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  82. # [02:21] <paul_irish> http://www.iandevlin.com/blog/2011/05/html5/webvtt-and-video-subtitles
  83. # [02:21] <paul_irish> oh wow thats an old post
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  85. # [02:22] <paul_irish> --enable-video-track enables it in chrome tho
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  121. # [03:58] <jakefolio> excellent found an IRC channel where frontend devs hang out
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  127. # [04:02] <paul_irish> jakefolio: suppp
  128. # [04:02] <jakefolio> how's it going paul_irish
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  131. # [04:02] <jakefolio> I've been hanging out in the IRC world with PHP, but never really knew of any HTML/CSS/JS channels that weren't dedicated to projects/products
  132. # [04:03] <paul_irish> this is one of the better ones
  133. # [04:03] <paul_irish> s/one of the better/the *best*/
  134. # [04:04] <jakefolio> hehe….I figure you'd say that….I found the channel on your blog
  135. # [04:05] <OzDave_mbp> paul! you left breadcrumbs!! now they will all find us!
  136. # [04:05] <paul_irish> muahHAHAHA
  137. # [04:05] <OzDave_mbp> runs off screamin
  138. # [04:06] <jakefolio> …..ONE OF US…..ONE OF US
  139. # [04:07] <OzDave_mbp> hehe
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  141. # [04:09] <OzDave_mbp> Wally were you a fan of the matrix?
  142. # [04:10] <OzDave_mbp> oops wrong channel here is the article I was going to show him http://www.neatorama.com/2011/10/09/everything-is-a-remix-the-matrix/
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  144. # [04:12] <jakefolio> OzDave_mbp: pretty cool
  145. # [04:14] <OzDave_mbp> holywood eating itself every summer
  146. # [04:14] <OzDave_mbp> hollywood*
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  160. # [05:09] <shepazu> paul_irish: calling all Chrome experts!!! how can I invalidate an area to refresh so a change in a filter is applied?
  161. # [05:11] <paul_irish> ask for a reflow?
  162. # [05:12] <paul_irish> document.body.offsetWidth; // or something
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  193. # [06:34] <JonathanNeal> hi hi hi
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  249. # [07:32] <ExpFist> Does anyone know why this doesn't fire in Safari?
  250. # [07:32] <ExpFist> this.element.addEventListener('canplaythrough',function(){self.canPlayThrough();},false);
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  260. # [07:42] <ExpFist> Anyone :F
  261. # [07:42] <ExpFist> Works on every other browser
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  267. # [07:46] <ExpFist> Wait, does safari say it supports audio when asked but won't load it without quicktime?
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  337. # [09:58] <Orbitrix> http://dev.supernaldarkness.com/
  338. # [09:58] <Orbitrix> makin a webpage for a movie
  339. # [09:58] <Orbitrix> html5in it up
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  417. # [12:05] <intellilogic> I've got my selector, how do I get the href of the link? $('menu[data-aj] li a').click(function(e){ e.preventDefault();
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  420. # [12:08] <intellilogic> Oh, wrong channel, LOL - got in anyhow: $(this).attr('href')
  421. # [12:10] <ic_johns1on> I want to make a menu of a canvas with scale function. Now; should I use ONE canvas element and draw every menu item in that canvas, or should I use several canvas items with one menu item in each? The menu items should visually overlap one another when they scale up on mouseover.
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  432. # [12:43] <jammsen> Hi guys
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  434. # [12:45] <jammsen> I want to make an input i little bit more like web2.0, when i type something in, it should display inside the right side of the element a progress loading graphic, while my script is checking the value like an email or something. Any idea or a howto seen for that?
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  440. # [12:52] <Ron_D> jammsen: you mean checking via AJAX? any local verification won't last long enough for the user to notice anything.
  441. # [12:53] <jammsen> Ron_D: yes via ajax request
  442. # [12:53] <jammsen> but that is not the real problem ^^ the graphic is, i dont have realisied that :x
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  444. # [12:54] <Ron_D> Yeah, I understand. You could put a small progress element over the input element with absolute positioning, I guess
  445. # [12:55] <Ron_D> and then show it when the ajax call starts, and hide it when it's done.
