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- # [02:29] <Orbitrix> anyone wana see a pic of my penis done in CSS?
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- # [03:21] <k_89> hey ... where can i find a list of mobile browsers which support html5 local storage ... mozilla's page on it doesn't have a list for mobile browsers
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- # [04:52] <alex87> is there a way to display an element when a html5 form doesn't validate? does this trigger a javascript event?
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- # [05:03] <nimbu> alex87: you can do html5 validation per element and if the element is after the invalid element you could use ::invalid ~ element {display: block; } to show
- # [05:04] <alex87> nimbu: ah ok. i just have one element to display (after all form elements), so i'll give it a try
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- # [05:48] <Guest41902> help
- # [05:48] <Guest41902> in a content editable div,
- # [05:48] <Guest41902> if the user types something like <span> <div>, it may break the html validity
- # [05:48] <Guest41902> and i can't do .textContent to get user input values
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- # [05:53] <m0> Hey everyone, when I have a base64 image, is the only way loading it into a canvas by loading it in an image first and then callign drawImage? I don't see a method for base64 loading.
- # [05:55] <m0> Never mind, I am asking the wrong question.
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- # [05:56] <m0> Sorry for the disturbance :)
- # [05:59] <russfrank> Guest41902: I don't see what the problem is. it seems like getting the user input values is fine, regardless of what tags are entered
- # [05:59] <russfrank> http://jsfiddle.net/2qRY3/
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- # [08:45] <gerard_> Hi
- # [08:45] <gerard_> e
- # [08:45] <gerard_> excuse me for my poor english
- # [08:46] <gerard_> exists some die or tool for create native apps with html5 & CSS3?
- # [08:46] <gerard_> I want a traditional application for desktop
- # [08:46] <gerard_> but could work for internet too
- # [08:46] <gerard_> o mobile devices
- # [08:47] <gerard_> *or mobile devices
- # [08:47] <prurigro> gerard_:gtk3?
- # [08:47] <gerard_> gtk3?
- # [08:48] <gerard_> well, but that is html?
- # [08:48] <prurigro> its a gui toolkit for the desktop
- # [08:48] <prurigro> that has the ability to output to html5
- # [08:48] <prurigro> if your browser supports websocks
- # [08:49] <gerard_> then, the code in a browser is html??
- # [08:49] <prurigro> yup
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- # [08:49] <prurigro> and on your desktop is c, or c++ or what have you
- # [08:50] <gerard_> I don't like C, uhmm
- # [08:50] <prurigro> http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2010/11/23/gtk3-vs-html5/
- # [08:50] <prurigro> well the backend driving the application
- # [08:50] <prurigro> are you talking about coding/scripting your own desktop?
- # [08:51] <prurigro> or just having desktop apps that already exist available through a web browser?
- # [08:51] <gerard_> is possible build gtk3 apps with another language?
- # [08:51] <gerard_> exists tools for develop GUI on gtk3?
- # [08:52] <gerard_> then the road could be inverse?
- # [08:52] <prurigro> you can make gtk3 apps using bash script, but I'm not sure if those render in html5
- # [08:52] <gerard_> create the web application and later use for desktop?
- # [08:52] <prurigro> its actually just drawing to html5
- # [08:52] <prurigro> using canvas
- # [08:52] <prurigro> I believe
- # [08:52] <gerard_> ahhh, wao
- # [08:53] <prurigro> if you wanna write your own stuff tho
- # [08:53] <prurigro> why not jquery-ui?
- # [08:53] <prurigro> that's a pretty good interface toolkit, if you're more comfortable in html and javascript
- # [08:54] <gerard_> that is a good start point
- # [08:55] <prurigro> have you already started at this point?
- # [08:56] <gerard_> no, I want say see gtk3 could be a good start point
- # [08:56] <prurigro> ohh, touche
- # [08:56] <gerard_> my english is very poor :D
- # [08:56] <gerard_> excuse me
- # [08:56] <prurigro> well there are already a bunch of apps for gtk3, as an advantage
- # [08:56] <prurigro> and haha, I hadn't actually noticed, so it can't be that bad
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- # [09:49] <Guest41902> russfrank: thanks!!!
- # [09:49] <Guest41902> what's this jsfiddle thing??
- # [09:49] <Guest41902> seems very useful :D
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- # [09:59] <dr0id> some magical wands
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- # [10:41] <Guest41902> dr0id: help
- # [10:42] <Guest41902> should we use html 4 or xhtml ?
- # [10:43] <tw2113> html5 dude
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- # [10:44] <dr0id> xhtml transitional
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- # [10:45] <Guest41902> i remember there's been a long time people support html4 over xhtml
- # [10:45] <Guest41902> it's changed now?
- # [10:46] <m0> Anyone a Canvas expert?
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- # [10:47] <m0> I am having this issue, I create a canvas and append it to the screen, and I see my drawing. But when I get hte dataURL and place it in an image, it doesn't work.
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- # [12:30] <o3u> hi, i'm trying to play 2 videos consecutively with html5, here's a scrap of what im doing @ http://pastebin.com/12HpL0aD it just stops after playing the first video. what am i doing wrong?
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- # [20:33] <tw2113> especially in some cases involving json
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- # [20:52] <intellilogic> I wanted to implement an alternative in my code for SVGs, so I used this:
- # [20:52] <intellilogic> <switch><ref type="image/svg+xml" src="doc/ADF_Logical_Model.svg" /><img src="doc/ADF_Logical_Model.png" /></switch>
- # [20:52] <intellilogic> My browser supports SVG and I still see the PNG ..
