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  1. # Session Start: Sun Nov 13 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [00:00] <grantg> :P
  4. # [00:00] <Pomax> distibuted knowledge is a wonderful thing
  5. # [00:00] <Velmont> grantg: How do I provoke the fault?
  6. # [00:00] <grantg> Once running a game, hit your escape key to go into fullscreen
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  8. # [00:01] <grantg> then **slowly** resize opera only vertically
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  10. # [00:01] <grantg> horizonatal resizes update fixed positioning in opera
  11. # [00:01] <grantg> *horizontal
  12. # [00:01] <grantg> But not vertical under certain circumstances
  13. # [00:01] <Velmont> Hmm. Is there a game URL a place?
  14. # [00:02] <grantg> http://www.grantgalitz.org/romStorage/PokemonCrystal.gbc
  15. # [00:02] <grantg> dl that then run it inside the emulator
  16. # [00:02] <grantg> :|
  17. # [00:03] <Pomax> after promising that it's used for testing purposes only and will be deleted afterwards, of course.
  18. # [00:03] <grantg> LOL
  19. # [00:03] <Pomax> purely because it's good form.
  20. # [00:03] <grantg> I keep those files up for http://www.grantgalitz.org/gamecenter/
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  23. # [00:04] <Velmont> grantg: Ah. OK, I see. I'll see if I can make a reduced TC.
  24. # [00:05] <grantg> reduced test case: have an image spread out completely via fixed positioning
  25. # [00:05] <grantg> then slowly resize opera only vertically
  26. # [00:05] <grantg> That's it
  27. # [00:05] <Velmont> grantg: OK, -- that was what I was going to try first, so nice :]
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  29. # [00:05] <Velmont> Then I can just do it/tm)
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  32. # [00:07] <grantg> I love how Firefox glitches on /gamecenter/ after visiting /gameboy/
  33. # [00:07] <grantg> because /gameboy/ has a manifest file
  34. # [00:07] <grantg> and firefox screws up internally
  35. # [00:07] <grantg> when re-using the files elsewhere
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  37. # [00:07] <grantg> clearing the browser cache fixes that
  38. # [00:08] <Pomax> what's the current way to JS-detect Safari, with it relying on webkit?
  39. # [00:08] <grantg> as in firefox won't load the games in the dropdown
  40. # [00:09] <grantg> Pomax: Detect some js api specific to webkit
  41. # [00:09] <grantg> or css prop
  42. # [00:09] <Pomax> Chrome also uses webkit, so that's a no-go
  43. # [00:09] <grantg> heh
  44. # [00:09] <grantg> user-agent sniff at the worst. :P
  45. # [00:09] <Pomax> Safari, but not Chrome, is rendering an inline table-row-group table-row's text completely wrong.
  46. # [00:10] <Pomax> yeah it looks like I'm going to have to
  47. # [00:10] <grantg> lol
  48. # [00:10] <grantg> sniff the webkit version
  49. # [00:10] <Pomax> the fix is just "set misrendering row to position:absolute, wait for the page to apply it, then set back to position:relative or :static and it works fine"
  50. # [00:10] <grantg> since that bug might be specific to safari's specific version of webkit
  51. # [00:11] <Pomax> that's one thing I do like about opera
  52. # [00:11] <grantg> true
  53. # [00:11] <Pomax> they had the decency to add window.opera because it does nothing, but it means that IF there's a bug they don't immediately fix, you can get around it
  54. # [00:11] <grantg> also Opera's user agent
  55. # [00:11] <grantg> no moz bullshit
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  58. # [00:20] <Pomax> let's see if the rotation error on my page is already fixed in 11.60b...
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  61. # [00:21] <Pomax> no... in fact 11.60 seems to have forgotten what "opacity" means
  62. # [00:21] <Pomax> nice job, Opera
  63. # [00:21] <Pomax> Velmont, how's your bug-fu for beta versions
  64. # [00:21] <Pomax> is there already a bug report for that?
