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  44. # [00:49] <moo-_-> any examples of working mozilla @keyframes animations?
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  79. # [01:43] <delrio> Should all headings appear in an hgroup?
  80. # [01:44] <Moridine> delrio: I believe it's optional for 1 heading by itself
  81. # [01:44] <Moridine> but if you have more than one together they should be in a hgroup
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  86. # [01:49] <delrio> Moridine, thank you.
  87. # [01:50] <Moridine> delrio: you're welcome. Also no other element should be inside a hgroup other than headings
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  97. # [02:04] <delrio> Can you have a section inside of an aside?
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  100. # [02:07] <tw2113> yes
  101. # [02:09] <delrio> Would anybody have the time to look at some markup I wrote and possible give any feedback regarding the usage of tags and semantics?
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  207. # [04:06] <humph> paul_irish: at one point I remember you having/tweeting a web slide thing that used a webgl curved transition. got a link to that somewhere?
  208. # [04:06] <humph> it was light blue, slides sort of rolled in from left or right, around a cylinder
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  213. # [04:09] <humph> aha, found it http://hakim.se/experiments/css/slideshow/#/1
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  224. # [04:17] <chovy> delrio: sure
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  227. # [04:18] <delrio> chovy, http://pastie.org/2603285
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  230. # [04:20] <delrio> chovy, it seems fine according to W3's validator and the .nu one. It also looks good in the HTML outliner with the exception of the one "Untitled Section" from the nav element but I've read that nav and aside is semantically OK to be untitled.
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  234. # [04:25] <delrio> I kind of think the one section tag in there should be a div.
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  252. # [04:54] <diogogmt> anybody knows if its possible to clean the browsers cache with javascript?
  253. # [04:54] <diogogmt> so if I dynamicly create a image: var img = new Image(); img.src = 'imagesource.jpg';
  254. # [04:54] <diogogmt> I can then deleted from the browser cache after I use it
  255. # [04:54] <diogogmt> so lest say I have a game
  256. # [04:54] <diogogmt> I load all the images fro level 1
  257. # [04:55] <diogogmt> and when the user reaches level 2 I unload the images from level 1 from the browser cache and then cache the images for level 2
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  267. # [05:21] <paul_irish> humph: yeah i really like that slide deck
  268. # [05:21] <paul_irish> fun to work with
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  282. # [05:51] <sephr> diogogmt: no
  283. # [05:51] <sephr> not in the case of img.src
  284. # [05:51] <sephr> that's a chromium bug
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  286. # [05:51] <sephr> just use canvas and object urls
  287. # [05:53] <diogogmt> sephr: so I can't unload images from the cache? but other resources I can?
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  289. # [05:54] <sephr> diogogmt: yeah
  290. # [05:54] <sephr> digitalfiz: use URL.createObject and XHR2 your images
  291. # [05:54] <sephr> and then URL.revokeObjectURL later
  292. # [05:54] <diogogmt> ohhh
  293. # [05:55] <sephr> it *should* delete the cache but maybe not
  294. # [05:55] <diogogmt> I see
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  296. # [05:55] <diogogmt> I'll try that
  297. # [05:55] <diogogmt> thanks!
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  421. # [10:13] <poppiez> hi, I'm looking at the HTML5 Boilerplate build script. my project structure is like this: a global header in /global/header.tpl and a global footer in /global/footer.tpl. I then have lots of templates in /local/news.tpl, /local/whatevaaah.tpl etc. right now, I have a JSON file that specifies that e.g. /local/whatevaaah.tpl should include x1, x2 javascript files and y1, y2 css files. that way, each page has a set of javascript and css includes
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  426. # [10:14] <poppiez> in case the text gets cut off: http://pastie.org/2604347
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  547. # [14:43] <delrio> chovy, did you ever get a chance to look at that?
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  561. # [14:58] <poppiez> anybody know how I can avoid having to write all the global javascript files in each html file using html5 boilerplate? the build script concatenates everything but in dev I don't want to insert every global JS file
  562. # [14:59] <poppiez> paul_irish: :)
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  565. # [15:03] <poppiez> I have around 200 different pages and is a pain to write every file in mylibs in each file
  566. # [15:03] <poppiez> and a mess to maintain
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  605. # [15:41] <BrianBlakely> Hi HTML5
  606. # [15:41] <BrianBlakely> I was sick for a few days
  607. # [15:42] <BrianBlakely> Did anything cool happen?
