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1. # Session Start: Tue Nov 08 00:00:00 2011
2. # Session Ident: #html5
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6. # [00:02] <mbn_18> Hi, I wish the inject an SVG to webpages on Firefox. I am not sure what to use. object or embed. Any idea?
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9. # [00:04] <franksalim> mbn_18: or <img> or inline with an <svg> element
10. # [00:04] <mbn_18> franksalim: I also need to manipulate the SVG using JS. I think <img> will not let me do it.
11. # [00:05] <mbn_18> can I use <svg> >
12. # [00:05] <franksalim> yes
13. # [00:05] <mbn_18> ?
14. # [00:05] <divya> ?g raphaelJS @ mbn_18
15. # [00:05] <bot-t> mbn_18, Raphaël—JavaScript Library - http://raphaeljs.com/
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17. # [00:06] <franksalim> you can manipulate the elements in an <svg> with JS
18. # [00:06] <mbn_18> Cool, thanks
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26. # [00:10] <franksalim> divya: does raphael have a way to take SVG markup as input?
27. # [00:11] <divya> franksalim: no it does not
28. # [00:11] <divya> oops
29. # [00:11] <divya> D3 might?
30. # [00:11] <divya> not sure
31. # [00:12] <divya> never used.
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43. # [00:26] <Guest4418> hello ppl
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45. # [00:26] <Guest4418> WЂε̲̣̣̣̥rε̲̣̣̣̥ is layshia
46. # [00:27] <Guest4418> who me?
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103. # [01:39] <zkirill> How does icloud.com/#calendar handle scrolling without making the scrollbar visible?
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115. # [01:52] <zkirill> hober: they have an aria scrollbar they made themselves. If you change the css property from overflow: hidden to overflow: auto then you start seeing the HTML5 one
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151. # [03:25] <tiglionabbit> how come there is still no simple way to center something vertically inside its parent?
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153. # [03:29] <MooCalifornia> a good quesiton
154. # [03:30] <franksalim> http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/flexbox/quick/#toc-center
155. # [03:31] <MooCalifornia> http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/go-away-birds.php
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160. # [03:37] <gad-zllang> hello?
161. # [03:37] <palleman1> hello
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163. # [03:39] <gad-zllang> i use window.opendatabase create a database instance,then use db.transcation(tx), how i can transform params to the tx?i just want execute a sql with some parms
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166. # [03:42] <gad-zllang> how transfer some parameter to the database transcation.when use db.transcation?
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173. # [03:47] <gad-zllang> anybody here?
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176. # [03:49] <Pomax> sort of
177. # [03:51] <Pomax> you may want to read over http://www.w3.org/TR/webdatabase
178. # [03:51] <Pomax> you may also want to not make typing mistakes when programming, like spelling transaction as transcation... that'll definitely make code not work ;)
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181. # [03:55] <gad-zllang> Pomax: thanks, sorry for my english. I ll try it again,yestoday i found some code,it,s use closure to do . only the way ?
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189. # [04:18] <Pomax> first see if you can get it to work without minification and closures, etc.
190. # [04:18] <Pomax> (which you should be able to)
191. # [04:18] <Pomax> then you can start worrying about optimisation
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355. # [09:20] <tw2113> dang...Firefox Nightly has some nice looking inspector tools going
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380. # [09:51] <dupe> Hi pals. Anybody know of a HTML inline element that doesn't style the containing text? Basically, I need an alternative to <span>. Any ideas?
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645. # [17:08] <supsup> yo paul_irish_ you in here by chance i have a question about html 5 boiler plate !
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647. # [17:08] <supsup> or anyone else who uses it ~~
648. # [17:08] <supsup> paul tried to explain this to me before and i thought i had it, but i found out i still don't get it. why he has the conditional <html> tags for IE and none for other browsers
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650. # [17:09] <JonathanNeal> hiya
651. # [17:10] <divya> supsup: what you mean?
652. # [17:10] <divya> you cant have conditionals for any other browsers
653. # [17:10] <JakeA> You rarely need to target other browsers, and other browsers don't have a… yeah, what divya said
654. # [17:11] <divya> Hi JakeA!
655. # [17:11] <JakeA> Hey!
