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  1. # Session Start: Fri Nov 18 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
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  5. # [00:02] <pyDude> what we do is that click on the attachment ,the download button for download to begin,but if this could be done with some api,it would be better,i guess i'll have to try ajax,but with that i can only know if any new mail arrives,i didn't fine anything in google web store either
  6. # [00:02] <pyDude> ;)
  7. # [00:04] <Pomax> websocket?
  8. # [00:04] <pyDude> it can also be done with fb just login and after authentication the app could download all the images from your profile,
  9. # [00:04] <pyDude> i know how to create a connection ,what i need is to download ...........:)
  10. # [00:04] <pyDude> i guess i need to reverse the thunderbird xpi
  11. # [00:05] <pyDude> no other way
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  13. # [00:06] <pyDude> http://www.w3.org/TR/file-writer-api/
  14. # [00:07] <pyDude> i'll try to use this,but i am afraid it won't work in all browser,
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  45. # [00:43] <tktiddle> is there a html5 tag for marking up tags, as in tag clouds?
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  47. # [00:44] <paul_irish> no
  48. # [00:45] <pyDude> didn't get you,wats tag cloud
  49. # [00:45] <tktiddle> aka word cloud?
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  81. # [01:35] <paul_irish_> btw guys.. divya wilto me are working on a site targeting all them Blue Beanie wearing folk. gonna release it on that day..
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  83. # [01:35] <paul_irish_> if you wanna jump in.. would love your input, commits, words, anything
  84. # [01:35] <paul_irish_> general idea: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/igotmybeanie where you could get involved: https://github.com/Wilto/igotmybeanie/issues
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  110. # [01:54] <JonathanNeal> hi
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  112. # [01:56] <danielfilho> hey JonathanNeal
  113. # [01:56] <danielfilho> :)
  114. # [01:56] <JonathanNeal> heya
  115. # [01:56] <JonathanNeal> what's new?
  116. # [01:57] <danielfilho> igotmybeanie? :)
  117. # [01:57] <danielfilho> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/igotmybeanie // https://github.com/Wilto/igotmybeanie
  118. # [01:57] <paul_irish_> totes
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  120. # [01:58] <JonathanNeal> sounds good
  121. # [01:58] <JonathanNeal> maybe a theme song too :P
  122. # [01:58] <paul_irish_> :)
  123. # [01:58] <danielfilho> neat!
  124. # [01:59] <JonathanNeal> my inspirations for the modernizr song were "viva la vida" and "since you've been gone" ... for this sort of standards supporting i think something acoustic guitar is in order.
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  127. # [02:02] <JonathanNeal> i think helping out with code is more practical though :)
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  221. # [04:31] <Mikeumus_> Can anyone explain to me where this red color is coming from?: http://jsfiddle.net/Mikeumus/FQekD/
  222. # [04:32] <Mikeumus_> I'm starting to lose too much time on trying to figure it out with guess and check.
  223. # [04:32] <Mikeumus_> 8(
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  226. # [04:34] <Mikeumus_> actually I should get to bed, thanks though. Peace. 8)
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  256. # [05:34] <adammw111> Hi. Reading XHR2 specs, it sounds to me like response entity body is supposed to be updated as the download is going (e.g. progress events could use .response to access what has been downloaded so far). Is this correct?
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  266. # [05:56] <sanbar> what are the better/best devlopment environments for HTML5/JavaScript, etc.
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  303. # [06:41] <Moo_O> sanbar: highly opinionated question
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  305. # [06:41] <Moo_O> sanbar: you must state what criteria you consider "best" or important
  306. # [06:42] <Moo_O> sanbar: otherwise the answer is Vim and Emacs
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  308. # [06:42] <tw2113> gedit, deal with it
  309. # [06:42] <tw2113> jk about the latter
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  412. # [09:38] <ryoshu> hi
  413. # [09:38] <ryoshu> is programming web page just in CGI+Perl sane?
