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# Session Start: Thu Nov 17 00:00:00 2011
# Session Ident: #html5
# [00:00] <tw2113> Thasmo
# [00:00] <tw2113> er thatryan
# [00:00] <Thasmo> haha you again :D
# [00:00] <tw2113> hi to both
# [00:00] <Thasmo> heh ;)
# [00:00] <Thasmo> aloha
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# [00:03] <thatryan> heyo
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# [00:15] <danielfilho> paul_irish: any idea of implementing tab-size on webkit? know something?
# [00:15] <danielfilho> just wanted to use it on a presentation, but isn't implemented on webkit :(
# [00:16] <paul_irish> i saw the ticket on bugs.webkit.org recently
# [00:16] <paul_irish> you should look there :)
# [00:16] <danielfilho> oh, that's the url I was looking for
# [00:16] <danielfilho> thanks :)
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# [00:55] <JonathanNeal> ahoy
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# [01:19] <supsup> question about html5 boilerplate: I'm stuck using dreamweaver templates for a site. html5 boiler template appears to not like the IE conditionals at the top of the boilerplate. It inserts the Template comment before the doctype throwing stuff into quirks mode. Has anyone ran into this problem / found a solution?
# [01:20] <supsup> could i move the IE conditionals to be the Body tag instead of the html tag?
# [01:23] <supsup> here is example of what is happening:
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# [01:23] <supsup> http://jsfiddle.net/DHyV5/
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# [01:25] <xonecas> can someone explain to me the purpose of this line of javascript? fnTest = /xyz/.test(function () {xyz}) ? /\bsupr\b/ : /.*/;
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# [01:36] <supsup> xonecas: http://jsfiddle.net/vRKt2/ console.log is better tho
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# [01:36] <supsup> eval /xyz/.test(function () {xyz}) ? /\bsupr\b/ : /.*/;
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# [02:33] <Pomax> does HTML5 come with a way to do autosuggest boxes for input fields?
# [02:33] <Pomax> or is it still a matter of stacking some divs and making it look like normal text
# [02:40] <Pomax> <datalist> doesn't seem to do much in Chrome =(
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# [02:45] <Jon47> yeah it needs work in basically every browser, last i checked
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# [05:24] <BrianBlakely> divya: Hi div, how goes it?
# [05:24] <divya> hi BrianBlakely its good! just back from W3Conf
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# [05:24] <BrianBlakely> Seattle, right?
# [05:25] <divya> BrianBlakely: yep!
# [05:25] <divya> well redmond more like
# [05:25] <BrianBlakely> Oh!
# [05:25] <BrianBlakely> Did you move to Europe or something?
# [05:25] <tw2113> redmond WA
# [05:25] <tw2113> home of the Microsoft
# [05:25] <BrianBlakely> I saw many a post on G+ from you about that land
# [05:26] <divya> BrianBlakely: haha no I was in Oslo/Amsterdam for Opera work/Fronteers respectively
# [05:26] <divya> then vacation and now back
# [05:26] <tw2113> what's a vacation?
# [05:26] <BrianBlakely> Ooooh, kk, well welcome back
# [05:27] <divya> thanks BrianBlakely! how goes you?
# [05:28] <BrianBlakely> Alright, I'm trying to get out of marketing, but haven't found an ideal match yet
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# [05:28] <divya> ah
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# [05:29] <BrianBlakely> Writing a little app for Guinness right now. A pub finder. It's sad that they won't just replace their Obj-C app with it.
# [05:30] <divya> ooo nice!
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# [05:32] <BrianBlakely> divya: Are you still working on that thing pirish mentioned? Something related to caniuse?
# [05:32] <divya> ya we are. hope to get that out by end of the year
# [05:32] <divya> ?g github nimbupani gfs
# [05:32] <bot-t> divya, nimbupani's Profile - GitHub - https://github.com/nimbupani
# [05:32] <divya> …
# [05:32] <divya> okay its in that page
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# [05:35] <BrianBlakely> divya: Cooool. If you want another set of hands - an errand boy, if you will - you must only make the call
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# [05:36] <divya> BrianBlakely: we are looking for some hands actually
# [05:36] <divya> what we need is a server-side or client-side component that will parse the data from a yaml or json file
# [05:37] <divya> and then render it on screen
# [05:37] <divya> currently it is all in that index.html and static
# [05:37] <divya> but clearly that is not scalable
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# [05:39] <BrianBlakely> divya: Ah, so you want to feed it from a kind of flat-file database
# [05:40] <divya> yep!
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# [05:41] <BrianBlakely> Cool, then plan for me to have a pullreq from me by the end of this weekend
# [05:42] <divya> nice!!
# [05:42] <divya> that would be awesome BrianBlakely
# [05:42] <divya> but note that we would prefer node
# [05:43] <divya> or something accessible
# [05:43] <divya> and available on most machines
# [05:43] <divya> or if client side maybe backbone based?
# [05:43] <divya> client side i dont have much constraint
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# [05:43] <divya> just server-side we can potentially have several people accessing.
# [05:43] <divya> so it would be neat to have a solution that works with minimal effort
# [05:45] <BrianBlakely> o rly, I was going to do it client-side in pure JS (maybe enhanced with ARIA), but I agree a server-end method would make it SEO friendly, which would be important for a resource
# [05:48] <BrianBlakely> divya: BTW, I'm giving a demo of WebRTC tomorrow. Ericsson made it way easier than it used to me, but it's still ridiculous. You need Ubuntu 11.04 specifically, for starters. :P
# [05:48] <divya> BrianBlakely: you could probably write that for node also
# [05:48] <divya> omg :/
# [05:48] <divya> (the JS)
# [05:48] <BrianBlakely> divya: I think you're right
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# [05:49] <BrianBlakely> Any murmurs on when this might hit an Opera beta, just so I can give my talkees an idea?
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# [05:49] <BrianBlakely> Last time we spoke about it, you seemed confident that the big O would be on that train early-ish
# [05:50] <divya> BrianBlakely: we are but i dont think its going to be in 12 for sure.
# [05:50] <divya> we also have had work cut out getting webGL work in Mobile etc so this might have to take a while
# [05:51] <BrianBlakely> H2 2012 sound right?
# [05:51] <BrianBlakely> Summer mayhaps?
# [05:51] <divya> hahaa it could be most likely next year but I cant say explictly when
# [05:52] <divya> honestly i dont know
# [05:52] <divya> we have roadmaps
# [05:52] <divya> but some features take a lot of time and things get delayed
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# [05:52] <divya> so even if I do say a number the practical appearance of said feature might be off the mark
# [05:56] <BrianBlakely> divya: Right, I knew I was grasping at straws. I'll make something up about 2012 without putting O on the spot…
# [05:56] <divya> thanks BrianBlakely!!
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# [08:06] <phrearch> hello
# [08:07] <phrearch> i wonder if the following situation can be done in a manifest file. right now im setting up a websocket connection in a bootstrapping http call which includes the default css/html/js to get started with. would it be possible to cache this information, so the client doesnt have to make the http call each time?
