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# Session Start: Tue Nov 22 00:00:00 2011
# Session Ident: #html5
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# [00:20] <techrush> anyone know the channel thats specifically for mobile web dev ?
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# [00:27] <Jon47> i think one of the major goals of html5 is to be accessible by mobile devices, so you can probably just ask your mobile questions here
# [00:28] <tw2113> the goal of web standards is to be accessable from any device by any one
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# [00:28] <techrush> basically i have a mobile site that i've been working on that works great in portrait mode but when the phone is flipped to landscape its kind of off
# [00:28] <tw2113> use media queries
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# [00:30] <techrush> i know if i recode the site to use % instead of px it will just work
# [00:30] <techrush> ill look into media queries thanks
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# [00:34] <divya> BrianBlakely: yo
# [00:35] <BrianBlakely> Hi div
# [00:35] <bot-t> (98 hours 10 mins ago) <divya> tell BrianBlakely I got a node backbone thing running already for that project!
# [00:35] <divya> haha
# [00:35] <divya> :)
# [00:35] <BrianBlakely> ...
# [00:35] <divya> clearly botty did not do its job right!
# [00:35] <BrianBlakely> Sweet
# [00:35] <divya> BrianBlakely: just commented on the issue.
# [00:35] <divya> BrianBlakely: there are some more things that could be done, if you are interested.
# [00:36] <divya> 1. link to instacss or spec deets on each property.
# [00:36] <divya> 2. iframe insert data from caniuse.com for each property.
# [00:36] <divya> 3. remove the code that paul_irish_ wrote for search and use list.js for that.
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# [00:38] <Raynos> http://html5zombo.com/
# [00:39] <Jon47> bout time
# [00:39] <BrianBlakely> divya: Hmm, caniuse has % support data, but I was referring to marketshare data. Like, 60% of users have a browser that supports border-radius
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# [00:40] <divya> BrianBlakely: it has that data too
# [00:40] <BrianBlakely> Nice
# [00:40] <divya> like you can even customize it these days to your domain
# [00:40] <divya> so
# [00:40] <divya> its pretty good.
# [00:40] <divya> there might or might not be an api.
# [00:41] <BrianBlakely> Wow, cool, I never played with this part of the site before
# [00:42] <xonecas> I don't get all the rage vs jquip, I'm not going to use it, but the idea of a modular codebase is not bad
# [00:42] <BrianBlakely> I like the "import statistics" feature quite a bit
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# [00:55] <BrianBlakely> divya: Doesn't look like there would be a way to sort features by public exposure with this approach - aside from screen scraping, which is iffy
# [00:55] <divya> BrianBlakely: yeah cant sort it :/
# [00:56] <divya> BrianBlakely: i guess we can add a 'type' or something in json? so we can gather features by css/svg/ or dom?
# [00:57] <BrianBlakely> That's a good one
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# [01:01] <BrianBlakely> divya: I'll help out with the list.js stuff for now
# [01:02] <divya> k awesome that works BrianBlakely
# [01:02] <BrianBlakely> :)
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# [01:09] <divya> BrianBlakely: can you update this minus the 'support' field? https://github.com/nimbupani/GFS/pull/4
# [01:09] <socialhapy> ★ Pull request on GFS by brianblakely (50m, 57s ago): features.json
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# [01:11] <BrianBlakely> divya: Done
# [01:12] <andrewjbaker> Good lad BrianBlakely.^^
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# [01:12] <divya> pulled!
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# [01:15] <BrianBlakely> you too andrewjbaker… you too
# [01:16] <andrewjbaker> LOL.
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# [02:00] <Aric> some of these Google Slams
# [02:00] <Aric> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt9F7tKcZcU
# [02:00] <Aric> amazing
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# [03:31] <ohhmaar> most popular WYSIWYG editors out there?
