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  19. # [00:30] <franksalim> so the Android 4.0 browser doesn't have WebSocket?
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  23. # [00:32] <franksalim> has anyone else tried WebSocket on Ice Cream Sandwich?
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  51. # [01:09] <xonecas> franksalim: if you use socket.io you'll be able to use flashsockets (flash needed)
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  55. # [01:10] <franksalim> xonecas: i'm talking about native support for the API and protocol in the browser
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  59. # [01:12] <xonecas> you'll have to refer to the spec then
  60. # [01:12] <xonecas> But I would think so
  61. # [01:12] <franksalim> xonecas: the spec for android?
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  63. # [01:12] <xonecas> yep github.com/android
  64. # [01:12] <xonecas> look through the source code fr the browser
  65. # [01:13] <franksalim> code isn't a spec
  66. # [01:13] <xonecas> it should have references to the socket api if its there
  67. # [01:13] <xonecas> I know, forgive me for my poor terminology
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  69. # [01:14] <franksalim> xonecas: also, the presence of WS code in WebKit doesn't mean that it is turned on in the shipping browser
  70. # [01:15] <xonecas> franksalim: I'm just trying to help you
  71. # [01:15] <xonecas> That's what I would do to find out
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  73. # [01:17] <franksalim> xonecas: I ran ICS in the emulator. window.WebSocket is not defined. Maybe someone here knows _why_ they are shipping another version of the android browser without WebSocket?
  74. # [01:17] <xonecas> franksalim: http://caniuse.com/#search=websockets answer is no
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  76. # [01:17] <xonecas> for reasoning you'll have top find a google employee
  77. # [01:17] <franksalim> xonecas: thanks. by the way, the caniuse chart doesn't even have android 4.0 on it
  78. # [01:18] <xonecas> it doesn't, but it will very soon
  79. # [01:18] <xonecas> once the ice cream devices become available
  80. # [01:19] <xonecas> franksalim: I would guess it's because of the recent changes in the spec
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  82. # [01:19] <xonecas> http://websocket.org/aboutwebsocket.html
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  84. # [01:20] <franksalim> I don't know what to say now
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  90. # [01:32] <xonecas> franksalim: use socket.io ?
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  101. # [01:57] <chovy> is there an IOS SImulator for Android to test web apps in?
  102. # [01:57] <danielfilho> you want an iOS simulator for Android?
  103. # [01:58] <danielfilho> you mean an Android simulator, right?
  104. # [01:58] <chovy> i want the equiv of IOS SImultaor
  105. # [01:58] <danielfilho> oh
  106. # [01:58] <danielfilho> you have to download the Android SDK
  107. # [01:58] <chovy> since i don't have a phone.
  108. # [01:58] <danielfilho> yeah
  109. # [01:58] <danielfilho> http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
  110. # [01:58] <danielfilho> you use os x, windows, linux or what?
  111. # [01:58] <chovy> i have to download the sdk just to get the simulator?
  112. # [01:59] <chovy> like install eclipse and crap?
  113. # [01:59] <danielfilho> hm, it's the most reliable way (as far as I know)
  114. # [01:59] <danielfilho> http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/emulator.html
  115. # [01:59] <chovy> I'm not building native apps?
  116. # [01:59] <danielfilho> to simulate iOS Safari you also have to download the SDK :(
  117. # [02:00] <franksalim> chovy: you do not need to install eclipse
  118. # [02:00] <chovy> yeah, but that's a .dmg file i download and install. easy. I don't need a full blown dev env.
  119. # [02:00] <danielfilho> oh no
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  121. # [02:00] <chovy> uh, that question above should have been a '.' not a '?'
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  123. # [02:00] <danielfilho> you don't have to set up all the environment i think
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  127. # [02:03] <chovy> i downloaded something for the mac, and ran ./tools/android
  128. # [02:03] <chovy> well see what this does.