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# [08:18] <jetienne> what is the status of fullscreen API on opera ?
# [08:19] <OzDave_imac> would that be listed at www.caniuse.com ?
# [08:19] <OzDave_imac> guess not yet
# [08:26] <jetienne> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/fullscreen/raw-file/tip/Overview.html the spec is edited by an opera member, so i guess they know about it :)
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# [08:27] <jetienne> it is more a matter of priority and has it been already coded or not
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# [09:44] <phrearch> hello
# [09:45] <phrearch> i wonder if its possible to store images on the client from custom templates, where you dont know the image names at forehand (like when putting it in a manifest file)
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# [10:14] <Moo_O> phrearch: you can stick them into local storage
# [10:15] <Moo_O> it has upper limit for storage size
# [10:15] <Moo_O> 5 MB I think
# [10:15] <phrearch> Moo_O: aha, like with a blob in sqlite?
# [10:15] <Moo_O> yes
# [10:15] <Moo_O> I don't know details
# [10:15] <Moo_O> but big boys tell it's possible somehow
# [10:15] <phrearch> cool
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# [10:16] <phrearch> it may be a bit difficult to prevent the parsed html to get the images from the server though
# [10:16] <phrearch> wonder if there is an event for that
# [10:16] <phrearch> like, onRetrieveImage or something
# [10:17] <phrearch> or instead of using img tags, just use something like <div data-href='/path/to/img.png/'/> and then replace with javascript
# [10:17] <T-Co> phrearch, You can save images to localstorage by saving the base64 encoded and then using data uris to inject the data directly
# [10:18] <T-Co> phrearch, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_URI_scheme
# [10:18] <T-Co> phrearch, It takes 33% more space, though
# [10:18] <phrearch> T-Co: thanks, ill read up about the details of that
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# [10:18] <phrearch> yea, isnt it possible to keep binary data yet?
# [10:18] <phrearch> i read somewhere about typed array support or something
# [10:18] <T-Co> phrearch, There is also cache manifest: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/offline.html
# [10:19] <phrearch> yea, but i dont know in front what images need to be cached
# [10:19] <T-Co> Ah
# [10:19] <phrearch> basically all images that are rendered in the template
# [10:19] <phrearch> local storage is probably the best option then
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# [10:20] <T-Co> I think so
# [10:20] <T-Co> Also you might want to keep in mind that:
# [10:20] <T-Co> http://www.sencha.com/forum/showthread.php?130143-HTML5-LocalStorage-not-persistent-on-iOS-after-Power-Off
# [10:21] <phrearch> thanks, but thats not a problem
# [10:21] <T-Co> Ok
# [10:21] <phrearch> its for tv narrowcasting
# [10:21] <phrearch> tvs should be on all the time, and have contact to the server.
# [10:21] <phrearch> its just for when the server breaks down
# [10:22] <T-Co> ah
# [10:22] <T-Co> I was goign to dig you an article about local storage sizes across browsers, but I guess that's irrelevant as well :)
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# [10:22] <T-Co> 5Mb is the spec
# [10:22] <T-Co> Usually browser will ask after that if you want to increase the amount
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# [10:23] <phrearch> that should be enough, although those images can get pretty big
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# [10:23] <T-Co> phrearch, Do you know what the browser is based on?
# [10:24] <phrearch> yea, it will be chrome based
# [10:24] <phrearch> it needs to support websockets
# [10:24] <T-Co> So Webkit/Chromium based
# [10:24] <phrearch> yup
# [10:24] <T-Co> I think you should be fine with Data URI scheme then
# [10:24] <T-Co> Seems that's your best option
# [10:25] <phrearch> cool, will give that a try. hope to be able to avoid base64 but should be fine
# [10:27] <phrearch> working on a websocket api for django currently, https://github.com/phrearch/Django-HRM
# [10:27] <phrearch> still a bit buggy, but would be nice to have a simple way of using websockets in a cms
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# [10:50] <maena> Hi, what are the different types of audio that is normal to use with the audio tag?
# [10:51] <maena> I know of ogg, mpeg and wav
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# [11:00] <Moo_O> maena: AAC, Vorbis and MP3
# [11:00] <Moo_O> I think aac (mpeg 4 audio) and Vorbis cover 100% browsers
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# [11:04] <maena> is there any way to detect what kind of type a file is?
# [11:05] <maena> I'm working with replacing a flash audio player, and the file type can be of any kind really
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# [11:28] <rodfersou> morning Velmont
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# [11:29] <rodfersou> did you remember to ask your friend from opera about hidden features of offline storage?
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# [11:33] <shwetank> what hidden feature?
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# [11:33] <shwetank> are you talking about appcache or local storage?
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# [11:57] <Velmont> shwetank: localStorage.
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# [11:59] <Velmont> rodfersou: He's busy coding right now, but I'll ask soonish. Although I doubt there are. We follow specs quite closely and rather change the spec if we're unhappy with it before we implement other stuff :-)
# [11:59] <shwetank> im also from opera, btw .... if you have any specific question in mind, i can look it up
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# [12:01] <Velmont> shwetank: Hehe, it's just getting (by user js) how much space you're using. I wrote this pseudoish code for it: totbytes=0; for (var i=0; i<storage.length; i++) { totbytes += storage.getItem(storage.getKey(i)).length } -- but wanted to check if there was a more effective way.
# [12:01] <Velmont> rodfersou wanted to show a "you're using this much space" meter etc. -- So he probably would want to get how much space he has available as well (not just guess 5MB as is suggested by the spec).
# [12:02] <Velmont> I meant to look more into it, -- but I have much to do in other places right now ;-)
# [12:02] <Velmont> s/user js/author js/ is prolly a bit more correct.
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# [12:14] <maena> is there a way to find out what type of audio a file is?
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# [12:16] <Velmont> rodfersou: (key.length + getItem(key).length) * 2 == amout of data stored. -- So my original line was incorrect, under calculated quite a bit.
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# [12:17] <rodfersou> Velmont: sorry, I was at a meeting.. now I'm back
# [12:20] <rodfersou> Velmont: thank you very much for your help! I'm taking notes :)
# [12:22] <rodfersou> maena: well.. to embed an audio into html5 tag you need to put the codec there... so you can know what type of audio file it is...
