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- # [00:24] <andrewjbaker> OK, who wants to fire up the fan on their computer?
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- # [00:25] <andrewjbaker> I've just finished my entry for an HTML5 games contest. Been working on it all day.
- # [00:25] <andrewjbaker> http://andrewjbaker.github.com/Killer-Satellite/
- # [00:25] <andrewjbaker> It's an HTML5 2D canvas real-time ray traced Killer Comet clone.
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- # [04:19] <bmh> I'm interested in the best practices for dealing with canvas ImageData. In particular, I'm finding that redrawing the whole canvas is "too damn slow" and want to cache my pixels.
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- # [04:39] <alejopardo> alguien para charlar
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- # [06:07] <mwhudson> does css3 count as a friend of html5?
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- # [06:08] <divya> yes
- # [06:08] <tw2113> i heard they eloped this weekend
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- # [06:10] <mwhudson> i was wondering if there's any way of referring to the number of children of an element in a css value
- # [06:10] <mwhudson> basically i want three things to have width: 33.3%, two things to have width: 50% etc etc
- # [06:11] <tw2113> is the order ever going to change?
- # [06:11] <mwhudson> no
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- # [06:11] <tw2113> sounds like either :nth-child() or :nth-of-type() would help
- # [06:12] * mwhudson thinks
- # [06:12] <mwhudson> i don't see how, sorry?
- # [06:12] <tw2113> http://css-tricks.com/5452-how-nth-child-works/
- # [06:13] <tw2113> will explain better than i can
- # [06:14] <mwhudson> on reading more i think what i actually want is css3 flexboxes
- # [06:14] <mwhudson> i wonder if anything implements them :)
- # [06:15] <tw2113> http://caniuse.com/#search=flex
- # [06:16] <mwhudson> ah not too bad
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- # [07:52] <JohnnyL> how can one retrieve HTML over JSONP?
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- # [07:59] <miguet> JohnnyL: look up the encoding.
- # [08:00] <JohnnyL> miguet: no
- # [08:00] <miguet> why not?
- # [08:00] <gf3> awkward
- # [08:00] <miguet> just a bunch of links?
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- # [08:04] <JohnnyL> i gaveit a shot in google. no good.
- # [08:04] <JohnnyL> it wants to replace jsonp with json.
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- # [08:26] <JonathanNeal> Yo!
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- # [08:27] <gf3> no
- # [08:27] <JonathanNeal> :| Hi
- # [08:29] <gf3> hiya
- # [08:29] <JonathanNeal> YES
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- # [08:31] <JonathanNeal> I don't love <hgroup>
- # [08:32] <ryanseddon> traitor!
- # [08:32] <JonathanNeal> It's unforgiving, no children but <hX>
- # [08:33] <ryanseddon> hence the name hgroup
- # [08:33] <JonathanNeal> What is its purpose?
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- # [08:33] <ryanseddon> to group headers
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- # [08:35] <JonathanNeal> For what purpose?
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- # [08:36] <JonathanNeal> I wish hgroup allowed for more than just <hX> children.
- # [08:37] <JonathanNeal> And grouped any headings inside of it together as part of the outline.
- # [08:38] <ryanseddon> hgroup ignores all but the first heading in the outline i thought?
- # [08:38] <JonathanNeal> It ignores all but the most important
- # [08:39] <JonathanNeal> I think you can put <hgroup><h2/><h1/></hgroup> and even outliner will recognize the second <h1/> as the primary header.
- # [08:39] <ryanseddon> but why would you do that?
- # [08:40] <JohnnyL> can you even use JSONP with HTML?
- # [08:41] <JonathanNeal> <h2>Masters of the Universe</h2><h1>HE-MANM</h1>
- # [08:41] <JonathanNeal> When Masters of the Universe is being used like a tagline.
- # [08:41] <JonathanNeal> And not as part of the hierarchy.
- # [08:43] <JonathanNeal> or <h2>There are some things money can't buy</h2> coming before "for everything else there's MASTERCARD"
- # [08:44] <JonathanNeal> Maybe like those?
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- # [09:10] <mwhudson> is there css(3) for "first child of an element that matches some other selector"?
- # [09:11] <mwhudson> my understanding is the :first-child only selects the first child of an element, irrespective of other selectors
- # [09:12] <tw2113> http://reference.sitepoint.com/css/pseudoclass-firstoftype
- # [09:13] * mwhudson finds http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3615518/css-selector-to-select-first-element-of-a-given-class
- # [09:13] <tw2113> for a nice list of a bunch of them: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200601/css_3_selectors_explained/
- # [09:13] <mwhudson> first-of-type doesn't work
- # [09:14] <tw2113> did nth-of-type(1) not work?
- # [09:15] <mwhudson> no, because i want the first of a given class not a given type
- # [09:15] <tw2113> ahh you're trying to target classes?
