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  8. # [00:05] <bencc> is there webcam support in ie10?
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  10. # [00:05] <bencc> will it be possible to stream audio/video p2p or to the server?
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  97. # [02:55] <paul_irish> http://roycewhelan.com/webgl/reflectionRefraction.htm <===
  98. # [02:57] <andrewjbaker> Can't get enough of that WebGL eye candy, huh?^^
  99. # [02:58] <OzDave_mbp> It's like going back ten years and dx 9 is on the horizon
  100. # [02:59] <OzDave_mbp> I think i saw a yeti
  101. # [02:59] <andrewjbaker> Anyone running Fx > 7? Mind giving this a bash for me? http://jsperf.com/duff-s-device
  102. # [03:00] * andrewjbaker has resorted to loop unrolling to squeeze mo' performance from Steppe.^^
  103. # [03:00] * OzDave_mbp loads it up
  104. # [03:01] <OzDave_mbp> quits shloppie flop and reloads it
  105. # [03:01] <OzDave_mbp> conventional loop 27,721
  106. # [03:01] <OzDave_mbp> duffman 41,400
  107. # [03:02] <OzDave_mbp> Testing in Firefox 7.0.1 on Mac OS X 10.6
  108. # [03:02] <tw2113> does it auot-report?
  109. # [03:02] <tw2113> or do i have to paste?
  110. # [03:02] <andrewjbaker> It auto-reports dude.
  111. # [03:02] <OzDave_mbp> oops
  112. # [03:02] <andrewjbaker> If you visit the page again, it should show stats.
  113. # [03:03] <tw2113> guess i won't need that screenshot then
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  115. # [03:03] <andrewjbaker> OzDave_mbp was just demonstrating the Aussie trait of thoroughness.^^
  116. # [03:03] <OzDave_mbp> too bloody right mate!
  117. # [03:03] <andrewjbaker> LOL.
  118. # [03:03] <OzDave_mbp> hehe
  119. # [03:03] <tw2113> bloody hell
  120. # [03:04] <andrewjbaker> Fx seems like it's a long way behind Chrome on looping. :-s
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  122. # [03:04] <OzDave_mbp> brute force coding - bang bang get it there damn you
  123. # [03:05] <andrewjbaker> Of course, I realise that this jsperf test I've written is quite contrived. :-p
  124. # [03:05] <tw2113> my red bars were a lot higher than the blue ones, most of the time
  125. # [03:05] <OzDave_mbp> They need to be on their own pages as well with no other content to get a better test as well I suspect ;)
  126. # [03:06] <paul_irish> interesting group and thread.. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/js-tools/uvTLkrQBSG8
  127. # [03:06] <OzDave_mbp> by virtue of displaying numbers or output during the test you are eating some of the powah
  128. # [03:06] <andrewjbaker> tw2113, excellent. Thx for checking it out mate.
  129. # [03:06] <tw2113> for instance, it was over twice as long as chrome 14.0.835
  130. # [03:06] <OzDave_mbp> Its like when you show fps, its eating the fps itself to display that
  131. # [03:06] <tw2113> same with 15
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  135. # [03:08] <andrewjbaker> It's a contrived test cos' it's very rare that all you'd be doing in the main body of a loop is incrementing a value (testVal).
  136. # [03:09] <andrewjbaker> But it does give me some hope that I can further improve landscape rendering in Steppe.
  137. # [03:10] <andrewjbaker> If only cheilmann were here... :-
  138. # [03:10] <andrewjbaker> p
  139. # [03:11] <andrewjbaker> paul_irish, still waiting on that game of yours... :-p
  140. # [03:12] * andrewjbaker taps foot.
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  143. # [03:22] <paul_irish> u want a game huh
  144. # [03:22] <OzDave_mbp> I just bought codify for the ipad2
  145. # [03:23] <OzDave_mbp> Its a lua environment, going to possibly tackle a childrens book authors job with it
  146. # [03:23] <OzDave_mbp> http://twolivesleft.com/Codify/
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  148. # [03:24] <andrewjbaker> paul_irish, I want a Paul Irish game.^^
  149. # [03:24] <OzDave_mbp> a cross between leprechaun lemmings game and paul bunyon bear hunting
  150. # [03:24] <OzDave_mbp> i have no idea today
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  153. # [03:27] <paul_irish> ?slap OzDave_mbp
  154. # [03:27] * bot-t slaps OzDave_mbp around a bit with a large trout
  155. # [03:27] <OzDave_mbp> sushi! thx
  156. # [03:27] <OzDave_mbp> nom
  157. # [03:27] <paul_irish> that would make for a better game
  158. # [03:27] <paul_irish> trout slapping
  159. # [03:28] <andrewjbaker> LOL.
