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9. # [00:07] <chovy> matjas: i've seen it in that context too.
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19. # [00:26] <chovy> when do we start the Occupy IE9 demonstrations?
20. # [00:27] <chovy> occupyie.com is available.
21. # [00:27] <taylorRichie> Ha!
22. # [00:28] <taylorRichie> Now… would be a good time.
23. # [00:28] <taylorRichie> While it's relevant.
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25. # [00:28] <taylorRichie> occupy
26. # [00:28] <fostah> The Problem: With <meta name="apple-mobile-web-app-capable" content="yes" /> set, all of my jsonp requests are getting denied. I read that by setting content="yes", you cannot change the page. But I was unaware you couldnt request external resources. And this app has to be full screen. Is there way around using this tag to set the iPad to full screen mode on an html5 app?
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28. # [00:32] <YamahaAlex> how does one get super sharp text in web?
29. # [00:32] <YamahaAlex> like this: http://www.wix.com/nickigoe/the-pixel-bullies
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31. # [00:34] <moo-_-> fostah: set access origin header in your HTTP responses
32. # [00:35] <moo-_-> fostah: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/http_access_control
33. # [00:37] <fostah> moo-_-: Ah cool that will work? I figured since I was using jsonp i would bypass all the crossdomain issues, but i will try to figure that out thanks!
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36. # [00:37] <fostah> client deadline and i just realized everything breaks on the full screen requirement :/
37. # [00:38] <moo-_-> fostah: hmmm I am not sure, but my nose tells this could be one cause
38. # [00:38] <moo-_-> fostah: also check/set manifest file etc.
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41. # [00:38] <fostah> moo-_-: I actually had to disable the manifest too because it was causing the jsonp calls to fail also
42. # [00:38] <fostah> and this app no longer has to work offline
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44. # [00:39] <moo-_-> fostah: you probably did not properly specify NETWORK: section in your manifest
45. # [00:39] <moo-_-> and fallbacks for offline
46. # [00:40] <fostah> moo-_-: I think you are right, I am the 2nd developer and I dont think the guy even put in NETWORK: *, I may have to try that
47. # [00:40] <fostah> just sucks im running on 0 hours of sleep for the past two days and all of this blows up now ahhh lol
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73. # [01:04] <eago> hi... basic question, I'm doing a webiste I would usually do in flash, but I'll try to do it in html5, so I have some animated elements in my layout, what format should I use for them? svg?
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77. # [01:05] <TRUPPP> you can use what ever format you like :D
78. # [01:05] <eago> I'm not sure what format works fine
79. # [01:05] <eago> gif has dofferent speed in different browsers
80. # [01:06] <eago> the idea is avoding swf, so no swf...
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83. # [01:06] <tw2113> css3 animations?
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86. # [01:06] <eago> not aware of other formats that support animation
87. # [01:06] <TRUPPP> canvas
88. # [01:06] <eago> hand drawn animation
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90. # [01:06] <tw2113> ah hand drawn
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92. # [01:07] <eago> yup
93. # [01:07] <OzDave_mbp> linear keyframing, which is starting on frame one and just keep drawing, objective keyframing, you plan out the start middle and finish
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95. # [01:08] <eago> hmm
96. # [01:08] <eago> like... imaghine you're doing a game... and yiu have your character jumping, what kind of graphics would you use for that
97. # [01:08] <tw2113> for that much detail and whatnot, the best option is either svg/canvas or flash still
98. # [01:08] <eago> ok
99. # [01:09] <OzDave_mbp> swapping media is the the norm
100. # [01:09] <eago> ok
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102. # [01:09] <tw2113> as much as some people detest, some things are still better left to flash
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104. # [01:10] <tw2113> which is why it's not 6 feet under anytime soon
105. # [01:10] <OzDave_mbp> the fan boys for ios5 are preventing me to download it so I can complain about it slugging out my idevice doodles
106. # [01:10] <eago> ya, I'm a flash lover, the problem is I want to be supported on iStuff
107. # [01:10] <fostah> moo-_-: YOU ARE THE MAN!
