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  20. # [00:22] <xonecas> o/
  21. # [00:23] <tw2113> xonecas
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  41. # [00:55] <xonecas> tw2113: *tip of the hat*
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  46. # [01:00] <xonecas> is anyone participating on the media queries mozilla dev derby?
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  49. # [01:01] <tw2113> nah, i'm too busy with client work :D
  50. # [01:02] <xonecas> thats always a good thing
  51. # [01:02] <xonecas> I'm trying to think of something fun to do
  52. # [01:02] <tw2113> something fun, would be a challenge so you can learn, and could potentially win
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  56. # [01:04] <ryanseddon> paul_irish: facebook misspelt modernizr :/ "Modernizer" that vowel was removed dammit
  57. # [01:05] <xonecas> tw2113: I know, but how can I make dynamic resizing chalenging?
  58. # [01:06] <tw2113> or unique
  59. # [01:07] <tw2113> facebook....them monopolistic beasttards
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  73. # [01:31] <ryanseddon> http://www.ubuntu.com/tour/
  74. # [01:33] <kart00n> Pfft none of the apps work
  75. # [01:34] <kart00n> Does Ubuntu desktop really look like that now?
  76. # [01:35] <kart00n> Wow the e-mail app is quite functional actually. Someone put a ton of time in this, heh
  77. # [01:36] <tw2113> couldn't tell ya, i use fedora
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  82. # [01:44] <kart00n> I used to like ubuntu but if they try and dumb down the interface that much I'd never use it again
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  102. # [02:17] <paul_irish> xonecas: derby link
  103. # [02:17] <paul_irish> ?
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  107. # [02:20] <paul_irish> html5 boilerplate is happy to provide the baseline for the web development training site that just got .6M in funding :p
  108. # [02:20] <paul_irish> http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/17/web-design-community-treehouse-raises-600k-from-reid-hoffman-kevin-rose-and-others/
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  130. # [02:53] <niftylettuce_> \o
  131. # [02:54] <niftylettuce_> soon h5bp will be happy to provide baseline for 3 projects that will get much more than .6M
  132. # [02:54] <niftylettuce_> awww.yeahhhh();
  133. # [02:54] <niftylettuce_> and those projects will give back to h5bp ofc
  134. # [02:55] <xonecas> :b
  135. # [02:55] <niftylettuce_> xonecas: was just gonna ping you, I have the server config for node mostly done
  136. # [02:56] <xonecas> paul_irish: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/demos/devderby
  137. # [02:56] * nuba moved from ubuntu to xubuntu + xmonad: fresh updated packages, none of the bloat, and the old laptop is still fast..
  138. # [02:56] <xonecas> niftylettuce_: sweet, it can replace mine
  139. # [02:56] <ryanseddon> treehouse should donate to the h5bp beer fund
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  142. # [02:58] <niftylettuce_> xonecas: dude this boilerplate is so slick, I even stack on top of it a complete auth system using mongodb/mongoose and the concept of *nix user/group permissions per schema \o/
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  144. # [02:58] <xonecas> kart00n: archlinux + awesomeWM + urxvt = coder heaven
  145. # [02:58] <niftylettuce_> mongoose-auth is egh
  146. # [02:58] <niftylettuce_> plug and play where needed, all that step stuff is overload
  147. # [02:59] <xonecas> cool, is it committed?
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  149. # [03:00] <niftylettuce_> xonecas: not yet I have to port it over from a client project and then update that bin build script
  150. # [03:00] <niftylettuce_> hopefully tonight, im camping out at a coffee shop to get it done
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  153. # [03:01] <niftylettuce_> ill tweet you once its up
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  156. # [03:04] <xonecas> alright, i'll look at it then
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  158. # [03:06] <paul_irish> guide on Audio API just published http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/webaudio/intro/
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  161. # [03:09] <xonecas> paul_irish: awesome article, makes me wanna add sound to something lol
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  314. # [07:36] <franksalim> hello
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  316. # [07:39] <xonecas> hello
  317. # [07:39] <T-Co> paul_irish, Doesn't seem to work with Chromium in 11.10 :/
  318. # [07:41] <paul_irish> what is 11.10 T-Co??
