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  62. # [00:52] <YammYgirlcoding> evening all
  63. # [00:53] <YammYgirlcoding> anyone have a simple fallback like player.swf, with few flashvars, just to play the video and stuff? without external js, just plain flash.
  64. # [00:53] <YammYgirlcoding> it's really hard to find
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  68. # [00:53] <YammYgirlcoding> everyone uses js, skins, css, withing swf, i dont want all that, just basic player from flash alone.
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  120. # [01:36] <danielfilho> tantek: have you seen this? http://dvice.com/archives/2011/10/creator-of-css.php
  121. # [01:36] <danielfilho> I think so. :)
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  123. # [01:37] <tantek> heh
  124. # [01:38] <tantek> nice to see blog posts happening in real time regarding CSS working group discussions
  125. # [01:38] <tantek> if you want to watch the play-by-play, feel free to join irc://irc.w3.org:6665/css
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  132. # [01:43] <danielfilho> tantek: I totally will! :) thanks
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  135. # [01:46] <aguthrie> I'm trying to understand the security concerns surroundng web sockets. mainly I am trying to understand how the current masking solution solves the problem... because as I understand it only the data frames are masked, not the headers, and from the examples I've seen, it seems like the data in the header (i.e. Host and GET) would be enough to launch an attack
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  143. # [01:58] <andrewjbaker> Hi guys. Quick question... can I do this in Chrome yet...? http://jsfiddle.net/pcUPa/ <- To create an unsigned 32-bit view of the 2D canvas image data Uint8ClampedArray data attribute?
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  148. # [02:00] <franksalim> aguthrie: the handshake is a normal http request. the unmasked 'headers' in the protocol frames are a few bytes of binary flags (not http headers). the 'attack' is very ususual, and very unlikely to still be possible with masking
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  150. # [02:01] <franksalim> aguthrie: i don't know if that made anything clearer. i can try to answer any questions you have, though
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  154. # [02:04] <andrewjbaker> Any takers for my 2D canvas question? :-s
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  156. # [02:04] <YammYgirlcoding> so a friend said that people are not using flash fallback for html5 videos anymore. what are people using instead ?
  157. # [02:06] <aguthrie> franksalim: ah, I think that makes sense... (admittedly, I haven't had a chance to inspect the data with wireshark yet). and the handshake response is not seen by the client, so I guess that prevents any misuse of the handshake response (assuming the proxy were to misinterpret the handshake)
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  159. # [02:06] <aguthrie> seen by the attacker, rather
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  165. # [02:07] <franksalim> aguthrie: right
  166. # [02:07] <aguthrie> franksalim: thanks
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  169. # [02:08] <franksalim> aguthrie: np
  170. # [02:08] <franksalim> andrewjbaker: i see the Uint32Array in chrome dev. i don't think the putImageData call is working
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  174. # [02:10] <andrewjbaker> franksalim, hmm... maybe it's not creating an ArrayBuffer view that references the original data. Altho' reading the spec, it should.
  175. # [02:11] <andrewjbaker> http://www.khronos.org/registry/typedarray/specs/latest/
  176. # [02:11] <andrewjbaker> See the section titled: Overview.
  177. # [02:11] <franksalim> that is my understanding, as well
  178. # [02:12] <andrewjbaker> Has CanvasPixelArray been replaced w/ Uint8ClampedArray, do you know franksalim? As the type of the data attribute of the ImageData object.
  179. # [02:13] <franksalim> it is logging as a CanvasPixelArray
  180. # [02:13] <andrewjbaker> :-(
  181. # [02:13] <andrewjbaker> That'll be why then.
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  184. # [02:13] <franksalim> yeah
  185. # [02:13] <andrewjbaker> Damn.
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  187. # [02:13] <andrewjbaker> This has the potential to speed my pixel plotting routine by a factor of four.
  188. # [02:13] <franksalim> is there a version of the canvas 2d context spec that uses Uint8ClampedArray?
  189. # [02:13] <andrewjbaker> *speed up
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  191. # [02:13] <andrewjbaker> Yeah, one sec...
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  195. # [02:15] <andrewjbaker> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-canvas-element.html#imagedata
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  197. # [02:15] <franksalim> thanks
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  204. # [02:19] <andrewjbaker> franksalim, Would you agree that my logic and understanding, based on the HTML5 spec and the TypedArray spec I just linked, is correct and that, should browser implementers switch from CanvasPixelArray to Uint8ClampedArray, my code should work?