# [12:23] <maena> rodfersou: yeah but I need to find out what codec it is before I set it as a type for <audio>
# [12:23] <rodfersou> maena: oh, I got it now.. sorry
# [12:24] <rodfersou> shwetank: I'm looking around about off-line webpages and off-line storage tecnologies for my final at my post graduation
# [12:25] <shwetank> cool. I wrote a few articles on dev.opera.com on local/session storage, appcache and even the now defunct websql
# [12:27] <rodfersou> nice
# [12:27] <rodfersou> shwetank: and about indexded db ?
# [12:27] <shwetank> here are my articles in case you're interested http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/web-storage/ , http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/offline-applications-html5-appcache/ and http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/taking-your-web-apps-offline-web-storage-appcache-websql/
# [12:27] <shwetank> Opera does not support indexdb so far
# [12:27] <rodfersou> fine
# [12:28] <rodfersou> shwetank: thank you very much for your help
# [12:28] <shwetank> no probs
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# [12:39] <rodfersou> maena: I think the easiest way is to open the file into your favorite player (I opened one file with VLC and check the information of the file)
# [12:39] <maena> rodfersou: can't do that, it has to be done within the site (javascript)
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# [12:40] <maena> rodfersou: the whole point is that I am making an audio player for a site, and it has to be able to play the content it shuvs in it
# [12:40] <maena> rodfersou: thats where the detecting comes in, I have to know what type to set the <audio> tag to
# [12:40] <rodfersou> maena: I thought there was a way to check it with the tagdata information of the file.. but didn't find the glue... take a look at this chapter of dive into python book.. maybe you can do it... http://www.diveintopython.net/file_handling/file_objects.html
# [12:42] <rodfersou> maena: I don't know if the codec information is into another place of the file.. but the first 128 bits you can take some information
# [12:42] <maena> rodfersou: thanks, I'll take a look at that
# [12:42] <rodfersou> ops.. it was the last 128 bits
# [12:42] <rodfersou> :)
# [12:43] <rodfersou> maena: you are welcome
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# [12:50] <rodfersou> maena: maybe it is easier if you use some script to convert the files with ffmpeg or mencode tools to the formats you want...
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# [12:50] <rodfersou> maena: because some browsers will need one codec, and another browsers need another codec
# [12:50] <maena> rodfersou: I am only allowed to use js, html and css
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# [12:52] <rodfersou> maena: I think you'll have some problems so.. maybe you'll need to ask in the upload time for the file ready into some codec...
# [12:52] <rodfersou> and the user convert it into the codecs you need before upload
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# [12:53] <rodfersou> I don't know if there is a way to convert the file with just javascript
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# [12:59] <Velmont> rodfersou: http://my.opera.com/xErath/blog/opera-is-web-store << a bash script that shows operas localstorage, for debugging and poking around et al :-)
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# [15:31] <socket> hey, setting the height of a <header> element. is it done using CSS? height: 50px; doesnt seem to work
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# [15:31] <divya> if you are using IE then you need modernizr or the html5shim
# [15:31] <divya> oh also set display: block
# [15:33] <socket> that might cause problems, changing the display
# [15:34] <socket> or, you're not talking to me....
# [15:34] <miketaylr> danielfilho: hey, is that vlc stream working for you?
# [15:35] <divya> socket: i am talking to you
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# [16:25] <Conexion> Hmm. So I have a webapp that I'm programming. In it, it manipulates background-size and background-position with CSS transitions to do smooth scaling/panning animations - This works great on most Android devices and newer (3GS+) iPhones. It is rather laggy on iPads and older iPhones/iPod Touches
# [16:26] <Conexion> Any ideas on what might speed this up?
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# [16:26] <divya> using -webkit-transform: translate3d(0, 0, 0); should
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# [16:28] <Conexion> That's what I thought, but my biggest worries are: 1) Managing it between difference browsers 2) Will the background image scale with the scaled div?
# [16:29] <Conexion> I guess I could just use Modernizr
# [16:29] <Conexion> Hmm
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# [16:33] <divya> Conexion: how does that affect any browser that is not webkit based?
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# [16:35] <Conexion> Well, lets say I want to run it in a mobile phone that doesn't support translate3d. It would be nice to have background-position / background-size as a fall-back
# [16:36] <divya> but -webkit-translate3d trick only works for webkit
# [16:36] <divya> and no webkit mobile phone is shipped without support for 3d afaik
# [16:36] <divya> err webkit mobile phone browser
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# [16:37] <Conexion> I guess I'm worried mainly about people using Opera
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# [16:38] <divya> Conexion: well then you could use modernizr detects for that
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# [16:39] <Moo_O> divya: nokia series 60
# [16:39] <supsup> question about html5 boilerplate: I'm stuck using dreamweaver templates for a site. html5 boiler template appears to not like the IE conditionals at the top of the boilerplate. It inserts the Template comment before the doctype throwing stuff into quirks mode. Has anyone ran into this problem / found a solution?
# [16:39] <supsup> could i move the IE conditionals to be the Body tag instead of the html tag?
# [16:39] <supsup> http://jsfiddle.net/DHyV5/
# [16:39] <divya> supsup: u can
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# [16:39] <divya> Moo_O: haha ://
# [16:40] <divya> but does it support transitions and not translate3d?
# [16:40] <Conexion> Hah, I'm not worried about phones that don't at least support Canvas - They're out of luck
# [16:40] <supsup> divya cool thanks.
# [16:40] <Conexion> Also we're only supporting touch devices
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# [16:58] <Conexion> By the way, I appreciate your article on the pointless pursuit of semantic value divya, hopefully you haven't gotten too much crap from it!
# [16:58] <divya> Conexion: :))
# [16:58] <divya> thanks.
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# [17:21] <xonecas> divya: o/ link for that article of yours?
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# [17:21] <divya> ?g smashingmagazine our pointless pursuit of semantic value @ xonecas
# [17:21] <bot-t> xonecas, Our Pointless Pursuit Of Semantic Value - Smashing Coding - http://coding.smashingmagazine.com/2011/11/11/our-pointless-pursuit-of-semantic-value/
# [17:21] <divya> that :))
# [17:21] <xonecas> much appreciated thank you!
# [17:22] <xonecas> Does anyone know when will the outcome of yesterdays sopa hearing will be made public?
# [17:22] <divya> xonecas: you will be sure to hear it on twitter :P
# [17:22] <jarek> how can I escape all HTML-reserved strings in text?
# [17:23] <jarek> e.g. if the text contains '<!--' string then it will render only partially when inserted into HTML page
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# [17:25] <xonecas> jarek not sure I understand, but I think you need to write up some regex's to test for your cases.
