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# Session Start: Fri Oct 21 00:00:00 2011
# Session Ident: #html5
# [00:00] <appel> what are your thoughts? anyone with experience of making apps for devices such as tvs?
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# [00:01] <franksalim> appel: i've written code that also runs on tvs. a page is a page, for the most part. you know that you have a particular modern browser to work with, in this case
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# [00:02] <appel> i've written portals for iptv's before, actually that's my dayjob.
# [00:02] <franksalim> cool
# [00:02] <appel> but there's constant struggle within me how do actually do it properly
# [00:02] <appel> remote control events are handled by custom javascript method
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# [00:03] <appel> and the application is modified by javascript to show right stuff
# [00:03] <appel> not exactly a web page
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# [00:05] <appel> no takers for this discussion?
# [00:05] <appel> :)
# [00:06] <franksalim> appel: well, you have a lot more experience with tvs in particular, so i don't think i can be helpful there. there are a lot of folks building single page apps. it sounds like you want to build one page with js that isn't too different than what you might do on the web
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# [00:06] <appel> problem is all information is on standard single-web-page-apps
# [00:06] <appel> with mouse/keyboard inputs
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# [00:07] <appel> I have only remote control and the context must be managed by app
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# [00:07] <franksalim> out of curiosity, what kinds of events does the remote control generate?
# [00:08] <appel> exactly what you'd think
# [00:08] <appel> PROGRAM_UP, PROGRAM_DOWN, OK
# [00:08] <appel> UP/DOWN/LEFT/RIGHT
# [00:08] <appel> so, my browser gets those events
# [00:09] <appel> and it's my job to handle them correctly
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# [00:18] <appel> and that's why
# [00:18] <appel> i'm going insane
# [00:18] <appel> nobody to talk to about this :)
# [00:18] <appel> any good html5 forums on this?
# [00:18] <franksalim> appel: somebody else might chime in if you are patient
# [00:19] <franksalim> i don't see why handing remote control events would be different than handling keyboard events
# [00:19] <appel> I have to programme all the interaction with the page
# [00:20] <appel> so, if you're channel zapping, PROGRAM_UP and PROGRAM_DOWN zaps the channels
# [00:20] <appel> but if you're in Video-On-Demand, those inputs don't make sense
# [00:20] <appel> so, you use UP/DOWN/LEFT/RIGHT to select the poster of the movie you want to rent
# [00:20] <franksalim> so you want different event handlers based on the mode you are in?
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# [00:21] <appel> currently I receive those rc input events, and the VODController hanndles UP/DOWN/LEFT/RIGHT, updates the model, which consequently updates the view containing the poster view and the selected poster
# [00:21] <appel> it works
# [00:21] <appel> but a lot of work
# [00:22] <appel> which feels "wrong"
# [00:22] <appel> with mouse/keyboard you don't need to do such a thing
# [00:22] <appel> the user just presses the poster directly, doesn't navigate to it using some UP/DOWN/LEFT/RIGHT keys
# [00:22] <franksalim> wouldn't you need to do something like that if you wanted keyboard only input without the mouse?
# [00:23] <franksalim> where there isn't any kind of explicit pointer?
# [00:23] <appel> well, yes! there's a pointer
# [00:24] <appel> similar to lynx, if you've used it
# [00:24] <appel> you select anchors with up/down/left/right
# [00:24] <appel> or input fields and such
# [00:24] <appel> but it's not very good for the kind of interface you have in tv's
# [00:25] <appel> pointers wouldn't make sense in a channel zapping interface
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# [00:46] <drublic> hey guys
# [00:47] <drublic> any suggestions on what (semantically best) tag to use for a logo brand new page
# [00:48] <drublic> +on a
# [00:48] <drublic> instead of <div id="logo">
# [00:51] <bzpzlr> drublic: ...
# [00:51] <bzpzlr> what do you want/need from a logo brand?
# [00:52] <bzpzlr> i know plain HTML, but not sure about html5, yet.
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# [00:52] <drublic> bzpzlr: sorry, this was wrong: I meant a logo on a brand new page
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# [00:52] <bzpzlr> .jpg?
