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  18. # [00:12] <addicted> hi
  19. # [00:12] <addicted> i need some help with a small simple project
  20. # [00:12] <addicted> already have the program done, but i have to chance the website it uses
  21. # [00:12] <addicted> basicly it takes a list of domains in a .txt and passes it throught the www.websiteoutlook.com
  22. # [00:12] <addicted> and it gets the value of the website in the list and its daily views
  23. # [00:12] <addicted> but now the websiteoutlook.com closed..
  24. # [00:12] <addicted> so i need someone to "update" the progrm to use alexa.com
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  50. # [00:28] <Pomax> chriseppstein: http://pomax.nihongoresources.com/pages/CSSmacros/
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  93. # [01:01] <paul_irish> http://widgets-gadgets.com/html5/code/main.js :)
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  100. # [01:10] <drublic> paul_irish: this is how you do it!! nice :))
  101. # [01:10] <paul_irish> modernizroutputboilerplate.com
  102. # [01:10] <paul_irish> you're welcome
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  107. # [01:11] <drublic> :D
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  112. # [01:16] <xonecas> o/
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  114. # [01:19] <Pomax> paul_irish: speed up by aggregating the string first, then as final step setting innerHTML?
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  116. # [01:23] <paul_irish> Pomax: i didn't write it. i was pasting it facetiously.
  117. # [01:23] <paul_irish> :p
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  124. # [01:36] <Pomax> icic
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  128. # [01:45] <Pomax> jquery support added to cssmacros... guess I should read up on mootools and prototype
  129. # [01:45] <plh_> Paul Irish live at http://www.w3.org/conf/live.html
  130. # [01:46] <divya> aww your excitement is palpable plh_
  131. # [01:46] <divya> :)))
  132. # [01:46] <drublic> plh_: he already tweeted this and now the page is 503
  133. # [01:46] <drublic> :D
  134. # [01:46] <plh_> :)
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  136. # [01:47] <xonecas> damn it.
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  140. # [01:48] <drublic> divya: you're at w3conf today?
  141. # [01:48] <drublic> ah yes… you were speaking…
  142. # [01:48] <plh_> she is drinking at the moment
  143. # [01:48] <drublic> :D
  144. # [01:48] <divya> drublic: ……
  145. # [01:48] <divya> hahahaha
  146. # [01:48] <plh_> trying to keep up
  147. # [01:48] <divya> I AM NOT
  148. # [01:48] <divya> plh_ LIES
  149. # [01:48] <plh_> :)
  150. # [01:48] * divya wishes she was
  151. # [01:49] <drublic> :))
  152. # [01:54] <drublic> any1 needs the stream? w3conf.org is offline for me. check http://www.sitepoint.com/w3c-html5-developers-and-designers-conference-live-streaming/
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  163. # [02:04] <OzDave_imac> I smell alcohol in here :P
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  167. # [02:08] <wonton> Anyone know of any open source html5 games?
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  169. # [02:08] <OzDave_imac> I bet google knows
  170. # [02:09] <OzDave_imac> http://badassjs.com/post/3200945950/limejs
  171. # [02:09] <OzDave_imac> http://gamequery.onaluf.org/
  172. # [02:09] <OzDave_imac> you might be looking for a purple bunyip however
  173. # [02:09] <OzDave_imac> or a holy grail
  174. # [02:10] <wonton> Nah, found the holy grail last week, I'm collecting a set. n.n As for the purple bunny's IP, I think she's unpingable...
  175. # [02:11] <Aric> i thought divya doesn't drink
  176. # [02:11] <Aric> surprise
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  178. # [02:11] <OzDave_imac> bunyips ;) mythical aboriginal australian folklore
  179. # [02:11] <OzDave_imac> http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=bunyips&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=680l1833l0l1970l7l7l0l0l0l0l373l1527l2-2.3l5l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1018&bih=544&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi
  180. # [02:11] <wonton> Gamequery is limited and performs poorly, regrettably. XD
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  182. # [02:11] <OzDave_imac> like drop bears but a much older tale
  183. # [02:12] <divya> Aric: really why did you think so?
  184. # [02:14] <wonton> I'm also thinking of trying google web toolkit. n.n
  185. # [02:14] <OzDave_imac> google had the o3d game system but when I tested it it was mash
  186. # [02:14] <OzDave_imac> I moved to unity3d after that test
  187. # [02:15] <OzDave_imac> http://code.google.com/apis/o3d/
  188. # [02:15] <Aric> divya: thought you said something on G+... plus i know a lot of indians and such that don't drink for religious reasons
  189. # [02:16] <Aric> some of the non muslim indians i know also do for some cultural reasons i guess, non religious/other etc
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  191. # [02:16] <divya> Aric: did I :o yeah religious people dont
  192. # [02:17] <OzDave_imac> alcohol is the religion in Australia :P
  193. # [02:17] <drublic> Aric: I'm going to india in january and I have to bring some alc to my friends over there because they are not able to buy it there :/
  194. # [02:18] <OzDave_imac> moses brought down two slabs from the bottleshop mountain
  195. # [02:19] <OzDave_imac> Ironically there is a news article about drinking at work
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  203. # [02:28] <Aric> drublic: i bet there's a lower % of fatal driving accidents too
  204. # [02:29] <drublic> Aric: I think so too!