# [17:25] <divya> jarek: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XUL_School/DOM_Building_and_HTML_Insertion
# [17:27] <jarek> divya: thanks
# [17:28] <jarek> divya: btw, I was watching your presentation on CSS3 layouts yesterday
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# [17:28] <jarek> divya: why do you think that flexbox should not be used already?
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# [17:28] <divya> jarek: as i mentioned the spec has changed
# [17:28] <jarek> it seems to be supported by all latest versions of all browsers
# [17:28] <divya> so browsers are likely to drop support for old flexbox
# [17:28] <jarek> divya: IE10 will support flexbox as defined in old spec
# [17:29] <divya> which means your content will look like garbage when they do.
# [17:29] <divya> unless you did some neat progressive enhancements
# [17:29] <divya> which is great
# [17:29] <jarek> divya: also, afair WebKit will keep supporting the old spec even after support for new one is added
# [17:30] <divya> jarek: they will for a while, not for long
# [17:30] <jarek> this was also the case with border-radius
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# [17:31] <divya> but border-radius does not make content unreadable
# [17:31] <divya> this does.
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# [18:01] <danielfilho> miketaylr: sorry, I've left online here all the time (at work). It wasn't in the beginning, but after a few minutes, it started working. was giving a 502
# [18:02] <miketaylr> heh, no worries
# [18:02] <miketaylr> i got distracted and closed it anyways :P
# [18:03] <danielfilho> clever decision :)
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# [18:05] <JonathanNeal> hiya
# [18:06] <supsup> hey divya i tried to move the IE conditionals to the body tag but then dreamweaver says the body tag is missing opening tag
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# [18:07] <divya> supsup: there is a fix for that in this post
# [18:07] <divya> ?g paul irish css conditional hacks
# [18:07] <bot-t> divya, Conditional stylesheets vs CSS hacks? Answer: Neither! « Paul Irish - http://paulirish.com/2008/conditional-stylesheets-vs-css-hacks-answer-neither/
# [18:07] <supsup> is it !IE?
# [18:07] <supsup> yah i tried that fix in the top for html was wondering
# [18:07] <divya> ideally the conditionals should be dreamweaver proof
# [18:07] <divya> but not sure why its not being so for you.
# [18:07] <supsup> ok i think i'll do that to body tag
# [18:08] <divya> sadly i have no dreamweaver to test
# [18:08] <supsup> its across man machines ~~
# [18:08] <supsup> many*
# [18:08] <supsup> the problem is global it appears to me
# [18:08] <supsup> only when your using Templates tho
# [18:08] <supsup> because of the way dreamweaver adds its own special comments
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# [18:09] <xonecas> supsup: dreamweaver must have preferences to avoid such things
# [18:09] <divya> :((
# [18:09] <jarek> supsup: Dreamweaver is almost as uncool as Frontpage
# [18:10] <divya> jarek: it doesnt matter
# [18:10] <divya> anyway supsup would be very grateful if you find a solution and file it on github h5bp repo
# [18:10] <divya> http://git.io/h5bp
# [18:10] <supsup> jarek i'd use vim if i could but client won't let me they use CPS...for logging (worst logging/backup system i've ever seen )
# [18:11] <JonathanNeal> what's the issue?
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# [18:12] <supsup> divya: using Pauls idea: is this OK? having the comment in a comment like this?
# [18:12] <supsup> http://jsfiddle.net/5yrrz/
# [18:13] <divya> sounds good to me
# [18:13] <xonecas> supsup: tell your bosses that vim is free and open source and that they can track you with git = happy devs :-)
# [18:13] <supsup> that appears to work, and work in Dreamweaver, could also just move the idea down to the body
# [18:13] <JonathanNeal> what's the issue?
# [18:13] <supsup> xonecas already tried ~~
# [18:13] <divya> supsup: is that not h5bp default?
# [18:14] <xonecas> :-(
# [18:14] <supsup> no default does not have the !IE
# [18:14] <supsup> it uses only the gt IE8 + comment hack
# [18:14] <divya> ah
# [18:15] <divya> kk
# [18:15] <supsup> the issue is: if you the html IE conditionals to DW CS5 / CS3 templates
# [18:15] <supsup> it adds it's opening dreamweaver comment
# [18:15] <supsup> above the doctype
# [18:15] <divya> ugh
# [18:15] <divya> okay
# [18:15] <supsup> which throws IE into quirks mode
# [18:15] <divya> i wish someone in dreamweaver is here to fix it for us :/
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# [18:16] <supsup> so anyway using the above jsfiddle appears to work but it's ugly
# [18:16] <supsup> so i think instead i'll move the same idea to the body tag
# [18:16] <supsup> instead
# [18:16] <JonathanNeal> oh boy
# [18:16] <divya> sure. we put it in html so that body is free for classes from php or any other custom classes, ids you would want to add
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# [18:17] <JonathanNeal> so <!doctype html> ?
# [18:17] <supsup> yes
# [18:17] <supsup> exactly
# [18:17] <supsup> it is suppose to add that comment in between the doctype and the opening html tag
# [18:18] <supsup> but since the ie conditional re there it gets confused
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# [18:18] <supsup> so just throws it before doctype i guess as a backup plan
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# [18:18] <JonathanNeal> supsup: what happens if you put the !IE up top?
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# [18:19] <JonathanNeal> instead of at the bottom
# [18:19] <supsup> it does what i said in jsfiddle above
# [18:19] <supsup> http://jsfiddle.net/5yrrz/
# [18:19] <supsup> which appears to work
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# [18:19] <supsup> just worried about the comments in comments
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# [18:20] <JonathanNeal> yea
# [18:20] <JonathanNeal> you should be good, have you tested this in old ie?
# [18:20] <JonathanNeal> i have old ie if you don't
# [18:20] <supsup> yah
# [18:20] <supsup> it appears to work
# [18:21] <JonathanNeal> You're good then!
# [18:21] <supsup> i was wrong earlier i said it should add the Dreamweaver comment in between doctype and html tag...it's actually goes AFTEr the html tag which is what it is doing in my example
# [18:21] <JonathanNeal> I thought you said it was supposed to put that comment above <html> though.
# [18:21] <supsup> yah cool i'll log to github
# [18:21] <JonathanNeal> Ah, good.
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# [18:21] <JonathanNeal> Are you using html5?