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  206. # [02:20] <franksalim> andrewjbaker: i think so
  207. # [02:20] <andrewjbaker> OK dude, ta.
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  225. # [02:44] <paul_irish> http://distillery.s3.amazonaws.com/media/2011/10/20/0b8f0560f4454acda5aa79380e80941a_7.jpg
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  227. # [02:45] <tw2113> how do you add to a variable string?
  228. # [02:45] <tw2113> .= ?
  229. # [02:45] <tw2113> or is it += ?
  230. # [02:47] <danielfilho> hm, guys
  231. # [02:47] <danielfilho> anyone here knows how opera handles the wildcard * on .appcache files?
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  233. # [02:47] <andrewjbaker> tw2113, += will append to a string.
  234. # [02:47] <danielfilho> like chrome and safari, or like firefox?
  235. # [02:47] <tw2113> gotcha
  236. # [02:47] <tw2113> thanks andrewjbaker
  237. # [02:47] <danielfilho> I know in firefox you cant use */api/file.js
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  239. # [02:47] <danielfilho> you can use * as suffix only. not as prefix.
  240. # [02:48] <danielfilho> I'm searching for it on opera's dev docs
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  262. # [03:16] <tw2113> paul_irish you'd be happy with me, i was tinkering with some javascript
  263. # [03:16] <tw2113> though low end basic stuff
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  381. # [05:37] <ome> Good time everyone!
  382. # [05:37] <ome> any good IDE/Editor for linux that supports html5 syntax ?
  383. # [05:38] <ome> autocomplate and everything ?
  384. # [05:38] <tw2113> which parts of html5?
  385. # [05:38] <divya> does anyone know this " Drop the Atom conversion section entirely." means there is now no more interface for microdata to convert to atom?
  386. # [05:38] <tw2113> the new tags?
  387. # [05:38] <divya> paul_irish_: ^
  388. # [05:39] <tw2113> i have all the new tags working fine with zen coding + gedit
  389. # [05:39] <ome> tw2113, yup net tags and it will good to have storag/sqlite
  390. # [05:39] <tw2113> can't say yes to the storage/sqlite part though
  391. # [05:39] <ome> s/will good/will be good
  392. # [05:39] <tw2113> unless someone built an extension/plugin for gedit and that already
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  394. # [05:40] <tw2113> type out nav and then hit shift+E and it creates <nav></nav> for me
  395. # [05:40] <ome> nice!
  396. # [05:40] <tw2113> certainly not exclusive to gedit though
  397. # [05:40] <tw2113> i do like ".foo" = <div class="foo"></div> though
  398. # [05:40] <ome> I am a netbeans guy and yet we don't get html tags support! :(
  399. # [05:41] <jarek> ome: there is no good HTML5 IDE for any platform so far
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  401. # [05:41] <jarek> ome: I would go with simple text editor such as Gedit or Sublime Text2
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  403. # [05:42] <ome> jarek, that is a bit time consuming and slow, for someone who is used to IDE's
  404. # [05:42] <ome> not that it is a good thing.
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  406. # [05:43] <jarek> ome: there is Aptana which claims to be an IDE
  407. # [05:43] <ome> I have used that when it was at 2.1 and it wall all rubish!
  408. # [05:43] <jarek> ome: but it's awfully bloated
  409. # [05:43] <jarek> ome: I fully agree with you, Aptana is awful
  410. # [05:43] <ome> s\it wall\it was
  411. # [05:44] <jarek> ome: have you thought about writting your own HTML5 IDE?
  412. # [05:44] <jarek> ome: there is a huge market, you could get rich be selling it :P
  413. # [05:44] <ome> jarek, Eih I am opensource fun boy!
  414. # [05:44] <ome> i really don't think much about selling and making money.
  415. # [05:45] <ome> but yeah I am wating for Qt to add the support for V8 and some other things I will be making my own IDE
  416. # [05:45] <ome> it will be by end of 2012 though.
  417. # [05:45] <ome> QT5 is coming sometime mid 2012
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  419. # [05:46] <jarek> ome: afair Qt5 is going to have very limited support for HTML5
  420. # [05:46] <jarek> ome: the API for WebKit webview is going to be much more limited than what we have currently
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  424. # [05:47] <ome> jarek: don think so that docs is not suggestin that.
