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  114. # [02:27] <hugogee> greets all ;D
  115. # [02:27] <hugogee> I would like to build an html5 site that detects regular and mobiile browsers. Can someone throw me a link with more info? tanx
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  117. # [02:34] <Jon47> hugogee - the paradigm in html5 is not to detect whether the browser is "mobile" or "regular" (whatever that means)
  118. # [02:34] <Jon47> but rather to deliver an experience that works everywhere
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  142. # [03:10] * Topic is 'Ask any question about HTML5 & Friends || HTML5 Spec for Developers: http://developers.whatwg.org || Also: http://html5rocks.com http://diveintohtml5.info http://mzl.la/9giLwR || Channel logs: http://j.mp/cG7UDa'
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  154. # [03:20] <acidjazz> whats an easy way to do a css transition so the background image rotates 180 degrees?
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  162. # [03:46] <acidjazz> why wont my css3 transitions work :(
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  164. # [03:49] <acidjazz> http://pastebin.com/aEtkHCi7
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  170. # [03:58] <sds> html5 document, served as text/html with an img element pointing to a svg file. is it possible to access svg elements from the parent HTML with javascript?
  171. # [03:58] <sds> maybe i should ask in a javascript channel?
  172. # [04:03] <acidjazz> yup
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  175. # [04:09] <JonathanNeal> evenin'
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  181. # [04:28] <Pomax> sds, very easy to replace the img with the actual svg document instead, then it's as manipulable as any other element
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  184. # [04:34] <Pomax> (if your img is in a container of its own, it's a oneliner -- $('imgselector').each(function() { $(this.parentNode).load(this.src); });)
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  188. # [04:38] <sds> Pomax: just god it indeed. haven't pass from jQuery though since i'm just experimenting (and want to hack all the way through it). inserted the svg inline the HTML, served the HTML document as application/xml and added a namespace for the svg part...
  189. # [04:38] <sds> Pomax: still... not sure if i'm still in front of a valid html5 document with that namespace thing...
  190. # [04:40] <Pomax> I'm actually working on something that does svg image loading with <img> to <svg> swapping on img-load right now =P
  191. # [04:40] <sds> Pomax: i'm still confused 'bout handling namespaces in HTML5 served as XML ...
  192. # [04:41] <Pomax> html5 is not XML, so that's easy
  193. # [04:41] <Pomax> you're basically trusting the browser to do the right thing (which it will)
  194. # [04:42] <Pomax> having <img> at page load means html5 validators are happy, then doing a replacement on domready means that as long as your SVG is correct, you can get away with not actually using namespaces. at least, in my experience.
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  200. # [04:43] <Pomax> I just use <svg xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2000/svg' version='1.1' [width/heigh/viewbox things]>...</svg> without any svg: namespace prefixes inside the svg element
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  203. # [04:46] <sds> Pomax: oh! i'll try that. i see where you go with that...
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  205. # [04:50] <Pomax> simplified a little: I use <img src='lalala.svg' onload='replaceSVG(this)'> with replaceSVG a replacing function that makes sure the svg image ends up the same size as the <img> it replaces,
  206. # [04:50] <Pomax> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1387883
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  208. # [04:56] <Pomax> heh... this.src should be source.src
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  220. # [05:12] <acidjazz> is it possibel to box-shadow just the bottom of a div?
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  226. # [05:21] <sds> Pomax: when i remove the "xml" stuff... the javascript isn't interpreted anymore and juste outputed to the viewport ... any hint?
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  231. # [05:30] <sds> Pomax: with inline svg... do you serve you file as text/html or application/xml?
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  246. # [06:04] <BrianBlakely1> You must be fucking kidding me
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  248. # [06:04] <BrianBlakely> Android enforces a minimum font size of 8px?!?
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  258. # [06:51] <Pomax> sds, the request for it is fulfilled as image/svg+xml
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  261. # [07:03] <BrianBlakely> Oh man
  262. # [07:03] <BrianBlakely> Thankfully -webkit-text-size-adjust: none; kills Android's minimum font size
  263. # [07:03] <BrianBlakely> I can continue to use rem for dimensions
  264. # [07:04] <BrianBlakely> le sigh
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  294. # [08:14] <JonathanNeal> Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!