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# [18:22] <supsup> not currently, we were mostly just using this idea of targeting IEs
# [18:22] <supsup> via global class
# [18:22] <supsup> instead of seperate stylesheets
# [18:22] <JonathanNeal> okay, because you could use js to give <html> all those classnames.
# [18:22] <JonathanNeal> because in old ie, you have to use js to support html5 elements, anyway.
# [18:22] <supsup> not accessible then tho~~
# [18:22] <supsup> ooo
# [18:22] <supsup> gotcha
# [18:23] <supsup> will keep that in mind
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# [18:26] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish, you around? I think that would be useful to note. IE conditionals comments are great in many scenarios, however, if the page uses IE's unsupported HTML5 elements then javascript is already a requirement and could then be used to do the work of the conditionals.
# [18:27] <JonathanNeal> Also paul_irish, http://music.thewikies.com/jonneal/modernizr !
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# [18:29] <drublic> JonathanNeal: :D Awesome!!!
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# [18:30] <drublic> JonathanNeal: you're idea with adding classes to the html-tag with JS as IE needs a shim anyway sounds great
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# [18:31] <JonathanNeal> well, ie8 is having issues with the shim in high security mode anyway, guess i can look into both
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# [18:31] <drublic> and if for instance modernizr already adds some feature-classes an "oldIE" and "lt-ie8" is not bad
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# [18:32] <drublic> i like the idea :)
# [18:32] <JonathanNeal> cool.
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# [18:33] <drublic> you think it could be sth. for h5bp?
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# [18:33] <divya> we did have modernizr as a dependency
# [18:33] <divya> at one point
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# [18:34] <divya> but we are moving away from it afaik.
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# [18:34] <divya> or not doing too much dependencies
# [18:34] <JonathanNeal> modernizr as a dependency for what?
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# [18:35] <drublic> JonathanNeal: Modernizr has the HTML5 Shim for oldIE
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# [18:36] <remysharp> JonathanNeal: shall we get your new html5shiv uploaded? (non-htc though - will have to remain with onbeforeprint to avoid deps)
# [18:36] <remysharp> JonathanNeal: hi by the way ;-)
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# [18:37] <JonathanNeal> hi remysharp :) yea it's kimpossible to do the htc locally :(
# [18:37] <JonathanNeal> so you'd have to stick with the non-htc method.
# [18:37] <remysharp> but the version you had was a damn sight lighter - no?
# [18:37] <JonathanNeal> what exactly is the improvement then if we cut the htc part?
# [18:37] <remysharp> on the print side
# [18:37] <remysharp> also ships with the style sheet plug
# [18:38] <JonathanNeal> that's right
# [18:38] <remysharp> well - the style sheet plug and the light print support
# [18:38] <remysharp> code is much smaller iirc
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# [18:41] <divya> JonathanNeal: for h5bp
# [18:42] <cashshadow> divya: really? what is the alternative?
# [18:42] <JonathanNeal> remysharp: okay, well, i have to step out on a personal matter for a few hours. my wallet was stolen and i have to go down to the dmv to get a new license, so i'll be back later to work on this.
# [18:42] <remysharp> oh crap
# [18:42] <divya> cashshadow: we *are* using modernizr. not gonna remove it EVER
# [18:42] <divya> just dont want other features to depend on it afaict
# [18:42] <divya> people dont like that
# [18:43] <remysharp> sure - I'm using irccloud so I should stay logged in - or kick me in the head on twitter
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# [18:45] <jarek> is the CSS inspector from FireFox aurora implemented in HTML/JS?
# [18:46] <jarek> I wonder how they have implemented the highlight effect when you inspect elements, it doesn't seem to be doable with CSS
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# [18:47] <jarek> I mean this: http://blog.mozilla.com/devtools/files/2011/11/Highlighter.png
# [18:48] <jarek> the whole page is grayed out except the selected element
# [18:48] <jarek> what would be the easiest way to implement such feature?
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# [18:49] <jarek> I was thinking about creating an SVG overlay and resizing it with JS, but that's a lot of work :/
# [18:50] <xonecas> jarek why not css?
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# [18:51] <Mikeumus_> Hey gang, is there a dedicated <canvas> IRC channel by any chance or are those questions cool here too?
# [18:51] <Jon47> they are cool here, there might be a better channel tho
# [18:51] <xonecas> you can give position to the highlighted element and then a 50% opacity overlay on the whole page, then use the z-index to place the highlighted element atop the overlay
# [18:52] <xonecas> Mikeumus_: the guys over at the three.js channel are awesome with canvas
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# [18:52] <jarek> xonecas: because CSS allows for styling only elements that can be targeted with selector
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# [18:53] <xonecas> jarek: example of an element that can't be targeted by a selector?
# [18:54] <jarek> xonecas: sorry, I should rather say "because CSS alows for styling areas that belong to elements"
# [18:55] <xonecas> jarek: i still don't see why it wouldn't work, how is that impeding me?
# [18:55] <jarek> xonecas: http://blog.mozilla.com/devtools/files/2011/11/Highlighter.png
# [18:56] <jarek> xonecas: ^ I have to set gray background for area that does not belong to selected element
# [18:56] <jarek> xonecas: how would you do that with CSS?
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# [18:57] <xonecas> It won't be a pure css solution since you need some js, but pretty much create a new element overlayiing over the whole page (the gray out). make sure its not position: static and has a z-index.
# [18:58] <xonecas> then you apply a position: relative to the inspected element, and give it a higher z-index. That should do it (or you might have to use position: absolute on the inpected element, and set its placement with js
# [18:59] <xonecas> )
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# [19:00] <jarek> xonecas: but if I select text node that its background will be still behind overlay
# [19:00] <jarek> s/that/then
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# [19:01] <xonecas> are you sure? try it on jsfiddle see what happens :-)
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# [19:34] <Mikeumus_> Thanks for recommending the three.js irc for <canvas> questions but I think they are all sleeping.
# [19:34] <Mikeumus_> I have a quick canvas question. I'm mashing together two of my canvas experiments and trying to draw a curved root to my tree but my root just disappears: http://jsfiddle.net/Mikeumus/gHM5B/6/
# [19:35] <Mikeumus_> I'm declaring the canvas and ctx variables twice with different widths and heights and I think this is resetting the canvas somehow.
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# [19:40] <Pomax> not sure about your actual proble, but your bezier code is not correct
# [19:40] <Pomax> oh sorry, totally missed the 3 in your B2 and B3 functions, it is =P
# [19:40] <Mikeumus_> It's working for what I need.
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# [19:40] <Mikeumus_> I'll admit I copied it and my Math days are past but the problem is after the curve is drawn, it disappears.
