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  109. # [04:46] <woopwoop> can someone tell me what's wrong here? http://jsfiddle.net/7Vutm/ header and section are block elements aren't they?
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  193. # [07:48] <Conti> does anyone have an opinion on what the "best" localstorage abstraction layer is
  194. # [07:49] <Conti> I keep going back and forth on using web sql db and localstorage, i looked into persistence.js but it's a bit bloated for my needs
  195. # [07:52] <Conti> i'm leaning toward lawnchair
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  232. # [08:50] <robertstuttaford> so i'm using the h5boilerplate (awesome stuff)
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  234. # [08:51] <robertstuttaford> well, actually a sass/compass-ified version
  235. # [08:51] <robertstuttaford> i have a question about @media queries
  236. # [08:51] <robertstuttaford> is it ok for me to use lots of them? or should i only have one query per target size?
  237. # [08:52] <robertstuttaford> i ask because i'm using sass/compass and i'm building a web-app, so my css is all componentised, and i'd really like to put all the css for each component (at each resolution) together in one file
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  247. # [09:08] <Federico> hello
  248. # [09:08] <Federico> I had a question, is about canvas
  249. # [09:09] <Federico> i'm making a scroller game in canvas... I'm drawing to a "not show" canvas and in the end, I paint it
  250. # [09:10] <Federico> but even being this, with a 800 x 800 extension , gets much cpu (around 50 %) I could be doing something bad ?
  251. # [09:10] <mokush> isn't :first-line supposed to also work on generated content? like :before:first-line ?
  252. # [09:10] <Federico> i already read http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/canvas/performance/
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  271. # [09:20] <niftylettuce_> if there are any html5/jade pros out there that want to solve this riddle, please go for it and let us know your findings https://gist.github.com/888338
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  277. # [09:32] <niftylettuce_> and by riddle I mean making that cleaner
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  348. # [11:51] <sedovsek> Hey! Is there a way to adjust "text-decoration" underline size?
  349. # [11:51] <sedovsek> It's height.
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  363. # [12:20] <gyzmodo> sedovsek, do you mean height?
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  425. # [14:47] <manuchill> divya, can u tell me when opera 12 will be released?
  426. # [14:47] <shwetank> mau
  427. # [14:47] <divya> manuchill: i cant, but its soonish.
  428. # [14:47] <divya> :)
  429. # [14:47] <shwetank> manuchill: 12 alpha is released .... soon
  430. # [14:48] <shwetank> *sorry, final will be released soon
  431. # [14:48] <shwetank> 12 alpha is already there, check it out if you havent
  432. # [14:48] <manuchill> i have, thx.... it seems that this version supports inline svg now...sweet
  433. # [14:48] <shwetank> yup :)
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  445. # [15:07] <manuchill> divya, shwetank, thx for the lightning fast replies...btw :)
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  447. # [15:08] <divya> np manuchill
  448. # [15:08] <shwetank> no problemo
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  450. # [15:10] <shwetank> http://html5doctor.com/dive-into-html5-doctor/
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  465. # [15:26] <MrTopless> Hello I have a question, about adding a linked text to facebook profile.
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  501. # [16:11] <michelem> hello folks
  502. # [16:11] <michelem> html5 instructs to position <header>s inside sections/articles as opposed to before them
  503. # [16:12] <michelem> this caused me problems with both CSS styling and javascript effects such as collapse
  504. # [16:13] <michelem> how do you address this? Do you add a semantic-less "section" around the content after <header> just to provide JS and CSS the hook?
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  508. # [16:22] <drublic> michelem: for site-headers i'm using an extra id (<header id="header">), for headers in sections or articles I use some general nested styling like `section header {}`. For the content that follows for this section I use divs if I want to target them, because another section tag means some drawbacks on the outline of the document. also divs are not deprecated in HTML5 and I think this might be a use case where they fit: you d
  509. # [16:22] <drublic> on't want to provide any further meaning or something, just styles and manipulations
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  519. # [16:36] <michelem> makes sense
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  521. # [16:36] <michelem> essentially you do introduce semantic-less blocks, just making sure to use "div"s which carry no semantic
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  558. # [17:41] <MrTopless> Hi anyone knows how to make a linked text in facebook page profile info?
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  592. # [18:27] <jiggawhat> guys how do I view a site on a mac
  593. # [18:27] <jiggawhat> but an iphone simulator type
  594. # [18:27] <jiggawhat> so i can see how it'll look on an iphone
  595. # [18:27] <jiggawhat> without having to literally check on a phone
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  622. # [19:01] <trumpetmic> radio cehck
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  625. # [19:02] <trumpetmic> does the placeholder attribute provide accessibility? can it be used in leu of a <label>?
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  627. # [19:03] <miketaylr> "The placeholder attribute should not be used as an alternative to a label."