108. # [01:10] <eago> I'll look at how a layer of swf looks in an iPad
109. # [01:11] <OzDave_mbp> you could make a div, that has a png, this png has a perfect cell row of frames
110. # [01:11] <fostah> moo-_-: I setxhr.setRequestHeader('Access-Control-Allow-Origin', '*'); in my header and now the requests are working with the apple-web-capable tag
111. # [01:11] <OzDave_mbp> using the clipping of that div and an offset
112. # [01:11] <OzDave_mbp> you show the next frame in the sequence
113. # [01:12] <OzDave_mbp> a sprite atlas basically
114. # [01:12] <eago> woud that run at the same speed in every browser?
115. # [01:12] <OzDave_mbp> [cell 1 ] [cell 2] [cell 3]
116. # [01:12] <OzDave_mbp> offset 0 offset 128 offset 256 etc
117. # [01:13] <OzDave_mbp> nothing will run at the same speed of every browser unless you manage that
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119. # [01:13] <OzDave_mbp> keep in the random cpu issue as well if you deploy that
120. # [01:14] <OzDave_mbp> amd and intel produces a different random unless you deploy some extra work
121. # [01:14] <OzDave_mbp> in mind*
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123. # [01:14] <OzDave_mbp> If its a single player game the timing can be forgotten
124. # [01:14] <OzDave_mbp> I take it its multiplayer?
125. # [01:14] <eago> nope
126. # [01:14] <OzDave_mbp> is time an essential critical element?
127. # [01:14] <eago> just an interactive interface for a website
128. # [01:15] <eago> yes
129. # [01:15] <eago> is an aniamtion portafolio
130. # [01:15] <OzDave_mbp> ahh don't worry
131. # [01:15] <eago> will be seen by people with good eye for timing
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133. # [01:15] <OzDave_mbp> If you really want to deploy a lot of animation with a better time, then go a movie like a show reel
134. # [01:16] <eago> yes... the portafolio itself is movies and swf
135. # [01:16] <eago> I'm working on the ui
136. # [01:16] <eago> I guess I can juts do a simple ui
137. # [01:17] <eago> I just wanted to add some little fund details
138. # [01:17] <OzDave_mbp> they might detract from the core of the media
139. # [01:17] <b1lly> so is html5 basically "new elements" with individual JAVASCRIPT API's hooked into the DOM?
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150. # [01:45] <chovy> b1lly: that is only the html element side of it. There is a lot more wrapped up into what HTML5 is.
151. # [01:46] <chovy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5#New_APIs
152. # [01:46] <chovy> offline, canvas, geo
153. # [01:46] <chovy> css3
154. # [01:46] <MrKeuner> Does HTML5 include HTML, CSS and JS? I know html/css but don't know JS where is a good place to start learning the whole buzzword html5?
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156. # [01:47] <tw2113> html5 = html
157. # [01:47] <tw2113> css = css
158. # [01:47] <tw2113> js = js
159. # [01:47] <b1lly> MrKeuner: if I understand correctly, utilizing html5 would require some form of js
160. # [01:47] <tw2113> they just go hand in hand very very well
161. # [01:48] <MrKeuner> so, all I need to learn is learning JS for being able to author full fledged web apps?
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165. # [01:49] <chovy> b1lly: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pixer/4681732186/sizes/o/
166. # [01:50] <moo-_-> MrKeuner: you probably need to master a lot of more for "full fledged"
167. # [01:50] <moo-_-> you know, you usually need a server to store data and such
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170. # [01:52] <b1lly> chovy: what is this cross-document messaging?
171. # [01:52] <chovy> where do you see that?
172. # [01:52] <b1lly> that link you sent me
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174. # [01:53] <b1lly> under whre is html5 supported
175. # [01:53] <b1lly> first blue bullet
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177. # [01:53] <MrKeuner> moo-_-, I tried to mean a web app rather than a website by full fledged web app
178. # [01:53] <chovy> b1lly: i have not heard of that.
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180. # [01:54] <chovy> that's about the only one i'm not familiar with.
181. # [01:54] <chovy> fragment loading?
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183. # [01:54] <b1lly> chovy: beats me
184. # [01:55] <b1lly> chovy: but from my understanding, those elements have pre-built (javascript apis) backing them
185. # [01:55] <b1lly> or am i worng
186. # [01:55] <MrKeuner> so the inclusion of javascript in the html5 buzzword is wrong... html5 makes js to work easier...
