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  35. # [00:56] <blognewb> hey guys is it possible to generate all 3 webm mp4 and ogg from flv?
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  46. # [01:11] <tw2113> ?g vid.ly > blognewb
  47. # [01:11] <tw2113> bah
  48. # [01:11] <tw2113> ?g vid.ly
  49. # [01:11] <tw2113> what? no bot?
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  109. # [03:21] <Fireup6> hey, are there any good channels for javascript help?
  110. # [03:21] <Fireup6> cant seem to find anything :(
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  233. # [06:44] <Scotepi_> im having a form issue with html5, i can't get input type="number" to accept float? I want to be able to use xx.x with a step of 0.1
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  235. # [06:47] <Conti> anyone here using a canvas element to capture a signature?
  236. # [06:48] <Conti> I've been toying with functional code but the issue is it renders way too slowly on some devices and instead of being smooth it looks block like, was wondering if anyone found a way to improve performance
  237. # [06:49] <Conti> chromium on a first generation samsung galaxy s M110S is utterly unusable, I haven't tested on iOS - it's smooth on Mac/PC though (in a custom webkit browser)
  238. # [06:53] <Scotepi_> am i miss interpriting input type="number" that i can do float? my step=".1" is failing validation
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  240. # [06:56] <Conti> Scotepi_: It will accept decimal values
  241. # [06:57] <Scotepi_> any idea why Chrome won't let me enter a float then? http://student1049.ucb.sephone.us/PHP_Projects/Chapter.04/Projects/paycheck.html
  242. # [06:57] <Conti> http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml5_form_number_adv
  243. # [06:57] <Conti> works in firefox
  244. # [06:57] <Conti> your code
  245. # [06:58] <Scotepi_> firefox doesnt install much cofidence in me anymore
  246. # [06:58] <Scotepi_> i remove the step and try 6.4 on that example and Chrome says invalid input too
  247. # [06:58] <Conti> it works on my own webkit based browser
  248. # [06:59] <Conti> (the one i wrote myself)
  249. # [06:59] <Scotepi_> wow, ff7 still doesnt support input type="number
  250. # [06:59] <Conti> interesting
  251. # [06:59] <Conti> it does fail on chrome
  252. # [06:59] <Conti> file a bug report
  253. # [07:00] <Scotepi_> wtf, now it just started working after i moved some attributes around
  254. # [07:01] <Conti> question: why did you set the step for hours to 0.1 but the step to rate at 1
  255. # [07:01] <Scotepi_> just noticed that and fixed it at the same time i moved the atributes around
  256. # [07:02] <Conti> step specifies legal number intervals (if step="5", legal numbers could be -5,0,5,10, 15, etc)
  257. # [07:02] <Scotepi_> grrr.. not its working fine
  258. # [07:02] <Scotepi_> now
  259. # [07:03] <Conti> step for amount should probably be 0.01
  260. # [07:03] <Scotepi_> true but its just a dumb homework assignment so whatever, lol
  261. # [07:03] <Conti> and for hours people usually round to the nearest .25
  262. # [07:03] <Conti> good point
  263. # [07:04] <Scotepi_> it was just buging me the Chrome wouldnt let me enter a float but as soon as you looked at it, it worked. rofl
  264. # [07:04] <Conti> magic touch
  265. # [07:04] <Conti> keke
  266. # [07:04] <Conti> i wish my problems were so simplistic
  267. # [07:04] <Scotepi_> i get the same thing.. someone says "my computer is broken" i walk in the room and it works fine
  268. # [07:05] <Conti> I used to get paid $60 an hour to do PC repair, 1 hour minimum
  269. # [07:05] <Conti> there were a number of times i got paid $60 to drive to a persons house and plug the machine back in
  270. # [07:05] <Conti> lol
  271. # [07:05] <Scotepi_> they want to be that dumb let em waist there money
  272. # [07:06] <Scotepi_> *waist
  273. # [07:06] <Conti> the funny thing is
  274. # [07:06] <Conti> some of my clients were filthy rich
  275. # [07:06] <Conti> multiple 250,000$ cars in the garage
  276. # [07:06] <Conti> huge estate
  277. # [07:06] <Conti> servents
  278. # [07:06] <Scotepi_> and you only charged $60?
