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# [01:02] <ryanseddon> ha facebook when they launched the html5 thingy also added that extra e
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# [01:03] <ryanseddon> question, all css properties should have the equivalent dom property e.g. -moz-border-image has MozBorderImage are there any exceptions?
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# [01:04] <ryanseddon> e.g. in FF -moz-calc doesn't have MozCalc
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# [02:47] <YammYgirlcoding> good evening all o/
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# [03:00] <ricardoandres> glld
# [03:00] <ricardoandres> good evening
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# [05:31] <culito13> hello
# [05:31] <fellayaboy> hey could someone help me oujt im kinda new
# [05:32] <fellayaboy> ay que culito mas lindo
# [05:32] <fellayaboy> i just wanted to know whats the best type of shopping cart to add to a website
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# [05:32] <fellayaboy> i dont want to use a paypal one..
# [05:33] <fellayaboy> but how does that go and how much do they charge u for that im totally lost could someone point me to the right direction
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# [05:36] <fellayaboy> how can i add a credit card payment to my website so people could buy my tshirts
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# [05:46] <aamironline> Dear all, I am developing an asset manager, any idea, what is the best way to preload vidoe and audio?
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# [06:01] <aamironline> Dear all, I am developing an asset manager, any idea, what is the best way to preload vidoe and audio?
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# [06:24] <paul_irish> aamironline: http://smus.com/game-asset-loader
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# [07:01] <T-Co_> paul_irish, Are you familiar with JavaScriptMVC?
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# [07:03] <paul_irish> T-Co_: familiar yes. used no
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# [07:04] <T-Co_> paul_irish, Roger that. Would you happen to know anyone who uses it? I'm looking for references (corporate ones to be exact)...
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# [07:05] <T-Co_> I have to point out to a client that it's something they want to use :)
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# [07:16] <paul_irish> T-Co_: ive seen @tdreyno blog about it
# [07:16] <paul_irish> T-Co_: backbone doesnt have as big of a feature set but certainly has a larger community around it hese days
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# [08:28] <Lazzzy> anybody in here willing to answer a jquery question please help me out (jquery room is dead) http://pastie.org/pastes/2840404
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# [09:15] <T-Co_> paul_irish, Yeah, it seems so
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# [10:14] <grantg> heh, is this working for anyone else? http://www.grantgalitz.org/sound_test/
# [10:14] <grantg> A .wav file player
# [10:14] <grantg> With a waveform display. :3
# [10:15] <jetienne> grantg: i only got "please wait" for a long time
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# [10:15] <grantg> jetienne: yeah
# [10:15] <grantg> Your computer has to download a .wav file. :P
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# [10:15] <jetienne> grantg: put a smaller one maybe ?
# [10:15] <grantg> i.e. please wait for this uncompressed .wav file
# [10:15] <grantg> jetienne: for the mp3 decoder I will
# [10:15] <jetienne> 10mbyte already
# [10:16] <grantg> I know
# [10:16] <grantg> full song
# [10:16] <grantg> dance song. :3
# [10:16] <jetienne> grantg: you do that with the audio api ?
# [10:16] <grantg> yes
# [10:16] <grantg> moz audio + web audio + a fallback flash swf
# [10:16] <grantg> warning: song will be loud
# [10:17] <jetienne> btw at least cache the wav file :)
# [10:17] <grantg> heh
# [10:17] <grantg> Is it working on your end?
# [10:17] <jetienne> grantg: oh yeah i got it playing
# [10:17] <grantg> heh
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# [10:17] <jetienne> grantg: weirdly it seems to have issue on large window
# [10:18] <grantg> any gaps in the audio?
# [10:18] <grantg> jetienne: chrome?
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# [10:18] <jetienne> grantg: nothing i can hear IF the window is small
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# [10:18] <jetienne> grantg: super gappy if the window is maximized
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# [10:18] <jetienne> grantg: chrome stable macos
# [10:18] <grantg> jetienne: chrome + firefox delay setInterval to 1000 ms when the page is hidden
# [10:19] <grantg> which destroys the timing, as it's realtime outputted
# [10:19] <grantg> Page too big = your browser too damn slow with gfx
# [10:19] <jetienne> grantg: yep but in this case the window is visible, just large window
# [10:19] <grantg> No prob on firefox 8 at least
# [10:19] <jetienne> yep seems like it
# [10:19] <grantg> on snow
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# [10:19] <grantg> chrome is horribly slow on gfx, so it messes up there
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# [10:20] <grantg> since chrome blocks js from doing stuff while chrome goes full retard