187. # [01:55] <chovy> b1lly: http://www.w3.org/TR/webmessaging/#introduction
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189. # [01:56] <chovy> there are javascript apis that are considered html5. for example navigator.geoLocation.
190. # [01:56] <b1lly> and canvas
191. # [01:56] <dgathright> Don't worry about not understanding exactly what HTML5 is. It's a commonly misused term. It's like trying to define "Web 2.0"
192. # [01:57] <TRUPPP> html5 is web 3.0
193. # [01:57] <TRUPPP> :D
194. # [01:57] <chovy> b1lly: it looks like websockets for html documents.
195. # [01:58] <b1lly> is that even safe
196. # [01:58] <chovy> heh
197. # [01:58] <chovy> well, echo $_GET['foo']; is unsafe.
198. # [01:59] <MrKeuner> should I then start learning JS separately or simply start learning hTML5?
199. # [01:59] <chovy> if you do nothing else.
200. # [01:59] <chovy> that doesn't mean we should remove $_GET global from php
201. # [01:59] <b1lly> MrKeuner: learn html
202. # [01:59] <chovy> MrKeuner: pick up a book
203. # [01:59] <chovy> Peter Lubber's book is good.
204. # [02:00] <TRUPPP> you learn html5 for markup and javascript for logic
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207. # [02:00] <b1lly> chovy: right, but php handles everything serverside. and offers $_post as a more secure method
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210. # [02:03] <MrKeuner> chovy, is that an html5 book?
211. # [02:03] <MrKeuner> chovy, or javascript book
212. # [02:03] <b1lly> MrKeuner: i have a good book, but you'd need to understand html to comprehend it
213. # [02:03] <MrKeuner> b1lly, I would be happy hearing its title
214. # [02:04] <chovy> MrKeuner: html5
215. # [02:04] <MrKeuner> ok
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217. # [02:05] <MrKeuner> b1lly, I know html4, css and JAVA; don't know html5 or javascript
218. # [02:06] <b1lly> http://s3.amazonaws.com/mislav/Dive+into+HTML5.pdf
219. # [02:06] <chovy> http://diveintohtml5.info
220. # [02:07] <MrKeuner> b1lly, I was planning to read that. I wasn't sure I would learn JS as well upon reading it...
221. # [02:08] <ExpFist> HTML5 is easy and trivial
222. # [02:08] <ExpFist> javascript is what you need to know
223. # [02:09] <tw2113> html4, in terms of markup, isn't insanely different from html5
224. # [02:10] <tw2113> mostly new stuff, and simplifying of other stuff
225. # [02:10] <tw2113> on the 5 end
226. # [02:10] <ExpFist> And more importantly, you'll still get to enjoy all of the cross-browser issues :V
227. # [02:10] <tw2113> those will never fully go away
228. # [02:11] <MrKeuner> ahh
229. # [02:11] <ExpFist> For example, I still don't understand why my audio won't play in Safari
230. # [02:11] <MrKeuner> the single reason for me delaying learning javascript...
231. # [02:11] <ExpFist> In order for HTML5 to be fully successful though the best thing they could do is get rid of js reliance
232. # [02:12] <dgathright> It's true cross-browser incompatibilities will never go away. A JS library is your first line of defense though.
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234. # [02:13] <MrKeuner> dgathright, such as jquery or prototype?
235. # [02:13] <tw2113> jquery is more an added feature library
236. # [02:13] <dgathright> MrKeuner: Yes. And Mootools, YUI, Dojo, and many others.
237. # [02:14] <dgathright> It all depends on what you want to do
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239. # [02:14] <tw2113> but it is done in such a way that it has very wide browser support
240. # [02:14] <tw2113> polyfills = the lines of defense
241. # [02:14] <tw2113> for instance the html5shim/shiv for old IE + markup tags
242. # [02:15] <ExpFist> Which language would you say would be more cross compatible with HTML5+JS
243. # [02:15] <ExpFist> Actionscript 2 or 3?
244. # [02:15] <dgathright> Simple DOM manipulation? jQuery, Mootools. JS Application? YUI (v3), Dojo.