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  132. # [02:07] <xonecas> chovy: that should be all you need, the android sdk that is
  133. # [02:07] <xonecas> eclipse is just a tool
  134. # [02:07] <chovy> i feel the same way about eclipse.
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  136. # [02:07] <chovy> such a tool.
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  140. # [02:12] <chovy> well, i tried running the command, but it says ~/.android/foo.ini is not able to open
  141. # [02:12] <chovy> ./emulator -avd foo
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  144. # [02:15] <bao_> hi
  145. # [02:16] <bao_> which site i can learn html
  146. # [02:17] <ProLoser|Work> lead, you in here?
  147. # [02:17] <ProLoser|Work> *elad
  148. # [02:18] <ProLoser|Work> http://turntable.fm/freenode
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  153. # [02:22] <ryanseddon> does anyone have access to a blackberry device running v6?
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  179. # [03:04] <sephr> why does the structured clone algorithm fail loudly now?
  180. # [03:04] <sephr> DATA_CLONE_ERR just makes it a pain in the ass for backwards compatibility with browsers that only support sending strings
  181. # [03:05] <sephr> I used to be able to do postMessage({..., toString:function(){return JSON.stringify(this)}})
  182. # [03:05] <sephr> and the toString would just be silently dropped in modern browsers
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  185. # [03:10] <Pomax> what's the actual error
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  187. # [03:10] <Pomax> (I assume you've looked at https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM/The_structured_clone_algorithm already)
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  190. # [03:13] <ryanseddon> sephr: you can check for structured clone support
  191. # [03:14] <ryanseddon> http://jsfiddle.net/ryanseddon/eBWsz/
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  199. # [03:17] <sephr> Pomax, ryanseddon: yeah, I can obviously work around it, it's just that I'm wondering why DATA_CLONE_ERR was a good idea
  200. # [03:18] <sephr> silently failing creates much less of a mess
  201. # [03:18] <sephr> dom nodes never could be sent, but simple objects could
  202. # [03:18] <sephr> so nobody's likely going to run into legacy problems with silently failing
  203. # [03:19] <ryanseddon> yeah I specifically did a dom node knowing that spec says it should throw string supporting browsers will just fail silently
  204. # [03:20] <sephr> also testing for support creates an extra message, which can be ignored but it's even more code
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  206. # [03:20] <ryanseddon> yes but I couldn't think of a better way to test for it
  207. # [03:22] <Pomax> I would imagine it's because people are going to try to serialise DOM elements, and that should fail, not silently fail - that said, I'm not sure
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  312. # [06:16] <Nate_> Hi
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  316. # [06:21] <Nate_> Anyone a css master?
  317. # [06:22] <ryanneufeld> Chris Coyier is
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  319. # [06:24] <tw2113> quoting for truth: [11:16pm] <ryanneufeld> Chris Coyier is
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  321. # [06:26] <Nate_> Really! And how would one talk to this Chris Coyier?
  322. # [06:26] <tw2113> we have to provide that much?
  323. # [06:26] <tw2113> you just asked for masters :P
  324. # [06:27] <tw2113> you could try contacting him at his site css-tricks.com
  325. # [06:28] <divya> wat do u want Nate_
  326. # [06:29] <divya> paste your code and we can try to debug
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  332. # [06:37] <ryanseddon> you could also try #css
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  335. # [06:40] <PatrickC> can I use html5/css3 to do a transparent video?
  336. # [06:40] <PatrickC> like the one on http://frbc.com
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  338. # [06:40] <ryanseddon> video { opacity: 0.5 }
  339. # [06:41] * tw2113 hides behind ryanseddon to avoid jacine aghh! girls
  340. # [06:42] <jacine> tw2113: What did I do now!?
  341. # [06:42] <PatrickC> ryanneufeld: ill take that as a yes?
  342. # [06:42] <PatrickC> right now we're using Flash
  343. # [06:42] <PatrickC> wanting to move to html5
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  345. # [06:43] <ryanneufeld> PatrickC: why are you asking me?