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- # [09:18] <mwhudson> yeah
- # [09:18] <mwhudson> the stackoverflow trick actually works very nicely for what i'm trying to do
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- # [09:18] <tw2113> i believe the pseudo-selectors are for dom elements and not class attributes
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- # [15:37] <justinfront> Hi I am having problems with IE. I am trying to appendChild to absolute Div that has backgroundColor set.
- # [15:38] <justinfront> Do I need to explain further does anyone know about this problem
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- # [17:12] <speakman> hi folks! I'm trying to do a "full screen" web page for mobile phones, but no even when there's nothing "wide" on the screen it still becomes scrollable. It does fit without scrolling!
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- # [17:14] <speakman> Oh, just found <meta content=initial-scale=1.0;" bla blah blah>. Never seen before, but it fixed my issue.
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- # [18:31] <moo-_-> speakman: yo
- # [18:31] <moo-_-> speakman: let me warn you viewport is tricky and little buggy on older androids
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- # [18:33] <speakman> moo-_-: thanks I'll look that up
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- # [19:34] <chovy> anyone going to html5devconf tomorrow?
- # [19:38] <tantek> URL?
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- # [19:40] <slbdp> http://www.html5devconf.com/
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- # [19:47] <chovy> i think it's a good deal for $100 if you live in the area.
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- # [22:07] <paul_irish> ?hero @ JonathanNeal
- # [22:07] <bot-t> JonathanNeal, <linda_hoxman>: HERO HERO HERO HERO HERO HERO
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- # [22:08] <JonathanNeal> hero?
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- # [22:13] <JonathanNeal> I don't know what I did but thanks paul_irish :)
- # [22:13] <paul_irish> your tweets
- # [22:13] <paul_irish> .tweet jon_neal
- # [22:13] <socialhapy> ★ Tweet from jon_neal: I should be upfront. I'm on a mission to encourage #html5 adoption, end #ie 6/7/8, and patch #js libraries where and when needed. ★ http://bit.ly/qVZdwa
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- # [22:14] <JonathanNeal> oh :)
- # [22:14] <JonathanNeal> danke
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- # [22:24] <JonathanNeal> Does anyone here know of any device or company or major government that does not use javascript?
- # [22:24] <Pilate> Amish Intelligence Agency
- # [22:25] <Pilate> or the AIA
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- # [22:44] <moo-_-> JonathanNeal: I think only thin clients like Opera Mini might have issues, but they nowadays run most Javascript correctly
- # [22:44] <moo-_-> JonathanNeal: your question is too broad
- # [22:44] <moo-_-> "maybe"
- # [22:45] <chovy> Pilate: nice.
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- # [22:45] <chovy> JonathanNeal: there are few reasons to support non-js these days.
- # [22:46] <chovy> accessibliity browsing has come a long way in the last few years to support js, from what I understand.
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- # [22:58] <JonathanNeal> chovy, moo-_-, Pilate, I hear people talk about non-JS solutions, and I don't understand why.
- # [22:58] <JonathanNeal> Especially when, say, in HTML5 Boilerplate, the IE6/7/8 browser specific classname is done without JS.
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- # [23:01] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish: why do you like that JS-free solution for browser classnames?
- # [23:01] <paul_irish> cuz its js-free
- # [23:01] <Pilate> JonathanNeal: theres a very vocal .001% that use flashblock/noscript that think the rest of us should care
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- # [23:01] <paul_irish> and doesn't block rendering
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- # [23:02] <paul_irish> i wonder if the padolsey cc JS method would be smaller
- # [23:02] <JonathanNeal> what's the impact of blocking rendering for those classnames? has it been documented?
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- # [23:07] <chovy> Pilate: typically they would use noscript for blocking ads though.
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- # [23:22] <sandprickle> so paul_irish reccomends chrome stable+canary, but I run Linux. 2nd choice setup?
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- # [23:26] <Peter`> sandprickle: Your best option would be stable (or beta) + Chromium with an auto-update script
- # [23:26] <sandprickle> ok
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- # [23:27] <sandprickle> so compile Chromium form source?
- # [23:27] <sandprickle> *from
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- # [23:38] <paul_irish> sandprickle: http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/chromium-browser-continuous/index.html
- # [23:38] <paul_irish> binary builds.
- # [23:38] <paul_irish> there are autoupdate scripts but i dont know about them for linux
- # [23:39] <sandprickle> ok so I could just grab the latest build every few days?
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- # [23:39] <paul_irish> yes
- # [23:40] <paul_irish> if you find an autoupdate script for linux ( or write one) let me know
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- # [23:40] <paul_irish> old one you could iterate on https://github.com/jmcantrell/misc/blob/master/bin/latest-chromium
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- # [23:41] <paul_irish> http://www.toyota.com/itsacar/
- # [23:42] <sandprickle> ok i'll let you know if I do. Thanks Peter` and paul_irish
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