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  7. # [00:05] <tenchi21> hello I am looking to use the html5 video tags and have been focusing in the past year on just using the youtube embed links. would this be proper design code layout for online viewing like it does offline "<video src="./media/video/ed_1024.ogv" controls></video>"
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  14. # [00:19] <Pomax> I've not looked at video myself, but at the very least 'controls' needs to be have some value, i.e. controls="controls" or something.
  15. # [00:25] <tw2113> diveintohtml5.org says that tenchi21 is just fine with "controls" as is
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  18. # [00:26] <tenchi21> tw2113, yeah that is where I was reading how to use them
  19. # [00:27] <Pomax> it just violates the idea of an attribute that actually says what it's for so very much.
  20. # [00:27] <tw2113> i believe it's a boolean attribute
  21. # [00:28] <tenchi21> http://diveintohtml5.org/video.html looking for "At Last, The Markup"
  22. # [00:28] <Pomax> it is, but then controls="true" makes so much more sense
  23. # [00:28] <Pomax> for a human reader at least. the browser doesn't care one way or the other
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  25. # [00:28] <tenchi21> Pomax, if you dont include that controls your video has no controls and you have to develop your own for the video player.
  26. # [00:29] <Pomax> yeah but you can say controls="true" and it should still work just fine
  27. # [00:29] <tenchi21> Pomax, that was one of the issues I ran into while building the test page. i thought it would have been contros="true" or "1"
  28. # [00:29] <tw2113> "controls="true" " == "controls"
  29. # [00:29] <Pomax> yes, but for a *human reader*, controls="true" is so much nicer
  30. # [00:29] <Pomax> it makes your markup semantic =)
  31. # [00:29] <Pomax> which is kind of what we started html and sgml for >_>
  32. # [00:30] <tw2113> use whichever you prefer, personally
  33. # [00:30] <tenchi21> and yes the controls="yes" does work also
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  35. # [00:30] <tenchi21> just tried that
  36. # [00:30] <tenchi21> err yes=true
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  59. # [01:08] <paul_irish> addy and i are working on the top part of http://oksoclap.com/multibrowsertesting
  60. # [01:08] <paul_irish> in case anyone wants to contribute
  61. # [01:09] <chovy> paul_irish: what are you looking for?
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  63. # [01:13] <paul_irish> more details
  64. # [01:13] <paul_irish> like
  65. # [01:13] <paul_irish> if you knew the best way to test your shit across browsers
  66. # [01:13] <paul_irish> then.. other people should know it
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  81. # [01:28] <chovy> paul_irish: like this? http://www.chovy.com/ui-design/ie7-on-linux-64-bit/
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  85. # [01:29] <paul_irish> yup
  86. # [01:29] <paul_irish> can you add that
  87. # [01:29] <chovy> sure
  88. # [01:29] <chovy> how do i save it?
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  91. # [01:32] <chovy> I added a few.
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  114. # [02:25] <Pomax> paul_irish: don't know if it's going to be of use to anyone, but have some http://pomax.github.com/fontmetrics.js/ =P
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  116. # [02:27] <xarxer> This is really strange (I think)..
  117. # [02:27] <xarxer> http://jsbin.com/opawod/2/edit
  118. # [02:28] <xarxer> ^ That works, but if I change arr = getOrderedArray(250) to 400, it just doesn't draw anything..
  119. # [02:28] <xarxer> I would really, really appreciate if someone could take a look at it :|
  120. # [02:29] <Pomax> am I missing a <script> block? I don't see the code that effects the random distribution in the canvas
  121. # [02:29] <Pomax> ah. checkbox. sneaky
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  131. # [02:40] <Pomax> xarxer, I have it working as http://jsbin.com/afosey/edit#javascript,html,live
  132. # [02:40] <Pomax> go from there I'd say
  133. # [02:43] <Pomax> the band-multiplation was getting in the way of actually making non-zero-width rectangles.