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  449. # [10:21] <tsdh> Is the display property not supported in html5? When running my page thru the W3C validator, I get "Attribute display not allowed on element pre at this point.".
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  451. # [10:24] <Moo_O> tsdh: Try #whatwg channel if you have specification related questions
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  461. # [10:44] <tsdh> Moo_O: Got it myself. In html5, you use a <details> element for hiding/showing sub-elements instead of javascript manipulating display properties.
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  463. # [10:45] <tsdh> The only downside is, that except chromium no browser seems to support it currently.
  464. # [10:46] <tsdh> That is, FF8 or Epiphany or Safari always show the details and have no way to elide them...
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  508. # [12:39] <jarek> why event.target.tagName returns lowercase values in XHTML documents and uppercase values in HTML documents?
  509. # [12:41] <jarek> should I be always using event.target.tagName.toLowerCase() if I don't know whether my library will run inside HTML or XHTML?
  510. # [12:41] <jarek> or is there a more elegant way to check the tag name of element that was clicked?
  511. # [12:42] <JakeA> event.target.tagName.toLowerCase() is best
  512. # [12:43] <JakeA> In XHTML, tag names are case sensitive, in HTML they aren't
  513. # [12:43] <JakeA> I'm not sure why they're uppercased in HTML… I imagine it's something one browser did and the others copied for compatibility
  514. # [12:44] <jarek> back in the '90 it was common to write all tags in uppercase :/
  515. # [12:44] <JakeA> yeah, that's probably the root of it
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  569. # [14:25] <m1chael> http://www.vipautographs.com/upload/ # i'm messing with html5 upload with pictures... if i drag/drop or select many large files: it doesnt seem very efficient to upload everything all at once (or does it matter?) how would you guys go about creating some kind of que?
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  573. # [14:28] <Moo_O> m1chael: like this:
  574. # [14:28] <Moo_O> m1chael: http://pastie.org/2872212
  575. # [14:30] <m1chael> wow just like that, aye? =)
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  577. # [14:33] <Moo_O> m1chael: one by time
  578. # [14:34] <Moo_O> m1chael: jquery.upload orwhatever it is called offers throttle x files per time
  579. # [14:34] <Moo_O> but it's more complex
  580. # [14:34] <Moo_O> usually you can saturate the full bandwidth with just one file
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  632. # [15:12] <jetienne> any shim available for fullscreen api ?
  633. # [15:13] <Moo_O> <video> or general?
  634. # [15:13] <Moo_O> probably not...
  635. # [15:13] <jetienne> Moo_O: general one
  636. # [15:13] <jetienne> ok
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  638. # [15:14] <Moo_O> jetienne: I think support just landed FF nightly
  639. # [15:15] <Moo_O> so it is bleeding edge
  640. # [15:15] <jetienne> Moo_O: yep and it is in canari
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  650. # [15:30] <jetienne> Moo_O: do you run ff nightly ? is it ok to install on a computer, like running independantly from other version, like aurora ?
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  653. # [15:31] <AAA3> hello everyone
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  658. # [15:33] <Moo_O> jetienne: problematic
  659. # [15:34] <Moo_O> on OSX FF has one active profile for all FFs ones
  660. # [15:34] <Moo_O> linux etc. could be easier
  661. # [15:34] <jetienne> Moo_O: ok i will try. just added fullscreen api on chrome. i would like to do the job on fff
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  687. # [15:42] <jetienne> document.webkitIsFullScreen and document.mozFullScreen .... note the 'is' grumble
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  694. # [15:48] <jetienne> it works tho. chrome + ff nightly
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  743. # [16:13] <g105b> Just wondering what the best practice is for giving lists titles? Can a <header> exist in a <ul> ?
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  745. # [16:13] <JakeA> just put a <h1> above the <ul>
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  747. # [16:14] <JakeA> Same as you'd do for paragraphs, images, tables etc
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  751. # [16:18] <g105b> JakeA: ok thanks
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  754. # [16:19] <shawn_dones> target="_blank" good or bad? Discuss
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  761. # [16:21] <JakeA> Bad in almost all cases. The user should decide what happens on a click by click basis
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  765. # [16:22] <JakeA> Eg, I clicked a link on my phone this morning and it said "Too many pages open, close some first", now, Android is being pretty dickish here, but the point was I didn't want or need it to open in a new tab/window, but the page had decided I did
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  767. # [16:23] <JakeA> You might make an exception for an "App" such as Google reader. But even then I prefer to have control
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  789. # [16:37] <AAA3> love
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  823. # [17:00] <shawn_dones> xonecas: I was asking if it was good or bad in general. Should control be taken from the user
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  843. # [17:24] <xonecas> shawn_dones: as a user I hate when a link sends me elsewhere with no previous indication. a good rule would be to visually mark external links, and those open in new windows. its the expected behavior imho
  844. # [17:24] <xonecas> things to be careful with when using content editable?
