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  1. # Session Start: Sat Sep 24 00:00:00 2011
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  6. # [00:05] <nuba> w
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  16. # [00:09] <Crell> Hey look, there is an HTML5 channel!
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  19. # [00:09] <Crell> Are questions about implementing HTML5 features in a CMS legit here?
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  22. # [00:10] <tw2113> is it html5 related?
  23. # [00:10] <Crell> Manifest file.
  24. # [00:10] <tw2113> sounds like it
  25. # [00:10] <tw2113> proceed
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  27. # [00:11] <Crell> Well, first question, if a page as a manifest file referenced it gets appcached itself. However, when I then reload the page all of the CSS files it references (which are not in the manifest file) seem to be skipped.
  28. # [00:11] <Crell> According to Firebug's Net tab, it has an open attempt for all of them but they're all just spinning without responding.
  29. # [00:12] <Crell> Is that expected behavior? Files referenced by an HTML page but not in the manifest are not re-downloaded (presumably unless they're in the NETWORK section)?
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  32. # [00:12] <tw2113> *shrug* i don't have much manifest know-how, but i just wanted to let you know it was the right room :D
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  34. # [00:13] <Crell> bah! :-)
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  48. # [00:32] <nuba> hey folks, is there any mobile framework or widget library which you'd recommend as a starting point for someone wanting to build his own library, not worried about looking like the native widgets (apple, android, etc)?
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  50. # [00:34] <nuba> probably projects like joapp.com, but stepping as little as possible in the js application real (that one I've got covered already)
  51. # [00:34] <Crell> So you just want a packaging system to turn an HTML5 app into a mobile app?
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  54. # [00:36] <nuba> no, that I have, what I want is just UI elements, components, which I'll use to build my interface.
  55. # [00:36] <nuba> something focused mostly on the html + css, like stubornella's oocss
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  57. # [00:38] <nuba> stubbornella*
  58. # [00:38] <nuba> (two ls)
  59. # [00:38] <nuba> :)
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  72. # [00:54] <Crell> nuba: PhoneGap, maybe? Not sure if it has a UI library.
  73. # [00:55] <Crell> Or SenchaTouch, which is a richer JS framework with its own Ui library.
  74. # [00:55] <nuba> using phonegap already, it's a different creature.
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  76. # [00:56] <nuba> i think this i'm longing for would rally fall in the same basked as oocss
  77. # [00:56] <nuba> really*
  78. # [00:56] <Crell> Don't know that one.
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  89. # [01:09] <Moo^_-> nuba: you want native UI components in HTML style?
  90. # [01:10] <Moo^_-> highlight on the word native
  91. # [01:10] <Moo^_-> titanium appcelerator does it
  92. # [01:10] <nuba> no, I want UI components who couldn't care less about looking like native ones :)
  93. # [01:10] <Moo^_-> nuba: then jquery mobile :)
  94. # [01:10] <Moo^_-> sencha touch if you are building data-driven business application
  95. # [01:10] <Moo^_-> but it is usually overkill for non-excel-clones
  96. # [01:11] <Lebannen> Crell: I *think* if you don't have a NETWORK: * setting, what you describe could be expected behaviour
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  99. # [01:12] <Crell> Lebannen: That's my working theory. However, I cannot actually test that without clearing the cache. :-)
  100. # [01:13] <nuba> i've used jquerymobile already, i'm looking for something just focused on the html+css and with little, if anything, js touch-up. guess i'll pick one of these frameworks and skin away just what I want.
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  104. # [01:15] <Crell> You can just CSS the HTML form elements directly if you want.
  105. # [01:15] <Crell> On modern browsers they are quite themable.
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  126. # [01:49] <chovy> anyone going to SF HTML5 conference on 9/27?
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  130. # [01:57] <wyszo> just came back from html 5 games conference in Poland a couple of hours ago ;)
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  142. # [02:05] <danja> scuse guys, anyone here working on iso html?
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  145. # [02:13] <Moo^_-> excellent shit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrFpqmgv2DY
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  150. # [02:26] <Chat131682356426> Hi, im just testing an irc app on my blackberry playbook. Are you guys an active and friendly bunch???