# [03:31] <tw2113> ick
# [03:31] <grantg> your browser
# [03:32] <tw2113> your mind
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# [03:33] <grantg> heh
# [03:33] <grantg> notepad->ftp to server->check in browser->profit???
# [03:33] <grantg> or run localhost to skip the ftp
# [03:34] <tw2113> ctrl+s refresh browser
# [03:34] <grantg> or use jsfiddle or some other online editor
# [03:34] <OzDave_imac> emacs
# [03:34] <OzDave_imac> :P
# [03:35] <grantg> The WYSIWYG desktop apps are notorious for having differences from your browser
# [03:35] <grantg> as browsers are always being updated
# [03:35] <grantg> OzDav_imac: I use Notepad++ on Mac personally. :D
# [03:35] <grantg> well, usually
# [03:36] <OzDave_imac> hehe
# [03:36] <grantg> IDEs are too damn slow
# [03:36] <grantg> I like instant loading of my editors. :3
# [03:36] <grantg> Netbeans takes 30s from cold start? fuck that noise...
# [03:37] <grantg> Even if it does mean no real-time syntax checking or function completion. ;_;
# [03:37] <xonecas> VIM > all (just wanted to throw my fanboyism out there)
# [03:37] <grantg> I don't blame ya
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# [03:41] <daleharvey> I have pretty much decided if noone builds the ultimate graphical web based web design tool in 3 months time, I am gonna do it
# [03:42] <grantg> nice
# [03:44] <daleharvey> my side projects have around a 95% failure rate, and this would be the biggest, so I wouldnt hold your breath :P
# [03:44] <grantg> good luck
# [03:44] <grantg> Meanwhile in unrelated politics: http://i.imgur.com/APqit.jpg :S
# [03:46] <grantg> http://i.imgur.com/giAWf.jpg ...quite
# [03:47] <OzDave_imac> salt n Pepper's here!
# [03:47] <OzDave_imac> ahh woosh it!
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# [03:48] <grantg> More pepper spray on the curry please! chop chop. xD
# [03:49] * grantg loves spicy food. :3
# [03:49] <OzDave_imac> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCadcBR95oU
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# [03:50] <grantg> heh
# [03:50] <OzDave_imac> :)
# [03:52] <ohhmaar> grantg, have you used Rapidweaver?
# [03:53] <grantg> nope
# [03:53] <grantg> I tend to stay away from all-in-one stuff
# [03:54] <OzDave_imac> a good find replace tool and any text editor in a storm
# [03:54] <grantg> heh
# [03:55] <OzDave_imac> nvu aptana dreamweaver etc are fluffy
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# [03:59] <grantg> heh
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# [04:05] <paul_irish_> hi BrianBlakely
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# [04:14] <BrianBlakely> Hey paul_irish_
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# [04:15] <grantg> Why the "_" suffix today?
# [04:16] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish_: Hope all is well! btw, talked to Divya, she asked me to kill the list.js tick on GFS
# [04:16] <paul_irish_> boom
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# [04:16] <paul_irish> grantg: normally just an indicator that i'm AFK
# [04:16] <grantg> ok
# [04:16] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely: kill like drop or kill like implement ?
# [04:16] <BrianBlakely> The latter
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# [04:17] <paul_irish> hot
# [04:17] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: Say, did the GA team ever respond to your emails about opening up their usage datas?
# [04:17] <BrianBlakely> Because that would be… good
# [04:19] <paul_irish> v good
# [04:19] <paul_irish> they have not :( i bumped them again last week
# [04:19] <paul_irish> humph
# [04:20] <humph> evening paul. reminding me I need to change my nick, or pinging?
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# [04:20] <paul_irish> hahaha
# [04:21] <paul_irish> neither.
# [04:21] <paul_irish> i was literally using the exclamation and totally forgot its your nick
# [04:21] <humph> it happens
# [04:21] <humph> :)
# [04:21] <paul_irish> :D
# [04:21] <humph> nicknames from shaver don't die quickly
# [04:21] <paul_irish> humph: link to your blog?
# [04:21] <humph> http://vocamus.net/dave/
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# [04:23] <paul_irish> thxx
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# [04:26] <paul_irish> if i'm doing a post of frontend development-ish blogs (also browser dev and web standards) you should read .. with google reader bundles / OPML...