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  447. # [12:56] <jammsen> so then the psoition of the input ist relative and the graphic inside on the right side is like position absolute and right: 0px;?
  448. # [12:56] <Ron_D> well, you'll need a container element around the input and graphic.
  449. # [12:57] <jammsen> like an invisible div container?
  450. # [12:58] <Ron_D> give me a sec, I'll quickly create a basic example.
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  455. # [12:58] <jammsen> Ron_D: really, thanks a lot
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  460. # [13:04] <Ron_D> jammsen: http://jsfiddle.net/chevalric/v3kn3/
  461. # [13:05] <Ron_D> now it's just a text, but you could put an image in there.
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  463. # [13:09] <jammsen> Ron_D: thanks, that helps a lot
  464. # [13:09] <Ron_D> Happy to help.
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  468. # [13:11] <Grognardian> does > ie9 display png transparency?
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  472. # [13:15] <jammsen> Ron_D: you dont life in gemany, so i can buy you a beer? :D'
  473. # [13:15] <Ron_D> lol, no, I'm Dutch :D
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  475. # [13:19] <seutje> boo, why no pseudo elements in input elements? :(
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  479. # [13:22] <seutje> Ron_D: wish I could put it on the input itself :( http://jsfiddle.net/seutje/v3kn3/1/
  480. # [13:23] <seutje> like http://jsfiddle.net/seutje/v3kn3/2/
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  489. # [13:29] <Ron_D> seutje: Yeah, that's not supported. before and after pseudoclasses only work on elements that contain content.
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  491. # [13:32] <seutje> Ron_D: so lame :(
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  530. # [14:55] <jakefolio> morning all
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  541. # [15:10] <kebomix> hello, is there anyway to play html5 videos in IE 6 ?
  542. # [15:10] <jakefolio> kebomix: yes…..wtih Flash
  543. # [15:10] <jakefolio> kebomix: if you aren't too far along….take a look at this: http://mediaelementjs.com/
  544. # [15:11] <kebomix> jakefolio: the problem is that hotmail block flash when i embed a video in a message, so i'm trying to find any solution without flash
  545. # [15:11] <jakefolio> lol….this is for an email…..being viewed in IE6?
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  548. # [15:12] <jakefolio> kebomix: 1. you can not play videos in an email…at all…HTML5…..Flash…Quicktime….etc
  549. # [15:12] <jakefolio> 2. flash is needed for all browsers that do not support HTML5 video (IE6 - IE8)
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  552. # [15:13] <kebomix> jakefolio: no html5 works in hotmail, they supported it :)
  553. # [15:14] <jakefolio> kebomix: ok…let's say they support HTML5 video…..what other email clients support it?
  554. # [15:15] <jakefolio> that's a very limited
  555. # [15:16] <jakefolio> anyways the only thing you can do is have a fallback image for email clients that don't support HTML5 video
  556. # [15:16] <jakefolio> http://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/post/2905/html5-and-video-in-email/
  557. # [15:16] <kebomix> idk, there is a client, his business based on send emails with video embeded, he wants hotmail users to view videos from hotmail website in ie6 , so what i ened up with, adding html5 for browsers support it, and image with play button and takes user to client website to play video in flash :)
  558. # [15:17] <jakefolio> well I'm sorry to say that sounds like a poor business to be based on
  559. # [15:17] <jakefolio> all you can do is have an image playback
  560. # [15:17] <jakefolio> IE6 + hotmail = sounds horrible
  561. # [15:17] <kebomix> yes, i hate both :S , that is a very boring issue :S
  562. # [15:18] <jakefolio> After doing some research…it seems HTML5 video support is growing, but still isn't very well supported…..the ONLY fallback is an image that links to the video
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  564. # [15:20] <kebomix> jakefolio: yes, that is what i will do, thanks :)
  565. # [15:21] <jakefolio> np
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  568. # [15:25] <shwetank> you can flash as a fallback, and serve <video> by default if you choose
  569. # [15:26] <jakefolio> shwetank: he was talking about HTML5 Video in email
  570. # [15:26] <shwetank> ah
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  572. # [15:26] <shwetank> yeah, email is much more tricky
  573. # [15:27] <jakefolio> ya….I didn't realize that it was gaining some traction on support
  574. # [15:27] <jakefolio> but until you get gmail to jump….I'll consider it a nice to have feature
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  603. # [16:05] <sebcorbin> hi all, my font-face doesn't work for firefox, could you help me? (http://www.doyoubuzz.com/sebastien-corbin)
  604. # [16:06] <jakefolio> sebcorbin: where are you getting the font from?