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  418. # [09:45] <OzDave_imac> Perl will spit out code for the site so you gotta code it anyway in a modular basis
  419. # [09:45] <OzDave_imac> perl - spits out HTML etc
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  424. # [09:54] <Moo_O> ryoshu: it is not sane, but depending on what you are doing and why could be a good short cut
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  438. # [10:18] <ryoshu> OzDave_imac: Moo_O ok thanks
  439. # [10:19] <OzDave_imac> np
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  455. # [10:58] <ryoshu> I want to make my web site, some pages (or parts of the pages) will be in CGI/Perl. What to use for it? It will be something like blogs with subpages with scripts :)
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  508. # [13:00] <grantg> Heh, you all can play AIFF files natively in browsers now - http://www.grantgalitz.org/wav_player/ was updated to decode AIFF too.
  509. # [13:00] <grantg> decodes in js and streams out via moz audio or web audio
  510. # [13:01] <grantg> Gonna rename that folder, because obviously it does more than wav
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  512. # [13:01] <Moo_O> hey grantg
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  514. # [13:01] <Moo_O> as you seem to be expert
  515. # [13:02] <grantg> lol
  516. # [13:02] <Moo_O> mp3 client-side decoding with javascript for firefox?
  517. # [13:02] <grantg> just bored
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  520. # [13:02] <grantg> Moo_O: Eventually I'll finish my own MP3 decoder, but I'd recommend jsmad
  521. # [13:02] <grantg> I'm building a modular decoder though
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  523. # [13:03] <grantg> has a base decoder object that gives little endian and big endian support and assist to the individual decoders
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  525. # [13:03] <grantg> including things like 24-bit stuff
  526. # [13:03] <grantg> things typed arrays are iffy on alignment still
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  529. # [13:03] <grantg> also no requirement for typed arrays, though used when possible. :D
  530. # [13:04] <grantg> Moo_O: http://www.grantgalitz.org/wav_player/AIFFDecoder.js
  531. # [13:04] <Moo_O> grantg: JS Mad maxes out my CPU though I should have plenty of it :(
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  533. # [13:04] <grantg> I'd probably need testers to check out all the combos
  534. # [13:04] <grantg> Moo_O: heh
  535. # [13:04] <Moo_O> feels more like demo than solid solution for now
  536. # [13:05] <grantg> Moo_O: Which is why I'm doing a carefully done decoder
  537. # [13:05] <grantg> So you can webworker it if you wanted to in a web app
  538. # [13:05] <grantg> I don't right now, but the decoder could be encapsulated
  539. # [13:06] <Moo_O> webwy worrrkers
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  541. # [13:06] <grantg> This was also done so that it's been separated from the audio output libs
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  543. # [13:07] <grantg> It literally gives you a method to get a subarray/slice (depending on typed array support) of the decoded audio
  544. # [13:07] <grantg> you just pass along the js string that contains the data to be decoded
  545. # [13:07] <grantg> into the Decoder object
  546. # [13:08] <grantg> It first looks at the container type, then it dispatches to the correct decoder once enough magic word stuff has been found
  547. # [13:09] <grantg> Moo_O: I'm surprised I didn't have problems with the 80-bit sample rate float found in AIFF
  548. # [13:09] <grantg> seeing as JS does 64-bit doubles
  549. # [13:09] <grantg> heh
  550. # [13:10] <grantg> Actually, I should combine more decoding code into the master Decoder object.
  551. # [13:10] <grantg> Seeing as there's a lot of code shareage
  552. # [13:10] <grantg> </rant>
  553. # [13:11] <grantg> I still need to add more sub-codecs to the AIFF decoder, but it supports the PCM, float32, float64, u-law, and a-law cub-codecs just like WAV
  554. # [13:12] <grantg> Heh, looking at AIFF vs. WAVE, AIFF was done right
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  556. # [13:12] <grantg> WAVE is too iffy on implementing the codecs within
  557. # [13:13] <grantg> AIFF has a clear ID system
  558. # [13:13] <grantg> not just a catch-all "extended" code
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  560. # [13:15] <Moo_O> was AIFF by microsoft?