# [04:26] <paul_irish> whats a good name for that post?
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# [04:27] <divya> you already did
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# [04:27] <paul_irish> doing a new one
# [04:28] <paul_irish> in this one i break out browser dev and standards from the rest
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# [04:56] <BrianBlakely> divya: ping
# [04:56] <divya> BrianBlakely: sup
# [04:57] <paul_irish> http://paulirish.com/?p=1370&preview=true&preview_id=1370&public=1&nonce=64e1031dc6
# [04:58] <BrianBlakely> divya: Using list.js has certain implications for the HTML, going to try and change as little as possible, just FYI
# [04:58] <divya> o definitely BrianBlakely i imagine so.
# [04:58] <BrianBlakely> ;)
# [04:59] <tantek> paul_irish, no "frontend-standards+browsers" love for tantek.com? ;)
# [04:59] <paul_irish> ruhroh
# [04:59] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: Whoa, this is cool
# [04:59] <paul_irish> tantek: sry i only includes sites that have a search box
# [05:00] <tantek> noted
# [05:00] <paul_irish> :p
# [05:00] * tantek now has a Thanksgiving holiday project.
# [05:00] <paul_irish> tantek: do you have a feed for like.. long posts and not the firehose?
# [05:01] <tantek> I do - it's not very well documented (hidden in the Planet Mozilla sidebar)
# [05:01] <tantek> I have a feed API for filtering per Activity Streams object type
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# [05:02] <tantek> http://tantek.com/updates.atom?ot=article
# [05:02] <paul_irish> thxthx
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# [05:13] <tantek> my goodness there's a lot of ranting by glazou in that feed aggregation
# [05:13] <JonathanNeal> bot-t: tell remysharp: the htc file solution rewriting the innerHTML kills iframes, so my current work @ http://sandbox.thewikies.com/temp-html5shim/ is actually pretty solid, I think.
# [05:13] <bot-t> JonathanNeal, Okay.
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# [05:13] <paul_irish> tantek: the bundle page is ordered very oddly.
# [05:14] <tantek> clearly I should blog something positive about standards to counteract all the ranting
# [05:14] <tantek> :P
# [05:14] <paul_irish> oh
# [05:14] <paul_irish> oh. actually its because i grabbed a category RSS feed that nobody had ever popped into Reader before so the timestamps are not indexed.
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# [05:47] <paul_irish> hey now.
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# [05:47] <tw2113> sorry
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# [05:50] <divya> jacine: i wanna ask if you have experience with disqus export module
# [05:51] <divya> its the only pain in the ass for me right now. if i can get that fixed, my site will finally be off drupal
# [05:51] <jacine> divya: hey ;) I don't, but I RT'd… I know the author so I can see if he's around.
# [05:51] <OzDave_imac> incoming spam but its a job I am reposting
# [05:51] <OzDave_imac> OzDave_imac
# [05:51] <OzDave_imac> : who needs a remote job?
# [05:51] <OzDave_imac> [2:31PM] OzDave_imac: I just got an offer for html5/css/js medical interactive stuff but too busy at the moment
# [05:51] <OzDave_imac> [2:31PM] OzDave_imac: studio@medical-animations.com
# [05:51] <jacine> divya: aw :(
# [05:51] <OzDave_imac> [2:31PM] OzDave_imac: cross platform requirements it seems
# [05:51] <OzDave_imac> [2:32PM] OzDave_imac: Contact Name : Martin Hale
# [05:51] <OzDave_imac> [2:32PM] OzDave_imac: Animated Biomedical Productions
# [05:51] <OzDave_imac> [2:34PM] OzDave_imac: I should clarify the job wasnt directed to me I caught it in a list
# [05:51] <divya> thnx thnx jacine :))
# [05:51] <jacine> divya: sure ;)
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# [05:52] <OzDave_imac> that might cover someones christmas bills
# [05:53] <divya> jacine: haha but i do want to get away from sql based thingies!
# [05:53] <jacine> divya: I hear ya ;) I use Tumblr myself, so I can't really say shit. haha.
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# [05:53] <divya> hahaha :D
# [05:53] <jacine> LOL
# [05:56] <eggsby> I've been reading the book by a few of the disqus guys, pretty interesting stuff.
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# [06:08] <jacine> divya: it's Drupal 6 right?