# [10:20] <jetienne> grantg: as you play with audio api, could you split the file in several smaller chunks ?
# [10:20] <grantg> I xmlhttprequest the wav data
# [10:21] <jetienne> grantg: i had a demo which make the click hearable
# [10:21] <grantg> lol
# [10:21] <grantg> btw, the sample rate is already pretty low
# [10:22] <grantg> 16 khz
# [10:22] <grantg> realtime resampled to 44.1 khz in the case of google chrome
# [10:22] <grantg> in javascript. :P
# [10:22] <jetienne> grantg: same box, ff8 is able to play ok with full screen
# [10:22] <grantg> yup
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# [10:23] <grantg> gotta adjust the http headers for caching better
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# [10:24] <grantg> I spam the fillRect a lot for the red waveform look
# [10:24] <jetienne> i will do a visualisation with shader :)
# [10:24] <grantg> nice
# [10:25] <jetienne> this will make a nice article for learningthreejs
# [10:25] <jetienne> grantg: do you use requestanimationframe ?
# [10:25] <grantg> not right now
# [10:26] <jetienne> grantg: i got 'vbl' flickering'
# [10:26] <grantg> this was a quickie
# [10:26] <grantg> i know
# [10:26] <jetienne> ok
# [10:26] <grantg> I can time it to that
# [10:26] <grantg> I'll fix it up. :P
# [10:26] <jetienne> cool :)
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# [10:27] <grantg> On certain browsers you might not see the waveform cover the whole window, that's because of too few samples given into the internal audio callback
# [10:27] <grantg> since any number can be passed
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# [10:27] <grantg> depending on the underrunning frequency
# [10:27] <grantg> usually follows along how often the callback is called
# [10:28] <jetienne> grantg: oh ok. so how to do it better ?
# [10:28] <grantg> well, I just cap it off at 500 samples for processing
# [10:28] <jetienne> grantg: to get the callback to write in a temp array, and display this array in requestanimationframe ?
# [10:28] <grantg> jetienne: no no no
# [10:28] <jetienne> grantg: why no ? it would have been my first guess
# [10:28] <grantg> callback can just be called in the vblank event
# [10:29] <grantg> no temp array needed
# [10:29] <grantg> I'll fix it up now
# [10:29] <jetienne> ok i will look the source then :)
# [10:30] <grantg> I'm working on back-compat for non requestFrameAnimation browsers
# [10:30] <grantg> before I update
# [10:30] <jetienne> no requestanimationframe but with audio api ? which browser does this ?
# [10:31] <jetienne> got such a headache, gonna buy some pills
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# [10:34] <grantg> updated, let's see if it's going by v-blank now
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# [10:36] <jetienne> grantg: i still have it on chrome stable maxos. aka not drawn on the full width of the window and the right part of the wave is blinking randomly, even on small window.
# [10:36] <jetienne> trying ff8
# [10:36] <grantg> I know, that's by design
# [10:36] <grantg> that's not a v-blank issue
# [10:36] <grantg> that's from how many samples are dispatched to the audio api
# [10:36] <grantg> every callback
# [10:37] <grantg> limited to 500
# [10:37] <grantg> at most*
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# [10:37] <jetienne> ah ok , i misinterpreted
# [10:37] <grantg> but I just implemented requestAnimationFrame, so no actual tearing
# [10:39] <grantg> literally, I have the draw code grab samples from the callback that dispatches samples to xaudiojs
# [10:39] <grantg> and depending on how *often* the callback is able to run, more or less samples might go through it at any time
# [10:39] <grantg> draw limited to 500.
# [10:39] <grantg> that's it
# [10:40] <grantg> the gfx has an internal xaudiojs buffering delay, so it's off by exactly that from the audio being outputted
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# [10:51] <grantg> oh hah...
# [10:51] <grantg> chrome doesn't follow http 1.1???
# [10:52] <grantg> seems to be ignoring my custom http headers for caching
# [10:52] <grantg> >:|
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# [10:56] <grantg> jetienne: The way to decode .wav file data is basically grab the data from byte 44 onwards
# [10:56] <grantg> song[index2++] = (((((song_raw.charCodeAt(index + 1) & 0xFF) << 8) | (song_raw.charCodeAt(index) & 0xFF)) << 16) >> 15) / 0xFFFF;