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  347. # [06:43] <ryanseddon> auto-complete fail
  348. # [06:43] <tw2113> nothing really...i'm surprised ryanseddon didn't turn me in
  349. # [06:43] <ryanneufeld> lol
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  351. # [06:44] <PatrickC> you said "<ryanseddon> video { opacity: 0.5 }"
  352. # [06:44] <PatrickC> was that not to me?
  353. # [06:44] <PatrickC> lol.. stupid auto-complete haha
  354. # [06:44] <PatrickC> your nicks are too close together :P
  355. # [06:45] <ryanseddon> yeah ryanneufeld theres only room for one ryan around these parts
  356. # [06:46] <PatrickC> lol
  357. # [06:46] <PatrickC> so.. is it possible? :P
  358. # [06:46] * ryanneufeld is now known as RYANNEUFELD
  359. # [06:46] <RYANNEUFELD> I'm bigger
  360. # [06:47] <RYANNEUFELD> <see my name is bigger
  361. # [06:47] <RYANNEUFELD> that means I win
  362. # [06:47] <RYANNEUFELD> lol
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  365. # [06:49] <niloy> wassup people
  366. # [06:49] <PatrickC> trying to do transparent video :)
  367. # [06:49] <ryanseddon> PatrickC: probably possible but not as easy as setting opacity
  368. # [06:49] <niloy> a video with opacity 0?
  369. # [06:50] <PatrickC> ryanseddon: would it end up like the video overlays on http://frbc.com ?
  370. # [06:50] <ryanseddon> oh actually opacity seems to work
  371. # [06:50] <ryanseddon> PatrickC: I don't see a video?
  372. # [06:51] <PatrickC> hmm.. there should be a flash popup
  373. # [06:51] <PatrickC> go to the "youth"section
  374. # [06:51] <PatrickC> I know there's one there. though there should be one on the main page...
  375. # [06:52] <ryanseddon> lol, that's an invasive video
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  377. # [06:52] <PatrickC> yeah..
  378. # [06:52] <PatrickC> that's what they want :)
  379. # [06:52] <PatrickC> any way to do that in HTML5?
  380. # [06:52] <ryanneufeld> That's also a flash unit
  381. # [06:52] <ryanneufeld> we've done something similar at work
  382. # [06:52] <ryanneufeld> it's a transparent flash
  383. # [06:53] <PatrickC> yes. I know that :)
  384. # [06:53] <ryanneufeld> also, it's friggen annoying as fuck
  385. # [06:53] <ryanneufeld> and you should talk them out of it
  386. # [06:53] <PatrickC> we currently use flash. we want to do html5
  387. # [06:53] <ryanseddon> You can do chroma key stuff by putting the video contents into a canvas element
  388. # [06:53] <ryanseddon> https://developer.mozilla.org/samples/video/chroma-key/index.xhtml
  389. # [06:53] <PatrickC> so html5 video inside of a canvas element? cool
  390. # [06:53] <PatrickC> ryanseddon: thanks. bookmarked. will show them next time I see them
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  394. # [06:57] <PatrickC> ryanseddon: thanks
  395. # [06:57] <PatrickC> g2g cya
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  403. # [07:03] <frank_salim> this is pretty cool: http://wire.2x.io/ WebGL particles + WebSockets
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  421. # [07:16] <YamahaAlex37> can i make something like dropbox using my own hosting or vps
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  424. # [07:19] <niftylettuce_> \o
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  426. # [07:20] <niftylettuce_> YamahaAlex37: sure, use cloud storage like Amazon or Rackspace to lower your costs, then use a cheap vps or something to connect the cloud file storage space with your server/app
  427. # [07:20] <niftylettuce_> YamahaAlex37: Linode is nice for VPS
  428. # [07:20] <niftylettuce_> YamahaAlex37: see channel's topic though...
  429. # [07:23] <YamahaAlex37> niftylettuce_, i can connect my amazon cloud to vps?