# [06:08] <divya> jacine: yes it is!
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# [06:09] <jacine> hey RobLoach!
# [06:09] <jacine> divya: RobLoach is the maintainer of the Disqus module. And he's awesome. :)
# [06:09] <divya> o hai RobLoach!
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# [06:10] <divya> :))
# [06:11] <divya> RobLoach: i was having trouble migrating drupal comments because i had set up my new blog to use disqus_url as an alias but drupal disqus migrate only does with node/id urls
# [06:12] <divya> BrianBlakely: if you are looking for a project to contribute more to…
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# [06:12] <divya> i got one :)
# [06:12] <jacine> haha ;)
# [06:13] <BrianBlakely> Gee divya, I'd love to help you with your drupal project.. but uh… I have cancer!
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# [06:13] <BrianBlakely> Yes...
# [06:13] <divya> hahahahah
# [06:13] <RobLoach> divya: Just responded! http://drupal.org/node/1349010#comment-5275640 ....... You might want to try out 6.x-1.x-dev since there was a complete overhaul of the migration system ;-) . I agree it's a pain though.
# [06:13] <divya> no no actually i got someone.
# [06:14] <divya> RobLoach: HURRAYY!
# [06:14] <jacine> awww :)
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# [06:14] * divya hugs RobLoach too
# [06:15] <RobLoach> Sweetsauce!
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# [06:18] <paul_irish> divya: did you add brian as collab?
# [06:19] <divya> for html5please no
# [06:19] <divya> adding
# [06:20] <paul_irish> BrianBlakely: you're coming into the repo as collab cuz remotes are a pain. :)
# [06:20] <divya> added
# [06:21] <paul_irish> also when you get a chance if you can merge nodebackbone into master that'd be righteous
# [06:21] <paul_irish> bring it on backkkk
# [06:21] <BrianBlakely> paul_irish: excellent, thank ye
# [06:21] <divya> BrianBlakely: yeah feel free to merge your list.js changes too
# [06:22] <paul_irish> boom
# [06:22] <divya> if you have ideas on using a yaml parser you could execute them too
# [06:22] <paul_irish> upstream all the things!!!
# [06:22] <BrianBlakely> divya: list.js stuff is nearly in
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# [06:22] <divya> nice
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# [06:25] <RobLoach> I'm surprised "UPSTREAM ALL THE THINGS!" isn't on the Googles http://duckduckgo.com/?q=upstream+all+the+things+!i
# [06:25] <eggsby> that's not the googles
# [06:25] <divya> googles ≠ Google
# [06:25] <eggsby> I retract my statement
# [06:26] <divya> :)
# [06:26] <eggsby> ddg's bang logic never ceases to amaze me
# [06:26] <divya> RobLoach: in your comment do you mean disqus doesnt give a shit about what url the comment was made at?
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# [06:28] <RobLoach> divya: The Disqus module doesn't care what the URL is. It's takes the thread's context (ie the node) instead.
# [06:28] <divya> RobLoach: ahh but I am going to be using it in another CMS, where I set up the disqus_identifier and url to be the alias
# [06:29] <divya> which is why i suppose I need them and my needs are moar selfish :P
# [06:29] <RobLoach> divya: Ah, does the revamped migration stuff help?
# [06:29] <RobLoach> divya: I know that there was a crazy amount of stuff added.
# [06:30] <RobLoach> Very recently too.
# [06:30] <divya> RobLoach: havent tested yet! i will do so.
# [06:31] <RobLoach> divya: http://disqus.com/admin/tools/migrate/ also gives you a URL mapper that you could put together to map old URLs to new ones.