  295. # [08:15] <shwetank> you too JonathanNeal! :)
  296. # [08:16] <JonathanNeal> See you later!
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  298. # [08:17] <shwetank> cheers
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  300. # [08:26] <mike5w3c> paul_irish: roc's blog might make a good addition to your frontend-standards+browsers feed
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  383. # [10:43] <Hopsy> hey, does anyone know an html5 graphic application
  384. # [10:44] <Hopsy> something like that
  385. # [10:44] <moo-_-> Hopsy: like for drawing?
  386. # [10:44] <Hopsy> yes
  387. # [10:44] <moo-_-> I have seen, but can't remember the name
  388. # [10:44] <Hopsy> well, to create graphs
  389. # [10:44] <moo-_-> aha. you mean diagrams?
  390. # [10:45] <Hopsy> I know sencha is rly popular
  391. # [10:45] <Hopsy> http://www.sencha.com/
  392. # [10:46] <shwetank> I was about to point you to http://muro.deviantart.com/ but then you said graphs ... RaphealJS would be good to check out for that
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  394. # [10:48] <shwetank> more specifically http://g.raphaeljs.com/
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  486. # [14:42] <moo-_-> are there tools to "webify" existing true type fonts so that one could use it on the HTML in xbrowser friendly manner?
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  488. # [14:43] <Echoes2> moo-_-: like this:? http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fontface/generator
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  491. # [14:51] <moo-_-> Echoes2: exactly
  492. # [14:51] <moo-_-> Echoes2: you beat google 100-0 ^_^
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  534. # [16:57] <Conexion> Happy Turkey Day all
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  542. # [17:06] <jarek> Hello
  543. # [17:07] <jarek> How can I iterate over both enumerable and non-enumerable object properties?
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  545. # [17:07] <jarek> "for (var i in object)" skips non-enumerable properties
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  571. # [18:05] <TeddyMurray> hey what's the best place to learn html5?
  572. # [18:08] <jarek__> TeddyMurray: depends on what you mean by html5
  573. # [18:08] <jarek__> TeddyMurray: Mozilla Developer Network has best resources
  574. # [18:08] <TeddyMurray> im not sure, i guess the new tags?
  575. # [18:09] <jarek__> TeddyMurray: http://developers.whatwg.org/
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  577. # [18:09] <TeddyMurray> thanks!
  578. # [18:09] <roger_padactor> hello. If i have a video tag and the browser doesn't support it does it use the tag I put inside it? maybe something that uses flash?
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  613. # [19:04] <Conexion> Yup, that's probably what you'll want to do
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  625. # [19:27] <roger_padactor> Conexion: you answering my question?
  626. # [19:29] <Conexion> roger_padactor: Yes, sorry about that. It's generally accepted that you use the tag, then inside of it, include alternate code to execute if the browser doesn't support it. Though I'd consider using a library like Modernizr
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  628. # [19:32] <roger_padactor> Modernizr. yeah it doesn't tell you what they are using but there are other ways. Ill give it a shot
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  632. # [19:36] <Conexion> roger_padactor: It will tell you if they support that tag or not, and that's all that should matter. :P
  633. # [19:36] <roger_padactor> yeah. thanks
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  654. # [20:19] <Pomax> alright. pop quiz time. When IE9 renders things identical to Chrome and Firefox, except for some reason ajax loading on the same domain isn't happening, and it shows no errors in its debugger, how do you find out what's wrong.
  655. # [20:19] <Pomax> to be more specific, *certain* ajax loads. most work, but the most pivotal (of course) does nothing.
  656. # [20:20] <Pomax> is it console logging time?
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  666. # [20:25] <moo-_-> Pomax: it's time to to wave chicken in the moonlight and stick needles to steveb voodoo doll
  667. # [20:26] <Pomax> he's the main reason I read little microsoft news.
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  669. # [20:26] <Pomax> getting at least a normal looking spokesperson and sitting back in an office like the rich bastard you are, is the right thing to do.
  670. # [20:26] <Pomax> although that doesn't quite help in problem solving of course. know of any extended IE9 debug tools?