  628. # [19:03] <miketaylr> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-placeholder-attribute
  629. # [19:05] <trumpetmic> thanks!
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  640. # [19:14] <jakefolio> ahhh finally landed in San Jose
  641. # [19:14] <jakefolio> how is everyone?
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  679. # [20:17] <taylorRichie> I know this is HTML5, and not CSS, but do you guys know a good way to center floats? I have a series of divs (company logos, with a little info) they fit the grid fine when there are 4 of them, but when there are only 3, then of course they float left. The client wants them centered. Short of padding the left side to fake center them, is there a good tactic?
  680. # [20:18] <Pomax> that doesn't make a lot of sense
  681. # [20:19] <Pomax> from a conceptual point of view at least.
  682. # [20:19] <taylorRichie> http://www.respectedaccess.org/open-access/index.php?id=4
  683. # [20:19] <Pomax> it sounds like you're doing a table, so why not make your divs table-cell instead
  684. # [20:19] <Pomax> or at least, a table-row
  685. # [20:20] <taylorRichie> See how the top row fits nicely… but then the second row has 2 partners to the left…
  686. # [20:20] <taylorRichie> they'd like to see it centered instead of left justified...
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  694. # [20:32] <Pomax> I don't know whether this theme offers some way to do this, but generally the idea of a float "filling the remaining horizontal space" makes no sense, because it's an inline element. it already fills the remaining space, because the content space ends with the last float there is.
  695. # [20:32] <Pomax> Much like trying to get a <span> to fill "the rest of the line". The line ends where it ends.
  696. # [20:33] <Pomax> It might be possible with some really creative tinkering, but I don't know of a way to do so. I do know that it's a good idea to stay away from floats for content blocks that need to be aware of their surroundings.
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  699. # [20:34] <d4rklit3> hello
  700. # [20:35] <d4rklit3> anyone worked with EaselJS before?
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  705. # [20:44] <taylorRichie> Thanks Pomax… I'll probably fake center them using an empty div…
  706. # [20:45] <Pomax> I'd probably actually just write a quick jquery solution
  707. # [20:46] <Pomax> it looks like a fixed width grid, so just grab all .g240, compute their width sums, and for any set that doesn't sum up to full width, call .css("width", whathteirwidthshouldbe)
  708. # [20:46] <Pomax> *their
  709. # [20:46] <taylorRichie> @d4rklit3 - http://matthewlein.com/ceaser/ (I was looking at this the other day)
  710. # [20:46] <d4rklit3> ?
  711. # [20:46] <taylorRichie> That's smart… good thinking...
  712. # [20:46] <d4rklit3> cool
  713. # [20:47] <taylorRichie> Oh sorry easeljs… I was thinking an EASING JS
  714. # [20:47] <d4rklit3> is this a library
  715. # [20:47] <d4rklit3> hah
  716. # [20:47] <d4rklit3> yeah can i use this with canvas elements?
  717. # [20:47] <d4rklit3> i really dont know shit about css3 animation
  718. # [20:47] <d4rklit3> im doin canvas stuff atm
  719. # [20:48] <taylorRichie> @pomax, the link I sent is actually the old version, I'm working on a 2.0 of the site… so using your logic I think I can make it do what I need.
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  778. # [22:29] <danbeam__> anybody know if there's support for -o-animation / @-o-keyframes yet?
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  780. # [22:31] <danbeam> @ miketaylr ?
  781. # [22:31] <bot-t> (192 hours ago) <divya> tell danbeam woah too late :/
  782. # [22:31] <miketaylr> hey danbeam
  783. # [22:31] <miketaylr> danbeam: we're working on it, not finished yet
  784. # [22:31] <danbeam> miketaylr: cool!
  785. # [22:31] <miketaylr> ONE HUNDRED NINETY TWO HOURS AGO
  786. # [22:31] <danbeam> miketaylr: glad to hear it
  787. # [22:31] <danbeam> yeah, lol, rite?
  788. # [22:31] <miketaylr> \o/
  789. # [22:31] <miketaylr> how's google?
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  791. # [22:31] <danbeam> miketaylr: :D awesome
  792. # [22:31] <miketaylr> i bet
  793. # [22:32] <danbeam> miketaylr: :)
  794. # [22:32] <danbeam> miketaylr: I mean, it's not Opera, but it'll have to do, :P
  795. # [22:32] <miketaylr> hehe
  796. # [22:32] <danbeam> miketaylr: I work on the New Tab Page in Chrome, so I can use all the HTML5 / CSS3 / ES5 stuff NAO!