# [10:57] <grantg> "index" starting at 44
# [10:57] <jetienne> grantg: i guess this is the header. no compressing in .wav ?
# [10:57] <jetienne> grantg: btw various browsers got more modern arrays now, with a lot more speed
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# [10:57] <grantg> I know
# [10:58] <jetienne> grantg: still part of the early phase ? :)
# [10:58] <grantg> the bottleneck is gfx, not audio processing
# [10:58] <grantg> profile chrome and see
# [10:58] <jetienne> grantg: where is the drawing in the source ?
# [10:58] <grantg> it's all in master.js
# [10:59] <grantg> that's the entire js glue code that's not from my xaudiojs library
# [10:59] <jetienne> grantg: btw wav caching is working for me
# [10:59] <grantg> heh
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# [10:59] <grantg> weird
# [10:59] <grantg> might be something on my end
# [10:59] <jetienne> drawContext.fillRect(index, sample + index3, 1, index2);
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# [10:59] <grantg> yeah
# [11:00] <grantg> audioCheck() is the function that xaudiojs calls
# [11:00] <grantg> for fulfillment of buffering
# [11:00] <grantg> also
# [11:01] <grantg> I base 64 the data
# [11:01] <grantg> via php
# [11:01] <grantg> for a quick IE9 compat
# [11:01] <grantg> though not tested in IE9 yet. :P
# [11:02] <grantg> wav is encoded on the server, then the php file sends out the encoded data
# [11:02] <grantg> see dance.wav
# [11:02] <grantg> that's the actual music file your browser never touches
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# [12:54] <jacky123> nav can have header/footer ?
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# [13:06] <JakeA> jacky123: Yes, but it isn't scoped to the nav, it's scoped to the parent sectioning element
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# [13:11] <jacky123> hmm, reading the specs, it seems that nav is a sectioning element itself ?
# [13:12] <jacky123> ohh, these terms are sooo confusing and hard
# [13:14] <JakeA> Oh, I could be wrong
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# [13:14] <JakeA> I am
# [13:15] <JakeA> Yes, nav can have its own header and footer. Apologies for misleading you
# [13:15] <jacky123> its all cool
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# [13:16] <jacky123> so, header cant have a nav inside ?
# [13:17] <Aric> anyone here pretty good with google maps api v3?
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# [14:05] <jacky123> i cant understand the usage of section elements, anyone care to enlighten me ?
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# [14:38] <YammYgirlcoding> morning all o/
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# [15:12] <hrundel50> Hey guys. So - most ads nowadays are in flash. Are they gonna be converted to html5? Is it possible in html5?
# [15:14] <JakeA> Oh yes, http://dev.sencha.com/deploy/css3-ads/
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# [15:16] <JakeA> CSS3 / canvas / SVG are increasingly capable of all the really worst bits of Flash
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# [15:20] <hrundel50> JakeA: thank:)
# [15:20] <hrundel50> JakeA: thanks:)
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# [16:06] <jacky123> cratos: thank you
# [16:07] <jacky123> i cant understand the usage of section elements, anyone care to enlighten me ?
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# [16:10] <JakeA> jacky123: If I gave you some html to include in your page, what heading number would I start at? <h2>… <h3>?
# [16:11] <JakeA> Of course, it depends on where you put the include. If we agreed a heading start number, but you later wanted to move the include, we'd have to renegotiate the heading structure
# [16:11] <JakeA> This would mean changing CSS too
# [16:11] <jacky123> h1?
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# [16:12] <JakeA> If the include is inside a section, yes, it would start at h1
# [16:12] <JakeA> because that's still a child heading to h1s in parent sections
# [16:12] <buht> is it possible to hide the a <video> element so it doesnt try to load and show, but still display it on a <canvas> ? it seems that with both of them they both load a viewable object when i put a video in it
# [16:12] <buht> ive tried js with display: none; on the video item but then the canvas doesnt show it when i drawimage
# [16:13] <JakeA> with sections, I can give you an include with a scoped heading structure, and you can put it wherever makes sense on your page
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# [16:13] <jacky123> i see, hmm ,that makes some sense
# [16:14] <JakeA> buht: The video wouldn't be able to appear on a canvas without loading
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# [16:14] <buht> JakeA: ok, so can i load it, and hide it somehow?
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# [16:15] <buht> JakeA: its weird, html5 provides video and canvas... both of them load a viewable object onto the page... why would i want a video to draw twice if i only want it on a canvas? im trying to understand this
# [16:15] <JakeA> Move it offscreen using CSS
# [16:15] <buht> JakeA: ok, will that still cause it to use CPU when its being played on the canvas
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# [16:15] <JakeA> https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/blob/master/css/style.css#L254
# [16:16] <buht> JakeA: or do the browsers only use CPU for data in the viewable window?
# [16:17] <JakeA> Ahh I see, have a look into https://developer.mozilla.org/en/DOM/window.requestAnimationFrame
# [16:17] <JakeA> Eg, if you don't get an animation frame for a second, you can decide to pause the video
# [16:18] <buht> ummm..
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# [16:18] <JakeA> You won't get animation frames if the tab doesn't have focus (I think), some browsers let you specify an element that has to be visible
# [16:18] <buht> im just talking about video.play and canvas.drawimage
# [16:18] <JakeA> Yes, but I imagine you're calling drawimage via setInterval?
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# [16:19] <JakeA> Unless you're only rendering one frame of the video?