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  672. # [20:30] <thatryan> what do you guys use for RSS reading?
  673. # [20:30] <moo-_-> google.com/reader
  674. # [20:31] <moo-_-> and I read a lot :)
  675. # [20:31] <moo-_-> google reader is nice that it works on every device and correctly marks posts readed still
  676. # [20:31] <moo-_-> and I use it on mobile, desktop and tablet
  677. # [20:31] <thatryan> how is the tablet version?
  678. # [20:33] <moo-_-> it's same as mobile
  679. # [20:33] <moo-_-> for iPad you can get various apps with reader integration
  680. # [20:33] <moo-_-> I have been using MobileRSS
  681. # [20:34] <moo-_-> the biggest benefit is that it cheats and pulls the whole article w/ads into the reader when possible
  682. # [20:34] <moo-_-> without ads, that's it
  683. # [20:34] <moo-_-> some kind of magic to extract #content div from the article
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  687. # [20:37] <danielfilho> moo-_-: I use Reeder for iPad. It's amazing :)
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  689. # [20:40] <moo-_-> From your 255 subscriptions, over the last 30 days you read 1,561 items, clicked 4 items, starred 2 items, and emailed 0 items.
  690. # [20:40] <moo-_-> Since January 8, 2008 you have read a total of 300,000+ items.
  691. # [20:40] <moo-_-> I am junkie, I think :D
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  697. # [20:46] <thatryan> lol, perhaps :)
  698. # [20:46] <thatryan> where do you see stats?
  699. # [20:47] <Pomax> turns out IE9 does not like sending unicode data at all, and hardcore requires encodeURI()
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  707. # [20:52] <moo-_-> thatryan: in trends
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  718. # [21:17] <sephr> why do <iframe sandbox="allow-same-origin"> documents have no contentWindow/defaultView?
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  720. # [21:18] <sephr> there are important methods like postMessage that I can no longer use due to this
  721. # [21:18] <sephr> and the view's getComputedStyle (though the top view's getComputedStyle works fine, but I'm not sure it needs to spec-wise)
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  726. # [21:23] <Pomax> shim it.
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  729. # [21:30] <Pomax> sephr: I can't even get simple javascript to execute in a sandboxed iframe.
  730. # [21:31] <Pomax> like document.write() or console.log
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  733. # [21:35] <sephr> Pomax: well you'd need allow-scripts for that
  734. # [21:35] <sephr> but I mean from the host
  735. # [21:35] <sephr> I can access contentDocument when I have allow-same-origin but I can't access contentWindow
  736. # [21:35] <sephr> that's quite arbitrary
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  741. # [21:45] <Pomax> hm, wouldn't contentWindow allow you to jump out of the sandbox, though?
  742. # [21:45] <Pomax> you could go to window, then to another iframe that is not same-origin sandboxed
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  749. # [21:54] <Pomax> hm, is transform not a valid CSS property for SVG?
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  751. # [21:55] <Pomax> it seems to only work as element attribute rather than as CSS property in a class
  752. # [21:57] <Pomax> I guess http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/styling.html#SVGStylingProperties answers my question. guess I'll have to do client-side rewriting to save all that bandwidth
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  758. # [22:01] <Jayflux> whats the best video extensions for using <video> in html5?
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  760. # [22:06] <sephr> Pomax: contentWindow is a property of the iframe
  761. # [22:06] <sephr> anyways scripts aren't even enabled so it wouldn't be dangerous
  762. # [22:07] <sephr> and if scripts are enabled, top and parent can just be blocked
  763. # [22:07] <sephr> which is what I thought was supposed to happen
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  768. # [22:16] <moo-_-> I want <audio> player to start playback in a certain position
  769. # [22:16] <moo-_-> after which event I can set currentTime so it is not reset when play is pressed?
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  784. # [22:44] <Jayflux> anyone been using the <video> tag much around here
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  788. # [22:48] <Pomax> nice. Opera fires an onerror event when you load an svg image using <img>, even when the image loads correctly. And the event is identical to the event generated when the src link cannot be resolved O_o
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  812. # [23:15] <mike5w3c> paul_irish now please get the feds off my back about my freedom plants
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