  845. # [17:25] <shawn_dones> xonecas: Me too. Its my Project Manager who i have to convince
  846. # [17:25] <xonecas> shawn_dones: losing battle there lol. I have found that engineers and PM's don't think alike
  847. # [17:26] <shawn_dones> imho everyone especially PMs should understand user behavior
  848. # [17:26] <xonecas> so true :-)
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  935. # [19:00] <danielfilho> tantek: i'm afraid the url you posted about html5 demos (something related with torn) ir wrong, or down :(
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  967. # [19:31] <tantek> danielfilho - which browser?
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  969. # [19:31] <danielfilho> tantek: I use chrome, but they're unaccessible
  970. # [19:32] <danielfilho> the url must be wrong (http://dolddbapp02.starwave.com/tron/)
  971. # [19:32] <danielfilho> http://cl.ly/151B2i2M0f3P34043Z3h
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  973. # [19:33] <tantek> needs trailing slash
  974. # [19:33] <tantek> /
  975. # [19:33] <tantek> oops
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  984. # [19:41] <tantek> danielfilho - link fixed on my site
  985. # [19:41] <tantek> now of course I can't edit twitter :(
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  987. # [19:42] <danielfilho> thank you, tantek :)
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  994. # [19:49] <JonathanNeal> hiya
  995. # [19:49] <franksalim> hello
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  998. # [19:53] <shawn_dones> Yake
  999. # [19:55] <tw2113> http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/11/developer-tools-in-firefox-aurora-10/
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  1005. # [20:04] <Jon47> ooh
  1006. # [20:04] <Pomax> very nice
  1007. # [20:04] <Jon47> i haven't used FF as my primary browser in awhile but I remember the catch-22 of using it was that you needed Firebug for it to be useful, and Firebug also made it unusably slow, so hopefully having built-in tools not installed as an Add-on will go some ways towards addressing that (if it's even still an issue)
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  1021. # [20:14] <JonathanNeal> What is a "practice group team"?
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  1032. # [20:25] <paul_irish> this doesnt 404 does it? https://github.com/organizations/h5bp
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  1034. # [20:26] <franksalim> paul_irish: i get a login form
  1035. # [20:27] <franksalim> (not a 404)
  1036. # [20:27] <aQustic> redirects here https://github.com/login?return_to=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Forganizations%2Fh5bp
  1037. # [20:27] <paul_irish> are you logged into github already?
  1038. # [20:28] <franksalim> if i hit that URL when logged in to github, it redirects to github.com
  1039. # [20:28] <paul_irish> kk
  1040. # [20:28] <paul_irish> bummer. its a nice highlevel view of the proj
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  1043. # [20:34] <dilvie> d'oh
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  1046. # [20:41] <franksalim> this is very amusing to me: http://occupyhtml.org/
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  1050. # [20:43] <franksalim> somehow it isn't a parody
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  1056. # [20:48] <tw2113> probably tongue in cheek franksalim
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  1058. # [20:50] <franksalim> tw2113: oh sure, it has a sense of humor about it
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  1075. # [20:57] <franksalim> oh, there was an occupyflash.org, too. i'm out of the loop. i don't know what all is being occupied
  1076. # [20:57] <franksalim> #occupy_my_desk
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  1084. # [21:03] <Pomax> time to occupy some occupy.
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  1125. # [21:44] <kollapse> Hey. I have a problem here with Chrome. Apparently if I create an input with 100% width and 1px min-width inside a table cell, Chrome will still force its own min-width so that the end result is *not* an input that is exactly as large as the table cell.
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  1127. # [21:44] <kollapse> This does not occur in Opera or Firefox. What's the issue ?
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  1135. # [21:48] <Moo_O> kollapse: try https://duckduckgo.com/?q=webkit-appearance
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  1137. # [21:50] <Ludo237> Hello :D
  1138. # [21:50] <tobyx> hello everyone
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  1140. # [21:51] <kollapse> Moo_O: Hmm, I don't even know which one to use - http://davidwalsh.name/webkit-appearance
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  1229. # [23:55] <danielfilho> anyone knows if the cache states are correspondents to events with the same name? on (appcache)
  1230. # [23:57] <danielfilho> oh, I've got it. html5rocks.com rocks :)
  1231. # [23:58] <paul_irish> \o/
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