656. # [17:13] <supsup> i mean this
657. # [17:13] <supsup> where is the html tag for other browsers!
658. # [17:13] <supsup> inside the doctype tag?
659. # [17:13] <divya> it is in <!—[!IE-->
660. # [17:14] <divya> the comment is closed
661. # [17:14] <divya> which means other browsers will understand what follows that
662. # [17:14] <divya> err pardon syntax errors
663. # [17:14] <supsup> i don't see that one tho
664. # [17:14] <supsup> look here: http://html5boilerplate.com/
665. # [17:14] <supsup> then go downt o Index.html
666. # [17:14] <supsup> and click it
667. # [17:14] <supsup> it opens
668. # [17:14] <supsup> i don't see a !IE
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670. # [17:14] <supsup> thats why i'm confused
671. # [17:14] <divya> supsup: i know i made it
672. # [17:15] <divya> it is <!—[if gt IE 8]> <!-->
673. # [17:15] <divya> if you notice everything else looks commented out
674. # [17:15] <supsup> that covers Firefox? etc?
675. # [17:15] <divya> except the bit between IE78
676. # [17:15] <divya> err gt IE8
677. # [17:15] <JakeA> https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/blob/master/index.html#L7
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679. # [17:16] <supsup> o
680. # [17:16] <supsup> so this: <!--[if gt IE 8]><!--> is not the same as the ones above it
681. # [17:16] <supsup> because the comment ends
682. # [17:16] <divya> yeah
683. # [17:16] <supsup> oo wow yah i'm blind
684. # [17:16] <supsup> thanks divya
685. # [17:17] <divya> np
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688. # [17:19] <supsup> bah still a little confused how does it not comment it out for non-ie browsers tho won't they have it commented out?
689. # [17:19] <divya> anything beyond <!--[if gt IE 8]><!--> is parsed by everyone
690. # [17:19] <divya> except IE
691. # [17:19] <divya> because IE will notice the conditional
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693. # [17:19] <divya> and if it is not gt IE 8
694. # [17:19] <divya> it wont even bother parsing
695. # [17:20] <JonathanNeal> hi hi
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697. # [17:20] <supsup> so <!--> is like a hack to add in other browsers to a conditional ie statement?
698. # [17:20] <supsup> just never seen it before
699. # [17:20] <supsup> with conditionals
700. # [17:21] <divya> well it just closes the comment so other browsers can understand what occurs next
701. # [17:21] <supsup> yah
702. # [17:21] <supsup> i think i get it now thanks again!
703. # [17:21] <supsup> just odd i've never seen it used before anywhere else ~
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705. # [17:21] <supsup> or maybe i have and never paid attention
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709. # [17:24] <supsup> just googled this too http://paulirish.com/2008/conditional-stylesheets-vs-css-hacks-answer-neither/
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715. # [17:26] <supsup> though oddly in that article he says he added a if IE9 one and then if gt IE9 to boilerplate but it's not there. guess this idea was changed later?
716. # [17:27] <divya> yeah supsup we think iE9 is on par
717. # [17:27] <divya> with modern browsers and does not require a custom class
718. # [17:27] <supsup> ok cool !
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720. # [17:28] <supsup> man this was written in 2008 i'm so late to the party ;0<
721. # [17:29] <manuchill> well, you're using h5bp now so you're back in business ;)
722. # [17:29] <divya> hahahah
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729. # [17:36] <JonathanNeal> although ie9 still has a cloneNode bug, grumble grumble.
730. # [17:37] <JonathanNeal> it carries over special properties and destroys textnode childnodes
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732. # [17:37] <supsup> that's what Grumpkins do i think
733. # [17:37] <supsup> grumple grumple
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736. # [17:39] <supsup> at least thats what Old Nan told me.
737. # [17:39] <Conexion> Would anyone know how to prevent bubbling from occurring in CSS Transitions without using transitionEnd?
738. # [17:40] <divya> Conexion: what do you mean?