  160. # [03:28] <OzDave_mbp> rainbow trout?
  161. # [03:28] <andrewjbaker> *sigh* This is going to lead to a Nyan Cat reference...
  162. # [03:29] <OzDave_mbp> no i did that one before with my desktop image
  163. # [03:29] <OzDave_mbp> http://i.imgur.com/PoqbH.jpg
  164. # [03:29] <tw2113> i was thinking http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/rainbowify/
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  166. # [03:30] <tw2113> takes lea and christian's css animated gradient stuff, and applies it to the WP admin bar
  167. # [03:30] <OzDave_mbp> wormpuss!
  168. # [03:30] <andrewjbaker> Ha, nice.
  169. # [03:31] <OzDave_mbp> I have some good ones the banks in australia
  170. # [03:32] <OzDave_mbp> westpac - wetpatch, commonwealth cum in mouth, national bank - irrational bank
  171. # [03:33] * andrewjbaker gags OzDave_mbp.
  172. # [03:33] <OzDave_mbp> yeah I think thats worthy
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  175. # [03:41] <andrewjbaker> OK... I'm here.
  176. # [03:41] <andrewjbaker> So here's the question...
  177. # [03:41] <andrewjbaker> Anyone working on HTML5 games?
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  179. # [03:42] <andrewjbaker> Besides OzDave_mbp.
  180. # [03:42] <OzDave_mbp> :)
  181. # [03:42] <andrewjbaker> And footyfish.
  182. # [03:42] <andrewjbaker> And jeffszusz.
  183. # [03:42] <andrewjbaker> And jetienne.
  184. # [03:42] <andrewjbaker> And monteslu.
  185. # [03:43] <andrewjbaker> OK, I'll stop now.^^
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  188. # [03:44] <andrewjbaker> Oh, let me not leave |3b| out.
  189. # [03:46] <andrewjbaker> And cylentwolf.
  190. # [03:46] <andrewjbaker> Sheesh.
  191. # [03:47] <andrewjbaker> Perhaps I should start asking the opposite question.
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  193. # [03:48] <cylentwolf> well tentatively working on it
  194. # [03:48] <cylentwolf> soon as this contract is over I am back to working on it :D
  195. # [03:48] <cylentwolf> how goes everyoe elses?
  196. # [03:49] <andrewjbaker> Steady progress mate, steady progress. The game list continues to grow. http://fleetingfantasy.com/game-list
  197. # [03:53] <cylentwolf> nice
  198. # [03:53] <cylentwolf> i look forward to getting my name on there :D
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  202. # [03:55] <andrewjbaker> cylentwolf, it's easy. All you have to do is start working on a browser-based game.^^
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  205. # [03:56] <cylentwolf> soon as this project is done, mate
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  222. # [04:42] <miketaylr> hey there tw2113
  223. # [04:47] <tw2113> sup miketaylr ?
  224. # [04:47] <miketaylr> not much
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  226. # [04:47] <tw2113> i took a minute of my time to explain the differences between trolling and ogre'ing
  227. # [04:47] <tw2113> over in #wordpress
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  229. # [04:51] <Pomax> was it a successful troll?
  230. # [04:52] <tw2113> well, not really
  231. # [04:52] <tw2113> "trolling is a vile and evil way that bored teenagers spend their time these days"
  232. # [04:52] <tw2113> "ogre'ing is a passtime of the gods of ancient days gone by and noblemen from the round table of King Arthur"
  233. # [04:52] <Pomax> ehh, that's a decent troll, but you could have done better
  234. # [04:53] <tw2113> i don't troll though, i ogre people :D
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  241. # [05:03] <OzDave_mbp> In norway there is a joke you play in the night clubs, you look for a small bump on the gilrs lower back, if she has one she is a troll in disguise.
  242. # [05:03] <OzDave_mbp> If you get banished to the mountain cottage from your family as well you are the troll
  243. # [05:03] <OzDave_mbp> such is life
  244. # [05:04] <OzDave_mbp> the cottage was nice and warm with a fire (jk) :P
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  269. # [06:10] <aaairc> how do i have an input text field with an initial value that will disappear when the field is clicked on?
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  278. # [06:26] <divya> aaairc: use placeholder attr
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  296. # [07:04] <tw2113> aaairc what divya said above
  297. # [07:04] <aaairc> thanks
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  309. # [07:18] <jidanren> hello
  310. # [07:19] <jidanren> im not sure if this is the best place to ask this, but i figured everyone here owns websites....
