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- # [03:21] <jarek> Hello
- # [03:21] <jarek> I have noticed that when I have several hundrets of elements on the page
- # [03:22] <jarek> and if I set opacity on them with rgba() then the scrolling gets sluggish
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- # [03:23] <jarek> is there a list of other CSS properties that could potentially slow down the rendering?
- # [03:24] <jarek> also, SVG blur filter seems to have exactly the same issue, the more I use it on the page the harder it is to scroll it
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- # [09:57] <bourbaki> greetings
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- # [10:04] <bourbaki> im tinkering with websockets
- # [10:05] <bourbaki> i have a C# websocket server and i send some data to my website, how can i deal with the data received on the html5 side?
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- # [10:34] <franksalim> bourbaki: message events?
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- # [10:38] <bourbaki> franksalim : got that already :) i wonder about something else now
- # [10:38] <bourbaki> i thought about implementing a boardgame with html5 and websockets
- # [10:39] <bourbaki> how do you handle something like rendering a different view inside the html5 site?
- # [10:39] <bourbaki> would you load a different website or would you send something like an xml description of the layout to the html5 website via websocket?
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- # [10:44] <franksalim> bourbaki: you have lots of options
- # [10:44] <bourbaki> is there anything like a best practice?
- # [10:44] <franksalim> bourbaki: i typically just send data on the websocket, rather than layout
- # [10:45] <bourbaki> thought so otherwise youd have to implement something like a html5 parser or so :)
- # [10:45] <franksalim> you can use the browser to parse html for you
- # [10:45] <franksalim> but you don't usually want to
- # [10:45] <bourbaki> but how would you handle something like rendering a new dialog?
- # [10:46] <franksalim> have you looked at any javascript UI libraries?
- # [10:47] <bourbaki> nope im pretty new to all the html5 and js stuff
- # [10:47] <bourbaki> are there any free ones?
- # [10:47] <franksalim> yes :)
- # [10:47] <bourbaki> oh :) got any hints what to look at?
- # [10:48] <franksalim> http://jqueryui.com/demos/dialog/
- # [10:48] <bourbaki> thanks a lot
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- # [11:17] <bourbaki> how do i rotate something on the fly with css?
- # [11:17] <bourbaki> i tried this here $('#card').css("rotate",angle);
- # [11:29] <divya> -<prefix>-transform: rotate(90deg);
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- # [11:32] <bourbaki> in the style block but how do i do that in js with jquery?
- # [11:34] <divya> .css({-<prefix>-transform: rotate(90deg)})
- # [11:34] <divya> also you can ask in #jquery
- # [11:34] <bourbaki> thanks al ot
- # [11:36] <bourbaki> that wont parse
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- # [11:51] <Ilie> Hi, I want to use the example from http://studio.html5rocks.com/#Deck , When I change to the next slide, I want to update the page in all open browsers, so If 4 people see the page, we will be on the same slide
- # [11:51] <Ilie> any idea how I can acomplish this ?
- # [11:52] <T-Co> Using WebSockets
- # [11:52] <T-Co> Ilie, Check out node.js and socket.io
- # [11:52] <Ilie> thanks for the tips
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- # [13:50] <martisj> how do I find the build number for my html5boilerplate project after I've run "ant build -Denv=dev"?
- # [13:51] <divya> we dont have a concept of a build number
- # [13:51] <martisj> also is there a way to skip the image optimaisation step? tried setting images.bypass = * in project.properties.
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- # [13:52] <martisj> divya: okay thanks, I just read it on the h5bp website @ http://html5boilerplate.com/docs/Build-script/#here-is-how-the-environments-work
- # [13:52] <divya> ah srry martisj its old :(
- # [13:52] <divya> need to update it.
- # [13:52] <martisj> no worries :)
- # [13:53] <martisj> for my second question I guess i could run ant text -Denv=dev ?
- # [13:53] <divya> martisj: yes you can skip image optimization by using ant text
- # [13:53] <divya> yeah
- # [13:53] <divya> you can do ant text dev
- # [13:53] <divya> and it should work
- # [13:53] <martisj> just ant text dev?
- # [13:53] <martisj> i'll give it a go
- # [13:53] <divya> yeah i think it should work
- # [13:53] <martisj> I just pulled the last h5bp from git so I should be up to date now :)
- # [13:54] <divya> woo
- # [13:54] <martisj> i'll try :)
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- # [13:54] <martisj> "Building a Production Environment" is the initial message in my terminal when I ran ant text dev
- # [13:55] <martisj> I guess it really doesn't matter whether it's a dev or production build?..