  279. # [07:06] <Conti> but they would have this ancient piece of garbage
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  281. # [07:06] <Conti> and when i would tell them, it will cost you less to buy a new computer than to fix this
  282. # [07:06] <Conti> they would just want to fix it
  283. # [07:07] <Conti> unbelievable
  284. # [07:07] <Conti> I charged them $60 to show up, the bills went up from there
  285. # [07:07] <Scotepi_> odd, i went out to my bosses house (hes prob in the 5mill range) to fix his computer, it was a spring 2011 model, he said if i couldnt fix it to just go buy a new one
  286. # [07:08] <Conti> that is a sensible boss you have
  287. # [07:08] <Scotepi_> all that was wrong we he had a tone of stuff run at startup and live in the tray
  288. # [07:08] <Conti> ya
  289. # [07:08] <Conti> probably the most common ailment of amateur windows users
  290. # [07:09] <Scotepi_> i thought there was going to be a virus, hes the type that likes to play the games in flash ads
  291. # [07:10] <Scotepi_> just got FF 7.0.1, gald to see my bug didnt get resolved >< http://test.scotepi.net/ff690202/
  292. # [07:11] <Conti> i'm kinda over firefox
  293. # [07:11] <Scotepi_> same, i just use if i get stuck devolping something in chrome
  294. # [07:11] <Conti> they pissed me off with their opposition to websqldb
  295. # [07:11] <Conti> and webkit is more advanced in the areas that interest me
  296. # [07:11] <Scotepi_> i've been pissed at them since 2.0 and then when chrome hit v5 in beta I jumped over perminitly
  297. # [07:12] <Conti> i'm not very fond of chrome or safari either mind you
  298. # [07:12] <Conti> so I recently took to making my own browser using the webkit rendering engine lol
  299. # [07:12] <Scotepi_> i've been running chrome beta since v5 and just checked yesterday and saw the same install is up to v15 now. never done anything to update it
  300. # [07:13] <Conti> i still use firefox for a lot of general browsing, just out of habit
  301. # [07:13] <Conti> been using it so long
  302. # [07:13] <Scotepi_> nice, i like the sync options in chrome since i use it on a few computers
  303. # [07:13] <Scotepi_> been with FF since 0.2
  304. # [07:13] <Conti> with your own browser, u can do anything
  305. # [07:13] <Scotepi_> true but more work
  306. # [07:13] <Conti> but you get to see all the ugliness too
  307. # [07:14] <Conti> it's interesting to me and I needed it for a project I'm working on so it was worth diving into
  308. # [07:16] <Conti> this is how i look at the mozilla folks at this point http://rbxbx.info/images/fault-tolerance.png
  309. # [07:18] <Scotepi_> i just think that FF missed there goal by a long shot. they started out by being lean and mean and left mozilla get all the extra crap and then they just turned into mozilla
  310. # [07:18] <Scotepi_> so much built in that doesn't blong in the default version
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  312. # [07:28] <Conti> they say they are trying to remove the bloat
  313. # [07:28] <Conti> i'll believe it when i see it
  314. # [07:28] <scotepi> the first bloat they ever added imo is the rss reader, i bet like 5% of users actualy use it
  315. # [07:28] <scotepi> prob more like 0.5%
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  317. # [07:29] <Conti> the whole 'applciations' handling section based on content type is pretty retarded too imo
  318. # [07:30] <Conti> just hook into the OS defaults for anything that can't be rendered properly by the browser
  319. # [07:30] <scotepi> i think thats designed for basic linux systems that done have any sort of DB
  320. # [07:30] <scotepi> *dont
  321. # [07:31] <Conti> even then
  322. # [07:31] <scotepi> but yet, at this point its such a small target audiance
  323. # [07:31] <Conti> just prompt to download content that is not rendered by browser
  324. # [07:31] <Conti> and use a plugin system for the rest
  325. # [07:32] <Conti> ff leaks memory all over the place
  326. # [07:32] <scotepi> and gota love there new "headers are evil" focus that caused my bug. They give a "Corrupted Content Error" and no information for a admin to debug
  327. # [07:33] <Conti> blame the w3c for that actually
  328. # [07:33] <Conti> partially at least
  329. # [07:33] <Conti> my biggest bitch with firefox staff atm is their opposition to websqldb
  330. # [07:33] <Conti> in favor of indexeddb
  331. # [07:33] <scotepi> i can see cracking down on it but no debug info?
  332. # [07:33] <Conti> and refusal to implement it
  333. # [07:33] <Conti> despite the fact indexed db isn't even close to ready
  334. # [07:34] <Conti> and basically every OS out there has sqlite running on it for one reason or another already anyway
  335. # [07:34] <scotepi> rofl, i would say so.. http://www.w3.org/TR/IndexedDB/
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  337. # [07:34] <scotepi> lots of issues and to-dos
  338. # [07:35] <Conti> indexedDB is like 5 years away at this rate
  339. # [07:35] <scotepi> people still say that about #html5 tho
  340. # [07:35] <scotepi> its not ratified yet but a lot of people use it
  341. # [07:35] <Conti> and localStorage is useful only as a cookie alternative with some benefits obviously but still a far cry from a client side database
  342. # [07:35] <Conti> once you get more than about 2,000 entries in localStorage it starts to bog down the browser bigtime
  343. # [07:36] <Conti> websqldb by contrast can hold 100,000 entries and chomp through it with little effort
  344. # [07:37] <Conti> sqlite is perfect for client side databases, that is why it's used by so many applications already - even OS X uses it for "Core Data"
  345. # [07:37] <Conti> why reinvent the wheel
  346. # [07:37] <scotepi> hmm, some reason i thought SQL was a propritary standard that everyone emulated. simaler to the start of *nix but i guess not
  347. # [07:38] <Conti> indexeddb may be the best thing since sliced bread but it's so far from ready i don't see any reason why ff wouldn't support it in the interim
  348. # [07:38] <scotepi> avoid a changeover headache for when its ready maybe?