# [00:52] <drublic> I want to use something more semantic as a div
# [00:53] <bzpzlr> dynamic website such as wordpress?
# [00:53] <drublic> well it'll be text
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# [00:53] <drublic> yes… but I just mean the header logo of a page
# [00:54] <bzpzlr> div would be good. could put a .jpg and text.
# [00:54] <drublic> yes but a div has no semantics
# [00:54] <bzpzlr> use css.
# [00:54] <bzpzlr> i heard a rumor about html5 and css. that it doesn't need much of it.
# [00:55] <bzpzlr> but that's just a rumor.
# [00:55] <drublic> …
# [00:56] <bzpzlr> css 2.1 came out just a couple of years ago and most browsers haven't implemented it yet.
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# [00:56] <bzpzlr> so i'm betting html5 optimizes css.
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# [00:57] * bzpzlr thinks opposites
# [00:57] <drublic> well… html not so much to do with css. and css2.1 is kinda old. anyway, thanks for your help.
# [00:58] <bzpzlr> yeah, np.
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# [01:00] <Pomax> drublic: your content wrapped by <header>?
# [01:00] <drublic> yes
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# [01:01] <Pomax> that was my entire suggestion btw. Just use normal html for the content, and semantically tag it by wrapped it in <header> ... </header>
# [01:01] <Pomax> *wrapping
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# [01:01] <drublic> mh k.
# [01:02] <drublic> any suggestions on an aria-role?
# [01:03] <Pomax> a what?
# [01:03] <drublic> ?g aria-role
# [01:03] <bot-t> drublic, The Roles Model | Accessible Rich Internet Applications (WAI-ARIA ... - http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/roles
# [01:03] <drublic> i'll go with banner
# [01:04] <Pomax> I had no idea this existed.
# [01:05] <drublic> thx for your held Pomax
# [01:05] <drublic> :)
# [01:05] <drublic> *help
# [01:05] <ProLoser|Work> NEED MORE DJs: http://turntable.fm/freenode
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# [01:19] * paul_irish joined, the turntable room, that is..
# [01:21] <ryanseddon> I need my vpn service back everything is us only, lame
# [01:21] <franksalim> login with Facebook? (turntable)
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# [01:23] <paul_irish> yeahhhhhhhh
# [01:24] <paul_irish> it's stupid.
# [01:24] <paul_irish> both US-only and FB-only
# [01:24] <paul_irish> :'(
# [01:24] <paul_irish> http://listeningroom.net/ is cool tho. and uses all sorts of html5/css3 goodness
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# [01:33] <ProLoser|Work> interesting
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# [01:35] <ProLoser|Work> lol
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# [04:10] <axl500> I'm having trouble creating a barebones html5 document with a left-sidebar. Is there an easy way to do this?
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# [04:12] <axl500> Perhaps I should not be using an <aside> element?
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# [04:31] <xonecas> divya: o/
# [04:31] <divya> hi xonecas
# [04:32] <tw2113> divya: o/
# [04:32] <divya> hi tw2113
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# [04:34] <xonecas> how's everione today?
# [04:35] <tw2113> hung out with content strategy people for a couple hours
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# [04:41] <xonecas> Is that bad?
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# [04:42] <tw2113> nope
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# [05:42] <ExpFist> I.e. so slower devices can render it faster?
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# [07:06] <paul_irish_> frank_salim: RT brianarn: http://demo.kaazing.com/racer/ is one of the neatest websocket uses I've ever played with
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# [08:58] <paul_irish> anyone here have iOS 5 handy?
# [08:58] <paul_irish> i need helpz
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# [09:19] <bibo360> paul_irish: yep ?