  425. # [05:48] <ome> s/so that/so, the
  426. # [05:49] <jarek> ome: where can I find WebKit API for Qt5?
  427. # [05:50] <jarek> ome: I'm currently using WebKit2 for Cocoa, but I was thinking about switching to Qt
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  433. # [06:02] <paul_irish_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bg5BPnmj68 :p
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  436. # [06:08] <jarek> what's wrong with mutation events? Why should they be replaced?
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  444. # [06:12] <ome> jarek, I am using Qt with C++ and for documentation I am currently on a terminal and can't browse web but google should help you find the Qt timeline which explains the changes that are going to come.
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  606. # [09:44] <yamahaalex> is anyone not in North America that can test a site please?
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  608. # [09:46] <shwetank> which site?
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  610. # [09:48] <yamahaalex> is anyone not in North America that can test a site please?
  611. # [09:48] <yamahaalex> oops
  612. # [09:48] <yamahaalex> www.justmakegames.com
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  616. # [09:50] <shwetank> seems to work fine to me
  617. # [09:51] <shwetank> is there anything in particular you are wanting to test there?
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  622. # [09:58] <yamahaalex> nah shwetank some1 in Germany just said it didnt load, thanks for checkign
  623. # [09:58] <shwetank> no probs
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  683. # [11:05] <hans__> i just want to assign id to a piece of text, how can i do that? (without using ins/big/small, i dont want to change its size or add underline, just add a id to that piece of text)
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  687. # [11:08] <divya> hans__: u cant without adding a tag to contain the text
  688. # [11:09] <hans__> problem is i dont know what tag to use
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  690. # [11:12] <hans__> if i use small/big, the size changes, if i use ins, it get underscore, if i use p, some space is created before/after the specific part of the text i want an id on... any idea what tag i can use that doesnt make a visible change? (there is no text decoration/color)
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  692. # [11:14] <hans__> thanks! (after reading w3c doc, seems like exactly what im looking for)
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  696. # [11:18] <Guest18636> whats more important, that my field has a label, or my page has a h1, I really dont need both
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  798. # [14:34] <andrewjbaker> paul_irish_, dude, which version of Chrome are you running?
  799. # [14:36] <andrewjbaker> franksalim, not quite perfect mate... but I've managed to use unsigned 32-bit writes for pixel manipulation in Firefox. http://jsperf.com/unsigned-32-bit-image-data-writes
  800. # [14:37] <andrewjbaker> I'd prefer it if I could just create a Uint32Array view from the Uint8ClampedArray image data data attribute. But, perhaps that will come w/ time...
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  871. # [16:39] <ghinda> is there any way to stop the android browser from opening video tags in it's default player, and just keep them in the browser?
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  874. # [16:48] <PrgmrBill> what would you use to separate form elements?
  875. # [16:48] <PrgmrBill> just a div? or is there something more semantically correct
  876. # [16:50] <paul_irish_> andrewjbaker: i run canary and stable side by side
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  879. # [16:50] <dagobah> Is there a HTML5 only speedtest?
  880. # [16:53] <andrewjbaker> paul_irish_, know if canary has replaced CanvasPixelArray w/ Uint8ClampedArray yet mate?
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  882. # [16:55] <paul_irish_> no idea
  883. # [16:56] <andrewjbaker> paul_irish_, would you mind running this for me in canary mate please? http://jsperf.com/unsigned-32-bit-image-data-writes
  884. # [16:56] <andrewjbaker> If it errors, they've not implemented it yet.
  885. # [16:57] <paul_irish_> lemme refresh canary
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  887. # [16:57] <andrewjbaker> Ta dude.
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  889. # [16:58] <paul_irish_> errrrrrror
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  891. # [16:59] <andrewjbaker> Oh well, I'm sure they're working on it...
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  899. # [17:11] <ghinda> paul_irish: isn't dev ahead of canary?
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  901. # [17:11] <paul_irish> no. canary is a near daily build. dev is weekly.
  902. # [17:11] <ghinda> ohw
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  990. # [18:41] <JonathanNeal> ahoy
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  993. # [18:43] <danielfilho> hey JonathanNeal :)
  994. # [18:43] <danielfilho> need to send my gangsta html5 pic! :D
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  997. # [18:44] <JonathanNeal> awesome
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  1006. # [19:03] <cryptops1> can the html5 filesystem api be used to count number of files in a folder, and get their last access date?