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  153. # [02:33] <Moo^_-> apparently not
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  218. # [05:03] <thatryan> totally just geek pinged you paul_irish ;)
  219. # [05:04] <Hail_Spacecake> so, I'm trying to write a web app
  220. # [05:04] <Hail_Spacecake> that is mostly javascript doing complicated things to pieces of data in the browser
  221. # [05:05] <Hail_Spacecake> but every so often it needs to either get a list of words from a database or write a list of words to a database
  222. # [05:05] <Hail_Spacecake> and I"m not sure what hte best way to implement the backend part of this is
  223. # [05:05] <Hail_Spacecake> I guess php/mysql is how this is traditionally done
  224. # [05:05] <Hail_Spacecake> but I don't know php
  225. # [05:05] <Hail_Spacecake> I know python, but I don't know any python web frameworks
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  416. # [13:28] <everythingWorks> just like <x role="sth" />
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  526. # [17:40] <[E]sc> is it possible to do ajax without the jquery using only html5 code?
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  533. # [18:03] <moo-_-> [E]sc: it is possible using HTML4 era Javascript
  534. # [18:03] <moo-_-> HTML5 is not needed
  535. # [18:03] <moo-_-> people have been doing it since year 2004
  536. # [18:03] <moo-_-> [E]sc: what you are looking for is called XmlHttpRequest
  537. # [18:04] <moo-_-> [E]sc: look for it in developer.mozilla.org
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  540. # [18:07] <[E]sc> moo-_-, thanks...someone told me that it might be possible using async="" to do ajax...
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  543. # [18:15] <moo-_-> [E]sc: I am not someone
  544. # [18:15] <moo-_-> go to Mozilla Development Network and figure it out
  545. # [18:16] <[E]sc> lol ok thanks moo-_-
  546. # [18:18] <moo-_-> [E]sc: here is another tutorial http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html
  547. # [18:18] <moo-_-> old though
  548. # [18:18] <moo-_-> but it is much simpler to do it with a library like jquery
  549. # [18:18] <moo-_-> so why not to use jquery
  550. # [18:19] <[E]sc> i was seeing if it was possible, just to get a feel of html5 more...but jquery is like the most logical way
  551. # [18:19] <[E]sc> thanks again moo-_-
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  555. # [18:38] <moo-_-> [E]sc: jQuery doesn't do anything magical. It is just an open source Javascript library running on your page. You can do manually all things jQuery do if you wish.
  556. # [18:38] <moo-_-> but jQuery has been built to make those things easy, so if you prefer easy way I'd suggest to stick with jQuery :)
  557. # [18:39] <[E]sc> sounds like a good way to go,...although i haven't gotten a good grasp of it yet...that's why i'm a little hesitate about using it..
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  590. # [19:41] <notbrent> what's the proper html5 tag to use for a blog short description? ie shows the title, date, link, and one paragraph of the post
  591. # [19:41] <notbrent> it seems article isn't quite appropriate
  592. # [19:44] <tw2113> personally, i feel <header> is good for all but the 1 paragraph part
  593. # [19:46] <notbrent> https://gist.github.com/2f9b7889a3c98acf22f7
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  595. # [19:47] <notbrent> tw2113: i agree, i'm unsure about the wrapping element though, and now that you mention it, the abbreviated post body
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  599. # [19:47] <tw2113> i can't claim much use of hgroup
  600. # [19:48] <tw2113> personally, i would probably get rid of the section tag and just jump into <p>'s
  601. # [19:48] <tw2113> but that's me
  602. # [19:48] <tw2113> the use of article looks fine to me though
  603. # [19:50] <notbrent> yeah i thought about that
  604. # [19:50] <notbrent> but then as i'm writing individual posts, i can't really use the paragraph element
  605. # [19:50] <notbrent> or at least, it would be very awkward in terms of semantics
  606. # [19:51] <notbrent> (this is a template that will be filled in from other files written in markdown)
  607. # [19:51] <tw2113> why?
  608. # [19:51] <notbrent> so if i opened a post with a <p> then i'd have <p><p>
  609. # [19:51] <tw2113> p's are still perfectly fine
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  611. # [19:52] <tw2113> no no, starting after the <header> go with <p>'s
  612. # [19:52] <tw2113> all within the <article>
  613. # [19:52] <notbrent> yeah, that could work
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  643. # [20:52] <dilvie> Hi. =)
  644. # [20:53] <dilvie> We launched our new HTML5 music player for BandPage this week. =)
  645. # [20:53] <dilvie> I wrote the HTML5 audio bits. Fun! =)
  646. # [20:55] <divya> link?
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  651. # [20:59] <dilvie> http://rootmusic.com/ for the editor. http://listn.to/morganpage for an example of the player.
  652. # [20:59] <dilvie> uses flash if it's enabled. Disable flash for the HTML5 audio. =)
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