# [19:41] <Pomax> I'm not quite following this code, there's not a lot of documentation to guide readers =x
# [19:41] <Pomax> yeah I see one curve forming, then disappearing, then a real tree forming
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# [19:41] <Mikeumus_> yeah, the idea is for the curve not to disappear
# [19:41] <Pomax> so it has to stay there and then the tree has to form on top of it?
# [19:41] <Mikeumus_> there is init() and doCurve where ctx and canvas variables are being declared.
# [19:42] <Mikeumus_> exactly.
# [19:42] <Mikeumus_> Your right too I probably should start building the habit of notarizing things.
# [19:44] <Pomax> I can see how doCurve gets called, but how is init() triggered?
# [19:45] <Mikeumus_> it's in a else statement inside of doCurve()
# [19:45] <Mikeumus_> as init()
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# [19:46] <Pomax> aah
# [19:46] <Pomax> then yes, it's your canvas manipulation.
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# [19:47] <Pomax> setting any properties on canvas after you're already using the context makes funky things happen, including things like setting width/height or css font
# [19:47] <Mikeumus_> k
# [19:47] <Pomax> comment out the canvas.width/height=... lines and you'll see the context isn't cleared
# [19:47] <Mikeumus_> but declaring the ctx and canvas variables twice doesn't hurt?
# [19:47] <Pomax> since you already know the canvas and context, you could pass those into the init function instead.
# [19:47] <Mikeumus_> okay
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# [19:48] <Pomax> just fetching them doesn't hurt, but don't touch canvas itself.
# [19:48] <Pomax> touching context is fine.
# [19:48] <Mikeumus_> like init(canvas, ctx){...} ?
# [19:48] <Pomax> yeah
# [19:48] <Mikeumus_> k
# [19:48] <Mikeumus_> let me try it out.
# [19:48] <Mikeumus_> 8D
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# [19:49] <Pomax> you're kind of negating the purpose of wrapping the bulk of your code if you're going to invent global variables, btw =)
# [19:49] <Pomax> that "treegrow" var, for instance, shouldn't be known to the doCurve function. it breaks the closure
# [19:50] <Mikeumus_> what does breaking the closure mean?
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# [19:50] <Mikeumus_> the code never stops?
# [19:50] <Mikeumus_> running*
# [19:50] <Pomax> JS can be optimised by the engine by taking bits of "this code lives in its own world"
# [19:52] <Pomax> by making the code use both local and global variables, the engine can't run it as quickly/efficiently as it would if you made those variables locally referenced instead.
# [19:52] <Mikeumus_> k
# [19:53] <Pomax> it's why we use (function(arg){...}(jQuery)); for instance.
# [19:53] <Mikeumus_> so I should fit doCurve() into my function ($);
# [19:53] <Mikeumus_> yeah what does that mean?
# [19:53] <Mikeumus_> I know that there is three functions in: (function(arg){...}(jQuery)); I think
# [19:53] <Pomax> it means "declare a function, function(arg){...} and call it with jQuery as argument
# [19:54] <Pomax> so you're creating a self-contained block of code that doesn't need to look outside its own scope to find jQuery
# [19:54] <Mikeumus_> so it's all local basically
# [19:54] <Pomax> once its been built by the engine, it can be isolated and optimised as such
# [19:54] <Pomax> yes
# [19:54] <Mikeumus_> k
# [19:54] <Mikeumus_> never with anyhting global
# [19:54] <Mikeumus_> interesting
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# [19:55] <Pomax> exactly. if you use window or document, you can pass those in the same way
# [19:55] <Pomax> (function(j,w,d) {...} (jQuery, window, document)); does the trick
# [19:55] <Mikeumus_> pass them in like (function($,window,document){...}(jQuery)); ?
# [19:56] <Mikeumus_> opps yeah I was jsut going to ask
# [19:56] <Mikeumus_> hum
# [19:56] <Pomax> think of it as shorthand for "unnamedf = function(j,w,d){...}; unnamedf(jQuery,window,document)"
# [19:56] <Pomax> which it literally is =)
# [19:58] <Mikeumus_> but arn't those two functions arugments of unnamedf instead of being assigned to the two functions or is it the same thing?
# [19:59] <Mikeumus_> not to be nit picky but just wondering.
# [19:59] <Pomax> the first part declares the variables for local scope use inside the function, then second part calls the function using the execution operator (), with values to initialise those local scope variables
# [20:00] <Pomax> so if we used (function(jQuery, window, document) {}()); you would find that jQuery, window and document were in fact null inside the function, because they never got initialised, only declared
# [20:01] <Mikeumus_> hum..
# [20:01] <Pomax> the naming is misleading
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# [20:01] <Pomax> we like keeping the names the same, but as function args the names are completely irrelevant.
# [20:01] <Pomax> (function(jQuery, window, document) {}()); and (function(a,b,ct) {}()); are the same function
# [20:02] <Mikeumus_> hum...
# [20:02] <Pomax> which is one of the ways you can optimise a closure - because none of the variables are global, you can start renaming them to single letter variables.
# [20:03] <Pomax> function(a){a('lol').text('teehee');}(jQuery); is one of those minification steps you see in YUI etc.
# [20:05] <Mikeumus_> k, I'm trying to follow that last one, give me a second more.
# [20:06] <Mikeumus_> a('lol') can have a argument that's a string, is that what it's doing?
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# [20:07] <dilvie> Mikeumus_: a = jQuery
# [20:07] <Pomax> what he said
# [20:07] <Mikeumus_> ohhh!
# [20:07] <Mikeumus_> lol k
# [20:07] <Pomax> you declare a local variable called 'a' in the function definition, and then instantiate it by passinng jQuery
# [20:07] <Mikeumus_> I see that part now
# [20:07] <dilvie> you're passing jQuery in as the first parameter to the function call ... }(jQuery)
# [20:08] <dilvie> and referencing it inside the function as it was declared in the function signature: function(a)...
# [20:08] <Mikeumus_> but what does jQuery('lol') do?
# [20:08] <dilvie> so a = jQuery inside the function.
# [20:08] <dilvie> Mikeumus_: That's not the point.
# [20:09] <Mikeumus_> k, well I understand the above point then
# [20:09] <Pomax> jQuery('lol') selects <lol>, it's just a use example
# [20:09] <dilvie> replace that with $('#lol') -- or any valid selector.
# [20:09] <Mikeumus_> k I see
# [20:09] <cashshadow> this has been really helpful!
# [20:09] <dilvie> it just selects some element(s) and replaces the text.
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# [20:10] <Mikeumus_> okay let me see if I can get this working. I'll show it off if I do or I'll come back with more problems if otherwise.