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  321. # [07:41] <xonecas> realy old?
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  325. # [07:44] <paul_irish> doesnt even sound like a chrome/ium version
  326. # [07:45] <T-Co> paul_irish, Ubuntu
  327. # [07:45] <T-Co> Yeah sorry :) 14. something. Chromium nightly
  328. # [07:46] <paul_irish> "nightly" you say
  329. # [07:46] <paul_irish> how sure are you of that.
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  331. # [07:47] <T-Co> Chromium 14.0.835.202 (Developer Build 103287 Linux) Ubuntu 11.10
  332. # [07:47] <paul_irish> old
  333. # [07:48] <paul_irish> thats stable release
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  335. # [07:48] <T-Co> Oh yeah. I forgot that I re-installed some time ago and don't have the nighlty repo in sources.list anymore. My bad :D
  336. # [07:48] <paul_irish> might only be 15 on linux
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  339. # [07:49] <T-Co> Should the Audio API still work, or do I need newer?
  340. # [07:49] <xonecas> paul_irish: 16.0.904.0 dev
  341. # [07:49] <xonecas> (on arch reposa at least)
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  344. # [07:54] <paul_irish> http://www.iloop.com.br/
  345. # [07:55] <paul_irish> could someone open a bogus ticket on https://github.com/paulirish/css3please/issues plz ?
  346. # [07:56] <xonecas> ok
  347. # [07:58] <xonecas> https://github.com/paulirish/css3please/issues/72
  348. # [07:58] <socialhapy> ★ Issue #72 on css3please, reported by xonecas (17.295s ago): Smelly feet
  349. # [07:58] <paul_irish> thx
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  351. # [07:59] <paul_irish> xonecas: cool. just making sure i can change the whole ticket
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  353. # [07:59] <paul_irish> which i can.
  354. # [08:00] <xonecas> great :-)
  355. # [08:00] <xonecas> is the source for socialhapy available? (i've been working on my own bot too)
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  359. # [08:02] <T-Co> paul_irish, Updated to 15.0.871.0 (Developer Build 99583 Linux) Ubuntu 11.10 (crhomium-daily PPA). Still doesn't play sound :/
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  361. # [08:03] <paul_irish> T-Co: http://chromium.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/samples/audio/index.html
  362. # [08:03] <paul_irish> try those
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  364. # [08:04] <T-Co> paul_irish, Those do work. Druma Machine. Awesome!
  365. # [08:04] <xonecas> T-Co: you need 16
  366. # [08:04] <paul_irish> huh
  367. # [08:06] <T-Co> xonecas, Seems that I don't...
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  374. # [08:13] <xonecas> T-Co: great! :-)
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  377. # [08:15] <T-Co> paul_irish, For some reason the box animation hover doesn't go to 100% opacity until I move mouse out from the box...
  378. # [08:15] <paul_irish> aw thx for looking at it
  379. # [08:15] <paul_irish> <3
  380. # [08:15] <paul_irish> T-Co: what browser
  381. # [08:15] <T-Co> paul_irish, Sorry. I was too anxious :D
  382. # [08:15] <paul_irish> oh right. chromium 15
  383. # [08:16] <T-Co> So it goes first to 50% and then after a second or to from 50->100
  384. # [08:17] <T-Co> I don't know if it should be fluent transition or not :D
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  387. # [08:21] <mokush> any thoughts on pokki.com?