  605. # [16:06] <sebcorbin> jakefolio: google's, it does work on webkit/opera
  606. # [16:07] <jakefolio> you're storing all the fonts locally?
  607. # [16:07] <sebcorbin> jakefolio: nope
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  610. # [16:11] <jakefolio> sebcorbin: a friend and I ran into an issue with firefox where the CDN wasn't passing back the proper headers….please review his blog post: https://zippykid.com/2010/12/using-font-face-with-a-cdn-and-firefox/
  611. # [16:11] <jakefolio> maybe that is your issue
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  617. # [16:16] <niftylettuce_> has anyone considered the thought of HTML5/WebGL on TV's? How is that market right now? I've seen IP on TV and such, but does anyone want to share a snippet of info?
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  619. # [16:18] <sebcorbin> jakefolio: there's no request for the woff file, so the haders may not be the isssue
  620. # [16:19] <jakefolio> is this for your portfolio site that you linked?
  621. # [16:19] <jakefolio> is it the font for your title "Sebastien Corbin"?
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  623. # [16:19] <jakefolio> if so, it loads fine for me in Chrome and FF
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  641. # [16:25] <sebcorbin> jakefolio: someone found out what it was : http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1352787 but thanks for the help
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  643. # [16:26] <jakefolio> sebcorbin: np
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  660. # [16:36] <JonathanNeal> Good morning!
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  662. # [16:42] <martisj> is it semantically correct to put a ul inside of a dl>dd, I am using a dl as my articles list, where the dt acts as the heading of the article and the dd's are paragraphs of that article.
  663. # [16:43] <eighty4> ffs, Chrome just crashed on me :(
  664. # [16:43] <JonathanNeal> why not use section and p ?
  665. # [16:44] <martisj> JonathanNeal: thanks i'll try it out. I assume that a list in side of a section or p won't cause to much trouble :)
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  711. # [17:53] <knows> how do you people program html 5 canvas
  712. # [17:53] <knows> i'm modifying an image using pixel manipulation technique but it's not working
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  715. # [17:56] <paul_irish> RT @IE What is your browser security score? Find out here: YourBrowserMatters.org
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  718. # [17:58] <f0f> well, i better use IE
  719. # [17:58] <rupl> paul_irish: why are several criteria requiring WINDOWS OPERATING SYSTEM
  720. # [17:58] <rupl> or is this a joke?
  721. # [17:58] * paul_irish tests ie8
  722. # [17:59] <divya> "we cant give a score for your browser"
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  724. # [17:59] <divya> i think it tests only IE?
  725. # [17:59] <rupl> divya: Chrome 14 = 2.5/4
  726. # [17:59] <f0f> it worked in chrome and FF
  727. # [17:59] <paul_irish> i think it can't test beta browsers
  728. # [17:59] <divya> hahah so it does not work in opera
  729. # [17:59] <divya> GREAT
  730. # [17:59] <paul_irish> also that
  731. # [17:59] <divya> also dirty hashes
  732. # [17:59] <rupl> divya: that just means you're super secure!