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# [20:11] <Pomax> good luck and have fun
# [20:11] <Mikeumus_> Yea, Thanks a million Pomax and dilvie.
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# [20:14] <dilvie> I have a bunch of links to help people learn JavaScript at http://ericleads.com/2011/09/learning-javascript-up-to-speed-in-no-time/
# [20:14] <dilvie> Tutorials and good books.
# [20:14] <dilvie> and video.
# [20:16] <Mikeumus_> hum, I'll check them out
# [20:16] <RLa> dilvie, why is javascript: the definite guide missing?
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# [20:18] <RLa> it contains everything, from basic introduction to advanced html5 features (6th edition)
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# [20:21] <supsup> divya: i logged issue to github, but it appears if not in edit mode cannot see tags i used.
# [20:21] <divya> i can see the tags :/
# [20:21] <divya> https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/issues/856
# [20:21] <divya> ?
# [20:21] <socialhapy> ★ Issue #856 on html5-boilerplate, reported by supsup (2m, 13s ago): Dreamweaver templates and IE conditionals / possible solutions
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# [20:22] <supsup> yah
# [20:22] <supsup> it strips them out
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# [20:22] <supsup> for some reason
# [20:22] <supsup> if u can edit it
# [20:22] <supsup> u can read it ;/
# [20:22] <supsup> i don't get why it's doing that
# [20:22] <supsup> but in edit mode u can see the tags
# [20:22] <divya> ohh
# [20:22] <divya> i see
# [20:22] <divya> you need to escape them
# [20:22] <supsup> waht is the escape?
# [20:22] <supsup> char
# [20:23] <divya> `
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# [20:24] <divya> ha it wont work for multi line supsup
# [20:24] <divya> for that you need to put 2 spaces before the code.
# [20:24] <divya> so if you are in your text editor
# [20:25] <divya> just align them all to the right by two spaces, copy paste again
# [20:25] <divya> er 4 spaces
# [20:26] <divya> supsup: i edited one of them https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/issues/856 u can follow it for the rest :P
# [20:26] <socialhapy> ★ Issue #856 on html5-boilerplate, reported by supsup (6m, 34s ago): Dreamweaver templates and IE conditionals / possible solutions
# [20:26] <dilvie> RLa: it's missing because the feature is called "up to speed in no time"
# [20:26] <RLa> oh
# [20:26] <dilvie> RLa: The Definitive Guide is not a quick primer. It's more bible-sized. =)
# [20:26] <supsup> yah never used github bugs before
# [20:27] <dilvie> RLa: Although, the newest version of Definitive Guide is quite good.
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# [20:27] <RLa> you can also skip some parts
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# [20:27] <dilvie> I've really enjoyed it. Maybe I'll add a note that the reader should check that out for more detailed coverage.
# [20:28] <RLa> that would be good idea
# [20:28] <dilvie> Thanks for the feedback.
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# [20:42] <tpe11etier> Hi, I'm wondering if anyone has a recommendation on a training location/class in the boston area
# [20:43] <divya> tpe11etier: Bocoup
# [20:43] <divya> ?g bocoup training boston
# [20:43] <bot-t> divya, The Bocoup Loft - http://loft.bocoup.com/
# [20:44] <tpe11etier> thank you
# [20:44] <JonathanNeal> back
# [20:44] <jarek> if I split the application logic into two parts:
# [20:44] <jarek> - the UI, which sits in browser main thread
# [20:44] <jarek> - and the application logic, which sits in separate Web Worker
# [20:45] <jarek> how is such architecture called?
# [20:45] <jarek> client-server? Some variation of MVC?
# [20:45] <Pomax> just "multithreaded"
# [20:46] <Pomax> it'll be a client-side multithreaded application.
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# [20:46] <jarek> too bad there is no more specific term, it's hard to find anything about it on Google
# [20:47] <Pomax> we've been doing that kind of separation on an industrial scale since the 80s O_o
# [20:47] <jarek> e.g. I need framework that would make it easy to communicate between main thread and the "core" which sits in Web Worker
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# [20:47] <jarek> Pomax: yeah, but in JavaScript world this is something new
# [20:47] <Pomax> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Using_web_workers
# [20:47] <Pomax> only in availability. not in concept I would hope
# [20:48] <divya> multi-threaded seems like how it would be broadly classified
# [20:48] <Pomax> all the ideas that apply to general UI/logic separation in traditional multithreaded applications applies to webworkers.
# [20:49] <Pomax> it's callbacks all the way down
# [20:50] <JonathanNeal> remysharp: back and looking into the high security mode issue as well as updating iepp but keeping the onbeforeprint sadness.
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# [20:55] <tpe11etier> loft.bocoup.com seems great but maybe a bit too advanced for now. Anyone have another suggestion that might be more geared to novices?
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# [20:58] <Pomax> hm, interesting div+canvas bugs
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# [20:59] <Pomax> <div><canvas/></div> without a div line-height: 0 adds mystery space between the canvas and the div
# [20:59] <Pomax> http://jsfiddle.net/kTujZ/
# [20:59] <divya> cnavas is inline block
# [20:59] <divya> err inline
# [20:59] <divya> its not a bug
# [20:59] <divya> its a feature
# [21:00] <divya> much like <img
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# [21:00] <JonathanNeal> IE<9 with high security does not allow for javascript or behaviors.
# [21:00] <Pomax> it's a feature that demonstrates the height for <canvas> in line-height context is wrong
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# [21:01] <Pomax> line-height doesn't mean "pad", it means "distance between consecutive baselines", so if there's only one line of elements... its value is utterly irrelevant.
# [21:03] <Pomax> I don
# [21:03] <Pomax> 't know, reading http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/visudet.html#line-height still makes it seem like it's a bug rather than a feature
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# [21:06] <philihp> Dear Google, would be cool if http://google.com asked IE to render the page with Chrome Frame before asking to install Chrome.
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# [21:13] <Ms2ger> Dear Google, Chrome Frame sucks
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# [21:14] <Pomax> Dear Microsoft, would be cool if http://google.com didn't have to ask for Chrome to be installed anymore. Please hardline older versions of IE so that they literally cannot be used anymore.
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# [21:24] <Mikeumus_> Can anyone see how I'm not passing these variables into init() correctly?: http://jsfiddle.net/Mikeumus/gHM5B/8/
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# [21:25] <jaequery> hi guys
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# [21:25] <jaequery> can i load a remote image onto a canvas? someone said thats not possible due to cross-site error. is this true?
# [21:25] <Mikeumus_> By the way it does work Pomax if I just redeclare ctx and canvas variables so thanks again.
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# [21:27] <Pomax> better to recycle than redeclare =)
# [21:27] <Pomax> but good to know it works for you
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# [21:27] <Mikeumus_> yeah I tried to recycle with init(canvas, ctx) but no luck.
# [21:28] <Mikeumus_> seen here: http://jsfiddle.net/Mikeumus/gHM5B/8/ Since I have it working you don't have to check it out but I was just wondering why init wasn't using the variables I was passing into it.