- # [13:55] <divya> hahahah really
- # [13:55] <divya> :/
- # [13:55] <divya> weird
- # [13:55] <divya> lemme look
- # [13:55] <divya> it shouldnt say so :/
- # [13:55] <martisj> THANKS :) that would be swell... Still quite confused wit hant
- # [13:56] <martisj> *ant
- # [13:56] <martisj> and building
- # [13:56] <divya> yikes so it sez
- # [13:57] <divya> hmm
- # [13:57] <martisj> (BUILD FAILED Target "dev" does not exist in the project "Boilerplate Build". )
- # [13:57] <martisj> weird
- # [13:57] <divya> hahaha well
- # [13:57] <divya> martisj: why do you need a dev build?
- # [13:57] <divya> you dont want to minify your scripts?
- # [13:57] <martisj> I don't, I just want to try and use the build script as it was intended :)
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- # [13:58] <martisj> hehehehe
- # [13:58] <divya> ohh
- # [13:58] <divya> martisj: then just do ant text
- # [13:58] <divya> it should work
- # [13:58] <martisj> yeah it is working, just "ant text dev" didn't work :)
- # [13:59] <martisj> ant text -Denv=dev didn't work
- # [13:59] <martisj> *did work
- # [13:59] <divya> oh
- # [13:59] <divya> weird
- # [13:59] <divya> something wrong with those args
- # [13:59] <divya> :/
- # [14:00] <martisj> np :)
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- # [14:01] <martisj> say I have 10 html files that I want to "build"; what's the best practice/consensus for how to add them to the list of files to be minified?
- # [14:01] <martisj> project.properties?
- # [14:01] <divya> yes martisj
- # [14:02] <martisj> divya: thanks
- # [14:02] <divya> np!
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- # [14:05] <martisj> ant text is only copying the img js and css folders to the publish folder
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- # [14:07] <martisj> atm
- # [14:07] <divya> martisj: yes what do you want?
- # [14:07] <divya> i mean should it do anything else?
- # [14:07] <divya> oops
- # [14:07] <divya> hahaha
- # [14:07] <divya> greatt
- # [14:07] <divya> so many bugss
- # [14:07] <martisj> :)
- # [14:07] <divya> martisj: can you file a bug at the github repo?
- # [14:08] <martisj> got to love them :D
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- # [14:08] <martisj> yepp
- # [14:08] <divya> https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/issues/
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- # [14:10] <divya> martisj: if you have some time to update the documentation also that would be great!
- # [14:10] <divya> given you have been doing such exhaustive testing of the build script :)
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- # [14:19] <martisj> will do
- # [14:19] <martisj> How do I update the docs though?
- # [14:19] <divya> thanks martisj!
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- # [14:33] <martisj> forget about the last message "how do I up...." found it at https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/wiki
- # [14:33] <divya> martisj: yay
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- # [16:20] <ghinda> any idea how it would be possible to add paging to https://github.com/codepo8/yql-rss-speed-comparison/blob/master/rss.multi.list.xml ?
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- # [16:37] <erichynds> Does anyone know if it's possible to sniff postMessage traffic?
- # [16:37] <erichynds> like, charles style
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- # [16:42] <johnkpaul> erichynds: http://blog.kotowicz.net/2011/01/xss-track-as-html5-websockets-traffic.html might help you, but I think I'm wrong, and charles won't do it
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- # [17:46] <JonathanNeal> good (your timezone greeting here)!
- # [17:47] <MooCalifornia> JonathanNeal: we have internet time
- # [17:48] <MooCalifornia> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time
- # [17:48] <MooCalifornia> it's decimals
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- # [17:50] <JonathanNeal> oh okay
- # [17:50] <JonathanNeal> ?webtime
- # [17:50] <bot-t> JonathanNeal, Mobile Web Time Picker | Webification - http://webification.com/tag/mobile-web-time-picker
- # [17:50] <JonathanNeal> Nope :P
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- # [17:59] <ghinda> so what time is it in internet time?
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- # [18:00] <JonathanNeal> tuesday
- # [18:00] <JonathanNeal> o clock
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- # [18:13] <Conexion> Hmm, You know what would be cool? To be able to treat images with full alpha transparency like a div, and be able to add borders, shadows, etc
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- # [18:14] <Conexion> So like, if I had an image of a star, I could stroke it with white and add a drop shadow or something
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- # [18:22] <Jon47> Conexion you can do this with canvas
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- # [18:23] <Conexion> Jon47: Indeed, and I have. I'm just saying it would be convenient to have it built into CSS :p
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- # [18:41] <Jon47> Conexion, I see your point ;) they can't add every little thing to the spec but you can certainly suggest it: http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work
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- # [18:55] <croby> does anyone have strong (or weak) opinions on display:[table, table-cell, table-row]?