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  66. # [00:21] <Velmont> I'm glad I'm not in layout. :-)
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  69. # [00:22] <Pomax> CSS. if only there was a reference implementation everyone could work off of =P
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  71. # [00:23] <Pomax> but usually you try not to regress as far as 11.60 is apparently doing, going from understanding opacity to just forgetting it entirely
  72. # [00:24] <Velmont> Wow. Well. My searching is very bad. But regressions is not good.
  73. # [00:25] <Pomax> if you have 11.60, give http://what.inthefuck.com/test a go. The rotations work, unlike in 11.50, but apparently opacity!=1 overlying another opacity!=1 element means "make everything visible" =)
  74. # [00:25] <Pomax> *overlapping
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  77. # [00:27] <Velmont> Pomax: Will look at it when I'm back at work. Sent myself an email now. -- It's late here now, I have to go to bed :-)
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  79. # [00:27] <Pomax> then a good night to you!
  80. # [00:27] <Pomax> and some coffee for me
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  98. # [00:58] <mathi> I use the application cache, whenever my cache manifest changes, my CSS is not downloaded ... and I keep having the old version of the CSS
  99. # [00:59] <mathi> though it is listed under CACHE:
  100. # [01:02] <mathi> mmm is it possible that the manifest file itself is cached ? :)
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  174. # [05:03] <buht> hello, i have a canvas1 that is absolute, and a canvas2 that is relative... now i want a canvas3 which i thought would be relative... that i want to temporarily lay over the absolute canvas1, but under the canvas2... is that possible?
  175. # [05:04] <buht> to stack would be canvas1 under canvas3 under canvas2 in my example. but the main question is, can u have 3 canvases stacked?
  176. # [05:05] <buht> i need to temporarily highlight an area on my absolute canvas, then when i turn something off, that temporary display of the area will just go away
  177. # [05:06] <buht> ive been trying various combinations of absolute and relative.
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  213. # [06:54] <yamahaalex37> can i make a link invisible but still clickable?
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  215. # [06:55] <dpogue> color: transparent (won't work in older IEs though)
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  217. # [06:56] <yamahaalex37> there is an image in the <span>
  218. # [06:56] <yamahaalex37> but i cant edit the html, just the css
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  224. # [07:39] <Pomax> yamahaalex: opacity: 0?
  225. # [07:39] <Pomax> not sure how well that works in older IEs though
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  230. # [08:04] <yamahaalex> oops
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  326. # [13:31] <jarek> do you know what percentage of sites with HTML5 doctype are using XHTML?
  327. # [13:32] <jarek> I can't find any stats on that
  328. # [13:33] <jarek> considering the fact that SVG and MathML can be now embedded without namespaces, is XHTML dead?
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  345. # [14:13] <drublic> hey! i want to change the size of some divs like a zoomer. if i have like 500 divs this is big performace issue. is there any way to make it better? http://jsfiddle.net/drublic/gzfTA/ and especially here http://jsfiddle.net/drublic/gzfTA/embedded/result/ (hit the + button and wait, wait, wait)
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  1007. # [18:53] <Jayflux> paul_irish I'm having some weird problems with dev tools, when i hit enter after adding a style nothing happens and it doesnt add it.
  1008. # [18:53] <Jayflux> only started happening recently
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  1014. # [18:55] <Jayflux> I think this is a bug of some sort (checking chomium issues), i may have to temporarily use firebug :(
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  1039. # [20:08] <Hoppertje> does anyone have any experience with drawImage( ) ?
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  1043. # [20:37] <Pomax> hm, looks like Chrome's still suffering from the "if loaded from file:// CSSStyleSheet objects don't actually contain the stylesheet data"
  1044. # [20:37] <Pomax> .cssRules and .rules are both null
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  1046. # [20:41] <Pomax> hm, longrunning bug. http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=45786
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  1067. # [21:59] <Jayflux> dev tools is being seriously weird with me, it won't allow me to edit current styles
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  1074. # [22:07] <Pomax> which version?