245. # [02:16] <tw2113> ExpFist you just made zero sense to me
246. # [02:16] <tw2113> actionscript = flash
247. # [02:16] <dgathright> ditto
248. # [02:16] <ExpFist> Right
249. # [02:16] <tw2113> it's dependent on flash
250. # [02:16] <ExpFist> I mean for reading a XML file for both HTML5 and Flash to play them back the same
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252. # [02:17] <ExpFist> x/y co-ordinates and what not will be specified
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254. # [02:17] <chovy> cyall tomorra
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256. # [02:18] <ExpFist> My actionscript knowledge is pretty much limited to basic animation manipulation from years back
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258. # [02:19] <tw2113> the logic process is transferrable
259. # [02:19] <ExpFist> I figure now with HTML5 not being supported by the majority to do a cross-breed
260. # [02:19] <tw2113> the syntax will probably differ a bit
261. # [02:19] <ExpFist> Trying to figure out which language to learn though
262. # [02:19] <tw2113> html5 support is growing en mass daily
263. # [02:19] <ExpFist> AS2 at a quick view appears to support x/y out of the box where I didn't see it in AS3
264. # [02:19] <tw2113> i imagine js would be a good step
265. # [02:20] <tw2113> universal support
266. # [02:20] <ExpFist> Yeah but Flash doesn't support JS, does it?
267. # [02:20] <tw2113> no
268. # [02:20] <tw2113> flash does actionscript
269. # [02:20] <ExpFist> I already know JS/HTML5
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271. # [02:20] <ExpFist> I have things animating very well in it
272. # [02:20] <tw2113> then i'm lost with what you're trying to do
273. # [02:22] <ExpFist> I want to make it so I can programmically make flash play my stuff too
274. # [02:22] <tw2113> ah
275. # [02:22] <tw2113> no idea
276. # [02:22] <ExpFist> All my data is based on HTML5 required fields, i.e. x/y co-ordinates, font size, etc..
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279. # [02:23] <tw2113> here i was hoping you were trying to migrate away from flash
280. # [02:23] <MrKeuner> may be one should simply learn dart which is simply JAVA as far as I heard...
281. # [02:23] <ExpFist> tw: i know, i'm doing what most people do backwards
282. # [02:24] <tw2113> are you sure you want to suggest that MrKeuner https://gist.github.com/1277224
283. # [02:24] <tw2113> flash isn't worth bothering with imho :D
284. # [02:24] <dgathright> Dart is v0.1, it's just a preview release and will quickly change. Play around with it? Sure. Use it for anything production-grade? No.
285. # [02:24] <MrKeuner> tw2113, hehe
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287. # [02:24] <ExpFist> Maybe not in a year or two
288. # [02:25] <tw2113> not now
289. # [02:25] <tw2113> but i'm not afraid to leave some people on ancient browsers, in the dust
290. # [02:25] <ExpFist> Well considering 50% of windows users are on XP
291. # [02:26] <ExpFist> And XP doesn't support IE9
292. # [02:26] <tw2113> and they can get fully working support for this stuff in browsers not named IE
293. # [02:26] <ExpFist> And I'm sure a large majority of those users still on XP don't use anything but IE, etc..
294. # [02:26] <tw2113> their loss imho
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296. # [02:27] <ExpFist> It is, but it's also the loss of the site that wants their business it doesn't work for them
297. # [02:27] <ExpFist> MS fucked the dog when they made IE9 Vista+ only
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299. # [02:27] <tw2113> they will again with 10 being win7+ only
300. # [02:28] <ExpFist> Is it really?
301. # [02:28] <ExpFist> Jesus
302. # [02:28] <tw2113> i wouldn't worry too much about IE10...no one uses vista
303. # [02:28] <dgathright> But but… a "modern browser" needs a "modern operating system"
304. # [02:28] <ExpFist> I really feel sorry for anyone who paid for Vista
305. # [02:28] * dgathright rolls eyes
306. # [02:29] <MrKeuner> ExpFist, as if you don't for other versions of windows?
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308. # [02:30] <ExpFist> Maybe but being unbiased Windows 7 is fairly decent
309. # [02:31] <MrKeuner> glad to hear that, windows has been making the Internet very unsafe
310. # [02:31] <ExpFist> You put an idiot behind Linux and they'll make it even more unsafe IMHO
311. # [02:31] <ExpFist> Unless you pull an apple and lock them out of it I guess
312. # [02:31] <MrKeuner> idiots will make anything unsafe
313. # [02:32] <MrKeuner> and windows is idiot
314. # [02:32] <tw2113> idiots behind a linux machine would be able to do less harm since windows prompts them and is easily overridden and told to do it anyway
315. # [02:33] <MrKeuner> ExpFist, I was refering to the default installation...