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# [21:30] <Pomax> you need to change your fiddling a little. The four different content boxes are there for a reason =)
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# [21:31] <Mikeumus_> ohh, to seperate the js and css html I see.
# [21:31] <Pomax> http://jsfiddle.net/k8FXD/
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# [21:32] <Mikeumus_> yeah, I'm working in Dreamweaver just for the code highlighting and then just pasting it into fiddle.
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# [21:34] <Pomax> you might want to tell dreamweaver to generate nicer code, too
# [21:34] <Pomax> http://www.javascriptbeautifier.com/ goes a long way =)
# [21:35] <Mikeumus_> Nothing is being generated there, besides the html template at the top mostly
# [21:35] <Mikeumus_> the messy code can be blamed on my mostly
# [21:35] <Pomax> ah. in that case, shame on you =D
# [21:35] <Mikeumus_> lol 8(
# [21:35] <Pomax> another thing worth taking into account: it's generally a good idea to declare functions before you call them.
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# [21:36] <Pomax> if onCurve calls init, try to have the code for init before oncurve
# [21:36] <Pomax> *doCurve
# [21:36] <Mikeumus_> yeah that makes sense.
# [21:36] <Mikeumus_> opps.
# [21:37] <Pomax> JavaScript's super lenient on what it lets you do, but it does mean you have to be careful with things like that. JSLint can help spot some of those errors for you (although I tend to overrule it for almost half of the things Crockford has it set up for)
# [21:37] <Pomax> http://www.jslint.com/
# [21:39] <Mikeumus_> yeah jslint can be political.
# [21:39] <Mikeumus_> let's see what it says I guess.
# [21:39] <Pomax> I just take exception with the word "tolerate". but that's my problem, I take words seriously
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# [21:54] <Blahh_> I am writing a simple http server, i need it to support the video and audio tags, is there anything special with these or is it just like serving an image?
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# [21:59] <RLa> Blahh_, i think the server must support some seeking/skipping/resuming from specific position
# [21:59] <RLa> most http servers do that anyway
# [22:00] <RLa> so you can ask, "give me file starting from nth byte"
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# [22:10] <bitwise_> not really html5 related but anyone know why goog chrome doesnt resolve my local domain hosts? if i type in something like p.loc i have a host entry on my mac but chrome always comes up with a google search and a 'did you mean' link to the url
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# [22:15] <velts> has anyone user explorercanvas before here?
# [22:15] <divya> bot-t: tell BrianBlakely I got a node backbone thing running already for that project!
# [22:15] <bot-t> divya, Okay.
# [22:16] <budmaddock1> bitwise: local domain hosts in linux have to be in /var/www/ directory. Files are read as /path/filename back to root. If you put in just a directory name /root/directory it will give you a listing of files. Any of that what you needed?
# [22:16] <velts> i cannot get it to work in IE7 or 8
# [22:17] <bitwise_> budmaddock1: hmm i am accessing via http protocol, so i dont think it applies. good to know though.
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# [22:41] <budmaddock1> bitwise Do you need to type localhost/p.loc perhaps? Something like http://localhost/dogs/Videos/JakeBoys.MP4 will bring up my local apache server and show a short clip about kids with their dog saved in /var/www.
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# [22:50] <jetienne> q. i would like to prevent the arrow keys up/down to trigger a page scroll, can i do that ?
# [22:51] <jetienne> and if so, how :)
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# [22:53] <Pomax> a) don't be a dick =)
# [22:53] <Pomax> b) intercept the key event on document, and stop propagation if it's your desired key
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# [22:56] <jetienne> Pomax: on which element i should bind the key events ? i tried on <iframe> and on <body>
# [22:57] <jetienne> oh my bad i forgot to say. my case is about embedding a game in a webpage via iframe
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# [22:58] <jetienne> Pomax: to intercept keyup/keydown on body is working if the focus is in thebody
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# [22:58] <jetienne> Pomax: but it fails if the focus is on the iframe.
# [22:58] <jetienne> my goal is to be able to use arrow keys as control on my game
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# [22:59] <Pomax> you want to intercept keys on window and document.
# [23:02] <jetienne> Pomax: ok will try
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# [23:09] <jetienne> Pomax: http://marblesoccer.com/embedded.html apparently i miss something. i bound window, document and the iframe
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# [23:10] <jetienne> Pomax: none of my event handler receive an event in this case, in chrome and firefox
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# [23:14] <Pomax> here
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# [23:15] <Pomax> http://pomax.nihongoresources.com/downloads/globalhike.html
# [23:15] <Pomax> hit up/down, then click disable. then try hitting up/down again.
# [23:16] <Pomax> (modify the code to take multiple event handlers into account when you're relying on addEventListener for handler binding)
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# [23:17] <jetienne> Pomax: yep but you got no iframe. can you add an iframe in which we could put the focus ?
# [23:17] <Pomax> use ye code in ye iframe's html source
# [23:18] <Pomax> iframes are separate documents
# [23:23] <Mikeumus_> 8)
# [23:23] <Mikeumus_> Thanks again I learned alot today.
# [23:24] <Mikeumus_> We'd all be screwed without people like you.
# [23:24] <Mikeumus_> brb
# [23:25] <jetienne> Pomax: it worked. thanks a LOT for your help
# [23:26] <Mikeumus_> I'm thinking of creating a paralleled tree growing below to act as a reflection in the blue footer (water) below and with a lower globalAlpha on it's canvas.
# [23:27] <Mikeumus_> but I've already gone pretty out of scope but I think think I might do it. lol.
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# [23:40] <Pomax> mike5w3c: ice =D
# [23:40] <Pomax> with an extra n
# [23:41] <Pomax> also with a different nick autocomplete. total mirc fail =_=
# [23:41] <Pomax> Mikeumus_: nice =)
# [23:41] <Pomax> there we go.
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# [23:54] <pyDude> how can i make use of html5 to download all the attachments from inbox,i need those api,igoogle gadgets api can't extract the attachments ,i was wondering that there should be any api to first authenticate using oauth,then render the received page and then download the attachments,i know that using and xpi called attachment extractor with thunderbird it can be done but i want to make something for igoogle so that it could be used in any browser as well,any
# [23:54] <pyDude> help please
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# [23:55] <pyDude> just i need to select the emails with attachment and i can then download all at once,is it possible with html5 file writer api,
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# [23:56] <pyDude> i guess i will need to make use of the attachment extractor xpi for thunderbird into something for javascript so that i can put it on igoogle web store
# [23:57] <pyDude> any help ..............:D
# [23:59] <Pomax> no idea, but then I've not done anything with those APIs
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