# [16:19] <buht> JakeA: well not yet, but ill be using that or ranimframte once i figure out how the hell to disable the video form loading because im loading it in the canvas
# [16:20] <buht> just trying to understand why there is not a method to use a video tag without it displaying, but allowing it to be used in a canvas and be displayed there
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# [16:22] <JakeA> Is display:none not working for you?
# [16:23] <JakeA> That's what I'm doing here http://jakearchibald.com/scratch/alphavid/
# [16:23] <buht> in my original statement, display none will hide the video, but then it wont render in the canvas
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# [16:24] <JakeA> I guess there's an additional reason that's not working, as it's working fine on http://jakearchibald.com/scratch/alphavid/
# [16:24] <buht> lemme check yours out, 1 sec
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# [16:27] <buht> JakeA: hmmm, only diff with mine is i am dynamically adding sources to the video in js
# [16:28] <buht> and setting display to none in css
# [16:29] <JakeA> Don't think it'd be the css vs inline style thing. Perhaps the dynamic sources are the problem. Not done that personally, so not sure
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# [16:31] <buht> JakeA: odd thing is when i take out the style="display:none" in the video element... it shows my canvas video.
# [16:31] <buht> JakeA: and when i put it back, my canvas video does not show
# [16:31] <JakeA> Are you experiencing that in both Firefox and Chrome/Safari?
# [16:31] <JakeA> It could be a browser quirk
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# [16:33] <buht> chrome. and i viewed urs in chrome and urs is fine it seems
# [16:33] <JakeA> What does firefox do with your example?
# [16:33] <JakeA> Basically, if it's happening in Firefox in Chrome, it's likely the html5 spec holds the key, otherwise it's a browser quirk you have to hack your way around
# [16:34] <JakeA> Firefox & Chrome, I mean
# [16:34] <buht> JakeA: firefox does same as chrome
# [16:34] <buht> just tested
# [16:35] <JakeA> It's likely the spec might hold the answer then. Have a look what it says about initialising video as sources are added/changed
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# [16:46] <buht> JakeA: still trying to figure it out, reading more but did this last night too
# [16:48] <JakeA> Are you calling http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/the-video-element.html#dom-media-load after adding sources?
# [16:48] <buht> was reading that to. tried that no diff.
# [16:48] <buht> .load();
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# [16:48] <JakeA> What about a quick blast of play() then pause()?
# [16:49] <buht> 1 sec.
# [16:49] <JakeA> maybe even in a setTimeout(blah, 0)
# [16:50] <buht> no luck
# [16:50] <buht> lemme paste my code pieces
# [16:53] <buht> JakeA: http://jsfiddle.net/4nWYT/
# [16:54] <buht> try to ignore repeated things like getelementbyid, i kept trying diff stuff to get this to work and itsleft that way
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# [16:55] <buht> JakeA: http://jsfiddle.net/4nWYT/1/ - moved the canvas draw back to the bottom where it was originally
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# [16:59] <buht> JakeA: brb.
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# [17:11] <buht> JakeA: any ideas?
# [17:11] <JakeA> Sorry, I've had to get on with some work :( Can anyone else take a look?
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# [17:15] <buht> JakeA: ok, thx for helping while u could.
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# [17:18] <buht> JakeA: just noticed a context.drawImage(videoElement,0,0); works.. but when i supply the 4th and 5th arguments of width and height it doesnt work
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# [17:27] <divya> JakeA: do you know anyone in BBC Music I could contact about Opera bugs?
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# [17:31] <JakeA> Good question, the BBC gets reorg'd every 2 hours, I'll see who's ended up where...
# [17:32] <divya> hahaah
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# [17:36] <JakeA> divya: Give https://twitter.com/#!/dexterperrin a buzz
# [17:36] <socialhapy> ★ Tweet from dexterperrin: someone was mugged outside my house at 6pm.. perhaps if it wasn't dark so god damn early we'd be safer #puttheclocksforward ★ http://bit.ly/vHahLU
# [17:36] <divya> thank you sooo much JakeA!!!
# [17:36] <JakeA> Thanks socialhapy, that was really helpful
# [17:36] <divya> :))
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# [20:12] <JonathanNeal> yoda!
