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  20. # [00:20] <Lebannen> simensen: so you're using an application cache?
  21. # [00:21] <simensen> Lebannen: I'm using stock mobile boilerplate
  22. # [00:21] <simensen> more or less as-is. i was just starting to tweak it and was noticing that my changes to index.html were never being shown.
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  24. # [00:23] <Lebannen> simensen: you may need to do some reading up on the app cache :) In a nutshell, if one is available, it's checked on visit; if it's had any changes to the text (even as comments), it's treated as a change, and all the resources are downloaded again. You'll then need to reload the page to see the changes.
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  26. # [00:23] <simensen> how do you do development w/ an appcache then?
  27. # [00:23] <simensen> do you have to constantly touch the file to do development?
  28. # [00:24] <Lebannen> Personally, I generate it with a script, which includes a comment based on the last modified date within certain directories
  29. # [00:24] <Lebannen> other people use a timestamp or something similar - just be careful it's the same at start and end of the load
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  31. # [00:25] <simensen> so you have to run your script any time you want to see changes you've made?
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  60. # [01:20] <paul_irish> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Mozilla-developers-consider-even-shorter-release-cycle-1347013.html every 5 weeks.
  61. # [01:20] <bot-t> (27 hours 40 mins ago) <eddiemonge> tell paul_irish are you free to give a jquery talk in oakland on october 25th? like the 10 things i learned talk?
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  63. # [01:20] <paul_irish> MAYBE
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  66. # [01:23] <paul_irish> The reason we "only" have 2/3rds [on ff 5/6/7] is we haven't pulled our big lever (prompt 3.6 users to update). We will be doing so soon and 3.6 will disappear weeks after.
  67. # [01:23] <paul_irish> ^ good news
  68. # [01:26] <daleharvey> heh I just pinged you on twitter :D
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  78. # [01:34] <nlogax> [C
  79. # [01:34] <nlogax> disregard that
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  81. # [01:37] <BrianBlakely> Does someone know how I can test WebRTC right now?
  82. # [01:38] <divya> is there not an ericsson webkit build?
  83. # [01:39] <daleharvey> didnt they have the mobile webgl stuff?
  84. # [01:39] <BrianBlakely> divya: I believe I saw something like that, but no Mac version IIRC
  85. # [01:39] <divya> o i c
  86. # [01:40] <BrianBlakely> Looks pretty complicated: http://www.webrtc.org/reference/getting-started
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  88. # [01:40] <BrianBlakely> I really want to put together a WebRTC+Fullscreen demo though, so I guess I need to tough it out
  89. # [01:41] <BrianBlakely> I hope their build supports the latter...
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  91. # [01:41] <BrianBlakely> (it probably doesn't…)
  92. # [01:41] <BrianBlakely> daleharvey: What's that about mobile WebGL?
  93. # [01:42] <paul_irish> ff mobile has webgl
  94. # [01:43] <daleharvey> I just vaguely remember that it was erickson with the first demo of webkit with webgl, I may be wrong
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  99. # [01:49] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: Wish I had some usage numbers on FFm
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  105. # [01:51] <simensen> Lebannen: so, thanks for the appcache hint. Is there a boilerplate "gotcha" list somewhere to help new developers figure out what might be sticking points when they first start trying to use either boilerplate?
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  108. # [01:52] <Lebannen> simensen: I don't know much about boilerplate I'm afraid :) One for the rest of the room… paul_irish?
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  110. # [01:53] <simensen> i lost an hour or two trying to get rolling on mobile boilerplate just because of the appcache issue. and sure, maybe i should have known about that beforehand, but i can't be the only person who might not understand the impact of certain things being enabled (by default!). :)
  111. # [01:53] <divya> simensen: whats up?
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  113. # [01:53] <divya> whats your problemo?
  114. # [01:53] <divya> you can also contact the mailing list http://h5bp.com/group
  115. # [01:53] <simensen> last time i tried i think i must have used the standard html5 boilerplate and upon checking i see it doesn't have appcache stuff enabled by default?
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  117. # [01:54] <simensen> divya: i had what i thought to be some weird aggressive cache things going on. you tried to help me a bit a few nights ago.