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  389. # [08:23] <paul_irish> T-Co: it does because the default timing function is `ease`
  390. # [08:23] <paul_irish> and it'll ease between all the keyframes
  391. # [08:23] <paul_irish> probably confusing
  392. # [08:24] <T-Co> paul_irish, Gotcha
  393. # [08:24] <paul_irish> mokush: pokki seemed cool to me
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  395. # [08:24] <T-Co> mokush, Useless... Only win and soon to be mac
  396. # [08:24] <mokush> paul_irish: seems cool to me too, but dislike the windows-only problem.
  397. # [08:25] <mokush> well it's basicly webkit in a frame, so apps should be possible to run in the browser
  398. # [08:26] <mokush> but the platform itself isn't foss, is it?
  399. # [08:27] <T-Co> Seems not to be... Shame
  400. # [08:27] <T-Co> I was already thinking about a port :D
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  404. # [08:29] <mokush> I guess titanium is still better
  405. # [08:29] <paul_irish> i would be happy with one of those
  406. # [08:30] <paul_irish> if it just used chrome or safari
  407. # [08:30] <paul_irish> embedded
  408. # [08:30] <paul_irish> and updated that just as frequently
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  410. # [08:32] <mokush> paul_irish: well don't they? at least pokki says it uses the chromium fw
  411. # [08:35] <paul_irish> ORLY
  412. # [08:35] <paul_irish> neet
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  448. # [09:45] <Neiluj> yeah AMD FTW
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  589. # [14:35] <bumba82> Hi guys, I have a question about html5 appcache
  590. # [14:36] <bumba82> I read that is limited to 5 MB
  591. # [14:36] <bumba82> Here is my question
  592. # [14:36] <bumba82> Is it a good idea to cache google maps ?
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  594. # [14:36] <moo-_-> google does it for you
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  605. # [14:48] <jetienne> http://dev.w3.org/html5/2dcontext/ if im reading this right, ctx.drawImage(aImage, 10,20) isnt in the spec, am i correct ?
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  608. # [14:50] <bumba82> moo, then it is not necessary to add entries to the manifest file, right?
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  612. # [14:58] <manuchill> jetienne, here http://dev.w3.org/html5/2dcontext/#dom-context-2d-drawimage it says it can be in 3 sets of arguments so yours should work
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  614. # [14:58] <jetienne> answering myself: no drawImage(img, 0,0) is valid. just not in the "conformance requirement" but later in the doc
  615. # [14:58] <jetienne> manuchill: thanks, just found it too. i was wondering how come it actually worked :)
  616. # [14:59] <manuchill> jetienne, nice :)
  617. # [15:02] <moo-_-> bumba82: gmaps set HTTP cache headers for tiles
  618. # [15:02] <moo-_-> bumba82: you don't gain anything caching them by yourself
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  631. # [15:21] <bumba82> I have a script on the server providing images and I want those images to be cached on the mobile phone
  632. # [15:22] <bumba82> url: http://xyz.com/images.php?toke=thetoken
  633. # [15:22] <bumba82> I'd like to cache images accessed through http://xyz.com/images.php
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  635. # [15:23] <bumba82> For this purpose I hadded in the app.appchache file, under the CACHE section
  636. # [15:23] <bumba82> http://xyz.com/images.php
  637. # [15:24] <bumba82> For the tests I use Chrome and the problem is that as soon as I access the application the browser try to cache the url and I get a 404 error
  638. # [15:24] <bumba82> any ideas? Is it possible to use wildcards?
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  640. # [15:26] <bumba82> Many thanks in advance
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  654. # [15:41] <djszapi> Hi! Is there a cool touch friendly html5 game I could play on my tablet (ExoPC) ?
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  657. # [15:42] <djszapi> http://www.casualgirlgamer.com/articles/entry/28/The-Best-30-HTML-5-games/ -> They are more or less keyboard driven games, and not really capable for tablet devices.
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  711. # [17:02] <chovy> bumba82: do you have any 404's in your manifest file?
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  713. # [17:02] <chovy> also, add NETWORK: *
  714. # [17:03] <bumba82> hi chovy ...