- # [20:54] <intellilogic> FF8
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- # [20:59] <Wolfr> hey guys, recently made this presentation and seems to strike a chord with the web development community so I wanted to hustle and share this here too:
- # [20:59] <Wolfr> http://www.slideshare.net/Wolfr/design-for-developersonlineversionlong
- # [20:59] <Wolfr> it's about design for developers
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- # [21:00] <Wolfr> basically teaching UI design as a set of rules, taking some shortcuts, enabling developers to create better designs without the intervention of a dedicated designer
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- # [21:08] <Pomax> intellilogic, where'd you get the <switch> element?
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- # [21:10] <intellilogic> Some googling
- # [21:10] <intellilogic> it doesn't work, neither does anything else
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- # [21:11] <Pomax> it's not in HTML5, so that might be a start =/
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- # [21:12] <intellilogic> I have this for flash, I want something for SVG: http://pastebin.com/cT3AFe0m
- # [21:12] <Pomax> but, any HTML5 browser supports SVG, as one of the deals with HTML5 is that it supports MathML and SVG as part of the document.
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- # [21:15] <intellilogic> I don't think ipad can see it
- # [21:15] <Pomax> got an ipad handy?
- # [21:15] <intellilogic> no :(
- # [21:15] <moo-_-> I have
- # [21:15] <intellilogic> Nor sim setup
- # [21:15] <moo-_-> what you want me to see?
- # [21:15] <moo-_-> :)
- # [21:15] <intellilogic> See if you can view any SVG
- # [21:15] <Pomax> load up http://what.inthefuck.com/test/?searchterm=eagle
- # [21:15] <intellilogic> or mine
- # [21:16] <Pomax> click on the first hit
- # [21:16] <Pomax> see if it loads the "images" on the right
- # [21:16] <Pomax> if it does, the ipad loves SVG
- # [21:16] <intellilogic> http://rhaydenenterprises.com/AppDataFacilitator/doc/ADF_Logical_Model.svg
- # [21:16] <moo-_-> initializing monkey testnow
- # [21:17] <intellilogic> My SVG generated from visio diagram
- # [21:17] <intellilogic> that might be my problem
- # [21:17] <Pomax> depends on how much it breaks?
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- # [21:17] <Pomax> so many programs generating insane SVG.
- # [21:17] <Pomax> it's like old versions of DreamWeaver and HTML.
- # [21:18] <moo-_-> Pomax: I see images neiter on FF9 not iPad
- # [21:18] <moo-_-> the link is:
- # [21:18] <moo-_-> golden eagle (aquila chrysaetos).
- # [21:18] <intellilogic> My current SVG insertion code: <?=include('doc/ADF_Logical_Model.svg')?> (NOT HTML5!!!!)
- # [21:19] <Pomax> moo, does it just not show them at all, but does show additional details?
- # [21:19] <Pomax> so fdesktop FF
- # [21:19] <moo-_-> I don't see any images
- # [21:19] <Pomax> (so far desktop FF worked everywhere I tested)
- # [21:19] <moo-_-> just the (kanji?) letters
- # [21:19] <Pomax> interesting
- # [21:20] <Pomax> I need someone to buy me an iPad for more testing =P
- # [21:22] <Pomax> but it does mean that SVG is a problem indeed. intellilogic, you can use some JS to swap out images for svg?
- # [21:22] <Pomax> it's what I do on that search site, although it loads .svg as <img> and then replaces it with the loaded <svg> element instead. which I guess for iPad I'll have to change to loading .gif first
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- # [21:28] <intellilogic> Pomax: To have faith in JS to go where SVG won't?!
- # [21:28] <intellilogic> Ugh
- # [21:29] <Pomax> yes? things that don't implement SVG most certainly implement JS
- # [21:30] <Pomax> even when you can't rely on HTML5, you can still rely on JS
- # [21:30] <Pomax> the only tough crowd is the firefox with noscript crowd, and they're expert enough to know when they're blocking scripts.
- # [21:31] <moo-_-> always bet on JS
- # [21:33] <tw2113> and those with it disabled, let them suffer
- # [21:33] <Pomax> I prefer to think of it "and those with it disabled, let them exercise their free will"
- # [21:34] <moo-_-> let them enjoy their web 1.0
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- # [21:35] <Pomax> that said, I don't want to scare them away either, so I like to make sure they get the bare minimum of a site if they have it turned off.
- # [21:35] <Pomax> I'd lie if I said I didn't use NoScript myself.
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- # [21:55] <DavidBradbury> I think it depends on what kind of site you're doing. For example, I had a project that required the use of Canvas or Flash. If you didn't have that, well, you can't use it
- # [21:56] <DavidBradbury> Other times, there really is no excuse to not at least have the data they may want access to avaliable
- # [21:56] <DavidBradbury> to access*
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- # [22:21] <k_89> ??
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- # [22:24] <moo-_-> if you don't count in really low end browsers
- # [22:24] <k_89> moo-_-, yeah .. not counting them .. i wasn't able to find a comprehensive list of sorts anywhere .. thanks
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- # [22:28] <moo-_-> any idea how often Safaris are release?
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- # [23:54] <xonecas> https://github.com/rwldrn/idiomatic.js
- # [23:54] <xonecas> gold right there!!
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The end :)