  118. # [01:54] <divya> o did I?
  119. # [01:54] <paul_irish> there is no appcache by default but you can use the buildscript to make one.
  120. # [01:54] <divya> hah
  121. # [01:54] <paul_irish> running an appcache makes iterative development difficult :)
  122. # [01:55] <simensen> paul_irish: indeed. i've never tried to use one before and didn't know much about it. and it is enabled by default on the mobile boilerplate.
  123. # [01:55] <divya> o
  124. # [01:56] <monteslu> paul_irish, can't comment directly on your g+ post, but I'd love to have canary. Just can't seem to find the download for linux :)
  125. # [01:56] <Lebannen> simensen: oh in answer to your earlier dynamic app cache question - the file the manifest url resolves to is a cache, which outputs the syntax and also the comment including the calculated last modified timestamp. But it's still not as fast as developing without an app cache on, because of the reload required at the end of the load...
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  127. # [01:56] <paul_irish> monteslu: yeah no canary for linux :(
  128. # [01:57] <paul_irish> i dont know what the situation there is for regularly updating chromium builds
  129. # [01:57] <paul_irish> canary is every 60 revisions, afaik
  130. # [01:57] <simensen> is there a list of gotchas out there for either boilerplate? for people new to them?
  131. # [01:57] <paul_irish> there are docs for both
  132. # [01:57] <simensen> i'm wondering if there is anything else turned on by default that might snag me early.
  133. # [01:57] <monteslu> I wouldn't mind it if I could run stable and beta, or dev.
  134. # [01:57] <paul_irish> but appcache issues are independent of the boilerplate
  135. # [01:58] <monteslu> maybe I can setup a chroot or something to do it
  136. # [01:58] <paul_irish> and it sounds like you're not really comfortable using an appcache....
  137. # [01:58] <paul_irish> i think you should remove it
  138. # [01:58] <simensen> paul_irish: i think i will. :)
  139. # [01:59] <simensen> for now, anyway. my only reason for discussing it here (now, anyway) is that it is on by default and the ramifications of that aren't really clear to someone who has never played with an appcache before.
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  142. # [02:05] <simensen> in any event, thank you all for your help.
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  145. # [02:13] <fourcolors> hi all, I was wondering if it's "correct" or ok to next sections like... <section><section></section></section>
  146. # [02:13] <fourcolors> in html5 that is
  147. # [02:14] <divya> fourcolors: just use divs
  148. # [02:14] <fourcolors> so a section then a div?
  149. # [02:14] <fourcolors> or both divs?
  150. # [02:15] <fourcolors> I guess I'm confused on what sections are for, are they for mini sections ore large sections etc
  151. # [02:15] <divya> fourcolors: if you are confused then just use divs
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  153. # [02:16] <fourcolors> um.. that's not a very good way to learn. I'm trying to increase my understanding
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  170. # [02:30] <daleharvey> fourcolors: you could markup your entire site in font tags and it probably wouldnt make a difference :P its not really worth learning, imo at least
  171. # [02:31] <fourcolors> ok thanks
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  210. # [03:37] <tawhid111> hello is anyone in here
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  238. # [04:45] <paul_irish> webgl luma key video omg http://sp0t.org/videoriot/
  239. # [04:49] <ryanseddon> that makes me feel sick
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  241. # [04:52] <tawhid111> hi
  242. # [04:52] <tawhid111> ryanseddon
  243. # [04:53] <ryanseddon> hi tawhid111
  244. # [04:53] <tawhid111> could someone help me with this
  245. # [04:53] <tawhid111> http://www.daaq.net/hvcc/examples/ciss_221_data_files/tutorial.09/case3/
  246. # [04:53] <tawhid111> here are the case files
  247. # [04:53] <tawhid111> tutorial is to login with cookie
  248. # [04:54] <tawhid111> Using cookies for a login function
  249. # [04:54] <tawhid111> This case that I'm working involves making a login page for an online shop which remembers a user through the use of cookies. After logging in, the valUser() function validates the login and creates two cookies that remember the user. If the user has already provided login information the deterUser() function determines this and does not display the login section but displays an 'enter' button
  250. # [04:54] <tawhid111> in its stead. I'm having trouble debugging my javascript functions for the file; the script is below. If you need any more clarification or additional code please let me know.