# [06:31] <divya> ooo
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# [06:32] <divya> RobLoach: ah i could possibly create a file for this too! thanks!
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# [06:32] <RobLoach> The new migration stuff might even generate one for you too ;-) . Mayyyyyyybe.
# [06:32] <RobLoach> haha
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# [10:48] <yamahaalex37> between sylabols in the dictionary
# [10:48] <yamahaalex37> the period hovering in the center
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# [14:17] <lilmikey> hi. is the sessionStorage supported in all browsers? Should I go with it now or use the jQuery version?
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# [14:26] <danielfilho> lilmikey: hi there
# [14:27] <lilmikey> hi
# [14:27] <danielfilho> you can check which browser supports what here: http://caniuse.com
# [14:27] <lilmikey> thanks
# [14:27] <danielfilho> you're welcome :)
# [14:28] <danielfilho> check this out, also: http://code.google.com/p/sessionstorage/
# [14:28] <danielfilho> just in case.
# [14:28] <lilmikey> ok. Ive already seen that one.
# [14:28] <danielfilho> nice :)
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# [14:30] <lilmikey> :)
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# [16:06] <jarek> http://peter.sh/2011/11/cross-fading-css-flexible-box-grid-layout-filters-and-meta-referer/
# [16:06] <jarek> whah, CSS filters are already implemented in WebKit
# [16:07] <jarek> "... grayscale, serpia, invert, hue rotating, saturating, opacity, gamma, drop shadow and blurring effects"
# [16:07] <jarek> that's enough to implement Photoshop clone in HTML5 :P
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# [16:13] <jarek> what's the difference between "opacity: 0.5" and "-webkit-filter: opacity(0.5)"?
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# [16:28] <BigDipper> the data- prefix attars in html5 - will those not work in IE-6 for instance? haven't tested, but was curious - thx
# [16:29] <jarek> BigDipper: it should work on IE6, but you won't be able to access the data with element.dataset.* API
# [16:30] <BigDipper> i see, thank you
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# [16:32] <Trisox> it returns as invalid html :)
# [16:32] <Trisox> thats about it
# [16:32] <Trisox> you can use jquery or any other framework prob for geting the data..
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# [17:10] <xonecas> amazing !!
# [17:12] <xonecas> http://james.padolsey.com/general/beware-of-passion-voids/
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# [19:50] <jakefolio> paul_irish: I just watched your primitives video…..not closing certain tags and no quotes made my head explode *screams close the tag* lol
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# [19:52] <Pomax> started in the XML era? ;)
# [19:52] <jakefolio> started in 1997 ;)
# [19:52] <Pomax> closing tags are so xhtml 1.0 =P
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# [19:53] <Pomax> (that said, while I understand omitting quotes for single words makes sense parser-wise, I do think it looks horrid =)
# [19:54] <jakefolio> Pomax, if I was a xhtml nazi….I would be writing controls="controls" in my HTML5 video ;)
# [19:54] <Pomax> you might go for controls="true" =)
# [19:55] <Pomax> I like controls="true" >_>
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# [19:55] <Pomax> it makes it semantic for computers AND humans >_>
# [19:55] <jakefolio> nope….I'm actually quite alright with just having <video controls autoplay>
# [19:55] <jakefolio> BINARY SOLO.......
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# [19:56] <jakefolio> when developing javascript, I have to have my semicolons
# [19:57] <Pomax> safer to keep them in, because I don't know about you, but I'm not intimate enough with the spec to know those few spots where not having them COMPLETELY WRECKS THINGS.
# [19:59] * Pomax stabs SVG a little
# [19:59] <Pomax> <g transform='translate(1000,0)'> should, reasonably, move elements 1000 units to the right.
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# [20:03] <paul_irish> yeah ASI is REALLY hard.