  733. # [18:00] <divya> hahahah
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  735. # [18:01] <spongecat> look at the footer of that page
  736. # [18:01] <spongecat> Microsoft product will score the best in Microsoft tool
  737. # [18:02] <paul_irish> typical h5bp site. psh
  738. # [18:02] <paul_irish> of course they removed IE=Edge
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  740. # [18:03] <divya> if (navigator.appVersion.indexOf('MSIE') >= 0) {
  741. # [18:03] <divya> document.write(unescape('%3C') + '\!-' + '-');
  742. # [18:03] <divya> }
  743. # [18:03] <divya> >:|||||
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  746. # [18:04] <paul_irish> lol no gzip
  747. # [18:05] <paul_irish> i also like how they preload a 14mb video
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  751. # [18:15] <niftylettuce_> divya: you haz good fashino
  752. # [18:15] <niftylettuce_> /s/fashino/fashion
  753. # [18:15] <divya> orly
  754. # [18:15] <divya> thnx niftylettuce_
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  756. # [18:17] <niftylettuce_> np :) today i think sporting a half argyle polo with some hawt jeans is up to par with ECMA fashion standards
  757. # [18:17] <divya> o cool
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  761. # [18:26] <paul_irish> http://csspathanimation.calyptus.eu/ Convert a SVG path to a CSS keyframe-based animation
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  768. # [18:44] <divya> does anyone here work for linkedIn?
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  788. # [19:10] <taylorRichie> When adding jquery plugins to the plugins.js on Boilerplate… do you open each plugin and paste the code into the plugins file, or do you link to the files somehow?
  789. # [19:11] <paul_irish> i do the first.
  790. # [19:11] <paul_irish> but you can do whatever
  791. # [19:12] <paul_irish> but you should concat and minify them when you build for production
  792. # [19:12] <paul_irish> thats the important part
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  794. # [19:14] <paul_irish> taylorRichie: have you ever used the build script
  795. # [19:15] <taylorRichie> I have not.
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  797. # [19:16] <taylorRichie> I know it's bad, but I'm sure I've been using boiler plate incorrectly for a while now.
  798. # [19:17] <taylorRichie> Both Stylesheets, and external js files I've been including as normal. Not minified, not concatted.
  799. # [19:17] <taylorRichie> *concatenated
  800. # [19:19] <divya> its not bad taylorRichie :)
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  802. # [19:19] <divya> what is your deterrent?
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  804. # [19:21] <taylorRichie> Lack of knowledge and time on a lot of jobs…
  805. # [19:21] <taylorRichie> It's one of those things I haven't learned, so I could build it into my workflow.
  806. # [19:22] <divya> ah k
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  811. # [19:23] <taylorRichie> I'm sure it's something that once you have done it… you wonder why you weren't doing it from the beginning.
  812. # [19:24] <divya> hah :)
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  844. # [19:55] <DRSK> Is it "legit" to think of <section> as actual sections of a page? E.g. <section id="page"> could contain other <section>s and <articles> ?
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  856. # [20:13] <Jon47> DRSK as i understand it, that would be legit
  857. # [20:13] <Jon47> the document itself is the original "section"
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  859. # [20:13] <DRSK> Jon47: http://css-tricks.com/snippets/html/html5-page-structure/ <-- so that's basically good?
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  863. # [20:14] <Jon47> hmm.. i wouldn't bother to make the main content a "section"
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  866. # [20:15] <Jon47> but it depends on the content of the page and the URI that it's located at….
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  868. # [20:19] <Jon47> if there's any content in the page that doesn't semantically warrant its own section, that wouldn't have its own h1 tag, etc.. that is unique from the entire document's h1 tag, then I'd say it's probably best to leave the sectioning tags out, in that case
  869. # [20:19] <Jon47> gotta run
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  877. # [20:30] <jakefolio> personally guys…..section !== div
  878. # [20:30] <jakefolio> so many people say….it's html5….I'm going to start using section now….but it isn't a replacement of div
  879. # [20:31] <jakefolio> a section is supporting data: "twitter feed, categories list, etc."
  880. # [20:31] <tantek> really? that's pretty funny.
  881. # [20:31] <jakefolio> an article is a piece of content that can take life outside of a web site
  882. # [20:32] <tantek> or just outside it's context in general
  883. # [20:32] <jakefolio> if the rest of the content on a site didn't exist the article would be fine on its own
  884. # [20:32] <tw2113> the only part i tend to use section with consistently...is the primary sidebar
  885. # [20:32] <jakefolio> aside?