  715. # [17:03] <chovy> hey
  716. # [17:03] <bumba82> The problem is that as soon as I access the website
  717. # [17:03] <bumba82> the browser try to chache the address
  718. # [17:04] <chovy> ok
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  728. # [17:04] <bumba82> I don't know how to solve this issue
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  730. # [17:04] <chovy> i'm not getting the problem.
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  732. # [17:05] <bumba82> CACHE MANIFEST
  733. # [17:05] <bumba82> # 2011-10-19
  734. # [17:05] <bumba82> CACHE:
  735. # [17:05] <bumba82> http://xyz.com/images.php
  736. # [17:05] <bumba82> NETWORK:
  737. # [17:05] <bumba82> *
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  739. # [17:05] <bumba82> This is my cache manifest ok?
  740. # [17:05] <chovy> does images.php return an image?
  741. # [17:06] <chovy> in other words, how are you calling images.php to load images?
  742. # [17:06] <chovy> manifest should only be used to cache static files.
  743. # [17:06] <bumba82> http://xyz.com/images.php?token=sdaksjhvgfv
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  745. # [17:06] <chovy> i don't think that will work.
  746. # [17:06] <bumba82> where the token value changes
  747. # [17:06] <chovy> yeah
  748. # [17:06] <bumba82> ok ...
  749. # [17:06] <bumba82> well ... how can I cache images ?
  750. # [17:06] <chovy> unless you list all your tokens in the manifest file.
  751. # [17:07] <bumba82> :S
  752. # [17:07] <chovy> how many images do you have?
  753. # [17:07] <bumba82> The BIG problem is that I'm working on a phonegap app ...
  754. # [17:08] <bumba82> and I need to syncronyze the app on the phone to the one on the server ... for text it is ok ... but ... how to cache images ?
  755. # [17:08] <chovy> i gather your images change for each user?
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  759. # [17:08] <chovy> ie: it's not a logo.png
  760. # [17:08] <chovy> like product images.
  761. # [17:08] <bumba82> it is not a logo
  762. # [17:08] <bumba82> yesss
  763. # [17:08] <bumba82> I have a 'events' table
  764. # [17:08] <bumba82> and
  765. # [17:08] <chovy> i cached my images in localStorage
  766. # [17:09] <chovy> you have to encode them to a base64 string, then store the string for offline retrieval.
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  768. # [17:09] <bumba82> :S
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  773. # [17:10] <chovy> i have an example on github
  774. # [17:10] <chovy> offline-app
  775. # [17:10] <bumba82> Yes I got what you say
  776. # [17:10] <bumba82> by the way
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  778. # [17:10] <bumba82> does manifest work on phonegaps apps?
  779. # [17:10] <chovy> it's more challenging if your images are on a different domain (ie: a cdn)
  780. # [17:11] <chovy> manifest should be supported by the mobile device, yes.
  781. # [17:11] <chovy> i don't know about phonegap, because those are for native apps.
  782. # [17:12] <bumba82> because on manifest you usually provide relative urls ... for resources of your app
  783. # [17:12] <bumba82> ...
  784. # [17:12] <bumba82> but your app is stored locally ...
  785. # [17:12] <bumba82> It is a little bit confusing ...
  786. # [17:13] <bumba82> Another thing ... is it possible to download data to the app folder?
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  788. # [17:14] <chovy> i'm only familar with mobile web.
  789. # [17:14] <chovy> try #phonegap
  790. # [17:14] <bumba82> oky
  791. # [17:14] <bumba82> thanks for your help
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  793. # [17:16] <Manaus> hello, I'm wondering if header around h2 isn't redundant...
  794. # [17:16] <chovy> feel free to look at my example.
  795. # [17:17] <chovy> Manaus: do you have a header -> h1 ?
  796. # [17:17] <Manaus> hmm no
  797. # [17:17] <chovy> i would use header as a div to wrap topnav, logo, etc.