# [20:03] <paul_irish> much more complex than the quote and closing tag rules
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# [20:05] <jakefolio> no quotes makes me feel dirty all over
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# [20:05] <jakefolio> paul_irish: even though I did like the way you formatted your td's into columns, without closing td
# [20:05] <paul_irish> yeahhh hot rite
# [20:05] <paul_irish> you'll get over your phobia
# [20:05] <paul_irish> it'll happen.
# [20:06] <jakefolio> you want to talk about semi-colon hell? switch between Ruby, PHP and javascript
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# [20:08] <jakefolio> Ruby: "…oops your code failed cause you added a semi-colon", PHP: "……oops your code failed because you didn't add a semi-colon" Javascript: "…..it's cool if you use it or not…..except that one time….either way I'm not judging your inconsistencies"
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# [20:27] <danbeam> anybody know how to detect if a -webkit-transition will actually have an effect? i.e. will actually launch a webkitTransitionEnd?
# [20:29] <Pomax> like that.
# [20:30] <Pomax> test run one before you run the real code. if no event occurs, boo-urns and alternative solution time
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# [20:33] <paul_irish> danbeam: there exists a detect for that.
# [20:33] <paul_irish> its async.
# [20:33] <paul_irish>
# [20:33] <paul_irish> looking for an awesome for the beanie site's Explore section.. https://github.com/h5bp/igotmybeanie/issues/7
# [20:33] <socialhapy> ★ Issue #7 on igotmybeanie, reported by paulirish (1m, 8s ago): Own the `explore` section
# [20:33] <paul_irish> s/awesome/aweome owner
# [20:34] <ciro_nunes> hey, why instead of use ie conditional comments, to remove extra require, use only style.css then ie css hacks?
# [20:34] <tw2113> eck css hacks
# [20:34] <ciro_nunes> request*
# [20:34] <ciro_nunes> tw2113: ?
# [20:35] <Pomax> ciro_nunes, can you rephrase that? =/
# [20:35] <danbeam> paul_irish: where?
# [20:35] <ciro_nunes> Pomax: srry, for my english, let's try again
# [20:35] <paul_irish> somewhere. see paul hayes blog on media query transition something
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# [20:36] <ciro_nunes> Why instead use IE conditional comments, we don't use only one stylesheet then use css hacks for ie?
# [20:36] <ciro_nunes> Doing that we remove extra request
# [20:36] <Pomax> because it's much cleaner.
# [20:36] <danbeam> paul_irish: and will it work for complex cases like -webkit-transform: rotate() scale() translate(); ?
# [20:37] <paul_irish> ciro_nunes: the vogue thing to do is conditional classnames on the <html>
# [20:37] <Pomax> the extra requests only occur for browsers that understand and match the conditional CSS
# [20:37] <tw2113> ciro_nunes http://paulirish.com/2008/conditional-stylesheets-vs-css-hacks-answer-neither/
# [20:37] <Pomax> so if Firefox loads the page, it sees the conditional CSS, and ignores it because it's not IE6, for instance.
# [20:37] <paul_irish> danbeam: you want to hit-test? you can. you'll have to write it though.
# [20:37] <Pomax> that saves bandwidth, and keeps your "this is really bad styling" css well away from your "this is proper css"
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# [20:38] <ciro_nunes> paul_irish: yeah man
# [20:38] <ciro_nunes> tw2113: I saw that
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# [20:39] <tw2113> allows for proper css without hacks and all in 1 stylesheet
# [20:39] <danbeam> paul_irish: I don't want to do intersection, no
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# [20:39] <Pomax> stylesheets are semantic in and of themselves. Any stylesheet you include represents a something.
# [20:39] <paul_irish> i don't know what you're asking for
# [20:39] <danbeam> paul_irish: I just want to see if el.style.WebkitTransform = 'blah'; will actually fire a el.addEventListener('webkitTransitionEnd')
# [20:40] <ciro_nunes> thanks all
# [20:40] <ciro_nunes> :)
# [20:40] <ciro_nunes> srry for my english
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# [20:40] <divya> wont you 'see' only if it fires?