  134. # [02:44] <xarxer> Pomax: band-multiplation?
  135. # [02:45] <paul_irish> Pomax: very cool
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  149. # [03:13] <tw2113> javascript people...how do you do an equivalent of var_dump() in javascript?
  150. # [03:14] <Epeli> console.log
  151. # [03:15] <Epeli> but there is no exact equivalent
  152. # [03:16] <Pomax> if you're lucky console.log(var.toString()) does something useful, but often it doesn't.
  153. # [03:17] <Pomax> for(attr in var) { if(!var.hasOwnProperty(attr)) console.log(var[attr]); } might help you a little, but it's still not... convenient.
  154. # [03:18] <tw2113> damn, console.log doesn't seem to work in Fx's new scratchpad
  155. # [03:19] <Pomax> that's because console.log literally goes to the console.
  156. # [03:19] <Pomax> fire up firebug on the side
  157. # [03:30] <miketaylr> or do cmd+shift+k to open up the ff web console
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  169. # [04:07] <tw2113> miketaylr want to help a JS noob?
  170. # [04:07] <miketaylr> i can try!
  171. # [04:07] <tw2113> trying my hand at jquery + json parsing
  172. # [04:08] <tw2113> using everyone's favorite twitter
  173. # [04:08] <tw2113> http://jsbin.com/ubudil/edit#source hopefully this works for seeing what i have
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  175. # [04:09] <tw2113> clicking does nothing that i can see right now
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  177. # [04:10] <miketaylr> any errors?
  178. # [04:11] <tw2113> there was one about spaces and tabs on the append line, but i retyped that line and i think it fixed it
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  180. # [04:12] <tw2113> what's that other js live preview thing people love
  181. # [04:12] <miketaylr> jsfiddle
  182. # [04:13] <tw2113> that's it
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  185. # [04:15] <tw2113> damn, no issue reporting there either
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  193. # [04:21] * Topic is 'Ask any question about HTML5 & Friends || HTML5 Spec for Developers: http://developers.whatwg.org || Also: http://html5rocks.com http://diveintohtml5.org http://mzl.la/9giLwR || Channel logs: http://j.mp/cG7UDa'
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  195. # [04:21] <tw2113> :O i got it
  196. # [04:21] <tw2113> the issue was my attempt to select parts from the results
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  200. # [04:26] <miketaylr> ah nice
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  297. # [07:15] <grantg> xonecas: anything new?
  298. # [07:17] <tw2113> oh hey, it's grantg
  299. # [07:17] <grantg> hey
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  301. # [07:23] <grantg> oh wow, firefox is at version 7 now...
  302. # [07:23] <grantg> I know people who still use 2.0
  303. # [07:24] <grantg> dat version number
  304. # [07:26] <Pomax> that's like saying you know people who still use windows 95.
  305. # [07:26] <Pomax> proof or it's a lie.
  306. # [07:26] <grantg> They're Mac OS X 10.3.9 users
  307. # [07:27] <grantg> In fact, I know school systems stuck with the same problem
  308. # [07:27] <grantg> f**king eMacs
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  371. # [09:12] <Evanescence> I want to let page can play a small sound find when mouse click on a link , like this, <a href="www.example.com" onclick="func"> I guess a javascript for this onclick="func" is better, so does anyone can give me some suggest ? ( I do not know javascript, I only need one simple piece of js code.)
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  376. # [09:22] <NetRoY> bonjour
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  655. # [17:13] <sky> anyone using the boilerplate?
  656. # [17:14] <Dorward> sky: I gather it is quite popular.
  657. # [17:14] <divya> sky: yes most of the devs of h5bp also hang here, incl. me :P
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  659. # [17:14] <sky> right on.. im diving in!
  660. # [17:15] <sky> I have some subdirectories with html files, they dont get built right...
  661. # [17:15] <sky> the css references etc are all broken
  662. # [17:15] <divya> are you using the build script?