  608. # [15:42] <BrianBlakely> FF7 came out, I can't wait to put ellipses on EVERYTHING (that consists of only one line of text)
  609. # [15:43] <miketaylr> * {text-overflow: ellipss}
  610. # [15:43] <miketaylr> um, but w/o the typo
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  613. # [15:47] <BrianBlakely> miketaylr: Haha, yes!!
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  627. # [16:12] <jon____> hi - getting myself a bit tied up re sections, groups of articles, and lack of headers
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  629. # [16:12] <jon____> is it valid/a good idea to have a header which is hidden b ycss?
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  631. # [16:14] <jon____> like http://pastie.org/2605708
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  635. # [16:16] <delrio> jon____, I have some headers like that but I don't exactly hide them. I usually text-indent: -9999px to hide the words in them and then place a background-image on them.
  636. # [16:17] <delrio> jon____, AFAIK if you have a section that doesn't really need a visible title in it then you should probably use a div to group the items.
  637. # [16:17] <delrio> Someone correct me if I'm wrong here.
  638. # [16:17] <jon____> delrio: the wireframes I have have no headers in these areas, so I'm trying to work out what's best a div or a section
  639. # [16:17] <jon____> delrio: is it ok to use a div to group <article>'s?
  640. # [16:18] <jon____> delrio: pre-html5 I'd have used a ul or ol
  641. # [16:18] <jon____> delrio: but ol.li.article seems a bit verbose
  642. # [16:18] <delrio> jon____, this really straightened out some stuff for me. Read this, http://html5doctor.com/the-section-element/
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  644. # [16:19] <jon____> delrio: that's what I've been reading :) I have the Bruce/Remy book on my desk as wel
  645. # [16:19] <delrio> jon____, what I get from that article is that if you have a section or article tag that doesn't really need a title then use a div.
  646. # [16:19] <jon____> delrio: yeah, ok - div it is :)
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  648. # [16:20] <jon____> delrio: if I've not used section, should I not use aside?
  649. # [16:22] <delrio> jon____, yes. aside just marks up content that is related to other content around it. It doesn't imply that it must be related to content wrapped in a section tag.
  650. # [16:22] <jon____> delrio: phew
  651. # [16:23] <delrio> jon____, here they show using aside around some p tags only: http://html5doctor.com/understanding-aside/
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  682. # [17:13] <poppiez> I'm using the HTML5 boilerplate build script. it says you should use a style.css, which imports the needed CSS files. this is fine is most cases, but I have a custom page that needs an entirely different layout. how may I do this?
  683. # [17:13] <divya> poppiez: what do you mean?
  684. # [17:14] <divya> just include a new css file if you want?
  685. # [17:14] <divya> if you want a single css file output at the end of the build then you need to @import
  686. # [17:14] <divya> otherwise include as you feel like
  687. # [17:15] <poppiez> in my default.properties I have file.root.stylesheet = style.css. the build.xml looks for this. when it finds it, it gets concatenated with the @imports it holds, minified and renamed to its sha value. however, my style.css imports my _global_ layout. however, I have a page with a completely other design
  688. # [17:16] <poppiez> and this design should use completely other CSS files, which I want to be concatenated and minified as well
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  691. # [17:17] <poppiez> so problem is, if I include style.css in this custom design, all my global CSS files will be included, because file.root.stylesheet can only equal style.css. if it's called anything else it won't be processed
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  693. # [17:19] <divya> poppiez: can you file a ticket at https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/issues/
  694. # [17:19] <poppiez> divya: yes. so this isn't possible?
  695. # [17:19] <divya> no i dont think so.