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- # [19:08] <croby> Jon47: thanks, I'll have a look
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- # [19:08] <Jon47> it was about center-alignement
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- # [19:08] <Jon47> and my understanding of the article was basically "you might find yourself using this, it's not ideal but it gets the job done"
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- # [19:19] <themiddleman_itv> Hey guys, starting a project with require.js, is require-jquery.js obsolete now that jquery 1.7 supports AMD?
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- # [19:24] <divya> ?tell grantgalitz image-rendering is now in opera http://jsfiddle.net/zda24/
- # [19:24] <bot-t> divya, Okay.
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- # [19:35] <MooCalifornia> beregond: probably not possible to mess with full screen mode
- # [19:36] <beregond> well, on youtube you can see they've made it, but i can't figure how
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- # [21:23] <paul_irish> themiddleman_itv: yes correct.
- # [21:24] <paul_irish> require-jquery.js is obsolete as of jq 1.7
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- # [21:59] <themiddleman_itv> paul_irish: cool beans
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- # [22:09] <themiddleman_itv> I am seeing a problem we may have with the whole AMD pattern. If I make a library that optionally uses AMD, what happens when browsers start natively supporting define() and require()? I see jquery does 'typeof define == "function" && define.amd && define.amd.jQuery && define(…)' but where should/does define.amd.jQuery come from?
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- # [22:16] <paul_irish> themiddleman_itv: define.amd.jquery was invented by james burke to handle some edge cases. its documented in the soruce
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- # [22:16] <paul_irish> i dont know if there is a module proposal that indicates browsers will own define/require
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- # [22:20] <themiddleman_itv> paul_irish: ok, cool
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- # [22:42] <franksalim> paul_irish, themiddleman_itv: the es.next module proposal uses the "import" reserved word, yeah?
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- # [22:44] <Conexion> Hmm. Would anyone know if not allowing transitions to animate to 'auto' elements is part of the spec or not?
- # [22:44] <Conexion> I can't seem to find any information on it
- # [22:45] <themiddleman_itv> Conexion:
- # [22:45] <Conexion> I'm trying to do a CSS transition from a height of 0px to auto
- # [22:45] <themiddleman_itv> no, it doesnt work
- # [22:45] <Conexion> Well, I know that. I'm just wondering if it is part of the spec or not
- # [22:45] <Conexion> Like, if that is intended
- # [22:45] <themiddleman_itv> I looked into it a while back and they said it is too hard to do it because the auto size bay be based on something else
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- # [22:46] <themiddleman_itv> It is intended to not work
- # [22:46] <themiddleman_itv> (but it sucks)
- # [22:46] <Conexion> But the point of css transitions is to make it so you can do these animations without Javascript
- # [22:46] <Conexion> And let the browser handle it
- # [22:47] <themiddleman_itv> well you can explicitly set the height
- # [22:47] <Conexion> That doesn't work for dynamic content :p
- # [22:47] <Conexion> or if the user has changed their font size settings
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- # [22:47] <paul_irish> franksalim: yeah.. at least the one i'm thinking of doe
- # [22:47] <paul_irish> s
- # [22:49] <themiddleman_itv> You could get the computed height, set it to that explicitly, then when the animation is done, reset it to auto. Crappy though :/
- # [22:49] <Conexion> Why can't the browser do that? :p
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- # [22:50] <Conexion> I know I can do this with Javascript, but that defeats the entire purpose of using CSS-Transitions!
- # [22:50] <divya> Conexion: well sometimes
- # [22:51] <Conexion> Any visual changes that don't have to do with functionality should go to CSS 100% of the time
- # [22:51] <Conexion> If it is directly functional, then sure, JS is fine
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- # [22:52] <divya> well Conexion there are issues with css that makes it more difficult to do than with JS. i am sure www-style has endless discussions on why
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- # [22:52] <divya> hopefully it will be fixed soon.
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- # [22:52] <Conexion> It sounds like there might be the need for another attribute other than 'auto' then
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- # [22:53] <Conexion> And I mean, I don't mind, I just wanted to know if the spec addresses that issue
- # [22:54] <divya> Conexion: not yet but hopefully soon.
- # [22:54] <Conexion> Cool :)
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