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317. # [02:33] <MrKeuner> anyways, good for everyone that windows is getting some sanity
318. # [02:35] <ExpFist> The most vulnerable part of Windows now is adobe shit now
319. # [02:36] <ExpFist> Which is bad since most companies have gotten good at patching Windows, but don't have the tools to path other stuff
320. # [02:37] <ExpFist> Anyway, bbl
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328. # [03:04] <OzDave_mbp> common sense is the first line, anything inbound like emails etc as well being another
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411. # [05:56] <paul_irish> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69994 Reparse invalid XHTML documents as HTML
412. # [05:56] <paul_irish> muahhaah
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416. # [06:05] <YamahaAlex> hey
417. # [06:06] <YamahaAlex> how do i accomplish something like this
418. # [06:06] <YamahaAlex> http://promotions.newegg.com/
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422. # [06:10] <paul_irish> Directory Listing Denied
423. # [06:10] <paul_irish> This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed.
424. # [06:10] <paul_irish> simple HTML!
425. # [06:11] <YamahaAlex> i want to be able to post content, like this
426. # [06:11] <YamahaAlex> http://promotions.newegg.com/neemail/oct-0-2011/hardware06/index-landing.html?nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL100611&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL100611-_-EMC-100611-Index-_-Header-banner-_-AllDeals
427. # [06:11] <YamahaAlex> but if a user deletes part of the url, i want the directory blocked, like i showed
428. # [06:13] <paul_irish> this channel cant help you out with that. sorry :/
429. # [06:14] <YamahaAlex> ok
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495. # [08:59] <ic_johns1on> What do you guys think is best to use for styling a simple menu; canvas or svg? Can't really seem to get the canvases working, giving me a headache. :] It needs to be scaleable
496. # [09:01] <tw2113> css?
497. # [09:01] <shwetank> Styling a simple menu? Whats wrong with CSS? ;)
498. # [09:02] <ic_johns1on> ok not that simple, scaling animation on hovering etc.
499. # [09:02] <ic_johns1on> what do you think?
500. # [09:03] <shwetank> like this? http://experimenting.in/css3/found.htm
501. # [09:04] <shwetank> what do you want to scale (or animate) ... the individual menu entries on hover i suppose?
502. # [09:06] <tw2113> will the menu actually lead anywhere? or is it just mostly style?
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504. # [09:08] <ic_johns1on> each menu item will be a polygon which is not easily made in css
505. # [09:09] <ic_johns1on> I guess I could use slants, but
506. # [09:09] <ic_johns1on> the thing is I wont get good hovering effects if I use them
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508. # [09:10] <tw2113> background images for the shapes?
509. # [09:12] <ic_johns1on> each shape has different color.
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511. # [09:12] <ic_johns1on> sometimes you just dont see the easier thing :)
512. # [09:12] <ic_johns1on> -s*
513. # [09:13] <tw2113> image sprite
514. # [09:13] <shwetank> oh btw, we've released Opera 12 Alpha now .... in case people want to try it out .... has new html5 parser, hardware accel, webgl and other stuff
515. # [09:14] <tw2113> +1
516. # [09:14] <shwetank> oops .... url is here http://www.opera.com/browser/next/
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519. # [09:18] <ic_johns1on> making it in css now
520. # [09:18] <ic_johns1on> thanks :]
521. # [09:18] <tw2113> we just saved some hairs on his head shwetank
522. # [09:18] <shwetank> tw2113: :)
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577. # [11:08] <rahmen> Hi! Is there a "play for X seconds"-function in the video element? I haven't found a good reference list of functions such as video.play().
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579. # [11:09] <shwetank> no play for x second function, but you could make one yourself using JS .... you might also want to check out http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/everything-you-need-to-know-about-html5-video-and-audio/
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581. # [11:13] <Dorward> shwetank: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/the-iframe-element.html#media-elements
582. # [11:14] <shwetank> hmmm
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608. # [11:57] <moo-_-> has anyone played around with requirejs?