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  347. # [08:54] <grantg> What's this Google Dart I'm hearing about?
  348. # [08:55] <grantg> It better have strong typing. :|
  349. # [08:55] <grantg> paul_irish: Any docs on it?
  350. # [08:56] <grantg> yet?
  351. # [08:58] <grantg> Wait, is it called dash or dart? I just saw two different names on the net. D:
  352. # [09:01] <grantg> source - https://gist.github.com/1208618
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  354. # [09:03] <grantg> "Is Dash statically typed and toolable?
  355. # [09:03] <grantg> Dash is optionally-typed and with judicious use of types is as toolable as
  356. # [09:03] <grantg> Java. This enables “grown up” developer tools such as code-refactoring,
  357. # [09:03] <grantg> while still allowing small-scale or experimental projects the flexibility
  358. # [09:03] <grantg> that dynamism provides."
  359. # [09:03] <grantg> So kinda like actionscript. :|
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  431. # [12:49] <solsTiCe> when I use size="1" on input type="number" on opera it size it to 1 pixel !
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  438. # [13:01] <narcarsis> is their a way to chnge the html5 form popup theme?
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  449. # [13:29] <narcarsis> when adding the onsubmit part in html it breaks the hole sumbit feature and nothing gets added to the url prefix anymore? <button type=validate onsubmit="form_validation();">Valadate it!</button>
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  451. # [13:37] <Moo^_-> narcarsis: can you repeat the problem on jsfiddle.net
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  458. # [13:50] <narcarsis> http://jsfiddle.net/ApJAF/ ok so i'm trying to get it to validate and compare 2 emails but i cant seem to get it to work. i fixed the other problem
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  465. # [13:58] <louisremi> Have you guys noticed that when using a gradient -ms-filter for semi-transparent backround color, users can click through your element?
  466. # [13:58] <louisremi> (IE only of course) pretty annoying
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  468. # [13:59] <narcarsis> Not on mine?
  469. # [14:00] <narcarsis> just checked not even on ie (9)
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  566. # [16:21] <paul_irish> http://longtermlaziness.wordpress.com/2011/09/23/kingjsdoc/ :)
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  568. # [16:25] <PrgmrBill> that is a surprisingly readable site, despite the exotic background
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  572. # [16:30] <narcarsis> so much for margin:auto:
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  597. # [17:11] <lessless> i cannt get rid of idea that 'table-cell' vertical align is not working out of the box in boilerplate template, is this so ? :)
  598. # [17:11] <divya> wat
  599. # [17:11] <divya> we dont have a vertical align
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  602. # [17:14] <lessless> sorry, horizontal :)
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  763. # [21:42] <sphinxxx> is this possible? localStorage[id] = "test";
  764. # [21:42] <sphinxxx> where id is a varaible.. i can't see mto get it to work
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  769. # [21:51] <ShooterMG> Can/Do HTML5 apps be cached in a mobile browser for offline viewing?
  770. # [21:51] <ShooterMG> or does it vary from browser/device
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  774. # [21:59] <xenocom> I'm not sure if this is HTML5 specific... but I have an iframe with inline content (not loaded from a URL), and in firefox it shows the content but empties it out once the page is done loading.... any ideas?
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  788. # [22:27] <Jon47> ShooterMG it varies by device, see http://caniuse.com/#search=offline
  789. # [22:27] <ShooterMG> awesome, thanks!
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  791. # [22:36] <ShooterMG> sounds most devices support it, with the exception being windows phone
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  794. # [22:36] <ShooterMG> or rather, most mobile browsers that support html5, except for IE
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  850. # [23:43] <JonathanNeal> Re: https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/issues/788 paul_irish , divya , truth to this?
  851. # [23:43] <socialhapy> ★ Issue #788 on html5-boilerplate, reported by rhulse (19m, 20s ago): CSS Media all is NOT implied
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