  798. # [17:17] <chovy> which may also contain an h1
  799. # [17:18] <Manaus> I'm seeing examples of header wrapping each article title
  800. # [17:18] <chovy> but typically i would put h1 in section on the content area.
  801. # [17:19] <chovy> well, you can do that too, but if all you have is an H1 tag then it is redudnant in my opinion.
  802. # [17:20] <chovy> bumba82: https://github.com/chovy/offline-app
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  804. # [17:23] <Manaus> thanks chovy
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  809. # [17:27] <chovy> if i had an image and a heading, i would use <header>
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  811. # [17:28] <Manaus> I suspect it will take the place of div id="header" which I often use
  812. # [17:29] <chovy> yeah
  813. # [17:29] <chovy> or class=header
  814. # [17:30] <chovy> it's handy. you can define header in section, article, body, etc.
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  824. # [17:34] <Manaus> after all h in h2, h3 stands for header
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  831. # [17:35] <paul_irish> chovy: this looks rad
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  833. # [17:38] <chovy> paul_irish: ?
  834. # [17:38] <paul_irish> offline-app
  835. # [17:39] <chovy> oh :)
  836. # [17:39] <chovy> thanks
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  849. # [17:58] <chovy> seems to be my passion, developing prototypes.
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  857. # [18:08] <bumba82> thx
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  863. # [18:15] <chovy> i hate when i do svn revert when I really mean svn diff.
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  886. # [18:27] <seangirard> hope it's ok to ask an html5boilerplate question... does anyone know how to tell ant to concat js but not minify?
  887. # [18:27] <paul_irish> you'll have to edit the .xml
  888. # [18:28] <paul_irish> you might be able to remove a talk towards the top
  889. # [18:28] <paul_irish> otherwise just yank that minify part out
  890. # [18:28] <paul_irish> s/talk/task
  891. # [18:28] <T-Co> paul_irish, I thought I knew your name from somewhere, but couldn't point my finger on it. Now I realized. Modernizr! Nice work with that btw. It's going to land me a new job soon ;)
  892. # [18:29] <seangirard> thanks paul. i'll take a look there.
  893. # [18:29] <paul_irish> T-Co: awesome :)
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  896. # [18:30] <moo-_-> ugh
  897. # [18:30] <moo-_-> which windows media players support mpeg-4 natively?
  898. # [18:30] <moo-_-> I am not talking about browseres
  899. # [18:31] <moo-_-> but users downloading MP4 files
  900. # [18:31] <moo-_-> I assume Vista+
  901. # [18:31] <moo-_-> because IE9 does it
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  904. # [18:32] <T-Co> moo-_-, MP4 doesn't automatically mean MPEG-4 ;)
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  915. # [18:45] <moo-_-> what's the thing with html5 and namespaces?
  916. # [18:45] <moo-_-> e.g. facebook fb
  917. # [18:45] <moo-_-> how are they supported or can I stick in arbitary namespaces?
  918. # [18:45] <divya> facebook has changed
  919. # [18:45] <divya> its w/e
  920. # [18:45] <divya> so no need namespaces
  921. # [18:46] <moo-_-> divya: ok
  922. # [18:46] <moo-_-> I can change the example, but html5 and namespaces question remain :)
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  948. # [19:24] <moo-_-> http://mobilehtml5.org/
  949. # [19:24] <moo-_-> nice
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  998. # [20:01] <chovy> moo-_-: is that your site?
  999. # [20:01] <moo-_-> nope
  1000. # [20:01] <moo-_-> unfortunately I have no time to put together nice things like that :(
  1001. # [20:04] <chovy> lol
  1002. # [20:04] <chovy> that made my morning :)
  1003. # [20:07] <moo-_-> by the way I am coming to San Francisco 1-6.11.