609. # [11:59] <Epeli> plah script loaders
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615. # [12:21] <phrearch> hey
616. # [12:22] <phrearch> yea using it alot
617. # [12:22] <phrearch> works great, except for that order plugin :/
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619. # [12:24] <phrearch> hm, i wonder if anyone ever thought of running webkit on the serverside as part of a webgl-based virtual world server
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668. # [14:10] <jetienne_> phrearch: why running webgl on a server ? i mean this is a display layer. i dont understand why one would display stuff on server
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684. # [14:35] <moo-_-> phrearch: I am doing it
685. # [14:35] <moo-_-> running webGL on the server
686. # [14:35] <|3b|> why not desktop GL?
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688. # [14:36] <moo-_-> because it's a web server doing web stuff for you and running in some bunker somewhere :)
689. # [14:36] <|3b|> if you control the hardware and software, you'd miss out on a lot of performance limiting yourself to webgl
690. # [14:36] <moo-_-> and because webGL happens to be how Javascript interacts with OpenGL
691. # [14:36] <|3b|> no, webgl is opengl es trimmed down for browsers :p
692. # [14:36] <jetienne_> moo-_-: and what do you do with webgl on a server ?
693. # [14:37] <jetienne_> apparently im only one to be surprised :)
694. # [14:37] <moo-_-> jetienne_: run 3D animations and record videos out of them
695. # [14:37] * |3b| can see use cases for server rendering, but seems like webgl isn't the best choice there
696. # [14:37] <moo-_-> it is not
697. # [14:38] <moo-_-> but it's an easy choice
698. # [14:38] <moo-_-> or
699. # [14:38] <jetienne_> moo-_-: oh ok
700. # [14:38] <moo-_-> depends the definition of "best" here
701. # [14:38] * |3b| finds pushing the work to the client an easier choice :)
702. # [14:38] <moo-_-> for me the best choice is what needs less code
703. # [14:38] <moo-_-> I don't care performance
704. # [14:38] * |3b| doesn't use JS on server, so that makes normal GL an easier choice too
705. # [14:39] <|3b|> doesn't node have any bindings for real GL though?
706. # [14:39] <moo-_-> not as far as I know
707. # [14:39] <moo-_-> but when they materialize
708. # [14:39] <jetienne_> yep there is an experiment on this from creationix
709. # [14:39] <moo-_-> I am the first one to jump on them
710. # [14:40] <jetienne_> https://github.com/creationix/node-webgl
711. # [14:40] <|3b|> in that case, stuff that exists is a good choice over stuff that doesn't, if it works well enough :)
712. # [14:40] <jetienne_> http://minimason.no.de/game/ they published this demo for knockout
713. # [14:41] <jetienne_> thinking... there is a webgl in the title
714. # [14:43] <moo-_-> let's call it servergl
715. # [14:43] <moo-_-> :)
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719. # [14:46] <jetienne_> https://github.com/creationix/node-webgl/blob/master/src/webgl.cc contains actual gl calls tho
720. # [14:46] <jetienne_> we are tranforming #html5 in #webgl ...
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737. # [15:07] <pa7> paul_irish: do you know something about the new billing service request in gmaps? just checked out some of my open source examples which use gmaps and was wondering what that request is doing :o
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758. # [15:37] <marouanos> Hello every body, a classic question: what is the diff between GET and POST
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769. # [15:53] <aamir-m> marouanos: In simple word, GET allows yout o query the website whereas through POST you submit the data...
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774. # [16:06] <krater> render order like attribute in html elements is not a good idea?
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793. # [16:37] <JonathanNeal> hia
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797. # [16:43] <phrearch> sorry, was afk
798. # [16:44] <phrearch> the idea of running webgl on the server as well, is for instance when you got a virtual world that needs serverside rendering for things like maps
799. # [16:45] <phrearch> that javascript port of bullet could for instance run also serverside
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801. # [16:45] <phrearch> it could be handy to have the same renderer available on the serverside
802. # [16:46] <phrearch> ^ @ jetienne
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806. # [16:50] <JonathanNeal> </case>
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808. # [16:51] <phrearch> <case>webgl virtual world combined with gis maps</case>
809. # [16:52] <phrearch> rendering tiles of virtual space on top of openstreetmap
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814. # [17:00] <paul_irish> pa7: no idea
815. # [17:00] <masondesu> what's up dudes
816. # [17:00] <masondesu> long time no irc
817. # [17:01] <paul_irish> suppp
818. # [17:01] <masondesu> @paul_irish how's the West Coast this morning?