# [09:19] <bibo360> want what ?
# [09:20] <bibo360> Oh, by the way, thanks a lot for all the work you do. I find this really useful as a web dev.
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# [09:29] <paul_irish> bibo360: yay :)
# [09:29] <paul_irish> np!
# [09:29] <paul_irish> okay im gonna make a test page for you
# [09:29] <paul_irish> and you're gonna test it in ios5 mobile safari with private browsing on
# [09:29] <bibo360> ok
# [09:30] <bibo360> but... how do i activate private browsing
# [09:30] <bibo360> ?
# [09:30] <paul_irish> dunno! look around
# [09:30] <bibo360> :)
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# [09:31] <bibo360> paul_irish: ok private mode enabled
# [09:32] <paul_irish> http://jsbin.com/iqunaq
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# [09:33] <paul_irish> you'll get two alerts
# [09:33] <paul_irish> i'm interested in what it says
# [09:33] <paul_irish> s/it/they
# [09:35] <thomasdavis> woo weekend
# [09:36] <paul_irish> hey give us people that are NOT in the future a chance to experience friday first. :p
# [09:36] <thomasdavis> lol what gmt is it where you live
# [09:36] <paul_irish> thomasdavis: read through the site tonight. really like your tutorial style.
# [09:36] <paul_irish> nah i'm pacific tz
# [09:36] <paul_irish> thomasdavis: its a great balance of prose and code.
# [09:37] <bibo360> paul_irish: alert 1 => getItem exists and doesnt throw
# [09:37] <thomasdavis> yeah i was getting pretty good feedback, never been great at articulating myself so came as a surprise
# [09:37] <bibo360> paul_irish: alert 2 => getItem called and doesnt throw
# [09:37] <paul_irish> whaaa
# [09:38] <paul_irish> okay bibo360 lemme try one more.. sec..
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# [09:40] <bibo360> paul_irish: BTW, what are you experimenting ?
# [09:40] <paul_irish> https://github.com/andris9/jStorage/pull/18/files
# [09:40] <socialhapy> ★ Pull request on jStorage by elsigh (2d, 7h ago): Add try/catch to deal with iOS5 in Private Browsing mode.
# [09:40] <paul_irish> that
# [09:40] <paul_irish> its for Modernizr
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# [09:40] <thomasdavis> paul_irish: working on something really cool as a piece of the puzzle for single page web applications
# [09:40] <thomasdavis> releasing hopefully in under a week
# [09:41] <thomasdavis> collaborative api spec building
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# [09:41] <paul_irish> bibo360: http://jsbin.com/iqunaq/2
# [09:41] <paul_irish> collab api spec buildinggggggg ?
# [09:41] <beevi7> paul_irish your presentation about html5, css3 and dom performance. i like the "3d flipping boxes" effect when switching to another slide. is it handcoded or did you use any presentation template for that?
# [09:41] <paul_irish> ?g hakim.se presentation OR slides
# [09:41] <bot-t> paul_irish, Hakim El Hattab - http://hakim.se/
# [09:42] <paul_irish> beevi7: its down like 2 screens worth.
# [09:42] <bibo360> paul_irish: omg exception !
# [09:42] <beevi7> slides
# [09:42] <paul_irish> that's so bizarre
# [09:43] <paul_irish> beevi7: click the hakim link. its on there.
# [09:43] <beevi7> yep, found it. thank you!
# [09:43] <paul_irish> bibo360: weird. so apparently you can get localstorage data.. but you can't set it.
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# [09:43] <bibo360> HuHu.... not really useful....
# [09:44] <paul_irish> but since you're in private there shouldnt be antyhing stored anyway
# [09:44] <paul_irish> so it'll all come back empty
# [09:44] <paul_irish> still i think both should throw.. /cc hober
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# [09:45] <paul_irish> bibo360: with http://jsbin.com/iqunaq/3 do you get the "i touched it" alert ?
# [09:45] <bibo360> paul_irish: removeItem works also
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# [09:46] <bibo360> i've just removed the setItem call. to see if further calls were working
# [09:46] <paul_irish> so peculiar.
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# [09:46] <bibo360> paul_irish: "i touched it" then "omg exception"
# [09:47] <paul_irish> k
# [09:47] <paul_irish> alright then, we have our detect.
# [09:50] <bibo360> paul_irish: Ha Ha, i've turned off private browsing mode, and now mobile safari is crashing at start...