  797. # [22:33] * danbeam inb4 ?csb
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  799. # [22:33] <paul_irish> ?csb3
  800. # [22:33] <bot-t> http://i.imgur.com/X7DSh.jpg
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  802. # [22:33] <danbeam> paul_irish: jawesome
  803. # [22:33] <danbeam> ?csb2
  804. # [22:33] <bot-t> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-AW0x2NgnRJY/TmuV6atbcEI/AAAAAAAAP4A/Ebo6KFw5vfU/w269/tumblr_lfwgea51pB1qeldvv.gif
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  806. # [22:33] <miketaylr> ah, so you're the guy i can make fun of for view-source:chrome://newtab/
  807. # [22:33] <danbeam> miketaylr: ya, sure, haha
  808. # [22:34] <miketaylr> :P
  809. # [22:34] <danbeam> miketaylr: JS/CSS standards are different at Google - not quite the same as everywhere else
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  811. # [22:37] <miketaylr> in a good way?
  812. # [22:38] <danbeam> miketaylr: define good ?
  813. # [22:38] <miketaylr> lol
  814. # [22:38] <danbeam> just un-conventional, I'd say
  815. # [22:38] <danbeam> .cloud span:nth-of-type(1) { height: 100px; width: 100px;
  816. # [22:38] * jacine is now known as jacine|meeting
  817. # [22:38] <danbeam> whoops
  818. # [22:38] <danbeam> http://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/javascriptguide.xml
  819. # [22:38] <miketaylr> to the cloud!
  820. # [22:38] <danbeam> heh
  821. # [22:39] <miketaylr> mmm xml
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  823. # [22:39] <danbeam> miketaylr: that style guide might have guidelines that are different than parts of the community (*cough* JSLint *cough*) believe in
  824. # [22:39] <danbeam> miketaylr: so, not really good/bad, just different
  825. # [22:39] <miketaylr> i can dig it
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  827. # [22:39] <miketaylr> as long as everyone is on the same page, that really doesn't matter much
  828. # [22:40] <danbeam> miketaylr: we also don't really use a mainstream library (jQuery/Prototype/YUI/Mootools, etc.)
  829. # [22:40] <danbeam> miketaylr: yeah
  830. # [22:40] <danbeam> miketaylr: and we're able to use CSS3 transitions instead of animation libs
  831. # [22:40] <miketaylr> do you use closure?
  832. # [22:40] <danbeam> miketaylr: kinda
  833. # [22:40] <miketaylr> fun
  834. # [22:40] <danbeam> miketaylr: the same dude that wrote parts (if not all) of closure make a JS framework
  835. # [22:40] <danbeam> miketaylr: for Chrome's WebUI stuff
  836. # [22:41] <danbeam> miketaylr: but it's not really so much of a DOM manipulation lib
  837. # [22:41] <danbeam> miketaylr: as we only deal with webkit, so there are few inconsistencies
  838. # [22:41] <miketaylr> yeah, makes sense
  839. # [22:42] <paul_irish> http://kaazingcorp.cachefly.net/com/file/kaazing-training-happy-halloween.pdf <= html5 logo pumpkin carving kit
  840. # [22:42] <danbeam> miketaylr: and we also package our scripts inside of chrome, so there's less WPO involved
  841. # [22:42] <miketaylr> ?ud WPO
  842. # [22:42] <bot-t> miketaylr, POW! WOP! - POW! A word which can represent both greeting and sheer happiness of a situation! WOP! the POW in reverse, to end the greeting. (This ritual can be taken further with 2 gestures: A high kick accompanied by Jazz hands and saying POW! On Entry! or a Fist bump)
  843. # [22:42] <miketaylr> haha
  844. # [22:42] <miketaylr> ah, perf
  845. # [22:42] <danbeam> miketaylr: wat? Web Performance Optimization
  846. # [22:42] <miketaylr> sorry, i'm slow
  847. # [22:43] <danbeam> miketaylr: sorry for the buzz word, heh
  848. # [22:43] <miketaylr> i was like... word press wat
  849. # [22:43] <danbeam> paul_irish: I'm so doing that
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  876. # [23:28] <chovy> howdy?
  877. # [23:28] <chovy> o rather howdy!
  878. # [23:29] <chovy> or*
  879. # [23:29] <chovy> man, did i f--k up that greeting.
  880. # [23:29] * chovy crawls back into his shell.
  881. # [23:30] <jakefolio> lol….was up chovy
  882. # [23:30] <chovy> hey jakefolio
  883. # [23:30] <chovy> decided to use jquery-ui d-n-d instead of html5.
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  885. # [23:31] <jakefolio> "d-n-d"?
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  889. # [23:36] <chovy> drag-and-drop
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  907. # [23:59] <d4rklit3> does anyone know why when i open up this canvas thing on my ipad my images get scaled?
  908. # [23:59] <d4rklit3> is there something i need to put in css
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  910. # [23:59] <d4rklit3> one image gets scaled
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