  349. # [07:38] <Conti> well originally SQL was proprietary but there are SQL "like" implementations out there like sqlite, postgresql, mysql that are all opensource and *widely* used
  350. # [07:39] <Conti> i think the real reason is, they couldn't get it to work with their horribly mucked up code
  351. # [07:39] <Conti> and the reason they've released ff4/5/6/7 in rapid succession is they are trying to clean things up in preparation for actually extending it
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  353. # [07:40] <Conti> they may have improved the javascript core and rendering engine to an extent but i wonder how much of that they stole from webkit lol
  354. # [07:41] <scotepi> prob a lot of it
  355. # [07:41] <Conti> they just copy and paste the method and alter the prefix from -webkit to -moz lol
  356. # [07:42] <scotepi> are we still suposed to use prefixes? whats really the point anymore then piss us off?
  357. # [07:42] <Conti> it's like a private method i think
  358. # [07:43] <Conti> it's a way of them telling the world 'hey this isn't ready yet'
  359. # [07:43] <scotepi> why would you want a different border-radious in each browser?
  360. # [07:43] <Conti> you wouldn't, they are supposed to conform to the web standards
  361. # [07:43] <Conti> i think that all started mostly because of IE
  362. # [07:43] <Conti> if you didn't have a prefix IE would try to render it and render it wrongly
  363. # [07:43] <scotepi> i just always do border-radious: whatever; insted of prfixing it 5 times
  364. # [07:44] <Conti> but then that is what conditional css is for
  365. # [07:44] <scotepi> i can't beleve IE is down to 42% now
  366. # [07:44] <Conti> i can
  367. # [07:44] <Conti> it's garbage
  368. # [07:44] <Conti> i can't wait to see the last ASP and cold fusion servers die off too
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  380. # [08:30] <gf3> paul_irish: DO YOU!??!
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  382. # [08:33] <tw2113> looks like it
  383. # [08:34] <tw2113> even does pseudo-selectors gf3
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  385. # [08:35] <gf3> amazing
  386. # [08:36] <tw2113> guess i asked the question i had wrong
  387. # [08:36] <tw2113> nested selectors
  388. # [08:36] <tw2113> er rules
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  461. # [12:24] <martisj> what's the best way to create a dropdown list?
  462. # [12:24] <martisj> Does html5 have any nice features that support/enhance the ability to create these kinds of lists?
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  476. # [13:28] <Ms2ger> martisj, <select>?
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  751. # [22:44] <TheRealCrell> Hi folks. Manifest file question, if I may. Is there a way to not cause the current html page to be included in the offline appcache?
  752. # [22:45] <TheRealCrell> I know it is implicitly included by default, but is there a way to exclude it? I only want to offline cache files that I list explicitly in the manifest.
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  757. # [22:51] <Lebannen> Crell: I think your only option is to define a FALLBACK alternative for the current page, explicitly
  758. # [22:52] <Crell> hm. That will work for only a single page though, won't it...
  759. # [22:56] <Lebannen> I think it supports prefixing, e.g. declaring a /img/ fallback works for /img/item.png, but that might require a rather specific site structure :)
  760. # [22:56] <Crell> Hm. That may not work.
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  762. # [22:56] <Crell> I'm trying to build an add-on for a CMS to manifest-cache all theme image files and css files and such, but keep all html pages dynamic.
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  764. # [22:57] <Crell> And it occurs to me that may be a challenge...
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  767. # [22:58] <Lebannen> yes, I don't think the NETWORK section will work for that...
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  769. # [22:58] <Lebannen> one alternative might be for you to use localStorage and javascript
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  771. # [22:58] <Crell> That would be a totally different animal, though. :-/
  772. # [22:59] <Lebannen> yup :/
  773. # [22:59] <Crell> Blast and double blast.
  774. # [23:00] <Crell> Since everything in HTML5 is perpetual beta, is there a way to recommend such a loophole to whatever WG is responsible for it?
  775. # [23:00] <Lebannen> I'll leave that to others to answer :)
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