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  1063. # [20:38] <yamahaalex37> how can i go about getting a 3d menu, similar to this, in bwe
  1064. # [20:38] <yamahaalex37> web
  1065. # [20:38] <yamahaalex37> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKDuzVbi50Q
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  1105. # [21:07] <cheshair> Hi everybody! I am a web programmer but quite new to Html5. I've just ran into http://html5boilerplate.com/. Is that a good way to go as a template/base for my forthcomings projects? Are there any famousand more spread alternatives?
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  1107. # [21:08] <chovy> cheshair: that's pretty much the defacto standard around here.
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  1109. # [21:08] <cheshair> chovy, that's very helpful of you, thank you very much
  1110. # [21:08] <yamahaalex37> what is boilerpoint
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  1126. # [21:24] <chovy> boilerplate is a starting point for html5 development.
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  1130. # [21:28] <chovy> I've created an offline-app https://github.com/chovy/offline-app that can be used as a starting point for dynamic offline applications.
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  1156. # [21:38] <taylorRichie> Does anyone have experience with ImpactJS? (html5 game engine)
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  1158. # [21:38] <andrewjbaker> taylorRichie, head over to #bbg domsz (author of ImpactJS) is always in our channel.
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  1160. # [21:38] <acidjazz> whats up
  1161. # [21:38] <taylorRichie> Thanks andrewjbaker!
  1162. # [21:38] <andrewjbaker> For those that are either attending NewGame, or that would've loved to have been there, but couldn't make it, there's a Freenode channel #ngc11
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  1164. # [21:39] <andrewjbaker> I've also taken the liberty of creating a short URL that you can tweet: http://bit.ly/chat-ngc11 that'll take people to Freenode's Web chat and pre-populate the channel box.
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  1200. # [22:01] <ale_> Guys, about the html5 canvas, how can I draw a rectangle with the moouse drag event
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  1207. # [22:03] <ProLoser|Work> hallo
  1208. # [22:04] <ProLoser|Work> i tried messing with a link's target attribute
  1209. # [22:04] <ProLoser|Work> to use _parent
  1210. # [22:04] <ProLoser|Work> but i get this: Refused to display document because display forbidden by X-Frame-Options.
  1211. # [22:04] <ale_> Guys, about the html5 canvas, how can I draw a rectangle with the moouse drag event
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  1213. # [22:05] <ShawnRisk> how do I check if a site is html5 based?
  1214. # [22:05] <andrewjbaker> <!DOCTYPE html>
  1215. # [22:06] <chovy> is it possible to capture a user's camera on their device w/ html5?
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  1218. # [22:07] <JonathanNeal> chovy: i don't think so, but that would be pretty nifty. flash can do it
  1219. # [22:08] <tw2113> ale_ http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/html5-canvas-painting/
  1220. # [22:08] <ShawnRisk> andrewjbaker: what am I looking for in the doctype?
  1221. # [22:08] <tw2113> <!DOCTYPE html> <---html5 doctype
  1222. # [22:08] <andrewjbaker> That it matches that doctype ShawnRisk.
  1223. # [22:09] <andrewjbaker> Yes, it really is that simple. ;-)
  1224. # [22:09] <tw2113> otherwise, just do a ctrl+f for the semantic tags
  1225. # [22:09] <ShawnRisk> oh okay I gt it
  1226. # [22:09] <ShawnRisk> get*
  1227. # [22:09] <ShawnRisk> thanks
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  1302. # [23:36] <tw2113> who's js knowledgeable and paying attention?
  1303. # [23:38] <franksalim> tw2113: i'll admit to half of that
  1304. # [23:38] <tw2113> the paying attention part?
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  1306. # [23:38] <franksalim> maybe
  1307. # [23:39] <tw2113> :P
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  1315. # [23:47] <themiddleman_itv> Anyone happen to know of a service I can upload a file and be able to ajax load it with CORS headers? Like if pastebin had cors headers on `raw file`.
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  1317. # [23:48] <MooCalifornia> themiddleman_itv: a good question
  1318. # [23:48] <MooCalifornia> themiddleman_itv: github gist?
  1319. # [23:48] <themiddleman_itv> ooh, let me check
  1320. # [23:48] <MooCalifornia> or whatever crazy stuff github happens to offer
  1321. # [23:50] <themiddleman_itv> no cors headers on gists :/
  1322. # [23:50] <themiddleman_itv> I could jsonP it though hah
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