  311. # [07:19] <jidanren> i'm looking to start a small internet company, and i'm not sure who to go with for hosting
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  313. # [07:19] <jidanren> i use godaddy for my personal website, and as you can imagine, i have tons of problems :/
  314. # [07:20] <jidanren> i've read about hostgator a bit, and they seem to have good prices
  315. # [07:20] <jidanren> can anyone vouch for hostgator, or maybe something better?
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  317. # [07:23] <jidanren> specifically, im looking for a host with fast mysql and decent service while having thousands of simultaneous connections
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  417. # [10:35] <dangerousdave> Can anyone help me with my problems please? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7913185/layout-options-for-web-applications-on-mobile-devices
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  516. # [15:04] <phrearch> i have some html loaded over json, and a script with it thats being evalled
  517. # [15:04] <phrearch> dunno how to access the non-dommed html from the to-be-evalled js :/
  518. # [15:05] <phrearch> writing it to the dom first seems a bit slow to me
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  534. # [15:33] <phrearch> never mind. just used some global var :)
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  665. # [17:51] <shawn_dones> Has anyone had any issues with iOS5 safari not displaying mobile sites correctly?
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  680. # [18:02] <hober> shawn_dones: what sort of issues?
  681. # [18:03] <shawn_dones> hober: well it seems the background images and content stop at the height of the viewport
  682. # [18:03] <hober> shawn_dones: example url?
  683. # [18:03] <shawn_dones> hober: as if the height was set to the height of the viewport and then overflow set to hidden
  684. # [18:04] <shawn_dones> hober: http://m.jenkinsessex.com/
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  689. # [18:09] <hober> shawn_dones: have you tried putting height:100% on #container?
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  692. # [18:11] <shawn_dones> hober: no I havent tried much of anything yet. I just removed the overflow: hidden; from jqmobile.css but i have no way of testing it now. I have not updated my iPhone and the only people here at work that has an updated version are all gone to lunch, lol.
  693. # [18:11] <shawn_dones> hober: so i guess i just need to go to lunch and worry about it afterwards
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  697. # [18:12] <Pomax> why are all those script loads in the body instead of the head?
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  703. # [18:19] <hober> shawn_dones: well, I hope you file a bug at https://bugreport.apple.com/ if you can't get it to work
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  708. # [18:25] <Lebannen> shawn_dones: there's something odd about that code where the minimum height of the container element is being set to a pixel value in javascript in response to size changes, and that affects how far the background draws
  709. # [18:26] <Lebannen> shawn_dones: I'd wager the viewport detection code is doing something funky, but changing it to use just CSS instead of javascript is probably the right solution :)
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  720. # [18:42] <joelmo> am i allowed to have a img element inside a form element?
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  728. # [18:44] <Pomax> the form element is a bit of a curious beast. You can stick in as much as you like, except another form element.
  729. # [18:44] <Pomax> so if you want to wrap your entire page in a form, go for it.
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  731. # [18:46] <joelmo> ok so it wont send like the image in the img element if its inside the form?
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  733. # [18:48] <Pomax> no, only data for elements that have a name/value pair will be sent
  734. # [18:48] <joelmo> ok thanks Pomax :)
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  739. # [18:59] <jarek> Hi
  740. # [19:00] <jarek> there was a service which offered JSON-based datastore for HTML5 app developers
  741. # [19:01] <jarek> I have completely forgotten what was the name of it
  742. # [19:02] <jarek> it was featured on HN few months ago
  743. # [19:02] <jarek> does anybody remember how it was called?
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  745. # [19:02] <Pomax> any of json-p db (now abandoned), getcloudkit or openkeyval?
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  747. # [19:03] <jarek> hmm... it was none of them, this service had much better website
  748. # [19:05] <jarek> by using such datastore I can write an app that will be working 100% client-side, right?
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  750. # [19:06] <jarek> I would be just passing the data from datastore, no PHP/Ruby/Python backend required
  751. # [19:07] <jarek> (except for serving the main html file)
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  755. # [19:08] <jarek> http://storageroomapp.com/
  756. # [19:09] <jarek> it's marked for mobile apps, but should work for desktop as well
  757. # [19:10] <jarek> s/marked/marketed
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  760. # [19:12] <Pomax> their plans seem odd, but otherwise it looks like a nice service
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  763. # [19:12] <shawn_dones> hober: I removed overflow: hidden; from .ui-mobile-viewport works great now!