# [20:13] <JonathanNeal> I mean, hi
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# [20:13] <JonathanNeal> Kind of a fun thing, I was using geolocation with the google maps api and the google text-to-speech api. You can make a turn-by-turn webpage that works on desktop, tablet, and handheld device.
# [20:14] <JonathanNeal> That's kind of nifty about HTML5, even though I haven't seen many websites doing this.
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# [20:35] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: did you put it online?
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# [20:44] <dilvie> hi Paul - did you see I added a tiny test suite to h5Validate?
# [20:45] <paul_irish> saw yes
# [20:47] <dilvie> paul_irish: Had a little time to work on it this week. right now I'm expanding the test suite to cover support for new element types. When I initially wrote h5Validate, some browsers had some quirky bugs with the new input types, but I expect most of those have been ironed out now, so it seems like a good time to make sure they're all treated correctly.
# [20:47] <paul_irish> nice
# [20:48] <dilvie> paul_irish: among other things, I'm thinking I can shim older versions of IE to automatically use the validation we supply for the new element types. My question is, should I fall back to native browser validation if they support it? It seems different browsers have different ideas of what a valid email is, etc...
# [20:50] <paul_irish> yes if there is native support then your script should always defer to it
# [20:50] <paul_irish> if there is inconsistentcy then we need either browser tickets filed or spec bugs made
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# [20:52] <dilvie> paul_irish: This script was designed to be used in production environments. I can't just let validation break on some browsers while we wait for the opera to fix broken validation, for example. =)
# [20:52] <paul_irish> is it broken?
# [20:53] <paul_irish> can you make a testcase showing its brokenness?
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# [20:53] <divya> dilvie: what is broken?
# [20:53] <dilvie> paul_irish: not so much broken as inconsistent. I'm writing test cases right now.
# [20:54] <paul_irish> dilvie: (my general point is that "waiting to fix" usually doesnt work. you gotta tell em whats up)
# [20:54] <paul_irish> luckily we have 4/5 browser vendors represented in this room
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# [20:56] <dilvie> Nice.
# [20:56] <dilvie> Are there existing test cases for the input validations that are utilized by the browser makers?
# [20:57] <dilvie> Maybe I can suggest some test additions there.
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# [20:57] <paul_irish> I LIKE THIS QUESTION
# [20:58] <dilvie> makes sense that we should all be developing against the same set of tests, right? ;)
# [20:59] <paul_irish> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing
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# [21:00] <paul_irish> no existing forms tests there.....
# [21:04] * paul_irish is looking in http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/LayoutTests ....
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# [21:05] <paul_irish> dilvie: http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/LayoutTests/fast/forms/script-tests
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# [21:14] <dilvie> paul_irish: I don't see any email tests. );
# [21:14] <dilvie> Am I missing something?
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# [21:16] <paul_irish> dilvie: http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/LayoutTests/fast/forms/resources/ValidityState-typeMismatch-email.js
# [21:16] <dilvie> Found them.
# [21:16] <dilvie> http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/LayoutTests/fast/forms/resources/ValidityState-typeMismatch-email.js
# [21:16] <paul_irish> \o/
# [21:16] <dilvie> lol
# [21:16] <dilvie> thanks!
# [21:17] <dilvie> is it ok to blatantly rip off these test cases for my own test suite? =)
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# [21:17] <dilvie> what license covers the tests?
# [21:18] <paul_irish> either LGPL or BSD
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# [21:18] <Pomax> https://github.com/juuso/BozoCrack#readme is both hilarious and sad
# [21:18] <paul_irish> shrug
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# [21:30] <drublic> Pomax: I'm not into ruby… what is it doing other than using google and comparing if google returns the right value? https://github.com/juuso/BozoCrack/blob/master/bozocrack.rb#L38
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# [21:35] <Pomax> absolutely nothing. that's all it does.
# [21:35] <Pomax> and thanks to the various sites on teh interwebs that catalogue common password MD5 prints, it way more successful than people realise.
# [21:35] <Pomax> *it's
# [21:36] <drublic> Pomax: bad stuff
# [21:36] <Pomax> hell, I just googled one of the hashes they list.
# [21:36] <Pomax> google result 8?
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# [21:37] <Pomax> a hacked website that lists all its admin users with name, email, passhash and hash-resolving strings
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# [21:37] <Pomax> and I'm not even trying to compromise a website O_o
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# [21:38] <jhchawk> whatsup HTMl5
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# [21:40] <jhchawk> I have question about html5 validation: I'm using ColorBox(http://jacklmoore.com/colorbox/) and I'm getting a validation error on the "rel" tag
# [21:40] <jhchawk> Line 74, Column 49: Bad value webdesign for attribute rel on element a: Keyword webdesign is not registered.
