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  1. # Session Start: Tue Sep 27 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [00:00] <paul_irish> lol
  4. # [00:00] <paul_irish> i will be speaking on the topic of STUFF http://www.w3.org/conf/
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  6. # [00:01] <rupl> paul_irish: career complete
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  9. # [00:04] <robreact> that is one giant Microsoft logo
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  13. # [00:11] <JonathanNeal> That's great to see, paul_irish!
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  16. # [00:11] <sandprickle> paul_irish: what's the best way to edit that script on GitHub? I'm a GitHub newb
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  18. # [00:12] <paul_irish> download it
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  21. # [00:13] <sandprickle> than make a gist or something?
  22. # [00:13] <sandprickle> *then
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  55. # [00:58] <sandprickle> hmm trying to tweak this script; it still was looking at http://build.chromium.org/f/chromium/snapshots/ \n looks like new location (commondatastorage.googleapis.com...) uses a script to display the build folders
  56. # [00:59] <sandprickle> which complicates things a bit
  57. # [01:00] <sandprickle> sorry for the ininformed i'm trying to modify an autoupdate script for Chromium
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  76. # [01:37] <danbeam> ?csb @ dgathright
  77. # [01:37] <bot-t> dgathright, cool story, bro. http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt71/Pittsburghistan/xb9yt0jpg-1.gif
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  79. # [01:37] <danbeam> dgathright: there you go
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  86. # [01:47] <alcuadrado> Hi, dos HTML5 requiere type or language in script tags?
  87. # [01:49] <sandprickle> don't think so
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  91. # [01:53] <sandprickle> spec: http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/script.html
  92. # [01:53] <paul_irish> ff now has load event on stylesheets https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=185236
  93. # [01:54] <paul_irish> and added 3d transforms (finally?!)
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  96. # [01:57] <alcuadrado> yep, I read that afeter asking sandprickle :) thanks
  97. # [01:57] <sandprickle> alcuadrado: np
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  100. # [01:59] <sandprickle> whoa wait how long has Webkit had 3d transforms?
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  114. # [02:28] <paul_irish> sandprickle: .......
  115. # [02:29] <paul_irish> a while
  116. # [02:29] <paul_irish> oh maybe not
  117. # [02:29] <paul_irish> safari 4. chrome 13.
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  232. # [05:21] <paul_irish> (aka Yes)
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  284. # [07:13] <JohnnyL> how can you have a user of your website edit html to be safe? Or is that an oxymoron?
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  317. # [07:55] <moo-_-> JohnnyL: you clean up HTML on the server-side
  318. # [07:55] <moo-_-> safe HTML transformations exist for various programming languages
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  320. # [07:56] <moo-_-> JohnnyL: like this http://lxml.de/dev/lxmlhtml.html#cleaning-up-html
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  358. # [09:07] <mokush> what is the `proper` way to use <label>? using for="" or included the input inside it?
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  363. # [09:12] <JohnnyL> moo-_-: gratzie
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  366. # [09:21] <JohnnyL> moo-_-: are you into MOOs?
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  368. # [09:24] <moo-_-> JohnnyL: yes I am know for my habit of loving cows
  369. # [09:27] <JohnnyL> moo-_-: i like cows too, but I was talking of Multiuser Object Oriented dungeons
  370. # [09:27] <moo-_-> why you need them to be object oriented?
  371. # [09:27] <moo-_-> isn't plain old MUD enough?
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  467. # [11:42] <moo-_-> mokush: you mean column break?
  468. # [11:42] <mokush> yeah, but I've found a way using /a
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  484. # [12:06] <jetienne> strange question: is that possible to do a triangular element ? as opposed to the usual rectangular shape... (im looking on how to do 3D with DOM css transform)
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  491. # [12:13] <jetienne> http://css-tricks.com/examples/ShapesOfCSS/ is the answer. thanks :)
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  500. # [12:30] <gnarf> thats a nice link
  501. # [12:30] <gnarf> the shapes
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  512. # [12:39] <nlogax> OH GOD THE SHAPES
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  605. # [14:48] <Shazer2> hey
  606. # [14:48] <Shazer2> could someone help me out?
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  608. # [14:48] <andrewjbaker> Shazer2, just ask away dude... and those that can, will.
  609. # [14:49] <Shazer2> well, its a javascript question..
  610. # [14:49] <Shazer2> with a library called canvaslord
  611. # [14:49] <Shazer2> http://pastebin.com/GgkQZx3F
  612. # [14:50] <Shazer2> That's my code, but none of the blocks are displaying and keyboard input won't work.
  613. # [14:50] <Shazer2> I check the debugger, but nothing outputs, so I'm unsure.