  886. # [20:32] <tw2113> wait, that
  887. # [20:32] <tw2113> yes thanks jakefolio
  888. # [20:33] <tw2113> i had section on my brain
  889. # [20:33] <tantek> it's a self-standing chunk of content
  890. # [20:33] <tantek> blog post, update, anything that could be an Atom entry or RSS item, etc.
  891. # [20:33] <tantek> yeah, aside is useful
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  894. # [20:33] <tw2113> what do i use aside for, if anything? *goes to check*
  895. # [20:34] <tw2113> i use this for sidebars: <aside role="complementary">
  896. # [20:35] <tw2113> i don't think i use section
  897. # [20:35] <jakefolio> I use aside for sidebar
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  963. # [22:05] <Orbitrix> http://www.supernaldarkness.com/
  964. # [22:05] <Orbitrix> anyone wana critique my html5 teaser website i made for a movie?
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  998. # [22:55] <Noodman> hey
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  1001. # [22:56] <Noodman> How do websites like Facebook, Twitter, etc. keep there taskbar loaded whilst they reload the pages behind it?
  1002. # [22:58] <moo-_-> Noodman: ajax
  1003. # [22:58] <moo-_-> Noodman: history API
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  1007. # [23:04] <paul_irish> magic.
  1008. # [23:05] <tw2113> all those sites went to the hogwarts school of magic to learn some levitation spells
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  1010. # [23:12] <Noodman> ah nice
  1011. # [23:12] <Noodman> wish I could go to Hogwarts
  1012. # [23:12] <Noodman> fuckers never sent me a letter
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  1014. # [23:12] <Noodman> when you say ajax
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  1017. # [23:13] <jakefolio> DHTML
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  1020. # [23:27] <JonathanNeal> DHTML5
  1021. # [23:27] <JonathanNeal> longer mouse trails
  1022. # [23:27] <JonathanNeal> faster marquees
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  1028. # [23:29] <eighty4> paul_irish: you should build that in to the browser. The ability to keep parts of the site "static"
  1029. # [23:29] <JonathanNeal> <lightblub websocket="way-way-way-way-too-hot"> creates a lens flare effect.
  1030. # [23:29] <paul_irish> wat
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  1032. # [23:29] <eighty4> nah, I have no idea. Just feels like a cool feature
  1033. # [23:30] <moo-_-> is there any boilerplate your script lib to check for minimum supported browser versions?
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  1046. # [23:55] <paul_irish> moo-_-: ya
  1047. # [23:55] <paul_irish> if (!(Modernizr.borderradius && Modernizr.canvas)) { // gtfo
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  1049. # [23:56] <monteslu> dont you mean alert('gtfo'); ?
  1050. # [23:56] <monteslu> i mean, who don't have that?
  1051. # [23:56] <moo-_-> paul_irish: no, I really mean checking out for versions this time, not feature detection :(
  1052. # [23:56] <paul_irish> why
  1053. # [23:57] <paul_irish> you're going to do it wrong
  1054. # [23:57] <paul_irish> moo-_-: why you need to test version #s
  1055. # [23:58] <moo-_-> because doing very bleeding edge stuff and don't want to support older browsers due to bugs in webGL and stuff.
  1056. # [23:58] <moo-_-> detecting bugs is harder than detecting features
  1057. # [23:58] <taylorRichie> Which is correct? <a> <li></li></a> or <li> <a></a></li>? or are both acceptible?
  1058. # [23:59] <paul_irish> oh webgl bugs?
  1059. # [23:59] <tw2113> latter for me taylorRichie
  1060. # [23:59] <paul_irish> moo-_-: use Platform.js
  1061. # [23:59] <jakefolio> taylorRichie: <li><a></a></li>
  1062. # [23:59] <paul_irish> taylorRichie: former is fine in html5 but will give you problems in ff3.6 i think.
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  1064. # [23:59] <paul_irish> use latter with display:block on your a's
  1065. # [23:59] <tw2113> list items = block level, links = inline
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