# [21:40] <jhchawk> Syntax of link type valid for <a> and <area>:
# [21:40] <jhchawk> A whitespace-separated list of link types listed as allowed on <a> and <area> in the HTML specification or listed as an allowed on <a> and <area> on the Microformats wiki without duplicate keywords in the list. You can register link types on the Microformats wiki yourself.
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# [21:41] <tantek> jhchawk rel="webdesign" is undefined
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# [21:41] <jhchawk> Colorbox uses rel to link between groups of images, so i guess it's just inherently flawed for html5
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# [21:44] <jhchawk> huh, but then validating his use of it on his examples passes
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# [21:45] <Pomax> "rel" indicates the relation between the current document, and the thing the <link> points to
# [21:45] <jhchawk> view-source:http://jacklmoore.com/colorbox/example1/
# [21:45] <Pomax> not quite sure what "website" would even mean given that semantic interpretation
# [21:46] <Pomax> *webdesign
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# [21:46] <jhchawk> The jQuery plugin uses it to group images together in a lightbox. He uses rel="group1", rel="group2"
# [21:46] <Pomax> I also don't see rel="webdesign" in the source you linked?
# [21:46] <jhchawk> so why does his usage pass?
# [21:46] <Pomax> the only instance of rel="..." that I see in the plain source is for the stylesheet
# [21:47] <jhchawk> wait…. i may have made a huge mistake, give me a sec
# [21:48] <Pomax> sure thing =)
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# [21:50] <Pomax> (the jquery plugin "ref:..." is a javascript object property, btw, not an HTML element attribute)
# [21:50] <Pomax> *rel:...
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# [21:51] <jhchawk> HA! found it. dumb stuff
# [21:52] <jhchawk> was supposed to be using class="webdesign", not del="web design", and then I needed to declare that: $(".webdesign").colorbox({rel:'webdesign', width:"50%", inline:true, href:"#web_design"});
# [21:52] <Pomax> heh
# [21:52] <Pomax> that'll do it
# [21:52] <jhchawk> yuup
# [21:52] <jhchawk> I've done a lot of print/digital design, now dipping my toes into web design
# [21:52] <jhchawk> www.designbyhawk.com
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# [21:53] <jhchawk> still under construction obv.
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# [21:53] <jhchawk> i went from a <div /> to a <div></div> and it messed up my menubar spacing. fixing that now
# [21:53] <Pomax> nice and clean, although the scroll stutters even on an i7 950...
# [21:53] <Pomax> pretty graphics heavy?
# [21:54] <jhchawk> I tried to make it as light as possible, the background maybe? I haven't had it stutter really
# [21:54] <jhchawk> I'm on an i5 mbp
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# [21:56] <Pomax> could just be jquery event handling. although profiling shows that's only 0.01%
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# [21:57] <Pomax> heh. on an unconscious user level, incidentally, people who play Just Cause 2 may click with your site more than intended =)
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# [21:58] <Pomax> (the mountain shot, with the mozaic effect at the bottom, looks a lot like the Just Cause 2 mountain range + sub-treeline forest that you see from one of the starting checkpoints)
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# [22:01] <jhchawk> fucking LOOOOVVVEEEE that game
# [22:01] <jhchawk> holy shit
# [22:01] <jhchawk> is there anything more fun than grabbing a jet, and popping out to stand on top going like mach2?
# [22:01] <jhchawk> the physics in that game are fun
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# [22:05] <Pomax> I'm still playing it.
# [22:06] <Pomax> needs more story, but even without it you can waste days just physicsing it up. or even just driving an ATV vertically up a forested mountain side to see how high you can get
# [22:06] <jhchawk> yup. still playing it too, but i just got so MW3 so that is going to get cut back
# [22:07] <jhchawk> the story could have been fleshed out more, but that level with ninjas…. haha. My WTF face got put on
# [22:07] <Pomax> I have the benefit of really not caring in the slightest about cover-based shooters and war FPS. So when a self-proclaimed "most anticipated game ever" comes along in that genre, I'm safe =D
# [22:07] <Pomax> heh, yes the ninjas were fun.
# [22:08] <jhchawk> fair enough. It's not more than a glorified map pack on the multiplayer front
# [22:08] <Pomax> I was just hoping they'd come up with an underwater base level, and a minisub.
# [22:08] <jhchawk> But the story is fantastic. Mw1->mw2->mw3
# [22:08] <jhchawk> yeah
# [22:08] <jhchawk> it's like an interactive movie
# [22:08] <Pomax> pretty much
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# [22:08] <Pomax> one that goes "explosions are cool. make them happen."