  663. # [17:15] <sky> yes... but its not replacing the stylesheet url for the stuff in subdirs
  664. # [17:16] <divya> have you included the html files to be edited by the build script
  665. # [17:16] <sky> its someothing simple most likely
  666. # [17:16] <sky> hit me with direction :D
  667. # [17:18] <sky> i had a feeling I had to add something to build scripts, but no idea what/where
  668. # [17:19] <divya> yes i think so
  669. # [17:19] <divya> to your project config
  670. # [17:19] <divya> look for where index.html is included
  671. # [17:20] <sky> file.pages.default.include
  672. # [17:20] <sky> do I just add the path to the file like index.html, 4040.html, about/index.html?
  673. # [17:20] <sky> also is there a boilerplate specific channel?
  674. # [17:20] <sky> woot, thats worked
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  676. # [17:21] <divya> sky: no this is it :)
  677. # [17:21] <divya> sky o good.
  678. # [17:21] <divya> me, paul_irish, matjas, necolas, shichuan hang out here anyway :)
  679. # [17:21] <sky> right on... im sky
  680. # [17:21] <sky> in it to win it sinc 94!
  681. # [17:22] <divya> :))
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  687. # [17:24] <bourbaki> hidiho, is there any html5 test website for multi touch?
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  689. # [17:24] <sky> hrm
  690. # [17:25] <sky> looks like i have to add them two places
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  694. # [17:28] <divya> o?
  695. # [17:28] <divya> i dont think os
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  769. # [19:08] <WebDragon> paul_irish: give me a sec to dig out my notes wherever I left off .. it was a week or two back
  770. # [19:09] <uf0> it's been awhile :)
  771. # [19:10] <uf0> very happy because
  772. # [19:10] <uf0> finally
  773. # [19:10] <uf0> ff7 implemented text-overflow!
  774. # [19:10] <uf0> yippy!!
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  776. # [19:10] <uf0> and magically my sites have
  777. # [19:10] <WebDragon> paul_irish: ok .. we'd used the fontsquirrel generator to pump out a couple fonts like Neucha and Tangerine -- and got some pretty weird results wrt safari/chrome/opera/IE vs me on Fedora and my boss on Windows XP and Windows Vista
  778. # [19:10] <uf0> ellipsis
  779. # [19:11] <tw2113> yo WebDragon
  780. # [19:11] <uf0> howdy tw2113
  781. # [19:11] <tw2113> yo uf0
  782. # [19:11] <WebDragon> hey tw2113 heh fancy seeing you here
  783. # [19:11] <uf0> havent talked to ya in a bit
  784. # [19:12] <tw2113> it's one of my auto-join rooms
  785. # [19:12] <tw2113> mmmm Fedora
  786. # [19:12] <WebDragon> I should probably hang in here now that we're starting to use html5 more regularly instead of 4.01 strict
  787. # [19:12] <WebDragon> now that there's more stable crossbrowser action going on :)
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  790. # [19:13] <uf0> it's as simple as...
  791. # [19:13] <tw2113> it's the smashing man thatryan
  792. # [19:13] <uf0> !doctype html5
  793. # [19:13] <thatryan> lol hey dude
  794. # [19:13] <uf0> !doctype html
  795. # [19:14] <WebDragon> paul_irish: http://fpaste.org/3D9I/ this was the css generated there.
  796. # [19:15] <WebDragon> it worked for the most part but what was really weird was the browser-support (the ones that worked and the ones that didn't) were reversed for my boss depending on whether he was testing vista or xp -- for example if it worked right in ff/chrome but not safari/IE on XP -- that would be reversed on vista
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  799. # [19:15] <WebDragon> I don't recall the exact breakdown of which one worked where at the time
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  801. # [19:20] <WebDragon> I've since pulled the fontsquirrel webfonts back off the site we're working on and just gone with the google @import of the face for now
  802. # [19:21] <Pomax> which uses the exact same code to load them...
