcduck> does anyone here have experience with video element?
  339. # [10:56] <ravenzz> define experience
  340. # [10:56] <ravenzz> what do you need?
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  349. # [11:23] <scrooge-mcduck> ralphholzmann: the problem is that it always downloads the video file in full
  350. # [11:23] <scrooge-mcduck> so it takes a long time before the page is finished loading
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  352. # [11:32] <whitman> Is anyone successfully using ie9s developer tools with the html5 boilerplate? On a site I'm developing and html5boilerplate.com the HTML tab just displays 'Loading...' instead of the page source.
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  354. # [11:33] <jetienne> scrooge-mcduck: see http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/video.html#attr-media-preload preload may be what you want
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  358. # [11:36] <scrooge-mcduck> thanks
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  361. # [11:54] <scrooge-mcduck> seems to work :)
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  363. # [11:55] <jetienne> cool
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  459. # [16:13] <moo-_-> any hints how to create pie style progress bar with CSS3?
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  470. # [16:31] <JanSch> hi. is there a simple way to check if an audio element is FULLY loaded?
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  473. # [16:39] <JanSch> mozilla defines a networkState property that would allow me to do that, but HTML5 seems to define it differently
  474. # [16:40] <miketaylr> there's an event you can listen for
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  478. # [16:40] <miketaylr> canplaythrough i think JanSch
  479. # [16:41] <nlogax> iirc, that doesn't mean it's fully loaded, just that it should be able to play through all of it without stopping
  480. # [16:41] <miketaylr> yeah nlogax is right
  481. # [16:41] <JanSch> that only says that the browser assumes that it will be able to load the missing parts before playback reaches them.
  482. # [16:41] <nlogax> based on dice roll, position of planets etc
  483. # [16:41] <JanSch> yeah
  484. # [16:41] <miketaylr> but would a browser ever lie to you!?
  485. # [16:42] <miketaylr> ::troll face::
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  487. # [16:42] <nlogax> i've never trusted klingons^Wbrowsers, and i never will.
  488. # [16:44] <miketaylr> i wonder if the ol' new Image(); img.src = foo. img.onload = bar() trick works w/ audio/video
  489. # [16:45] <nlogax> you forgot to set onload before setting src
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  491. # [16:45] <nlogax> /o\
  492. # [16:46] <miketaylr> sorry, i was writing in Dart
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  553. # [18:54] <moshee> omg w3conf is in seattle
  554. # [18:54] <moshee> I should go
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  557. # [18:59] <divya> moshee: are u in seattle
  558. # [18:59] <moshee> greater seattle yeah
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  560. # [18:59] <divya> o nice
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  565. # [19:01] <tantek> divya - and they've even improved their markup too
  566. # [19:01] <tantek> now with microformats (e.g. hCalendar for the event)
  567. # [19:02] <divya> haha so i noticed!
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