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  52. # [02:22] <SiliconG> hello
  53. # [02:23] <SiliconG> anyone out there know of a good tutorial to get me started with landing pages that have hidden / visible states that refresh after a little while… there are a few sites that are doing this now and I want to know how they are doing it
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  57. # [02:32] <Pomax> SiliconG, not sure what you mean?
  58. # [02:33] <SiliconG> Pomax -- have you see the magento home page?
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  60. # [02:34] <SiliconG> If you disable cookies it has a really nice load in screen -- I want to know how they did that - I have been looking at there code all day
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  62. # [02:34] <SiliconG> not really all day :)
  63. # [02:34] <SiliconG> but for an hour and I can't figure out what they are doing -- I think they are using some kind of javascript refresh but I can't figure out how
  64. # [02:36] <Pomax> looking at the source it's simply a lot of normal content with classes for each set that transitions in, and some jQuery to make everything fade in at the designated time.
  65. # [02:36] <Pomax> sloppily the DOM is not cleaned up after all the transitions are done =)
  66. # [02:37] <Pomax> have a look at http://api.jquery.com/fadeIn/
  67. # [02:37] <SiliconG> I did look at the dom and it seems to be javascript animating opacity but I still can't figure it out
  68. # [02:38] <SiliconG> there you go… thanks
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  70. # [02:39] <Pomax> And all I remember of magento is how horrible a product it was when we had to set it up for a client... the community edition seemed intentionally not-fixed to force people to fork over lots of money for the full commercial version with payed support
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  72. # [02:40] <SiliconG> Pomax what is your company? what do you use for commerce?
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  75. # [02:42] <Pomax> this was for some freelance web work, setting up a motorbike parts store's website.
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  77. # [02:43] <Pomax> the company building the page had decided on magento, but making it behave was a chore. both the comapny and I decided to not try to use it again, too many "just a small things that doesn't work"
  78. # [02:43] <Pomax> *thing
  79. # [02:43] <Pomax> when it works, it works great. when it doesn't, it's hours of trying to find out why =(
  80. # [02:44] <Pomax> (the lack of up to date and detailed documentation doesn't help of course)
  81. # [02:46] <SiliconG> do you work for yourself?
  82. # [02:46] <Pomax> for the moment. I moved countries, so I'm between real jobs atm =)
  83. # [02:47] <SiliconG> looking for any freelance work?
  84. # [02:47] <Pomax> not really, I'm pretty set for freelance work atm
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  91. # [02:57] <JonathanNeal> ahoy
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  93. # [02:58] <JonathanNeal> Blasted HTML5 not having one audio format to rule them all.
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  177. # [07:46] <bzpzlr> free beer on #ncfsb.
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  184. # [08:19] <moshee> I'm having a really annoying problem in chrome - http://grab.by/b4m8 - it's rendering my helvetica kind of weird. The colored text shows up thicker than the normal text. Doesn't happen anywhere else. Anyone know of this?
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  215. # [09:50] <gyzmodo> hey guys
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  218. # [09:52] <gf3> NO
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  220. # [09:54] <gyzmodo> i've this code: http://pastebin.com/cnYiDu3J
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  222. # [09:54] <gyzmodo> is it correct usage?
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  229. # [10:09] <gyzmodo> anybody here?
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  232. # [10:10] <dwebb> gyzmodo· http://cultleader.org/
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  235. # [10:18] <gyzmodo> don't show me your portfolio
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  344. # [17:23] <eighty4> Might not really be a #html5 question so shout at me if you want. Looking at http://csslint.net/ it seems that a lot of warnings are flawed. It seems to suggest that you shouldn't use multiple h1 styles. Yet it's perfectly ok to have multiple h1 on a page and hence you should be allowed to style them differently. it also suggest to not use ids in selectors. But isn't "#foobar ul" a faster selector than "section .foo
  345. # [17:23] <eighty4> .bar ul"?
  346. # [17:24] <Ms2ger`> Lint tools tend to reflect mostly whatever their author likes, more than any rational arguments
  347. # [17:25] <Ms2ger`> As for faster, that really only applies if the id selector is the right-most part of the selector
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  350. # [17:27] <eighty4> Ms2ger`: so #foobar ul might actually be slower than section .foo .bar ul?
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  352. # [17:28] <Ms2ger`> I doubt there's a significant difference
  353. # [17:28] <Ms2ger`> That might change as browsers get smarter, of course
  354. # [17:29] <Ms2ger`> And the latter might be slower due to the number of components
  355. # [17:31] <eighty4> right. So suggesting to never use ids would be bad.
  356. # [17:31] <Ms2ger`> I certainly wouldn't suggest that
  357. # [17:31] <eighty4> not using ids at all will also, most likely, result in longer selectors
  358. # [17:31] <eighty4> hence larger css files
  359. # [17:31] <eighty4> I really should post a question about this...
  360. # [17:31] <eighty4> meh
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  363. # [17:39] <dabear> eighty4: chrome is faster with "#foobar ul" than "section .foo .bar ul"
  364. # [17:39] <dabear> opera not
  365. # [17:40] <dabear> http://jsperf.com/test-document-queryselector
  366. # [17:40] <dabear> querySelectorAll uses the browsers builtin css parser
  367. # [17:41] <eighty4> dabear: given the user base of opera vs chrome you should suggest ids then :)
  368. # [17:41] <dabear> nope
  369. # [17:42] <dabear> the differences is small, and this is when run several hundred times
  370. # [17:43] <eighty4> dabear: it's at least not slower.
  371. # [17:43] <eighty4> and imo "An id shows more clearly what you're targeting." and "Not using id might force you to stack multiple classes and hence increase the css size." is good reasons for using ids
  372. # [17:45] <dabear> optimizing your selectors is not something you generally need to do
  373. # [17:45] <dabear> because they are so fast anyway
  374. # [17:45] <eighty4> right
  375. # [17:45] <eighty4> my starting point was. I see no reason to rewrite all your id selectors to use something different :)
  376. # [17:46] <dabear> agreed
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  381. # [17:53] <eighty4> there we go, a ticked filed and a question asked
  382. # [17:53] <dabear> what ticket?
  383. # [17:53] <eighty4> on the csslint project
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  385. # [17:54] <eighty4> they warn you when you redeclare h1. that's an error imo. and I asked about their reasoning behind warning about ids
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  568. # [23:37] <diogogmt> Hey guys
  569. # [23:37] <diogogmt> I have a little problem
  570. # [23:37] <diogogmt> I need to do some html parsing in a webworker
  571. # [23:38] <diogogmt> I juest need to access the document object to move through the nodes, I don't want to modify the main page
  572. # [23:38] <diogogmt> is there a way to use the document object in a worker thread?
  573. # [23:38] * Frippe_ is now known as Frippe
  574. # [23:38] <diogogmt> kind of include the document model? something like that
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