  561. # [13:15] <grantg> Apple
  562. # [13:15] <grantg> WAVE was microsoft
  563. # [13:15] <Moo_O> explains...
  564. # [13:16] <grantg> well, WAVE was microsoft and lots of independent people adding shit "extensions"
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  566. # [13:18] <grantg> one difference between WAVE and AIFF is how they do 8-bit PCM
  567. # [13:19] <grantg> WAVE is unsigned for 8-bit, while AIFF is two's complement for 8-bit
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  569. # [13:19] <grantg> heh
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  573. # [13:23] <Moo_O> 8-bit samples and Sound Blaster 2.0
  574. # [13:23] <Moo_O> Dr. Schbaitso
  575. # [13:24] <Moo_O> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Sbaitso - well, the top pic matches
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  585. # [13:39] <grantg> holy shit... just found a crazy audacity bug
  586. # [13:39] <grantg> It doesn't follow AIFF spec for AIFF-C
  587. # [13:39] <grantg> for endianness
  588. # [13:40] <grantg> It does "AIFF" for PCM, which is the old style big-endian version
  589. # [13:40] <grantg> but it does "AIFC" for float sub-codecs, which requires little-endian, but audacity encodes as BIG endian
  590. # [13:40] <grantg> #encoderfail
  591. # [13:41] <grantg> opened up a hex editor to double check this
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  596. # [13:45] <grantg> it's big endian header, little endian data on swot
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  622. # [14:42] <bobsie> Not sure if this is the right place, but I have a message box on a web page and I am using JavaScript to bind some action to people pressing the enter key. The issues os I have another button on my page that is for some reason clicked when every the enter key is pressed in a form
  623. # [14:43] <bobsie> Anyway I can stop buttons on my page from being clicked ?
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  625. # [14:44] <bobsie> I tried something is .bind... Key pressed...if e.keycpde==13. Return false
  626. # [14:44] <bobsie> No luck though.
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  628. # [14:53] <Moo_O> bobsie: event.preventDefault()?
  629. # [14:53] <bobsie> How does that work?
  630. # [14:53] <bobsie> Do I put that on the button
  631. # [14:53] <bobsie> Or the keypress action
  632. # [14:53] <Moo_O> bobsie: docs.jquery.org
  633. # [14:54] <bobsie> Will look into it
  634. # [14:54] <bobsie> Thanks
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  652. # [15:09] <bobsie> Okay
  653. # [15:09] <bobsie> What I am doing on my input box is now
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  655. # [15:11] <bobsie> .unbind('keypress keyup').bind('keypress keyup' function(e) {
  656. # [15:11] <bobsie> If e.keycode ==13
  657. # [15:11] <bobsie> e.preventdefault()
  658. # [15:11] <bobsie> / then do my own thing
  659. # [15:11] <bobsie> ..
  660. # [15:11] <bobsie> The issue is my own thing is now being done twice
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  671. # [15:22] <rcaskey> are the various kinks with websockets now fairly ironed out?
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  757. # [17:06] <Conexion> Web programming community, please forgive me for I have sinned. I have used the same ID twice on the same page.
  758. # [17:06] <paul_irish> ?slap Conexion
  759. # [17:06] * bot-t slaps Conexion around a bit with a large trout
  760. # [17:08] <Conexion> xD - Alright, so resolving this. I have two unordered lists that make up the main menu of the web app. The reason there are two is so that I have have 4 menu items on the top row, and two in the second row
  761. # [17:08] <Conexion> I should just have a div surrounding the two unordered lists and refer to them by that ID, yes?
  762. # [17:11] <materialdesigner> are they related to each other?
  763. # [17:11] <materialdesigner> like, should they be sublists?