# [20:40] <paul_irish> danbeam: there is a list of transitionable style properties
# [20:40] <divya> how can you 'see' otherwise.
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# [20:40] <paul_irish> in the spec
# [20:40] <danbeam> divya: if it's not going to transition, I need to call a callback right then
# [20:40] <divya> yeah or you need to watch properties changing
# [20:40] <danbeam> paul_irish: that's not the issue
# [20:40] <divya> o yeah you cant
# [20:40] <danbeam> paul_irish: -webkit-transform is transitionable
# [20:41] <Pomax> write a zero second transition?>
# [20:41] <divya> i dont think thats specced yet.
# [20:41] <paul_irish> yes it is.
# [20:41] <danbeam> Pomax: if it's to the same value it doesn't fire a transition
# [20:41] <Pomax> no, but as test it'll work.
# [20:41] <divya> paul_irish: no the idea of triggering a call back when a transition is NOT fired
# [20:41] <Pomax> on page launch do a 0s transition, then if the property is set to the transition value but the event didn't fire, problem.
# [20:42] <divya> basically a transition is cancelled but there is no event associated with it.
# [20:42] <danbeam> ok, tiny bit more context
# [20:42] <danbeam> to move between apps / most visited on Chrome's NTP we use -webkit-transform: translate3d(-1579px, 0, 0);
# [20:42] <danbeam> and to do it animatedly, we add -webkit-transition: -webkit-transform 200ms;
# [20:43] <danbeam> if we have a no-op movement (which we can have)
# [20:43] <danbeam> I'd like to know if there will actually be a transitionEnd
# [20:43] <danbeam> as the method I'm creating has a callback that needs to be fired when you're on the correct page
# [20:43] <Pomax> hmm
# [20:43] <danbeam> so doing a 0s transition doesn't help
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# [20:44] <danbeam> and when you set the .WebkitTransform it modifies the style
# [20:44] <danbeam> so I don't really want to trust that
# [20:44] <danbeam> i.e. .WebkitTransform = 'translate3d(-157px, 0, 0)' -> 'translate3d(-157px, 0px, 0px)'
# [20:44] <Pomax> just a question, because I don't know the setup, why would the noop be implemented as a transition?
# [20:45] <Pomax> would detecting the noop and acting on that instead not make more sense?
# [20:45] <danbeam> well, I might have to not do this
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# [20:45] <danbeam> but it brought up a bigger question
# [20:45] <danbeam> of telling if this was possible for any property, not just this case
# [20:45] <danbeam> I'm really looking for a generic way to tell if a webkitTransitionEnd will fire
# [20:46] <divya> you cant tell IF it would fire, only when it does. i wish there was a case where you can know when it is cancelled.
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# [20:47] <danbeam> divya: can you even cancel?
# [20:47] <divya> danbeam: yes if another transition occurs that causes said cancellation.
# [20:47] <danbeam> lol, that's not a cancel, though, right?
# [20:47] <danbeam> it's just another interpolation on top, ya?
# [20:47] <paul_irish> .bind('webkitTransitionError', ..
# [20:48] <divya> danbeam: no if you have multiple transitions that trigger on various events. one of them cancels the other
# [20:48] <danbeam> paul_irish: does that actually exist?
# [20:48] <paul_irish> not that that exists...
# [20:48] <danbeam> paul_irish: lol, :(
# [20:48] <danbeam> paul_irish: you had my hopes up!
# [20:48] <danbeam> divya: ah
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# [20:50] <danbeam> divya: the closest we've come to programmatically cancelling / affecting transitions is to manually set -webkit-transition-duration: 0; to fast forward to the end (s/-webkit/-o|-moz|-ie?/)