# [09:50] <paul_irish> oh boy.
# [09:51] <paul_irish> ummmm :/ sorry!?
# [09:51] <paul_irish> wow
# [09:51] <bibo360> gonna switch the phone off/on
# [09:51] <paul_irish> yeahhhh
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# [09:53] <bibo360> paul_irish: ok. didn't have to turn the phone off. In fact, one has to CLOSE safari BEFORE turning off private browsing mode...
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# [09:54] <bibo360> paul_irish: in normal browsing mode, i get the "touch it", "set succeeds", "get succeeds", "cleared...."
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# [09:55] <bibo360> paul_irish: seems setItem is not allowed in private browsing mode.
# [09:56] <paul_irish> yeah
# [09:56] <bibo360> and this make sense...
# [09:56] <paul_irish> yah.
# [09:56] <paul_irish> https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/commit/a93625c21694fcda6fc1514a48f54232f703194a
# [09:56] <socialhapy> ★ Commit on Modernizr by paulirish (4m, 10s ago): updated iOS private notes for localStorage. also a stronger test.This was initiated due to a commit i saw from lindsey simon: https://github.com/andris9/jStorage/pull/18/files
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# [10:53] <moo-_-> do you know whether iOS5 supports clickless <audio> playback yet?
# [10:53] <moo-_-> or touchless
# [10:53] <moo-_-> what you can call it
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# [11:24] <estellevw> has anyone thought of editing the header of this chatroom since diveintohtml5.org is returning a 410?
# [11:25] <estellevw> don't know who has admin privileges to do it
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# [11:36] <eighty4> what happened to diveintohtml5?
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# [11:42] <divya> estellevw: we dont have ops in this channel
# [11:42] <divya> freenode people do
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# [11:44] <estellevw> eighty4: I think Mark Pilgrim retired or something. So, the book is on github and a few places are hosting it, like html5doctors
# [11:44] <estellevw> but the url above is 410'ing
# [11:44] <estellevw> thanks divya
# [11:44] <eighty4> divya: I asked #freenode to do it
# [11:44] <estellevw> thanks eighty4
# [11:44] <divya> ^
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# [12:19] <intellilogic> How can I submit data- attributes form the HTML through a form w/o JS? IE: <form data-aj='{"Foo":"Bar","Example":"Sample"}'> ?
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# [12:20] <Dorward> intellilogic: You can't.
# [12:20] <Dorward> intellilogic: If you want hard coded data in a form, use hidden inputs.
# [12:21] <Dorward> intellilogic: If you want to store arbitary data on an element just for reading with JS (or you own, custom, site specific external application), use data-.
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# [12:42] <estellevw> intellilogic: you can use the dataset API which is js, and you can even use data- in attribute selectors, but data- has no impact natively on form submission without use of the js api
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# [13:25] <divya> mike5w3c: yt?
# [13:26] <mike5w3c> yup
# [13:26] <mike5w3c> divya!
# [13:26] <mike5w3c> hey
# [13:26] <divya> hi mike5w3c!!
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# [13:26] <mike5w3c> I been cloistered for the last 4 weeks
# [13:27] <divya> oh!
# [13:27] <divya> i know anne was in town
# [13:27] <mike5w3c> busy writing crap PHP code
# [13:27] <mike5w3c> yeah
# [13:27] <divya> yikes
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# [13:27] <divya> sorry about that :/