  430. # [07:23] <YamahaAlex37> is there any software already made just like dropbox that allows you to plug in your own storage location?
  431. # [07:23] <niftylettuce_> YamahaAlex37: this is off topic bro
  432. # [07:23] <niftylettuce_> YamahaAlex37: if you're coding in PHP go ask in #php, JavaScript go ask in #javascript
  433. # [07:24] <niftylettuce_> YamahaAlex37: yes, you can "connect" using Amazon's API
  434. # [07:25] <YamahaAlex37> k niftylettuce_ sry if its offtopic, ill switch channels as soon as i figure out the best way
  435. # [07:26] <frank_salim> YamahaAlex37: i would google for something like [dropbox opensource]
  436. # [07:26] <YamahaAlex37> im not sure if to use php, js, etc, because what i want is everyone to have a local folder
  437. # [07:26] <YamahaAlex37> that is connected to the VPS, shared hosting, or whatever
  438. # [07:26] <frank_salim> you will find a lot of projects and ideas
  439. # [07:26] <YamahaAlex37> that updates similar to SVN
  440. # [07:26] <niftylettuce_> YamahaAlex37: this is off topic bro, Google it
  441. # [07:27] <YamahaAlex37> im just not sure what to google...
  442. # [07:27] <frank_salim> YamahaAlex37: try my suggestion
  443. # [07:27] <niftylettuce_> YamahaAlex37: http://goo.gl/By4Th here ya go
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  535. # [09:59] <niftylettuce_> are there any other ways to use string names as variable names besides window[stringVar] and eval?
  536. # [10:00] <niftylettuce_> being an autobot and automating...
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  773. # [16:15] <erichynds> does anyone know if there's an effort to put tap pseudo classes into the css spec?
  774. # [16:15] <erichynds> or something similar
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  780. # [16:19] <erichynds> probably not a problem for css to solve, but it would be awesome to style elements based on tap and not :active, without toggling classes
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  784. # [16:23] <moo-_-> erichynds: mobile browsers use :hover for that
  785. # [16:23] <moo-_-> works for <a> at least
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  790. # [16:27] <erichynds> that doesn't spoof a true tap event though
  791. # [16:27] <erichynds> and doesn't work on android
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  796. # [16:44] <moo-_-> erichynds: it does, I blieve
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  799. # [16:45] <moo-_-> erichynds: but :tap would be nice
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  1043. # [22:10] <ProLoser|Work> http://turntable.fm/freenode
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  1047. # [22:12] <moo-_-> US only :(
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  1049. # [22:16] <ProLoser|Work> sorry :(
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  1053. # [22:26] <taylorRichie> Interesting… that's a neat concept...
  1054. # [22:26] <taylorRichie> GOod way to get exposed to new music.
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  1057. # [22:28] <ProLoser|Work> you should dj
  1058. # [22:29] <ProLoser|Work> we need more
  1059. # [22:31] <taylorRichie> Man… Not sure I could take the pressure… I listen to some weird stuff...
  1060. # [22:32] <ProLoser|Work> like you said, good for discovery :)
  1061. # [22:32] <ProLoser|Work> if we don't like it we can always lame it to skip to the next song
  1062. # [22:33] <taylorRichie> Ha true…
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  1110. # [23:56] <appel> there's people here
  1111. # [23:57] <franksalim> hi
  1112. # [23:57] <appel> hi :)
  1113. # [23:57] <appel> how you guys doing
  1114. # [23:58] <appel> I am going insane here.
  1115. # [23:58] <franksalim> really?
  1116. # [23:58] <appel> yes .)
  1117. # [23:58] <appel> I just got this iptv set-top-box at work, with opera 10.x
  1118. # [23:58] <appel> html5 and all
  1119. # [23:59] <appel> so, my job is to make a portal for it
  1120. # [23:59] <appel> hurray :)
  1121. # [23:59] <appel> so... my approach is a single-page app.
  1122. # Session Close: Fri Oct 21 00:00:00 2011

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