739. # [17:41] <Conexion> Lets say I'm animating something inside of a div that is also animated
740. # [17:41] <Conexion> If I animate the inside element, once it finishes, it triggers the transitionend of the parent element
741. # [17:41] <Conexion> It bubbles up
742. # [17:41] <Conexion> I want to prevent that without using transitionEnd on the child element
743. # [17:42] <Conexion> Normally, you would use transitionEnd, and then kill it with e.stopPropagation();
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747. # [17:42] <Conexion> But I can't do that in this case because I'm animating a loading bar where the animation is interrupted with a new position, often before the original animation can complete
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750. # [17:43] <Conexion> When an animation is interrupted, transitionEnd doesn't fire, yet it still bubbles up causing my parent element's transitionEnd to fire
751. # [17:43] <divya> Conexion: i cant think of anyway other than making it not bubble
752. # [17:44] <Conexion> Yeah... that's the problem I'm having =/. I can't prevent the bubbling
753. # [17:45] <divya> Conexion: i mean using transitionEnd and e.stopPropogation
754. # [17:45] <divya> s/o/a
755. # [17:45] <Conexion> Doesn't work =/
756. # [17:46] <Conexion> When a transition is interrupted with a new value, transitionEnd doesn't fire
757. # [17:46] <Conexion> But it still bubbles up for some reason
758. # [17:46] <divya> wait Conexion woah?
759. # [17:46] <divya> all browsers?
760. # [17:46] <divya> that would be odd.
761. # [17:46] <Conexion> I will double check, so far it is happening in Firefox and a flavor of webkit
762. # [17:47] <divya> are you sure its bubbling?
763. # [17:47] <divya> because it could be the parent's properties are changing?
764. # [17:47] <divya> triggering parent's transitionEnd?
765. # [17:47] <Conexion> Happens in Chrome...
766. # [17:47] <Conexion> I'm positive
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768. # [17:47] <Conexion> The parent's properties aren't changing at all
769. # [17:47] <divya> Conexion: it would help if you have a jsfiddle.net test case
770. # [17:48] <Conexion> Alright, I'll throw one together after I grab my coffee
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815. # [18:49] <divya> is there anyone here who works on yahoo.com ?
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818. # [18:52] <hober> dgathright: ^^
819. # [18:53] <dgathright> divya: I work on YUI. What's up?
820. # [18:53] <dgathright> hober: thx
821. # [18:54] <divya> dgathright: yay i am gonna PM you.
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823. # [18:56] <divya> thnx hober!!
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839. # [19:26] <hober> divya: np
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943. # [21:25] <paul_irish> shoudl get a new IE 10 pp soon
944. # [21:26] <franksalim> exciting
945. # [21:27] <franksalim> i wonder if the windows 8 dev preview will autoupdate
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981. # [22:09] <supsup> time for a new phone: galaxy s2 skyrocket or iphone 4s?
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986. # [22:16] <MooCalifornia> supsup: what you are going to do with your phone?
987. # [22:16] <MooCalifornia> html5?
988. # [22:17] <Conexion> Haha, I got muted on #html. Apparently off-handedly pointing out that there is a difference between <input type="text'> and <textarea> was a "stupid comment" and that I should be quiet when he commands me to
989. # [22:18] <tw2113> truth hurts them
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991. # [22:18] <Conexion> Serious business man
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1008. # [22:47] <supsup> Moo: take over zee world.
1009. # [22:48] <supsup> no idea but yah sure web browsing will be in htere and testing htmlz code. does one of them/both of them not support html5? i know the skyrocket will get upgraded to ice cream sandwich in a few months
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1011. # [22:50] <Conexion> Uh...
1012. # [22:50] <supsup> sup
1013. # [22:50] <Conexion> Both are Android and Apple use webkit based browsers so you'll be good either way
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1016. # [22:51] <supsup> i thought so too but his question made me think maybe one did not.
1017. # [22:51] <Conexion> I have both a 4s and a older android galaxy and I like both. The iPhone feels a bit tighter
1018. # [22:51] <Conexion> But both are solid devices
1019. # [22:51] <supsup> word
1020. # [22:53] <Conexion> As a mobile web developer, there are things I like about both of them - the iPhone has smoother CSS transitions, but the Android has a larger display size, though has a lower resolution
1021. # [22:54] <Conexion> The Android browser also seems to load things into memory a bit faster, but it depends on what you're doing
1022. # [22:54] <supsup> gotcha
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