# [13:27] <mike5w3c> almost done with it now
# [13:27] <divya> hurray
# [13:27] <divya> is it something for TPAC?
# [13:27] <mike5w3c> then I will hand it off like a hot potato to some sucker to maintain
# [13:27] <divya> i feel so terrible missing it :/
# [13:27] <divya> hahahahahahah
# [13:27] <mike5w3c> http://w3c-test.org/framework/
# [13:28] <divya> woahhhhh
# [13:28] <mike5w3c> I made a bunch of "enhancements" to Peter Linss's test-framework code
# [13:28] <divya> naiceee
# [13:28] <mike5w3c> he's probably going to have a heart attack when he seems my code
# [13:28] <divya> hhahahahahah
# [13:28] <divya> he is sick already >_>
# [13:29] <divya> mike5w3c: i was wondering if http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=5933&to=5934 could possibly link to the section where said change might be found
# [13:29] <divya> i am going mad trying to track it down and loading the single-page spec crashes my browser :P
# [13:29] <mike5w3c> divya: prolly could
# [13:30] <mike5w3c> you need to ping Mr. Anne about that
# [13:30] <divya> uh oh
# [13:30] <mike5w3c> but I can tell you he is pretty busy right now into a code project
# [13:30] <divya> :/
# [13:30] <mike5w3c> for the last couple days
# [13:30] <divya> oops
# [13:30] <mike5w3c> he got sick of spec writing
# [13:30] <divya> hahahahhaa i can understand :/
# [13:30] <mike5w3c> he was working on the Fullscreen spec til it made his head spin
# [13:31] <divya> o dear
# [13:32] <divya> okay i gotta remember to ping him then. thnx mike5w3c
# [13:32] <divya> will u be there at the w3conf in seattle too?
# [13:32] <mike5w3c> I would like to go to the conference
# [13:32] <mike5w3c> but I don't like to be away so long
# [13:32] <mike5w3c> I will land in SFO on the 27th
# [13:33] <divya> :(((
# [13:33] <mike5w3c> I don't like much being away over multiple weekends
# [13:33] <divya> i am in india
# [13:33] <divya> ah
# [13:33] <mike5w3c> oh
# [13:33] <mike5w3c> where in India?
# [13:33] <divya> chennai!
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# [13:34] <divya> not particularly excited to get back to the cold in two weeks
# [13:34] <mike5w3c> yeah, I bet
# [13:34] <mike5w3c> so me, I usually can only meet my daughter on the weekend, so when I am away over weekends it makes me not so happy
# [13:34] <divya> yeah :((
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# [13:37] <mike5w3c> I wish you were coming to TPAC
# [13:37] <jeroenverfallie> Would anyone know a good way to read the color of every single pixel of an image into an array?
# [13:37] <divya> mike5w3c: i knowww
# [13:37] <divya> me too now
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# [13:42] <jeroenverfallie> the problem I face currently is the fact I have to load the image before I can do anything else. Which makes it a bit hard to change the image at a certain point in the code
# [13:42] <jeroenverfallie> http://jsbin.com/uginoc/edit#javascript
# [13:43] <jeroenverfallie> (yes, I'm aware of the fact I flipped y and x)
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# [14:36] <intellilogic> does anyone see anything wrong with this line? It was just working, so I think I must have typo'd something and I can't seem to spot it: var AJ_Data = $.param(RowData) +"&"+ "FormSet=" + FormName +"&"+ $.param(FromData) +"&"+ $.param(HiddenFields) +"&"+ $.param(RowFields);
# [14:36] <intellilogic> Wrong channel :(
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# [14:58] <manuchill> divya, do you, by any chance, know why I can't add a custom method to the NodeList prototype in Opera?
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# [15:00] <divya> manuchill: no i do not. do you have code to reproduce?
# [15:01] <manuchill> divya, give me a sec
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# [15:01] <hasather> divya: now I am \o/
# [15:01] <divya> yay
# [15:02] <divya> manuchill asked "do you, by any chance, know why I can't add a custom method to the NodeList prototype in Opera?" hasather
# [15:02] <hasather> divya: no idea
# [15:03] <divya> haha okay :)
# [15:03] <divya> i guess we need a testcase manuchill :P
# [15:04] <hasather> divya: CORE-26489 I think
# [15:04] <manuchill> divya, haha, working on it
# [15:04] <divya> oops manuchill halt
# [15:04] <divya> we have it
# [15:04] <divya> thnx to hasather
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# [15:33] <Xixxx> Hi, does any of you know something about kaazing websocket gateway?
# [15:34] <Xixxx> Im trying to start the websocket server but the server says that i need to have java installed and i know that i have it.