# [20:50] <danbeam> divya: but I guess you can do it the way you mention, as well, didn't know that, cool!
# [20:51] <divya> you could look at some of these transition tests that webkit/ff team wrote to look at some usecases.
# [20:51] <paul_irish> goodidea
# [20:51] * danbeam agrees
# [20:54] * danbeam is tempted to just change to webkitAnimation / key frames instead
# [20:54] <danbeam> it's probably better for my use case - has start/iteration/end
# [20:54] <divya> probably
# [20:54] * danbeam loves living on the cutting (not fully implemented and buggy) edge
# [20:54] <paul_irish> wow oldass browser support tables. http://www.westciv.com/style_master/academy/browser_support/index.html
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# [21:03] <Jon47> I tried implementing a tabpanel type display that does a sideways sliding transition in css transitions
# [21:03] <Jon47> and it was a terrible experience
# [21:03] <danbeam> Jon47: it's mmmmmmmmkay, just quirky
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# [21:04] <Jon47> i wanted each panel's height to be variable, the solution required min-height, max-height, and height to all be set and unset at various intervals, had to make all these callbacks listening to transitionEnd
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# [21:04] <Jon47> it was a real pain in the butt, the jquery solution was a one-liner
# [21:05] <danbeam> Jon47: what did jQuery do differently?
# [21:05] <Jon47> handling the callbacks was much simpler
# [21:06] <Jon47> also animating somethign to height:auto is a snap in jquery, but not so w/ css transitions
# [21:06] <paul_irish> anyone know of a "getting on IRC for newbs" post
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# [21:07] <danbeam> paul_irish: Pidgin or Adium? :P
# [21:07] <paul_irish> like a guide or blog post.
# [21:08] <paul_irish> for NEWBS
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# [21:10] <danbeam> paul_irish: irccloud.com + http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml ?
# [21:10] <paul_irish> basically.
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# [21:11] <Bardell> paul_irish: maybe this will help http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html
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# [21:11] <paul_irish> lol /server command
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# [21:27] <danbeam> paul_irish, divya, Pomax thanks for your help dudes
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# [21:27] <divya> np
# [21:27] <paul_irish> np
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# [21:46] <arkas> i'm modifying html code every time the app loads (based on last saved status i nthe local database) but if this could be done simplier - like updating the file in the cache it'll be great. i'd really appreciate someone's advice on this
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# [21:59] <paul_irish> something about google and HTTPS and overmyheadedness http://www.imperialviolet.org/2011/11/22/forwardsecret.html
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# [22:17] <paul_irish> beanie site staged here http://h5bp.github.com/igotmybeanie/
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# [22:56] <paul_irish> and we're now chatting in #igotmybeanie if you'd like to contribute
# [22:56] <tw2113> ya know what I consider awesome? the fact that we can do slideshow presentations in html and no longer need powerpoint
# [22:57] <paul_irish> or keynote. yes
# [22:57] <paul_irish> though editing slides in html gets annying
# [22:57] <paul_irish> thats why some markdown / html combo is nice
# [22:57] <tw2113> i'm checking out lea verou's CSSS on github
# [22:57] <tw2113> i haven't gotten the markdown bug yet but definitely want to start doing more LESS for project work
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# [23:01] <franksalim> paul_irish: lastweekinhtml5 is in your frontend-standards+browsers bundle?
# [23:01] <paul_irish> hahahaha
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# [23:01] <paul_irish> easter egg :)
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# [23:29] <istvan> hello all - I have a project that has a number of objects on the screen and draws a web of splines to each. The objects are drag-and-drop-able, and as they move the splines need to update. Is it faster to put each object's splines on it's own canvas or re-draw every spline on the page every time an object moves?
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# [23:41] <BrianBlakely> Proven image replacement method without text-indent? IE7 chokes combining text-indent with inline-block (entire block is moved off-screen).
# [23:42] <divya> clip?
# [23:42] <divya> i think we use that in h5bp
# [23:43] <BrianBlakely> That's not a bad idea. I can display a superfluous visual element and a hidden textual one beside it
# [23:43] <BrianBlakely> Thanks Div!
# [23:45] <divya> :)
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