  803. # [19:22] <Pomax> did you use all the font formats fontsquirrel generated?
  804. # [19:22] <Pomax> or just one format?
  805. # [19:22] <paul_irish> WebDragon: what webserver
  806. # [19:24] <WebDragon> private development server we've been using to put together a sitemakeover/conversion to wordpress for a client. mind if I pm you the address rather than make it public?
  807. # [19:24] <WebDragon> don't have any of the fontsquirrel fonts online there at the moment but it wouldn't be hard for me to effect a temporary change
  808. # [19:25] <paul_irish> like. IIS or apache
  809. # [19:25] <WebDragon> apache
  810. # [19:25] <paul_irish> you should be using the h5bp htaccess to make sure your mimetypes are good
  811. # [19:25] <paul_irish> but IIS should be the only one that *NEEDS* it
  812. # [19:26] <WebDragon> 2.2.19
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  814. # [19:26] <paul_irish> anyway the syntax that FS gives is correct
  815. # [19:26] <paul_irish> check the network requests and shit
  816. # [19:27] <paul_irish> dunno what else
  817. # [19:27] <WebDragon> well..how did I not hear of h5bp
  818. # [19:28] <tw2113> sorry, my bad
  819. # [19:28] <WebDragon> I'll see if I can put together some actual accurate details of what was happening and where, and get back to you on it
  820. # [19:29] <WebDragon> still doing other devel work at the mo so I can't put too much time in just this sec. but I'll see what I can find out once the h5bp is in place
  821. # [19:30] <WebDragon> ++ for normalize.css instead of reset.css -- those reasons given are exactly why I've avoided reset stylesheets all this time
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  841. # [20:05] <paul_irish> http://andrew-hoyer.com/experiments/zoetrope/
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  844. # [20:09] <Pomax> haha
  845. # [20:09] <Pomax> very nice
  846. # [20:14] <monteslu> paul_irish, chrome+html5+dojo+box2d+requestAnimationFrame: https://plus.google.com/u/0/103067286453763274834/posts/NzZyJx9xsW2
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  850. # [20:18] <monteslu> now If I could just muster the graphic skills to make it look as pretty as the flash based ones
  851. # [20:19] <paul_irish> thats fun!
  852. # [20:19] <paul_irish> nice work
  853. # [20:21] <monteslu> thanks
  854. # [20:21] <monteslu> it was fun to write
  855. # [20:22] <WebDragon> http://caffegelato.client-proof.com/reservations/special-dinner-events/ anyone else getting this ( http://tinypic.com/r/wu1ijs/7 ) on IE9 ? I have no clue on this one
  856. # [20:22] <WebDragon> I'm totally stumped here as to what would cause the whole block to turn black on IE9
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  858. # [20:23] <WebDragon> the transform property should be working and I'm using the right matrix calculations on the older -ms-filter bit
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  862. # [20:32] <WebDragon> gads this is bizarre
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  867. # [20:37] <WebDragon> anyone available to take a peek and hopefully have an idea ?
  868. # [20:38] <WebDragon> the '*transform: rotate(-8deg);' SOLD OUT text block -- the entire transformed area is solid black (as if a rectangle were drawn to contain all four of the rotated points of the original box
  869. # [20:38] <Pomax> I get a transparent "sold out" graphic
  870. # [20:38] <Pomax> hit F12, which mode is your IE9 in
  871. # [20:38] <Pomax> mine's in IE9 - IE9 Standards
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  874. # [20:42] <crash1hd> hey all does anyone know when w3c is going to stop giving a warning saying that you are using html5?
  875. # [20:43] <Pomax> when HTML5 is official.
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  878. # [20:43] <crash1hd> Pomax, thanks its annoying lol
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  880. # [20:44] <crash1hd> keep thinking something is wrong with my code when I know its ok
  881. # [20:44] <WebDragon> Pomax: it should be forcing IE9 standards mode w/ X-UA-Compatible
  882. # [20:44] <Pomax> WebDragon: aye, but what does yours do?