  1004. # [20:07] <moo-_-> if anyone of you are around we could host #html5 meet up
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  1006. # [20:07] <xonecas> o/
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  1014. # [20:23] <ProLoser|Work> wow
  1015. # [20:23] <ProLoser|Work> this channel has more people than i expected
  1016. # [20:23] <ProLoser|Work> so was anyone here at the js pub night last night in sf?
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  1018. # [20:24] <chovy> unfortunately i live too far from SF.
  1019. # [20:25] <tantek> there was a js pub night last night in SF? where? was it posted on plancast.com or something?
  1020. # [20:25] <phrearch> hey
  1021. # [20:25] <phrearch> anyone mind testing this websocket cms thingy a bit?
  1022. # [20:26] <phrearch> http://hwios.org
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  1024. # [20:30] <xonecas> ok
  1025. # [20:31] <xonecas> ProLoser|Work: not last night but I usually go
  1026. # [20:31] <ProLoser|Work> meetup.com
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  1051. # [21:00] <paul_irish> from kangax: " Hey Paul, I made a short fitness survey for web devs. Would appreciate if you could pass it along! http://goo.gl/5zcG7 "
  1052. # [21:01] <paul_irish> ProLoser|Work: anton who organizes it met me here. xonecas and ryan olsen here are also local and go occasionally
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  1054. # [21:03] <xonecas> I never see anton here anymore
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  1061. # [21:12] <chovy> walking isn't in the list :(
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  1067. # [21:20] <danielfilho> which one is the best html presentation's template you guys like to use?
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  1069. # [21:20] <danielfilho> except the hakin's
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  1071. # [21:20] <danielfilho> *hakim
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  1116. # [22:39] <ProLoser|Work> i can't find the javascript club
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  1118. # [22:40] <ProLoser|Work> and why is it only canary works for turntable.fm
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  1132. # [23:01] <ProLoser|Work> http://turntable.fm/freenode
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  1138. # [23:04] <eighty4> Any accessibility experts in here that wouldn't mind a couple of questions? Isn't it better to use css images for things like a small phone before a phone number, a small letter before an email address and isn't it kind of horrible to leave out an alt for a content image (or is it ok to just present the photo in a <p> before the actually <img> tag?)?
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  1142. # [23:07] <philihp> eighty4, A: i would say it's better use CSS for things like that. small phone icons are really "style" things, the that don't actually contribute to the content/purpose of the page. they just make it prettier.
  1143. # [23:08] <eighty4> exactly
  1144. # [23:08] <philihp> in fact, there's a tangible benefit to using CSS. you can use a technique called CSS sprites < http://css-tricks.com/158-css-sprites/ >, which very slightly increases your page performance
  1145. # [23:08] <philihp> (of course, remember, "premature optimization is the root of all evil")
  1146. # [23:09] <eighty4> I'm browsing accessibility experts websites and I keep finding things I think is really bad. So was starting to wonder if it was me that was wrong or if they were really bad at doing what they teach
  1147. # [23:09] <philihp> at the end of the day though, whatever works works.
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  1149. # [23:09] <eighty4> yeah, I know what sprites are :)
  1150. # [23:09] <philihp> usually, people write stuff, and it works, and they move on, and they don't have the time/money/motivation to fix it
  1151. # [23:10] <philihp> regarding the alt tag... it's not horrible, but it means that blind people won't be able to know what your image is. i usually only bother with an alt tag for large images that are the subject of the page
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  1153. # [23:10] <eighty4> I also know the answer to my questions but was starting to wonder since every accessibility experts page I found was kind of horrible imo
  1154. # [23:11] <philihp> e.g. a graph in a paper, or a picture of my dog on a page about my dog
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  1157. # [23:12] <philihp> i think it's fine to put the <img> tag wherever you want, as long as it displays properly and makes sense.