# [22:08] <Pomax> yes sir!
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# [22:14] <jhchawk> haha
# [22:14] <jhchawk> I really do get immersed in the story. The final gameplay scene of MW2 was literally one of the most adrenaline filled moments I've had in gaming
# [22:15] <jhchawk> rivals 20/40 man raids back when I played WoW and we'd hit the last boss of a raid
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# [22:27] <Pomax> I remember when WoW came out, and a friend was playing it, and all I could see was ridiculously scaled textures, sprite graphics for foliage, phong shading that makde grass look like rubber, and elastic banding during combat. Then decided never to play it
# [22:28] <jhchawk> pretty much
# [22:29] <jhchawk> the graphics suck
# [22:29] <jhchawk> but, BIG BUT
# [22:29] <jhchawk> they suck because blizzard focused on the gameplay first and foremost (really, exclusively)
# [22:29] <jhchawk> I stopped playing right before wrath of the lich king, but goddamn that game sucked you in
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# [22:37] <jhchawk> hey so I'm trying to do an active pseudo class so that whatever page you are on, the link is the same teal color as the line in the menu
# [22:37] <jhchawk> it's not working… I'm thinking the jQuery hover animation may be effecting it?
# [22:49] <Pomax> fire up the dev tools and look at which classes it's getting its styling from.
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# [23:01] <jhchawk> annnnd this is why I'm a noob
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# [23:13] <jhchawk> wtf, this is annoying as hell
# [23:16] <grantg> ?
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# [23:18] <paul_irish> totes noob
# [23:19] <grantg> ??
# [23:19] <paul_irish> jhchawk: i get the feeling you dont understand what :active really means
# [23:19] <paul_irish> sup grantg
# [23:19] <grantg> oh hey
# [23:19] <jhchawk> paul_irish: very, very likely
# [23:19] <jhchawk> it's my understanding that active means the url you are currently at
# [23:19] <paul_irish> jhchawk: if you're viewing omg.html#sohot
# [23:19] <grantg> Gonna fix that 45-second load on http://grantgalitz.org/sound_test/ by breaking up the data files soon. :O
# [23:20] <paul_irish> then your div with an id of "sohot" will be your :active element
# [23:20] <grantg> so it can download the rest of the song while plyaing
# [23:20] <grantg> *playing
# [23:20] <jhchawk> oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh
# [23:20] <jhchawk> ok ok
# [23:20] <paul_irish> grantg: baller
# [23:20] <jhchawk> so then what is the standard method for highlighting menu elements depending on the page you're on?
# [23:21] <divya> grantg: image-resampling is now in opera just wanted to let you know :P
# [23:21] <paul_irish> \o/
# [23:21] <grantg> paul_irish: Chrome doesn't like the page when the canvas is fullscreen
# [23:21] <paul_irish> divya: can you add that to the mdn page
# [23:21] <grantg> divya: eh?
# [23:21] <divya> image-rendering: -o-crisp-edges; grantg
# [23:21] <divya> g mdn image-rendering
# [23:21] <grantg> nice
# [23:21] <divya> err
# [23:21] <divya> ?g mdn image-rendering
# [23:21] <bot-t> divya, image-rendering - MDN - https://developer.mozilla.org/En/CSS/Image-rendering
# [23:23] <paul_irish> in that compat box
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# [23:24] <grantg> divya: Now have opera implement its own version of moz audio. :P
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# [23:24] <grantg> heh
# [23:24] <divya> grantg: well we are looking into audio
# [23:24] <divya> thats all i can say :P
# [23:25] <grantg> http://grantgalitz.org/sound_test/ has to use my fallback swf for outputting the samples.
# [23:25] <grantg> while firefox / chrome don't
# [23:25] <cgcardona> looking into audio http://goo.gl/GA22A
# [23:25] <grantg> lol
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# [23:28] <grantg> paul_irish: I'm wondering why chrome is running the canvas so slow there. :/
# [23:28] <grantg> Firefox 3.6 is faster than chrome there
# [23:29] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish: something like this? http://sandbox.thewikies.com/how-do-i-get-there/
# [23:30] <jhchawk> paul_irish: hey so what is the standard way to highlight your page links?
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# [23:30] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: cool