  764. # [19:13] <jarek> is there a service simillar to storageroomapp.com that would be supporting WebSockets?
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  767. # [19:17] <hober> shawn_dones: yay!
  768. # [19:17] <shawn_dones> hober: it may just be a band-aid
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  789. # [19:41] <JonathanNeal> hi
  790. # [19:41] <supsup> anyone use html5 boilerplate?
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  793. # [19:42] <supsup> curious why there is no-js class on the html tags for the html tags but not the doctype html tag?
  794. # [19:42] <paul_irish> <!doctype html class="no-js"> ?
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  796. # [19:42] <supsup> yah
  797. # [19:42] <supsup> how does chrome etc know about the no-js?
  798. # [19:43] <shawn_dones> hober: yep it was a band aid
  799. # [19:43] <paul_irish> because you can't put classes on doctypes
  800. # [19:43] <supsup> so .no-js is just for IE right?
  801. # [19:43] <paul_irish> its for everyone
  802. # [19:43] <paul_irish> modernizr.js changes the .no-js to .js
  803. # [19:43] <supsup> o
  804. # [19:43] <supsup> thanks!
  805. # [19:45] <shawn_dones> anyone had issues with jqmoble and mobile safari after ios5 update?
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  807. # [19:47] <paul_irish> check their issue tracker to see if anythign is goin gon
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  811. # [19:48] <supsup> hey paul have you ever used oAuth 1.0 if so what did u think about all the handshakes?
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  816. # [19:50] * paul_irish has been lucky enough to avoid oauth. but i hear 2 is pleasant
  817. # [19:51] <supsup> yah i hear 2.0 is also is n ice too bad i can't use it ;-(
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  819. # [19:51] <tantek> it's been usable and improving. nice way to get started with OAuth is writing a simple Twitter client - lots of support, libraries etc.
  820. # [19:52] <supsup> i had to use like a rest plugin to figure it all out
  821. # [19:52] <supsup> for chrome
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  823. # [19:52] <supsup> rest client
  824. # [19:52] <supsup> what do u guys think about Windows 8 having IE8 embedded intot he OS again ~random question
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  827. # [19:53] <ProLoser|Work> hmm
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  829. # [19:56] <jarek> supsup: Windows 8 will ship with IE10
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  831. # [19:56] <ryanneufeld> does anyone know where I can find the docs on what attribute values need quotes?
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  833. # [19:56] <tantek> ryanneufeld - easier to just always use quoted attributed values.
  834. # [19:56] <ryanneufeld> tantek: I know that
  835. # [19:57] <tantek> ;)
  836. # [19:57] <ProLoser|Work> still looking for more peeps for the turntable room :)
  837. # [19:57] <ryanneufeld> there was an article on it, paul_irish wrote or had some testing
  838. # [19:57] <ryanneufeld> I just can't find it now
  839. # [19:57] <ProLoser|Work> win8, bleh
  840. # [19:57] <ProLoser|Work> going the way of the mobile os
  841. # [19:58] <paul_irish> http://mothereffingunquotedattributes.com/
  842. # [19:58] <paul_irish> :)
  843. # [19:58] <paul_irish> http://mathiasbynens.be/notes/unquoted-attribute-values
  844. # [19:58] <ProLoser|Work> interesting
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  846. # [19:58] <ProLoser|Work> paul_irish: you just have an affinity for mother-effing
  847. # [19:58] <ProLoser|Work> you should make a mothereffing boilerplate
  848. # [19:59] <ProLoser|Work> for which to make new mothereffing websites
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  850. # [19:59] <paul_irish> oh like a template for making websites
  851. # [19:59] <paul_irish> good idea!
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  853. # [20:01] <paul_irish> yeah i think its time for another mothereffing site
  854. # [20:02] <ProLoser|Work> no not for making other website, a bp for making other mf-sites
  855. # [20:02] <supsup> jarek heh that's what i ment iE10 doh
  856. # [20:03] <ryanneufeld> paul_irish: do you know about the quoted attribute thing I'm vaguely referring to?