  1075. # [22:07] <Pomax> I can manipulate styles in Chrome 15 on win7
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  1077. # [22:08] <Jayflux> Pomax Google Chrome 15.0.874 on win 7 (dev channel)
  1078. # [22:09] <Jayflux> when i edit a style i hit enter and it doesnt add it in
  1079. # [22:09] <Jayflux> also if i remove a style once i hit enter or click off it comes back
  1080. # [22:09] <Jayflux> if i add a new style clicking the cross it works fine, but if i edit a property thats already there it won't work
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  1082. # [22:10] <Pomax> hmm, isn't 15.0.874.120 is the current public stable?
  1083. # [22:10] <Pomax> that's the version I get when I hit "about Chrome"
  1084. # [22:11] <Jayflux> yes i could be on release channel actually
  1085. # [22:11] <Pomax> I hit up "inspect element", double click somewhere in "element style", start typing, and it applies it as I type. If I hit enter, it commits the string I typed
  1086. # [22:12] <Jayflux> Pomax its only happening on this 1 website atm
  1087. # [22:12] <Pomax> which one's that?
  1088. # [22:12] <Jayflux> its working fine on all the other tabs
  1089. # [22:12] <Jayflux> http://viewnowtv.co.uk/cms/
  1090. # [22:13] <Pomax> no, that's not giving me any problems I'm afraid.
  1091. # [22:13] <Pomax> all elements, or just specific ones?
  1092. # [22:13] <Jayflux> all
  1093. # [22:13] <Jayflux> is there some video streaming software so i could show you?
  1094. # [22:13] <Jayflux> its happened before but ive just ignored it and used firebug
  1095. # [22:13] <Jayflux> but its happening more and more now
  1096. # [22:14] <Jayflux> weirdly only happens on certain tabs
  1097. # [22:14] <Pomax> I'd recommend reinstalling Chrome, first.
  1098. # [22:14] <Pomax> not inconceivable that something got messed up
  1099. # [22:14] <Jayflux> ok ill give that a try first
  1100. # [22:15] <Pomax> just make sure to reinstall, not "install on top"
  1101. # [22:15] <Jayflux> yeah ill uninstall and reinstall
  1102. # [22:15] <Pomax> ohohoho
  1103. # [22:15] <Jayflux> ?
  1104. # [22:15] <Pomax> yeah after uninstalling you'll want to then ACTUALLY (re)move chrome's data
  1105. # [22:16] <Jayflux> i can't remember where thats located
  1106. # [22:16] <Pomax> users/yourusername/appdata/local/google/chrome
  1107. # [22:16] <Jayflux> right give me 2 mins
  1108. # [22:17] <Pomax> google takes a few too many liberties on windows, really. the "oh we'll just add google update to your windows scheduler" and "oh, install doesn't actually remove everything" and "oh, we'll just keep all those old Chrome installers, even though we don't let you RUN older versions if you don't block updating" can be a bit irking at times.
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  1115. # [22:36] <Jayflux> Pomax just reinstalled same problem
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  1117. # [22:36] <Jayflux> still doing it
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  1125. # [22:46] <Pomax> very odd
  1126. # [22:46] <Pomax> and it's the normal release version?
  1127. # [22:46] <Jayflux> yep
  1128. # [22:46] <Pomax> and about:plugins does not list strange extensions?
  1129. # [22:47] <Jayflux> nope
  1130. # [22:48] <Pomax> that is very strange. bug filing time?
  1131. # [22:48] <Jayflux> it looks like it
  1132. # [22:48] <Jayflux> its just hard to post a ticket when its so hard to prove
  1133. # [22:50] <Jayflux> seeing as its working with you and you're on the same OS and chrome version
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  1137. # [22:55] <Pomax> yeah
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  1139. # [22:58] <Jayflux> its really annoying as i can't change the hsl values of my colours :(
  1140. # [22:58] <Jayflux> grr
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  1142. # [23:05] <Pomax> odd question = can you change other properties?