# [23:31] <paul_irish> jhchawk: "highlight"?
# [23:31] <paul_irish> grantg: slow where
# [23:31] <jhchawk> paul_irish sorry, how to: when your on a page, the menu link to that page is a different color than the rest of the links
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# [23:32] <grantg> when http://grantgalitz.org/sound_test/ runs in chrome, chrome can't keep up once the thing starts
# [23:32] <grantg> takes awhile to load before the visualizer boots.
# [23:32] <paul_irish> jhchawk: people rely on CMSs to handle that.
# [23:32] <paul_irish> etc
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# [23:32] <jhchawk> fair enough
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# [23:33] <jhchawk> I feel like it should be trivially easy
# [23:35] <grantg> ugh, had to open http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=103812
# [23:36] <jhchawk> ok so easiest fix: literally just change the color in css for each page, no interactivity needed
# [23:36] <jhchawk> it's only a 3,4 page site
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# [23:39] <paul_irish> grantg: where is it being slow? 2d canvas perf?
# [23:39] <grantg> yeah
# [23:39] <grantg> the slow canvas perf gaps out the audio on the demo
# [23:39] <grantg> only in chrome it seems
# [23:39] <grantg> and firefox 3.0 and below. xD
# [23:40] <paul_irish> you using timeupdate ?
# [23:40] <grantg> when you make the window a bit large, chrome gets too slow
# [23:40] <devOlsen> hola paul
# [23:40] <grantg> paul_irish: Wouldn't make the difference
# [23:40] <grantg> chrome takes too long for the canvas op when ever it occurs
# [23:40] <paul_irish> timeupdate would be the wrong thing to use
# [23:40] <paul_irish> this rAF code is funky shit
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# [23:41] <grantg> blocking the audio callback for too long screws up the audio
# [23:41] <paul_irish> iunno im looking at the profiler and its not like this is slamming CPU or anything
# [23:41] <grantg> which is what chrome is doing
# [23:41] <grantg> paul_irish: Didn't start yet?
# [23:41] <paul_irish> after it started
# [23:41] <grantg> did you make the screen large?
# [23:41] <paul_irish> you shouldnt go through a try/catch on every frame
# [23:42] <grantg> Only happens when the chrome tab gets too big
# [23:42] <paul_irish> that's insante
# [23:42] <paul_irish> -t
# [23:42] <grantg> I don't
# [23:42] <grantg> That's only for intialization
# [23:42] <grantg> the audio callback then goes onto its own
# [23:42] <grantg> the try / catch is for v-blank support only
# [23:42] <paul_irish> setinterval calls requestVBlank every 20ms which goes through a try/catch fall sequence
# [23:43] <grantg> yeah, and then we request an animation frame
# [23:43] <grantg> and if that's supported, the browser then dispatches that event
# [23:44] <paul_irish> so
# [23:44] <grantg> and calls my audio lib
# [23:44] <paul_irish> so instead of this
# [23:44] <grantg> which calls audioCheck
# [23:44] <grantg> The slowness isn't in the try/catch
# [23:44] <grantg> It's drawSamples
# [23:44] <jhchawk> paul_irish: Got it, thanks for the help
# [23:45] <grantg> paul_irish: Though less is more. :)
# [23:45] <grantg> Should be cleaned up of trys anyhow
# [23:45] <paul_irish> grantg: you shoudl grab the code out of the middle of http://paulirish.com/2011/requestanimationframe-for-smart-animating/
# [23:46] <paul_irish> or do something just like that.
# [23:46] <grantg> I do that with trys :P
# [23:46] <paul_irish> that's wasteful and induces vomiting
# [23:46] <grantg> xD
# [23:46] <paul_irish> and you should not using a setInterval(x,20) to hit rAF
# [23:47] <paul_irish> 3.6 didnt have rAF which is why its smoother than anything wtih it
# [23:47] <paul_irish> because there is no scheduling of animation frames
# [23:48] <grantg> I need to call setInterval
# [23:48] <grantg> that's by design
# [23:48] <paul_irish> gist incoming
# [23:49] <grantg> then v-blank requests are called by it
# [23:49] <grantg> rather than in the v-blank function
# [23:50] <grantg> Since the setInterval is used to call the underun checks once every 20 ms
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# [23:50] <paul_irish> https://gist.github.com/cfdb557a27c2c46290cc
# [23:50] <grantg> rather than spamming it at random intervals inside v-blank
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# [23:50] <paul_irish> if you need the precision of setInterval then you cannot use rAF
# [23:54] <grantg> :/
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# [23:59] <grantg> changed it to call new vblank requests inside v-blank.
# [23:59] <grantg> chrome is worse now
# [23:59] <grantg> :S
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