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  697. # [17:19] <divya> we recommend using a single stylesheet
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  699. # [17:20] <paul_irish> yeah the buildscript doesnt fare too well if you use different sheets for diff pages
  700. # [17:20] <paul_irish> its not that smart
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  703. # [17:21] <poppiez> divya: but that means I would have to include ALL the CSS declarations across ALL my pages (that is, support the CSS for about 200 pages in one page)
  704. # [17:21] <paul_irish> ya
  705. # [17:21] <poppiez> jikes
  706. # [17:21] <paul_irish> how big is one of those extra files
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  709. # [17:22] <poppiez> I have ~200 different CSS files ranging from 10-200 lines
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  711. # [17:22] <divya> poppiez: even if you ahve radically different layout you shouldnt have too much code
  712. # [17:22] <divya> ideally
  713. # [17:23] <paul_irish> the network cost of an extra HTTP request is really high
  714. # [17:23] <poppiez> divya: well, it's not really a solution for me to package all my CSS in one file. sure, you have to minimize the HTTP requests but each page is unique
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  716. # [17:23] <poppiez> but anyway, problem is, I have a page that's completely different. so they would conflict
  717. # [17:24] <divya> then maybe you should run the build script on each page?
  718. # [17:24] <divya> poppiez: you could customize the build script for your reqiurement in project.xml
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  720. # [17:24] <divya> because this is not a typical requirement
  721. # [17:24] <divya> for most websites.
  722. # [17:24] <paul_irish> ya
  723. # [17:25] <paul_irish> and its hard
  724. # [17:25] <paul_irish> but
  725. # [17:25] <paul_irish> we're interested in the solution when you figure it out
  726. # [17:25] <paul_irish> :)
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  728. # [17:25] <poppiez> divya: so to be clear, most websites package all their CSS across all pages in one file? (of course, you can split it in the imports for maintainability)
  729. # [17:26] <divya> yes poppiez
  730. # [17:26] <divya> its what is recommended choice.
  731. # [17:26] <poppiez> I just fear that this CSS file will be way too large at some point as your site increases in size. however, that's not a problem?
  732. # [17:26] <divya> if you gzip your files it wont be that large.
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  736. # [17:30] <poppiez> a solution would be to allow the user to define some default stylesheets and define page-specific stylesheets that can be concatenated and minified as well. then the user wouldn't have to download the default stylesheets all the time but download the page-specific ones. most users don't see all pages anyway
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  748. # [17:54] <delrio> paul_irish, I've seen a lot of sites use a server-side language to compile different css files and return them to the user as one.
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  750. # [17:55] <paul_irish> sounds fine
  751. # [17:55] <paul_irish> poppiez: i think if you put a stylesheet ref outside of the comments
  752. # [17:55] <paul_irish> it is kept along
  753. # [17:55] <paul_irish> maybe need to add it to the bypass as well? ?
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  755. # [18:00] <nabax> hi guys
  756. # [18:01] <nabax> is there a way to get an array with all images embedded in a canvas?
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  758. # [18:05] <monteslu> nabax, images aren't embedded into a canvas, they're just painted. its raster, it doesn't maintain a list of objects
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  760. # [18:05] <monteslu> you'll have to use svg for that or maintain the list yourself
  761. # [18:05] <nabax> hmmm right, okay :)
  762. # [18:05] <nabax> monteslu, thank you
  763. # [18:05] <monteslu> no prob
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  799. # [18:57] <paul_irish> (x=valueOf,x()) // window
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  812. # [19:22] <thatryan> yay got a tutorial published on smashingmagazine! :)
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  816. # [19:27] <slbdp> does it have a number in the title? :P
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  821. # [19:34] <thatryan> a number? nope
  822. # [19:34] <thatryan> lol why
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  851. # [19:55] <Pomax> I hate opera... why does it claim the canvas font is "times" but draw text that is clearly using a sans font =_=
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  853. # [19:55] <divya> Pomax: can you create a jsfiddle.net
  854. # [19:55] <divya> Pomax: i can file a bug and track and fix it :)
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  862. # [19:58] <Pomax> I can give you http://processingjs.nihongoresources.com/FontMetrics/ instead
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  864. # [19:58] <Pomax> the puzzler is "why is the canvas that's built in the fontmetrics library just fine, but the on page one not"
  865. # [19:59] <Pomax> (the same kind of puzzle manifests in safari. the on-page one has superbold text, the metrics canvas has normal, correct text)
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  867. # [20:00] <divya> so that page does not show error Pomax
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  869. # [20:01] <Pomax> define "does not show". It looks blatantly wrong in my opera 11.50, but there are no html or javascript errors
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  871. # [20:01] <divya> Pomax: have you tried opera next?