  764. # [17:11] <materialdesigner> if not, yeah wrap them in something
  765. # [17:12] <Conexion> You make a good point. I should probably just push them down a level and have it as one list
  766. # [17:12] <Conexion> Because they are related
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  786. # [17:53] <jarek> Hello
  787. # [17:53] <jarek> Is it possible to clear the WebKit Inspector console from script?
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  810. # [18:14] <Conexion> console.log('\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n') ;)
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  814. # [18:20] <jarek> I have found something:
  815. # [18:20] <jarek> http://code.google.com/chrome/extensions/trunk/experimental.devtools.console.html
  816. # [18:22] <jarek> no... this just prints messages :/
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  829. # [18:32] <jarek> also, is it possible to configure the console so that it always expends the objects?
  830. # [18:33] <jarek> e.g. after typing "console.log(window)" and pressing enter it just returns collapsed "window" label
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  856. # [19:01] <bitwise_> good questions jarek
  857. # [19:02] <bitwise_> had the same ones and i never found answers, though.
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  859. # [19:02] <paul_irish> file tickets plz
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  861. # [19:04] <bitwise_> k
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  863. # [19:07] <bitwise_> you guys know what window.opener defaults to? seems like ie uses undefined but chrome/webkit uses null
  864. # [19:07] <bitwise_> wondering if there any other variations
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  899. # [19:48] <Pomax> border radius and scrollbars. almost makes me wish for the alternative "scrollbar outside of the content area" from old IEs
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  901. # [19:50] <Conexion> You know what my new favorite hex color is after #800813 ? #7e2. That's a mighty strong green
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  930. # [20:43] <Pomax> great. Chrome is doing its magical cache thing again. changed the file on the server, and even after clearing cache Chrome refuses to actually get the new content
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  940. # [20:52] <Conexion> People are really dramatic on IRC =/
  941. # [20:53] <Pomax> I wouldn't know, how you see me online is how you get me in person.
  942. # [20:53] <Conexion> Oh not you
  943. # [20:53] <Conexion> Sorry I didn't even read your text
  944. # [20:53] <Conexion> I was talking about #html and #css
  945. # [20:53] <Pomax> ah
  946. # [20:54] <Conexion> Like, you try to help someone, and misunderstand one thing, and they start yelling at you and absolutely freaking out
  947. # [20:54] <Conexion> And when you ask them why they're freaking out, they just freak out more
  948. # [20:54] <Pomax> ah yes. lots of experience with that.
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  950. # [20:55] <Pomax> eventually they wear themselves out and go back to the beginning, or part.
  951. # [20:55] <Pomax> but you never know when.
  952. # [20:55] <Conexion> Yeah. And I mean, I'd push them on it, but they are the freaking mods and think they're untouchable =/
  953. # [20:56] <Conexion> Got +q'd by one guy last week because I was trying to help and didn't hear part of the conversation
  954. # [20:56] <Conexion> freaked out and muted me
  955. # [20:56] <Pomax> rationality is a powerful tool. I got an abusive ircop to resign his position of power through rational confrontation a few years ago. it just... takes time.
  956. # [20:56] <Conexion> Yeah, and grats on that
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  986. # [21:49] <JonathanNeal> remysharp: http://sandbox.thewikies.com/temp-html5shim/
  987. # [21:49] <bot-t> (2 hours 21 mins ago) <estellevw> tell jonathanneal IMHO js style sheeting is fine for prototyping, or even a presentation, but not for production work
  988. # [21:49] <JonathanNeal> try that out
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  990. # [21:57] <JonathanNeal> bot-t, tell estellevw, i understand, and thank you for sharing that. i'm curious to know more of what you and others think on the matter given that javascript is so intertwined with ui now (most of "the web" won't work without it, especially ie<9 using <section|article|header|nav|etc>). In light of that, I wonder why so many consider it harmful to complete the leap. On the other hand, a great point I've heard made against javascript
  991. # [21:57] <bot-t> JonathanNeal, Okay.
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