  614. # [14:50] <Shazer2> #javascript
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  616. # [14:52] <andrewjbaker> Shazer2, how is initial execution triggered using canvaslord?
  617. # [14:53] <Shazer2> i'm not sure, there isn't much documentation and i just followed a tutorial
  618. # [14:53] <Shazer2> andrewjbaker
  619. # [14:53] <Shazer2> http://canvaslord.zxq.net/getting-started.html
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  622. # [14:55] <andrewjbaker> Shazer2, put an alert() in the eventStart() function to see if it's being executed.
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  624. # [14:56] <Shazer2> Well, andrewjbaker
  625. # [14:56] <Shazer2> the alert doesn't appear
  626. # [14:56] <Shazer2> but my bg is black and my image is loaded? :/
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  629. # [14:58] <andrewjbaker> Shazer2, nip on to #bbg mate.
  630. # [14:58] <Shazer2> WHat is #bbg?
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  803. # [17:16] <andrewjbaker> paul_irish, nice.
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  805. # [17:17] <f0f> still playing catchup to chrome
  806. # [17:18] <andrewjbaker> Fx JS performance has increased quite a lot tho'.
  807. # [17:18] <moo-_-> I installed FF mobile nightly today
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  809. # [17:18] <moo-_-> wroooooom
  810. # [17:19] <andrewjbaker> ^^
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  826. # [17:39] <JonathanNeal> Hi
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  858. # [18:10] <timmywil> i dont like what chrome did in the beta channel. text is all antialised it seems
  859. # [18:10] <timmywil> it's weird
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  862. # [18:11] <paul_irish> timmywil: yeah i sasw that on facebook. i think its the switch to skia but i'm not sure
  863. # [18:11] <paul_irish> also i just posted thissssss
  864. # [18:11] <paul_irish> http://paulirish.com/2011/browser-market-pollution-iex-is-the-new-ie6/
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  866. # [18:14] <andrewjbaker> paul_irish, what benefits does skia have over cairo?
  867. # [18:14] <paul_irish> n oidea.
  868. # [18:14] <paul_irish> but chrome has been on skia since day 0
  869. # [18:14] <paul_irish> except for the mac port
  870. # [18:14] <paul_irish> which was on core graphics, but is now on sia
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  872. # [18:15] <andrewjbaker> I notice there's a naclport for both cairo and skia.
  873. # [18:15] <paul_irish> interesting
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  876. # [18:16] <andrewjbaker> Run a browser in a browser anyone?^^
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  883. # [18:29] <paul_irish> can't you do that in gtk or something now?
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  925. # [19:16] <Aric> paul_irish: typo in your 76+ browser article, "Kind of like how we support Firefox 3.6 and 6, but not 5 or 6."
  926. # [19:17] <Aric> http://paulirish.com/2011/browser-market-pollution-iex-is-the-new-ie6/
  927. # [19:17] <Aric> just pointing it out so you can update
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  931. # [19:21] <paul_irish> thx aric!!!!!
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  958. # [20:13] <oneliner> quick question, if i were to simply swap the doctype declaration how likely is it that a html4.1 trans site would break/misbehave using doctypehtml ?
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  960. # [20:16] <oneliner> looks like i ll be getting the tias line
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  967. # [20:22] <hober> oneliner: nothing will visibly change
  968. # [20:22] <oneliner> hober swel, thanks
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  971. # [20:22] <msafi> How can I validate a page with something like the following HTML, "<li><g:plusone size="tall"></g:plusone></li>"?
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  974. # [20:24] <oneliner> msafi i am wildguessing you want to validate the actual dom code in memory once the g+ script replaced that tag?
  975. # [20:24] <hober> msafi: that doesn't validate
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  977. # [20:25] <hober> msafi: no conformance checker will say that's ok, because it doesn't conform to any spec
  978. # [20:25] <msafi> oneliner, this is the error: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwinkpress.com%2Fmembership-plugin%2Femember%2F
  979. # [20:25] <hober> msafi: or set of applicable specs
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  981. # [20:27] <oneliner> msafi, its an invalid tag, which get replaced by a running script (pretty much how facebook works too), you either accept this tag will never validate or try to validate by unit; fetch the dom construct that replaces that tag
  982. # [20:27] <oneliner> which in itself is not a validation since the error was already sent at parse time
  983. # [20:28] <msafi> I see. Okay, I'll just leave it like that then. Thanks a lot!
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  1032. # [21:07] <paul_irish> omg my https://github.com/dashboard/issues is totally overwhelming
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  1039. # [21:16] <franksalim> paul_irish: too many bugs?