  872. # [20:02] <divya> Pomax: this is what I see: left is opera right is chrome http://cache.gyazo.com/ab416a0b24b7a6b9f58cba07650be46b.png
  873. # [20:02] <Pomax> no, I'm testing this for current desktop browsers
  874. # [20:02] <divya> what should it show?
  875. # [20:02] <Pomax> your opera apparently isn't broken.
  876. # [20:02] <divya> ah
  877. # [20:02] <Pomax> I'm in 11.51 build 1087
  878. # [20:02] <divya> actually it is
  879. # [20:02] <divya> i notice that it is rendering sans-serif
  880. # [20:03] <divya> but showing times
  881. # [20:03] <divya> in chrome it is showing and rendering times
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  885. # [20:08] <Pomax> I've had quite a few headaches with Opera either not rendering, or malrendering, text on a canvas =(
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  917. # [21:03] <BrianBlakely> Amazon didn't just announce an Opera Mini clone, did they?
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  919. # [21:05] <BrianBlakely> Looks like a variation of that concept
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  923. # [21:07] <moo-_-> after building HTML5 + jQuery Mobile service, a very interface one, I think Opera Mini kicks ass
  924. # [21:07] <paul_irish> +1
  925. # [21:08] <moo-_-> it can execute almost any Javascript so that thin client doesn't get confused
  926. # [21:08] <moo-_-> interface/interactive
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  930. # [21:08] <BrianBlakely> I wish I could see a demo
  931. # [21:08] <BrianBlakely> Of Silk
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  942. # [21:21] <delrio> What is silk?
  943. # [21:22] <Pomax> the new amazon tablet's browser
  944. # [21:24] <delrio> Is that for those new Kindle tablets?
  945. # [21:25] <Pomax> correct
  946. # [21:25] <delrio> I feel stupid now, my wife got me a new Kindle for Christmas last year. I should've help out for that one :(
  947. # [21:27] <Pomax> you should have held out for a year, for a device that costs a pittence? O-o
  948. # [21:27] <Pomax> I'd rather have that year of reading ebooks wherever I am =)
  949. # [21:28] <BrianBlakely> delrio: The Kindle Fire (the new hotness), is only $199
  950. # [21:29] <BrianBlakely> Regift your wife your current Kindle and buy yourself the new tablet :P
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  953. # [21:29] <BrianBlakely> Then again, screw all Kindles - get an iPad 3 in March
  954. # [21:30] <Pomax> right, should I point out the kindle is now $80?
  955. # [21:30] <Pomax> you could buy one, and nine others to give away, before you hit the price of an ipad3 with sensible specs
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  957. # [21:31] <Pomax> I'm just glad amazon apparently made enough profit the last few years to finally price an ereader at what feels like a reasonable price
  958. # [21:31] <Pomax> although that table needs to drop another $50 (which it probably will in about a year)
  959. # [21:31] <Pomax> *tablet
  960. # [21:33] <delrio> Pomax, mine was 110 when I got it. You must be more blessed than I because that is definitely not a pittence to me.
  961. # [21:33] <delrio> I'm more in tune with an android tablet then an iPad.
  962. # [21:35] <Pomax> I am in between jobs at the moment, but any month with an actual paycheck means I can save up for two months and buy something that's $200 without losing a slice of cheese on my sandwich =/
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  965. # [21:37] <delrio> Pomax, sorry if I'm intruding but are you married?
  966. # [21:38] <delrio> Because with my wife half of that would go to a new dress or shoes or something like that. :P
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  971. # [21:41] <Pomax> I am. She gets to buy dresses with her own paycheck, and I get to say whether I like them or not.
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  976. # [21:45] <delrio> Pomax, touche!
  977. # [21:45] <chovy> Everything I buy costs twice as much.
  978. # [21:45] <chovy> as that of a single man.
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  981. # [21:46] <chovy> I buy a camera for example, my wife then has to buy something of equal or more value.
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