  857. # [20:03] <paul_irish> ProLoser|Work: oic
  858. # [20:03] <paul_irish> ryanneufeld: read ^ ^ ^
  859. # [20:03] <ryanneufeld> oh shit
  860. # [20:03] <ryanneufeld> thanks
  861. # [20:03] <ryanneufeld> FID
  862. # [20:03] <paul_irish> ya
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  865. # [20:03] <ProLoser|Work> lol
  866. # [20:03] <ryanneufeld> FID == Fuck I'm Dumb
  867. # [20:04] <ProLoser|Work> i concur
  868. # [20:04] <ryanneufeld> ouch
  869. # [20:04] <ryanneufeld> paul_irish: again, thanks
  870. # [20:04] <paul_irish> :)
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  874. # [20:07] <ryanneufeld> also, I agree, we need a mothereffingboilerplate
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  876. # [20:10] <paul_irish> keyboard shortcut for "Inspect Element" in Chrome:: Cmd + Shift + C
  877. # [20:12] <ryanneufeld> :o
  878. # [20:12] <ryanneufeld> just rocked my world
  879. # [20:12] <Pomax> how is that different from cmd+shift+i?
  880. # [20:13] <Pomax> ah. i just opens the dialog, on elements by default, or whatever tab you had last when you closed it.
  881. # [20:13] <paul_irish> right
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  883. # [20:14] <miketaylr> is there some kind of setTimeout to get cmd+shift+c to close it again?
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  887. # [20:15] <supsup> i was just requested to make a form with 300 inputs.
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  890. # [20:17] <supsup> anyone ever make a form with that many before, seems like a comical idea so I'm going to do it
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  957. # [20:37] <dangerousdave> any ideas please? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7913185/layout-options-for-web-applications-on-mobile-devices/7913208#7913208
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  967. # [20:42] <paul_irish> flexbox dangerousdave
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  970. # [20:43] <dangerousdave> paul_irish: googling...
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  973. # [20:46] <paul_irish> ?g flexbox html5rocks
  974. # [20:46] <bot-t> paul_irish, HTML5 Rocks - Quick hits with the Flexible Box Model - http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/flexbox/quick/
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  990. # [20:58] <wdd``> how do i make a url
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  992. # [20:59] <hober> wdd``: very, very carefully
  993. # [20:59] <wdd``> i bought a domain
  994. # [20:59] <wdd``> but i need to link it to my other homepage on geocities
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  996. # [21:00] <franksalim_> that's a dead giveaway, now that geocities has been shut down
  997. # [21:01] <franksalim_> surely you mean angelfire
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  1000. # [21:01] <hober> i searched for angelfire on lycos once
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  1018. # [21:23] <paul_irish> these links about browser internals are most good: http://blogmarks.net/user/rik/marks/tag/navigateur-marche
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  1022. # [21:25] <dangerousdave> paul_irish: thanks, i will have a play
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  1035. # [21:38] <herotyc> hi
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  1037. # [21:39] <herotyc> anyone up willing to test an experiment?
  1038. # [21:40] <sephr> only if I don't need to file any bugs
  1039. # [21:40] <sephr> sure
  1040. # [21:40] <herotyc> :)
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  1049. # [21:47] <aaairc> if i wanted to have an email signup page, are their any email list management services you guys know of, that allow me to submit emails to them directly through my website through a plugin or something, that will then manage the followup email, and provide a management console to send out future newsletters? thanks!
  1050. # [21:48] <sephr> omfg
  1051. # [21:48] <sephr> herotyc's demo has scarred me for life
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  1053. # [21:48] <sephr> I don't think I can look at irc the same way ever again
  1054. # [21:48] <moo-_-> aaairc: mailchimp.com
  1055. # [21:48] <moo-_-> sephr: welcome to the internets
  1056. # [21:49] <aaairc> moo-_-: thanks checking out mailchimp.com now
  1057. # [21:49] <franksalim_> sephr, herotyc: is it a secret demo?
  1058. # [21:49] <franksalim_> or dangerous, perhaps?
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  1060. # [21:50] <herotyc> franksalim_: not really, want to try?
  1061. # [21:51] <franksalim_> i don't know. "scarred for life" sounds pretty extreme
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  1113. # [22:52] <aaairc> moo-_-: do you think mailchimp.com is well above the competition? would you recommend i look at anything else?
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  1115. # [22:53] <Pomax> the people I work with swear by it
  1116. # [22:53] <Pomax> just make sure to never skip a version upgrade when you need to. going from X to X+2 in the past sometimes missed the fixes for X+1
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  1136. # [23:27] <Wilto> Hey, there’s no ARIA-specific channel, is there?
  1137. # [23:27] <andrewjbaker> What's the AskMDN topic for tomorrow? Anyone know?
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  1141. # [23:30] <andrewjbaker> Anyone? Must be some Mozillians on... :-s
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  1145. # [23:32] <ProLoser|Work> we need djs :(
  1146. # [23:32] <ProLoser|Work> we have 4
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