  1158. # [23:12] <eighty4> and the "moving on/time/money/motivation thing I get. But if you're main work is accessibility you really should keep your personal site up to standards imo
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  1160. # [23:12] <b1lly> so i'm using the canvas element
  1161. # [23:12] <b1lly> and i basically stored the pattern someone drew in a multiple dimensional array
  1162. # [23:13] <b1lly> and i loop through the array to recreate what the person drew
  1163. # [23:13] <philihp> well think of it like this: if i say it's good to give to the needy, but i rarely do myself, does that mean you shouldn't give to the needy either?
  1164. # [23:13] <b1lly> however it does it instantly
  1165. # [23:13] <b1lly> and i have no way of delaying the iteration of the loop
  1166. # [23:13] <b1lly> is there a way in canvas to delay the execution of a stroke()
  1167. # [23:14] <eighty4> philihp: sure. That makes sense. But still…
  1168. # [23:14] <philihp> do you loop through the array on server-side, or in javascript?
  1169. # [23:14] <b1lly> javascript
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  1171. # [23:15] <b1lly> http://pastie.org/2726201
  1172. # [23:15] <eighty4> philihp: I find it harder to trust a person if they don't do what they teach themselves. If I know that the pilot that are about to teach me flying have crashed 100 times the last year I wouldn't have as much trust in him/her as I would if I know they've never crached
  1173. # [23:15] <b1lly> i put a comment where it needs to delay
  1174. # [23:15] <b1lly> or pause the execution
  1175. # [23:16] <philihp> eighty4, your concerns are valid.
  1176. # [23:16] <philihp> b1lly, http://api.jquery.com/delay/
  1177. # [23:17] <philihp> or rather
  1178. # [23:17] <philihp> b1lly, https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM/window.setTimeout
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  1181. # [23:18] <b1lly> philihp: set timeout doesn't stop the execution of the rest of the script
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  1183. # [23:18] <b1lly> which is what fials
  1184. # [23:18] <b1lly> neither does delay
  1185. # [23:19] <philihp> yes, you will have to tell setTimeout to keep calling a function
  1186. # [23:19] <philihp> and that function will step through your for loop and draw the next line
  1187. # [23:19] <philihp> every time it's called
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  1193. # [23:24] <eighty4> Oh well. I'll stop ranting I guess
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  1197. # [23:29] <b1lly> philihp: hm?
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  1200. # [23:31] <manuchill> b1lly, maybe this could help: http://www.sean.co.uk/a/webdesign/javascriptdelay.shtm, look at the pausecomp
  1201. # [23:32] <b1lly> manuchill: that will freeze my app but ill try
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  1203. # [23:32] <philihp> ah, yeah, you could initiate several timeouts
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  1205. # [23:34] <b1lly> hm?
  1206. # [23:35] <b1lly> your loosing me philip
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  1208. # [23:35] <manuchill> if you want delayed execution, else you have to create some sort of executionlist and use a fifo strategy combined with settimeout
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  1210. # [23:36] <b1lly> the problem is
  1211. # [23:36] <b1lly> i dont want the internal loop to be delayed and the outter one to continue
  1212. # [23:36] <b1lly> i went them to work hand in hand
  1213. # [23:37] <manuchill> basically what you need is a threaded model
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  1215. # [23:38] <manuchill> start a main thread for the outer loop and when you find subresults parse them with a separate (new) thread so the main keeps running
  1216. # [23:39] <philihp> http://pastie.org/2726320
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  1218. # [23:39] <philihp> what setTimeout does is say "after so many milliseconds, come back and run this"
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  1225. # [23:45] <b1lly> philip ya exactly so that works good thanks
  1226. # [23:45] <b1lly> BUT
  1227. # [23:45] <b1lly> the outter loop continues execution
  1228. # [23:45] <b1lly> and breaks it
  1229. # [23:48] <b1lly> the outter loop
  1230. # [23:48] <b1lly> since the inner loop set timeout doesnt pause the execution of the rest of the script
  1231. # [23:48] <b1lly> it continues on
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