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822. # [17:06] <paul_irish> smells like pies
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824. # [17:09] <jakefolio> paul_irish: what kind of pies?
825. # [17:09] <jakefolio> it smells like peach cobbler in Texas :)
826. # [17:09] <paul_irish> sweet and savory. but i can only smell the sweet. like ginger pear
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889. # [18:24] <gtklocker> Hey guys, seen that? http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3107686
890. # [18:24] <gtklocker> It's pretty awesome IMHO.
891. # [18:24] <gtklocker> Supports all the damn platforms.
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897. # [18:29] <jakefolio> I'm assuming they're using something like socket.io/web sockets
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901. # [18:30] <gtklocker> It's still darn amazing though.
902. # [18:30] <jakefolio> no, it's definitely cool
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920. # [18:47] <Guest35367> Html5 DND help-chess board see http://www.buryknightschess.org.uk/play-chess/
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925. # [18:55] <Guest35367> Anyone here? I'm looking for help with html5 dnd chessboard see Html5 DND help-chess board see
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927. # [18:56] <Guest35367> See http://www.buryknightschess.org.uk/play-chess/
928. # [18:58] <Guest35367> Seems there is no reply to my help call-I may try later
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978. # [19:58] <monteslu> I've got so much work to do today, but I can't stop playing with WebGL maps
979. # [19:58] <monteslu> thanks, google
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983. # [19:59] <moo-_-> monteslu: try #webgl
984. # [19:59] <moo-_-> the channel
985. # [20:00] <monteslu> naw, it's cool. I like spreading the general html5 diarreah of the mind here :)
986. # [20:00] <monteslu> and I'm already there
987. # [20:01] <moo-_-> monteslu: in diarreah?
988. # [20:01] <moo-_-> :)
989. # [20:01] <monteslu> haha
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998. # [20:17] <JonathanNeal> I had no idea even the <html> tag was option.
999. # [20:17] <JonathanNeal> *optional
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1011. # [20:33] <hober> paul_irish: obligatory "why doesn't mapsgl work in safari with webgl enabled" complaint :)
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1015. # [20:39] <hober> paul_irish: I imagine there's some gross UA sniffing going on
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1021. # [20:45] <monteslu> hober, dont feel bad. at least you guys get working accelerometers :)
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1038. # [21:03] <hober> monteslu: heh
1039. # [21:04] <paul_irish> hober: i think apps UA sniff in general and they want more control than leaving it up to feature detects
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1041. # [21:04] <paul_irish> also
1042. # [21:04] <paul_irish> more importantly
1043. # [21:04] <paul_irish> there is no way to feature test webgl cleanly
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1045. # [21:04] <paul_irish> at least. between me the chrome and ff gpu engineers, we havent isolated a good one
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1056. # [21:14] <hober> paul_irish: if (Modernizr.webgl) {...} :)
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1059. # [21:15] <paul_irish> Oooooh
1060. # [21:15] <paul_irish> good call. :p
1061. # [21:15] <jetienne_> document.createElement( 'canvas' ).getContext( 'experimental-webgl' ) <- not clean enougth ?
1062. # [21:15] <paul_irish> well now that crashing is down due to very agressive GPU blacklisting maybe we could spin up a context again
1063. # [21:16] <paul_irish> window.WebGLRenderingContext is too loose
1064. # [21:16] <hober> paul_irish: do you have a suggestion for how to make webgl more feature-detectable? I can walk down to cmarrin's office and try to get him to add something :)
1065. # [21:16] <paul_irish> and in webkit you can see if 3d transforms are enabled because if they arent then you're blacklisted or something
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1067. # [21:17] <paul_irish> hober: basically window.WebGLRenderingContext shouldnt exist if webgl wont work
1068. # [21:17] <paul_irish> that would be ideal.
1069. # [21:17] <paul_irish> i have a feeling that'd be unreasoanble to implementors
1070. # [21:17] <paul_irish> if cmarrin thinks checking if a webgl context is returned is good enough
1071. # [21:17] <paul_irish> then that may be fine
1072. # [21:17] <hober> I'll ask
1073. # [21:18] <paul_irish> but it has memory implications, from what i understand
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1079. # [21:26] <monteslu> new v8 with fixed GC, webgl maps, and an icecream sandwich statue. Anything else happening today paul_irish ?