# [15:35] <Xixxx> And ive set the enviroment variable correct too
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# [15:35] <Xixxx> Hi sergacity, Are you familiar with Websockets?
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# [15:53] <manuchill> divya, http://jsfiddle.net/mstalfoort/2Vd3d/ /cc hasather
# [15:53] <divya> thank you manuchill!
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# [16:13] <divya> manuchill: your work can be easier with http://jsfiddle.net/2Vd3d/1/ ?
# [16:14] <divya> you should ideally not be augmenting prototype
# [16:14] <manuchill> you're default'ing to de Array version now
# [16:15] <divya> well u are simply calling the array forEach
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# [16:15] <divya> but dealing with same node object?
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# [16:18] <manuchill> it would be nice to have the forEach also in the NodeList object since the querySelectorAll returns a nodelist
# [16:19] <daleharvey> paul_irish: nice post, I missed the first poll, replied on hn
# [16:19] <divya> manuchill: but its not part of spec :/
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# [16:20] <manuchill> divya, btw I don't take credit for this functionality, if i'm not mistaking paul rouget came up with this and i'm helping him out on some issues
# [16:21] <manuchill> divya, yet firefox && chrome don't complain about it ;)
# [16:22] <divya> o kay manuchill sure. its a bug we got
# [16:22] <divya> hopefully will fix soon!
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# [16:22] <manuchill> divya, i'm not saying it's a bug... i'm just trying to understand
# [16:22] <divya> o no no it is actually :)
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# [16:46] <Michael> paul_irish: yo.
# [16:47] <Ms2ger> manuchill, did you read the QSA thread on public-webapps?
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# [16:53] <mokush> does anybody have any experience with serving demos from github repo, trough jsfiddle?
# [16:54] <divya> mokush: thro gist ya
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# [16:55] <mokush> divya: did you need to actualy name all your files fiddle.* ?
# [16:56] <divya> apparently so
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# [16:58] <mokush> I can't get any of my demos to show up. but they're from a repo not from gist. renamed everything to demo.*, still no dice
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# [17:03] <divya> did u follow this mokush http://doc.jsfiddle.net/use/github_read.html
# [17:03] <divya> there is a demo.details file too
# [17:03] <mokush> yeah, followed it word for word divya, got the demo.details file in there also. got the url exactly as said, still no dice
# [17:04] <divya> are you using mootools?
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# [17:05] <manuchill> Ms2ger, what exactly are you referring to? is it a maillist?
# [17:05] <mokush> divya: nope, no framework.
# [17:05] <Ms2ger> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2011OctDec/thread.html#msg277
# [17:06] <Ms2ger> There are various reasons listed why in general NodeLists can't be full-blown arrays
# [17:06] <Ms2ger> But qSA could be
# [17:06] <manuchill> this is quite a thread
# [17:07] <Ms2ger> Yeah :(
# [17:07] <divya> then u need to use /library/pure/
# [17:07] <divya> instead of /mootools/1.2/ mokush
# [17:11] <manuchill> Ms2ger, thx for the link... some nice reading material for this weekend ;)
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# [17:12] <Ms2ger> And extraordinary insights in how specs are written ;)
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# [17:31] <franksalim> Ms2ger: are the reasons why NodeLists can't be Arrays discussed in that megathread?
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# [17:32] <Ms2ger> Yeah
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# [17:34] <manuchill> lets see if i can follow divya 's advise "♥ specs" (as presented at fronteers11)
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# [17:34] <cb3> Hi, all, I've been working on a video and canvas issue, where I'm getting a browser security error on getImageData() when the video is launched to our development server, but not when it's on a staging/development server. Is that something that this room could help me troubleshoot?
# [17:35] <moo-_-> cb3: learn about tainted canvas
# [17:35] <cb3> moo-_-: thanks, I'll look it up,
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# [17:36] <moo-_-> cb3: I would give you a link but I can't get page open on MDN
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# [17:40] <cb3> moo-_-: Well, I had http://html5doctor.com/video-canvas-magic/ in my history, which discusses that, but, unless I missing something HUGE, I'm not doing anything "cross-origin". It actually works without any issues on a sub-domain staging server!