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  1056. # [21:32] <paul_irish> so many bugs
  1057. # [21:33] <paul_irish> taylorRichie: sgtm
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  1059. # [21:37] <paul_irish> http://www.markus-falk.com/mobile-frameworks-comparison-chart/ o.o
  1060. # [21:38] <JonathanNeal> What's the rule for meta charset and how soon into the code it needs to be declared?
  1061. # [21:38] <taylorRichie> Thanks!
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  1063. # [21:39] <rupl> omfsm that is a wicked matrix
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  1066. # [21:41] <rupl> JonathanNeal: as high as possible, before any external calls like <link> or <script>
  1067. # [21:42] <JonathanNeal> There's a rule, it has to appear within the first X bytes, I recall.
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  1069. # [21:43] <JonathanNeal> 512 bytes, I think.
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  1073. # [21:44] <JonathanNeal> http://code.google.com/p/doctype/wiki/MetaCharsetAttribute
  1074. # [21:47] <rupl> JonathanNeal: nice. You still shouldn't slide in any CSS/JS calls before that <meta> even if it fits in 512 bytes - http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/webmasters-faq.html#charencoding
  1075. # [21:48] <hober> I don't believe the spec explicitly specifies the number of bytes within which <meta charset> has to appear
  1076. # [21:48] <hober> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/parsing.html#determining-the-character-encoding
  1077. # [21:49] <hober> specifically, "If at any point during these substeps the user agent either runs out of bytes or decides that scanning further bytes would not be efficient, then skip to the next step of the overall character encoding detection algorithm. User agents may decide that scanning any bytes is not efficient, in which case these substeps are entirely skipped."
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  1097. # [21:56] <paul_irish> i think it was first 512 bytes. then hixie changed it to first 1024 bytes
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  1099. # [21:57] <paul_irish> this was based on IE's behavior of content sniffing
  1100. # [21:57] <paul_irish> and then making all browsers to match Ie's behavior seemed unwise so its not that anymore
  1101. # [21:57] <paul_irish> i THINK
  1102. # [21:58] <hober> paul_irish: the spec uses 1024 as an example
  1103. # [21:58] <paul_irish> oic
  1104. # [21:58] <hober> but it's non-normative
  1105. # [21:58] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qyM37XKkmKQ#t=996s
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  1107. # [21:58] <paul_irish> i talk about utf-7 about charset
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  1121. # [22:05] <monteslu> how does anyone address a forum with "remember kid's"
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  1125. # [22:05] <monteslu> yeah, only someone fresh out of school would dismiss IE
  1126. # [22:06] <monteslu> whatever
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  1128. # [22:06] <monteslu> great article, btw paul_irish
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  1131. # [22:06] <paul_irish> thx
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  1137. # [22:10] <JonathanNeal> nice, thanks paul_irish
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  1140. # [22:12] <hober> Ms2ger: indeed
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  1147. # [22:21] <moo-_-> what's the preferred method to move footer to the bottom of the page / screen?
  1148. # [22:21] <moo-_-> does CSS3 provide new tricks there?
  1149. # [22:22] <sandprickle> clear: both;?
  1150. # [22:23] <moo-_-> sandprickle: no, I mean move footer to the bottom of the screen if page is too short
  1151. # [22:23] <sandprickle> ah let me think about that
  1152. # [22:24] <sandprickle> media queries should work
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  1154. # [22:25] <sandprickle> this would only be on some pages not all right?
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  1160. # [22:28] <sandprickle> I think you might need JS for that but I'm inexperienced
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  1165. # [22:34] <sandprickle> moo-_-: i'm thinking: grab the viewport height and computed height of content area; use that info to determine if you need to move the footer down
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  1168. # [22:35] <nlogax> if i do event.dataTransfer.setData("text", "hai"), should i be able to read it in that same event handler?
  1169. # [22:35] <nlogax> or in another one as the event bubbles. i fail at both. :)
  1170. # [22:36] <nlogax> can read it in the "drop" event, but then it's way too late.
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  1172. # [22:38] <moo-_-> sandprickle: yes this is something I have done hundreds of times with Javascript
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  1174. # [22:38] <moo-_-> I was hoping to know if there are any *smarter* solutions out there :)
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  1177. # [22:40] <sandprickle> moo-_-: you're smarter than me I can tell so i'll shut up now
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  1182. # [22:49] <nlogax> http://jsfiddle.net/9YK5s/1/
  1183. # [22:50] <nlogax> "Read/write mode
  1184. # [22:50] <nlogax> For the dragstart event. New data can be added to the drag data store."
  1185. # [22:50] <nlogax> the "Read" part makes it sound like i should be able to read it
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