  883. # [20:45] <WebDragon> I'm on fedora -- my boss's is the IE9 in the screenshot and he's afk at the moment
  884. # [20:45] <WebDragon> (naturally)
  885. # [20:45] <Pomax> my version's 9.0.8112.16421 (9.0.2), which is up to date.
  886. # [20:45] <Pomax> and I see no strange things
  887. # [20:46] <WebDragon> yeah not sure what's up
  888. # [20:46] <Pomax> but if your boss is on XP, he hacked IE9
  889. # [20:46] <WebDragon> are you on vista, xp or windows 7?
  890. # [20:46] <WebDragon> no ie9 for xp?
  891. # [20:46] <Pomax> given that IE9 isn't XP compatible, obviously not the second ;)
  892. # [20:46] <Pomax> I'm on win7
  893. # [20:46] <WebDragon> Pomax: ok wait, reload in just a second
  894. # [20:47] <WebDragon> ok
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  896. # [20:47] <WebDragon> see if you get the black box now
  897. # [20:47] <Pomax> MS wants XP to die, so in a glorious act of shooting themselves in the foot, and not (paul has some interesting musings on it), IE9 has been forced incompatible with XP
  898. # [20:48] <Pomax> yup, now I get a black square
  899. # [20:48] <WebDragon> ok so it's the -ms-filter thing
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  901. # [20:48] <Pomax> use standard CSS with IE9
  902. # [20:48] <WebDragon> now I gotta just figure a way to deliver that separately to IE8 and earlier since they don't do -ms-transform
  903. # [20:48] <Pomax> just use transform {} etc
  904. # [20:48] <Pomax> IE9 still does conditional html though
  905. # [20:49] <Pomax> though you don't need it - just add a conditional html <link> for IE8 after your main CSS link
  906. # [20:49] <Pomax> and have it use -ms-filter-nonsense: directxshit(...)
  907. # [20:49] <WebDragon> I tried reversing the order - see if IE9 is ok again
  908. # [20:49] <Pomax> no
  909. # [20:50] <Pomax> still nine inch nailed.
  910. # [20:50] <WebDragon> ok that answers that question
  911. # [20:50] <WebDragon> thanks for the testing help, Pomax :)
  912. # [20:50] <Pomax> np
  913. # [20:50] <WebDragon> much appreciated
  914. # [20:50] <Pomax> now I get to hunt for a store that sells a soldering iron.
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  922. # [21:03] <crash1hd> Can someone explain what the ?v=2 does on the end of this line <link rel="stylesheet" href="css/style.css?v=2">?
  923. # [21:04] <divya> its to burst cache
  924. # [21:04] <WebDragon> you see that a lot with wordpress
  925. # [21:04] <crash1hd> ok but does that actually do anything if the number is static?
  926. # [21:04] <crash1hd> I thought the number had to change to make the cache think it was new
  927. # [21:04] <WebDragon> if you never change the number, not much
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  930. # [21:05] <crash1hd> ok I was looking at the html5boilertemplate
  931. # [21:05] <crash1hd> that was the source
  932. # [21:06] <crash1hd> thanks :)
  933. # [21:06] <paul_irish> old version of h5bp
  934. # [21:07] <paul_irish> http://html5boilerplate.com/docs/Version-Control-with-Cachebusting/
  935. # [21:07] <crash1hd> thanks paul
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  1016. # [22:21] <chovy> crash1hd: yeah, i've only seen random numbers sent for cache busting.
  1017. # [22:21] <chovy> paul_irish: i don't like your post about 72 versions of IE :(
  1018. # [22:22] <chovy> i should have asked the microsoft person about that during html5 dev conf.
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  1053. # [23:21] <chovy> that was a joke :(
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