# [17:42] <moo-_-> cb3: I don't see any other reasons why you could get security error which is related to the servers
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# [17:46] <cb3> moo-_-: o.k. That's what I was afraid of. Thanks for your help!
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# [17:50] <cb3> moo-_-: is there a way to check the origin of the canvas data? Is that an attribute that the browser keeps track of?
# [17:50] <moo-_-> cb3: not sure
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# [17:51] <moo-_-> cb3: but you can run browser security disabled for testing: http://opensourcehacker.com/2010/11/29/disabling-cross-domain-security-check-for-ajax-development-in-google-chrome/
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# [19:12] <mokush> in case your still here on a friday evening, gimme some feedback on: http://ghinda.net/css-toggle-switches/
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# [19:22] <estellevw> mokush: really thorough and excellent
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# [19:23] <mokush> estellevw: thanks!
# [19:24] <paul_irish> mokush: hot hot
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# [19:25] <mokush> paul_irish: oh man, I means a lot comming from you
# [19:25] <estellevw> mokush: what, it doesn't mean a lot coming from me ;)
# [19:27] <mokush> estellevw: ofcourse it does! but paul_irish gets all the girls, so, you know
# [19:27] <paul_irish> :p
# [19:28] <Pomax> ooh, that is quite pretty
# [19:28] <mokush> Pomax: the switches? or paul_irish?
# [19:29] <Pomax> I have yet to meet paul for teh realz, so right now I'm talking about the switches
# [19:29] <Pomax> but I might retroactively change that at some point in the future.
# [19:30] <franksalim> heyo
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# [19:55] <ProLoser|Work> i just had an awesome idea
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# [19:57] <monteslu> androiod 4.0 : Why U no like WebGL?
# [19:57] <monteslu> at least according to caniuse.com
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# [20:09] <monteslu> No Web Audio either
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# [20:14] <Bluemer> Anyone have any idea on how to add a playlist to the native browser video player?
# [20:15] <Bluemer> I imagine it would be with javascript somehow..
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# [21:53] <marienz> I'm assuming you still want http://diveintohtml5.org removed from the /topic here, as it's still down?
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# [21:57] <paul_irish> marienz: yeah.. well.. s/.org/.info
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# [21:58] <marienz> glad I checked :)
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# [21:59] <paul_irish> thxthx
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# [22:20] <Pomax> time for something really silly. http://pomax.nihongoresources.com/pages/templating
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# [22:26] <cb3> Pomax: That is especially silly for SEO. But, would be cool for an app behind an authentication layer.
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# [22:26] <Pomax> oh hell yeah, it completely voids SEO
# [22:27] <Pomax> though it can make css classes a little easier by letting define "class classes"
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# [22:27] <Pomax> *letting you
# [22:28] <Ms2ger> It's also ridiculous
# [22:29] <Pomax> most certainly
# [22:29] <Pomax> but the chuckle illicitation is worth it.
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# [22:39] <jeffszusz> hello
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# [22:46] <jiffe98> I'm trying to troubleshoot a websocket issue, I just updated my server-side code to conform to hybi-10, client-side onconnect fires, I see the server sending an announcement after sending the upgrade response, but the onmessage event on the client never fires, no errors in the console
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# [22:47] <franksalim> jiffe98: do you have wireshark?
# [22:47] <|3b|> tried the autobahn test suite against your server?
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# [23:04] <paul_irish> jiffe98: you should update to 13. in case those changes affect you http://updates.html5rocks.com/2011/10/WebSockets-updated-to-latest-version-in-Chrome-Canary
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# [23:05] * |3b| supposes i should make sure mine still works with that at some point, if someone is shipping it now
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# [23:05] <|3b|> or at least 'nightly'ing it
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# [23:15] <franksalim> |3b|: yeah, chrome is 'nightlying' it. fortunately, it's just one header different than the previous protocol
# [23:15] <franksalim> two, if you count the version number rev
# [23:15] <|3b|> yeah, added support for it a while ago, just not actually very well tested :)
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