  1143. # [23:05] <Pomax> like "font-size: 200%<enter>"?
  1144. # [23:06] <Pomax> hm. are CSSStyleSheet objects protected?
  1145. # [23:06] <Pomax> I can't seem to stick something onto the prototype without adding it, then console logging the resulting object.
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  1149. # [23:13] <Jayflux> Pomax if i click the cross and make a new style rule it works fine in there
  1150. # [23:14] <Jayflux> its just when i try to edit styles which are already there
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  1152. # [23:14] <Jayflux> I can't change any properties which are already there
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  1154. # [23:15] <Pomax> ahhhh
  1155. # [23:15] <Pomax> you don't.
  1156. # [23:15] <Pomax> you don't change defined values, you override them
  1157. # [23:16] <Jayflux> Pomax but i can on other websites, im not talking about computed styles btw im talking about styles in the css
  1158. # [23:16] <Pomax> although double clicking on defined values lets me change them, let's see what happens on that page
  1159. # [23:16] <Jayflux> Pomax weirdly its only happening on that site lol
  1160. # [23:16] <Jayflux> i can go on others and change styles easily
  1161. # [23:17] <Pomax> cool
  1162. # [23:17] <Jayflux> bizzarre problem
  1163. # [23:17] <Pomax> that site seems to have something in place that's prohibiting style changes
  1164. # [23:17] <Jayflux> Pomax i made the site lol
  1165. # [23:17] <Jayflux> and i havent put anything like that in
  1166. # [23:18] <Jayflux> Pomax is it working for you?
  1167. # [23:18] <Pomax> I can add rules in element.style, but not redeclare existing css
  1168. # [23:18] <Pomax> indeed, only for that site
  1169. # [23:18] <Jayflux> hmm then this problem isnt my browser but something with that site
  1170. # [23:19] <Jayflux> how weird
  1171. # [23:19] <Jayflux> where's paul_irish? lol
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  1173. # [23:20] <Jayflux> Pomax posssible bug?
  1174. # [23:20] <Pomax> wondering what joomla's doing
  1175. # [23:21] <Jayflux> hmm
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  1177. # [23:23] <Pomax> should be worth filing
  1178. # [23:23] <Jayflux> Pomax yeah looks like a bug somewhere, I'll create a ticket
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  1193. # [23:48] <Jayflux> Pomax is this just a windows issue?
  1194. # [23:50] <Jayflux> Pomax http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=104075&thanks=104075&ts=1321224303
  1195. # [23:52] <paul_irish> Jayflux: .
  1196. # [23:52] <Jayflux> paul_irish me and Pomax have found a weird problem with dev tools on one of my sites
  1197. # [23:52] <paul_irish> the enter thing?
  1198. # [23:52] <Jayflux> yeah
  1199. # [23:52] <Jayflux> seems to only do it on that web site
  1200. # [23:53] <paul_irish> just that one
  1201. # [23:53] <Jayflux> well.. no ive had it happen to me before a few times
  1202. # [23:53] <Jayflux> but ive just ignored it because i thought the problem was my browser or something
  1203. # [23:53] <paul_irish> consider it triaged
  1204. # [23:53] <paul_irish> thx for reporting :D
  1205. # [23:53] <Jayflux> it seems to do it on certain websites but not others
  1206. # [23:53] <Jayflux> heh thanks paul_irish
  1207. # [23:53] <Jayflux> :)
  1208. # [23:53] <paul_irish> totes
  1209. # [23:54] <Jayflux> you've seen my ticket post? http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=104075&thanks=104075&ts=1321224303
  1210. # [23:56] <paul_irish> Jayflux: click your link bro
  1211. # [23:56] <Jayflux> wicked :)
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