1080. # [21:27] <jetienne_> icescream sandwich ?
1081. # [21:27] <monteslu> android 4
1082. # [21:27] <monteslu> or 3.wahtever. I lost track
1083. # [21:28] <jetienne_> ok
1084. # [21:28] <monteslu> lots of googleness today
1085. # [21:28] <jetienne_> :)
1086. # [21:29] <paul_irish> monteslu: probably
1087. # [21:30] <monteslu> hehe cool
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1093. # [21:40] <Endeson> Hi.
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1095. # [21:43] <tw2113> yo
1096. # [21:43] <jakefolio> howdy
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1103. # [21:51] <Endeson> I've a footer tag at the bottom, and I want to layout & design it with css. Is it a good Idea to style the element directly or should I use wrapping divs?
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1105. # [21:51] <tw2113> directly is perfectly fine and capable
1106. # [21:52] <tw2113> with old IE, and probably ancient versions of the other browsers, you'll need a touch of js to get it to style properly
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1118. # [22:04] <Endeson> tw2113: Ok, thanks. I don't care much about outdated browsers, but about best practises
1119. # [22:05] <tw2113> footer { color: #f00; } would make all the text in the footer red
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1121. # [22:05] <tw2113> unless more specific stuff overrides it :D
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1131. # [22:20] <Pomax> hmm, does anyone know whether there a JS command that will stop Safari dead its track while loading a page? window.stop() and document.execCommand("stop") simply stop loading, but lets javascript keep on doing its thing
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1133. # [22:21] <jakefolio> Pomax: why would you want that/
1134. # [22:21] <jakefolio> ?
1135. # [22:21] <Pomax> there's a curious Drupal slideshow/CSS error in safari only
1136. # [22:21] <Pomax> and it only shows right after pageload. the moment a new image slides in, it's gone.
1137. # [22:22] <Pomax> so I want to kill the hell out of js so I can inspect the elements
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1147. # [22:29] <TRUPPP> Pomax: <body onpageload="dontDo();"> and dontDo has an loop which runs forever and stops the other js functions
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1149. # [22:30] <TRUPPP> but thats a dirty solution :D
1150. # [22:31] <Pomax> plus one that doesn't work
1151. # [22:32] <Pomax> that kills things off after pageload
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1153. # [22:32] <Pomax> which means it might kill of things before whatever js places the slideshow takes place
1154. # [22:32] <Pomax> I need a button similar to Firefox's nojs/noscript "turn off javascript"
1155. # [22:32] <Pomax> which is damn handy...
1156. # [22:34] <paul_irish> Pomax: you could redefine basically all typical APIs with a noop
1157. # [22:34] <paul_irish> including Function.prototype.bind = function(){}
1158. # [22:34] <paul_irish> mUAHAHAHAHA
1159. # [22:34] <paul_irish> and call and apply
1160. # [22:34] <paul_irish> mauahhaha
1161. # [22:35] <jakefolio> define(TRUE, 0);
1162. # [22:35] <paul_irish> yeah redefine Function.prototype.call to noop and i think you'd... hmmm ...
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1166. # [22:37] <Pomax> downside there is then inspection won't work ;)
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1168. # [22:37] <Pomax> I tried setting jquery to noop, but that didn't work =)
1169. # [22:38] <Pomax> it's that someone's paying me to do this, or I'd have ignored safari long ago >_>
1170. # [22:38] <Pomax> chrome's behaving just fine
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1175. # [22:45] <Pomax> nice. turns out "padding 0px 10px 10px 10px" on a 1000px div with a 980px image in it somehow means that 10+980+10 = 1000 and oh my god that's the same as the element's width and quick, pull a 10px top padding from nowhere so that it fits.
1176. # [22:45] <Pomax> which... doesn't even make sense. thanks, safari.
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1179. # [22:49] <moo-_-> Pomax: you must have worms in your apple :)
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1181. # [22:52] <Pomax> oh it gets better. Safari for win.
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1183. # [22:52] <Pomax> I don't even know why it needs to be supported, who in their right mind would use safari on windows T_T
1184. # [22:52] <Thasmo> Anyone here who can help me with -moz-clip-path?
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